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posted on December 27, 2002

Borg: AS WE SAY GOOD-BYE TO 2002 AND BRING IN THE NEW YEAR, WE REVIEW THE PAST YEAR'S TOP NEWS. IOWA POLITICAL REPORTERS PROJECT THE CARRYOVER EFFECTS ON 2003 ON THIS EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS."

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Borg: HAPPY HOLIDAYS FROM ALL OF US HERE AT IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION AND FROM OUR "IOWA PRESS" PANELISTS AND PRODUCTION CREW. WELL, EACH YEAR AT THIS TIME WE GATHER AT THIS "IOWA PRESS" TABLE TO REFLECT ON THE TOP NEWS EVENTS OF THE OLD YEAR AND DETERMINE WHICH WILL AFFECT THE NEW YEAR. THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THE GENERAL ELECTION OF TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 8 -- OR I SHOULD SAY 5, ISN'T IT; THE ONGOING WAR ON TERRORISM; AND THE SHADOW OF MILITARY CONFLICT WITH IRAQ ARE THE TOP NEWS EVENTS OF THE PAST TWELVE MONTHS. THE STRONG REPUBLICAN SHOWING NATIONWIDE TOPPED THE HEADLINES LESS THAN TWO MONTHS AGO, AND THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT WILL INFLUENCE NOT ONLY NEXT YEAR BUT HAVE EVEN LONGER POTENTIAL EFFECTS. WELL, JOINING US TO REVIEW AND PREDICT AT THE SAME TIME ARE "DES MOINES REGISTER" POLITICAL COLUMNIST DAVID YEPSEN, "RADIO IOWA" NEWS DIRECTOR KAY HENDERSON, "ASSOCIATED PRESS" SENIOR POLITICAL WRITER MIKE GLOVER; AND "LEE NEWSPAPER" BUREAU CHIEF IN DES MOINES KATHIE OBRADOVICH. KATHIE, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU, FIRST OF ALL, IT SEEMED AS YOU LOOK BACK ON THAT ELECTION I SAID WAS A MAJOR EVENT, THERE REALLY WASN'T MUCH CHANGE. BUT, YOU KNOW, A FEW WEEKS HAVE PASSED NOW SINCE THAT ELECTION. IS THAT ASSESSMENT STILL RIGHT OR ARE THERE SOME THINGS IN PLACE THAT YOU SEE, WELL, THINGS ARE GOING TO CHANGE?

Obradovich: WELL, DEAN, YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE WASN'T MUCH CHANGE AS FAR AS THE PEOPLE THAT WE ELECTED, ESPECIALLY AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET. TOM VILSACK WILL BE COMING BACK. REPUBLICANS REMAIN IN CONTROL OF THE IOWA STATEHOUSE. AND YET GOVERNOR VILSACK COMES BACK WITH A MESSAGE FROM VOTERS THAT THEY WANT SOME CHANGE, AND HE STARTS RESHUFFLING STATE GOVERNMENT, HE'S CHANGING TOP DEPARTMENT HEADS, AND I THINK THAT HE'S CLEARLY LOOKING TO SHAKE THINGS UP IN HIS SECOND TERM. LEGISLATIVE LEADERS, PRETTY MUCH ALL THE SAME FACES AT THE TOP. BUT THEY'VE GOT AT LEAST 40 NEW LEGISLATORS TO WORK WITH, AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY STAND ON ALL THOSE ISSUES. SO I THINK THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN MOTION THAT WE WILL SEE SOME CHANGE THIS NEXT YEAR.

Glover: THE BEST OF TIMES, THE WORST OF TIMES.

Borg: WHY DO YOU SAY THAT?

Glover: BECAUSE NOTHING CHANGED AND EVERYTHING CHANGED, DEAN. WE HAD AN ELECTION AND PRETTY MUCH ALL THE INCUMBENTS WHO RAN GOT REELECTED, BUT THAT WAS A MESSAGE IN AND OF ITSELF. YOU HAD A REALLY NASTY, NEGATIVE, PARTISAN TENOR UP AT THE STATEHOUSE. A LOT OF THAT IS PROBABLY GOING TO GO AWAY BECAUSE TOM VILSACK WON A SECOND TERM PRETTY HANDILY AND ISN'T GOING TO RUN FOR A THIRD TERM. AND REPUBLICANS, IF THEY WANT TO START BUILDING A CASE TO KEEP THE LEGISLATURE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT SOME WAY TO WORK WITH HIM. AND IF HE WANTS TO START BUILDING A LEGACY, HE HAS TO FIGURE OUT SOME WAY TO START WORKING WITH THEM. SO NOTHING CHANGED, BUT EVERYTHING CHANGED.

Borg: KAY, I'M INTERESTED IN YOUR OPINION ON THAT BASIC QUESTION. IT SEEMED LIKE NOTHING CHANGED, BUT MIKE SAID, "YEAH, EVERYTHING DID CHANGE."

Henderson: EVERYTHING CHANGED. AND I THINK IN TERMS OF POLICY DEVELOPMENT, IOWANS MAY HAVE CHOSEN PRETTY WISELY. IF THEY HAD CHOSEN A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR AND A REPUBLICAN LED LEGISLATURE, THEY REALLY WOULD HAVE GALLOPED OFF IN ONE DIRECTION. IF THEY HAD GIVEN VILSACK REELECTION AND THEN GIVEN HIM A DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATURE, THEY MIGHT HAVE GALLOPED IN THE OTHER DIRECTION. NOW WE'RE GETTING TO WHERE PRETTY MUCH MOST EVERYBODY IS DOWN THE MIDDLE. THEY'LL COME UP WITH SOME COMPROMISES, BUT THEY'LL LISTEN TO BOTH SIDES AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE. AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE IOWANS WANT IT TO BE.

Yepsen: IT'S BEEN SAID BEFORE, DEAN, BUT I THINK IT BEARS REPEATING THAT THIS IS THE THIRD TIME IOWA VOTERS HAVE SAID, YEAH, WE WANT A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR AND A REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE. WHAT'S NEW HERE IS THAT FINALLY THE DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR AND THE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE GOT IT. AND SO I THINK THERE IS A SENSE OF BEHAVING, BUT I THINK WHERE '03 IS GOING TO BE A VERY INTERESTING YEAR COMING OUT OF THE '02 ELECTION, AND THAT IS THIS: THERE'S A WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY HERE. AS WE'VE MENTIONED, GOVERNOR VILSACK IS NOT SEEKING REELECTION, SO REPUBLICANS HAVE NO REASON TO PLAY GAMES WITH HIM. AND YET THEY'RE NOT READY TO GO INTO THEIR '04 REELECTION MODE AS LEGISLATORS. SO HERE YOU HAVE 2003, IT IS A YEAR WHEN EVERYBODY SURVIVED, THEY KNOW THEY NEED TO REACH COMPROMISES, AND THEY CAN HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY. AND THE RESULT OF WHICH HAS BEEN THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD FEELING, THERE'S A LOT OF ENERGY UP THERE WITH THE NEWCOMERS, A REAL DESIRE ON THE PART OF LAWMAKERS TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING. AND I THINK THE BEST EXAMPLE WAS STEWART IVERSON WAKING EVERYBODY UP IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BY SAYING HE'D PUT EVERYTHING ON THE TABLE, INCLUDING THE OLD MONEYS AND CREDITS TAX. I MEAN, YOU COULD HEAR REPUBLICANS FALLING OUT OF THEIR CHAIR AT THE NOTION THAT IDEA WAS SOMEHOW ON THE TABLE. WELL, IT'S NOT BUT IT DID SIGNAL, DEAN, THAT'S IT'S A NEW BALL GAME UP THERE. AND I THINK AS A RESULT, WE'RE GOING TO SEE A REWRITE OF THE INCOME TAX LAW IN IOWA.

Borg: YOU COVERED A LOT OF THINGS THERE, AND I WANT TO GET BACK AND COVER THEM AS WE GO ALONG THE DISCUSSION. BUT, KAY, LET'S START OUT HERE WITH THE TWO TOMS, VILSACK AND HARKIN. BOTH WON PRETTY COMFORTABLY IN THEIR RACES. NOW, WHAT ARE THEIR ROLES AND HOW IS THAT GOING TO -- WHAT THEY DID LAST MONTH, GOING TO INFLUENCE 2003 AND BEYOND?

Henderson: WELL, OF COURSE, THEY'RE THE LEADERS OF THE IOWA DEMOCRATIC PARTY, AND IN SOME RESPECTS, THEY HAVE BECOME PART OF A NATIONAL DEBATE ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC PARTY. THESE TWO ELECTIONS OF TOM VILSACK AND TOM HARKIN WERE KIND OF BRIGHT SPOTS ON A LOW NIGHT FOR DEMOCRATS NATIONALLY. AND SO AS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY DECIDES WHAT ITS SOUL IS, AS IT DECIDES WHETHER IT STILL NEEDS TO MAINTAIN THE CENTRIST MESSAGE THAT WAS SO SUCCESSFUL FOR BILL CLINTON OR IF, AS OTHERS SUGGEST, IT NEEDS TO BECOME MORE LIBERAL AND RESPOND TO THAT WING OF THE PARTY AND REJUVENATE ITSELF IN THAT MANNER, THOSE TWO FOLKS ARE GOING TO BE PARTICIPATING IN THAT DEBATE. THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT IT IS WHILE TOM VILSACK HAS SORT OF BEEN SEEN AS MORE A PART OF THAT LIBERAL WING OF THE PARTY -- HE GOVERNS IN THE MIDDLE -- AND TOM HARKIN WILL BE A PART OF THE DEBATE THAT WILL BE TRYING PULL THE PARTY TO THE OTHER --

Glover: THEY'LL BOTH BE NATIONAL PLAYERS FROM SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES. ONE, TOM HARKIN IS MAKING THE CASE THAT DEMOCRATS WHO ENGAGED PRESIDENT BUSH IN THE LAST ELECTION DID PRETTY WELL. IF YOU LOOK AT TOM HARKIN'S CAMPAIGN FROM HIS POINT OF VIEW, HE RAN CAMPAIGNS SAYING THAT HIS OPPONENT, GREG GANSKE, FAVORED A TAX CUT FOR THE RICH, THE RATE OF SOCIAL SECURITY, AND HELPED ONLY THE TOP ONE PERCENT. A DIRECT ASSAULT ON PRESIDENT BUSH ONE-HANDEDLY. ANOTHER EXAMPLE HE USES: IF YOU LOOK NORTH TO MINNESOTA BEFORE PAUL WELLSTONE WAS KILLED, HE WAS STARTING TO AIR OUT THAT RACE BY DIRECTLY CHALLENGING BUSH. SO HE'S GOING TO BE A NATIONAL PLAYER ARGUING THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY NEEDS TO DISTINGUISH ITSELF FROM GEORGE BUSH BY MOVING TO THE LEFT AND TAKING ON A SITTING PRESIDENT. TOM HARKIN -- OR TOM VILSACK WILL BE IN A VERY INTERESTING SITUATION BECAUSE HE'LL BE THE SITTING DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR WHEN THE DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS CAMPAIGN PLAYS OUT. HE'LL BE THE GUY WHO'S PLAYING THE REFEREE, WHO'S SETTING THE TENOR, WHO'S SETTING THE TONE, SAYING WHAT HE WANTS TO HEAR FROM THOSE CANDIDATES. HE'LL HAVE A VERY LARGE ROLE IN SHAPING THE NEXT DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN DEBATE AGENDA.

Obradovich: AND ANOTHER THING THAT GOVERNOR VILSACK HAS ALREADY STARTED TO HELP SHAPE THAT DEBATE, BECAUSE HE IS, WITH HIS ROLE IN THE NATIONAL GOVERNORS ASSOCIATION AND DURING THE CAMPAIGN, GONE AFTER FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ON THINGS THAT THEY THINK THE STATES NEED, LIKE MORE MONEY FOR MEDICAID, MORE MONEY FOR MEDICARE, A BETTER REIMBURSEMENT RATE, HOMELAND SECURITY FUNDING. AND HE'S GOT THIS LIST OF THINGS THAT HE THINKS THAT CONGRESS HAS DROPPED THE BALL ON AS FAR AS HELPING STATES OUT. HE'S GOING TO PURSUE THAT AGENDA THROUGH THE CAUCUSES.

Henderson: AND THE OTHER BENEFIT FOR VILSACK IS HE DOESN'T HAVE AS MUCH OF A MONEY MESS IN DES MOINES AS PEOPLE LIKE GRAY DAVIS DO IN SACRAMENTO. SO HE'LL BE ABLE TO PLAY IN THIS DEBATE BECAUSE HE'S NOT GOING TO BE STUCK AT HOME DEALING WITH BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF DEBT LIKE GRAY DAVIS.

Yepsen: THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF BUZZ ABOUT GOVERNOR VILSACK RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. WELL, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. HE'S TOLD ALL THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES, "I'M NOT RUNNING SO IT'S SAFE TO COME TO IOWA." AND HE JUST HATES THAT TALK. I WAS UP IN HIS OFFICE THE OTHER DAY AND I ASKED HIM ABOUT IT: "WELL, WHAT ABOUT IT, GOVERNOR, ARE YOU GOING RUN FOR PRESIDENT"? AND HE JUST PUT HIS HEAD DOWN ON THE TABLE AND JUST RESTED IT. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE -- OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN '04. BUT YOU KNOW SOMETHING, DEAN? KEEP AN EYE ON TOM VILSACK IN '08. IF HE HAS A SUCCESSFUL TERM AS GOVERNOR OF IOWA BEGINNING NOW, AND IT WOULD CONCLUDE THEN IN 2006, HE WOULD LEAVE OFFICE AND HAVE TWO YEARS TO RUN AROUND THIS COUNTRY AND RUN FOR PRESIDENT. BUT WHAT HE KNOWS IS THAT THE KEY TO THAT IS TO GET SOME THINGS DONE NOW, TO FIX THE BUDGET, TO HAVE SOME PROGRAMS SO THAT HE CAN GO AROUND THE COUNTRY AND CAMPAIGN FOR PRESIDENT BY TALKING ABOUT THE IOWA MIRACLE. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE -- IT'S A THING THAT I THINK DISCIPLINES HIM IN FOCUSING ON TRYING TO MAKE SOME PROGRESS IN THIS STATE RIGHT NOW.

Glover: AND DAVE TOUCHED ON SOMETHING EARLIER I THINK IS A KEY TO THIS WHOLE EQUATION OUT THERE, WHICH IS THERE IS SOME MOMENTUM ON BOTH SIDES TO GET SOMETHING DONE. ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, I THINK THEY FIGURED OUT THAT IF THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP CONTROL OF THE LEGISLATURE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START CARVING OUT SOME KIND OF AN AGENDA OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS. THEY TRIED LAST TIME TO MAKE THE ELECTION ALL ABOUT TOM VILSACK AND HOW AWFUL HE WAS, AND THAT DIDN'T WORK SO WELL. SO NOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START BUILDING THEIR OWN AGENDA, SO THERE'S PRESSURE ON THEM TO GET TOGETHER. DAVE IS RIGHT. TOM VILSACK, IF HE'S GOING TO GET SOMETHING DONE TO START BUILDING A LEGACY FOR HIMSELF, HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO GET SOMETHING THROUGH THIS REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SAY, "WHAT IS THIS LEGISLATURE GOING TO BE REMEMBERED FOR AND WHAT IT IS THIS GOVERNOR GOING TO BE REMEMBERED FOR?"

Henderson: AND I THINK THAT THE ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH THEY MAKE THOSE BIG DECISIONS IS A LITTLE BILL CHANGED BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY NEW LEGISLATORS; 41 IN THE HOUSE AND 17 IN THE SENATE. YOU KNOW, SORT OF, THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO. IF THEY VOTE FOR HUGE TAX REFORM, THOSE NEWCOMERS ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKELY TO VOTE AND GO OUT ON A LIMB BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW THE POLITICAL REPERCUSSIONS THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN THERE FOREVER MIGHT KNOW.

Yepsen: YOU KNOW, DEAN, YOU TALK ABOUT THE DEMOCRATS STRUGGLING WITH THEIR MESSAGE AND WHETHER IT SHOULD BE TO THE RIGHT OR A MORE CENTRIST THING. BOTH PARTIES HAVE THAT PROBLEM. I MEAN DEMOCRATS ARE STRUGGLING WITH THIS NOTION OF ARE WE A CENTRIST PARTY LIKE BILL CLINTON OR SHOULD WE BE MORE ON THE LEFT. AND AFTER MARY LANDREW FINALLY WON HER SENATE SEAT IN LOUISIANA, IT HAS SORT OF AFFIRMED TO THE PARTY LEFT THAT, YEAH, YOU'VE GOT TO BE A LITTLE MORE POPULIST. YOU'VE GOT TO RAISE MORE HELL. AND REPUBLICANS HAVE, I THINK, A MIRROR IMAGE OF THAT PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IN THE IOWA PARTY. A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES IN THE IOWA REPUBLICAN PARTY SAY THAT DOUG GROSS AND GREG GANSKE JUST WEREN'T GOOD CANDIDATES AND THAT THE G.O.P. HAS TO MOVE TO THE RIGHT. CHUCK LARSON SURVIVED A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE TO HIS PARTY CHAIRMANSHIP FROM THE RIGHT, BUT IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THESE LEGISLATORS AND G.O.P. CANDIDATES ARE GOING TO BE STRUGGLING WITH THIS WHOLE THING OF WHAT DO THEY STAND FOR, WHAT MESSAGE DO THEY WANT TO TAKE TO PEOPLE.

Borg: WELL, DOES THAT MEAN BILL SALIER SHOOK THINGS UP IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?

Glover: AND BILL SALIER WAS A SYMBOL. BILL SALIER REPRESENTED A WING OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT FELT LIKE IT WAS BEING TAKEN FOR GRANTED AFTER BEING SO POWERFUL FOR SO LONG, AND THAT'S THE RIGHT WING OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. ARGUABLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BOTH VILSACK AND HARKIN WERE ABLE TO DO IN THE LAST ELECTION WAS TO ENERGIZE THAT CORE BASE OF DEMOCRATIC VOTERS, GET THEM ACTIVE, GET THEM GIVING, GET THEM VOLUNTEERING, GET THEM KNOCKING ON DOORS, WHICH FREED THE CANDIDATES UP TO GO TO THE MIDDLE AND TRY TO COURT THOSE KIND OF VOTERS. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT BOTH DOUG GROSS AND EVERYBODY ELSE HAD IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WAS THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN ACTIVE, ENERGIZED, FIGHTING BASE. THEY WENT TO THE POLLS, THEY HELD THEIR NOSE, THEY VOTED AGAINST TOM HARKIN, BUT THEY DIDN'T MAKE THE PHONE CALLS, THEY DIDN'T VOLUNTEER.

Yepsen: BILL SALIER IS GOING TO BE A FACTOR IN THAT PARTY. YOU KNOW, I WAS STRUCK DURING THE CAMPAIGN SOMEBODY SAID HE WAS OVER THERE DOING SOME SURROGATE CAMPAIGNING FOR JIM LEACH. I THOUGHT, MY GOSH, WHAT'S A CONSERVATIVE LIKE BILL SALIER DOING HELPING A MODERATE LIKE LEACH. I'LL TELL WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT. IT WAS ABOUT BILL SALIER CARVING OUT A FUTURE FOR HIMSELF IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

Obradovich: ONE OF THE CHALLENGES BOTH PARTIES FACE TOO IS THAT I DON'T THINK THAT VOTERS IN IOWA ARE DRIVEN BY IDEOLOGY AND PHILOSOPHY AS MUCH AS THEY ARE ABOUT PERSONALITY AND THE ATTRACTIVENESS OF INDIVIDUAL CANDIDATES. ONE OF THE REASONS BILL SALIER AND HIS CONSERVATIVE MESSAGE, YOU KNOW, ATTRACTED PEOPLE'S ATTENTION WAS BECAUSE BILL SALIER WAS AN ATTRACTIVE CANDIDATE. HE WAS ARTICULATE. HE WAS, YOU KNOW, EASY TO GET TO KNOW. AND SO, YOU KNOW, GREG GANSKE, WHO MAY HAVE REFLECTED THE PHILOSOPHIES OF MORE IOWA VOTERS, I DON'T THINK CONNECTED WITH THEM AS WELL.

Glover: AND THAT BUILDS ON SOMETHING ELSE THAT DAVID SAID, WHICH HE SAID THAT A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES THOUGHT THAT GREG GANSKE AND DOUG GROSS WERE BAD CANDIDATES BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT MESSAGE. THE FACT IS THAT GREG GANSKE AND DOUG GROSS WERE JUST BAD CANDIDATES, REGARDLESS OF --

Yepsen: COMING FROM DES MOINES DID NOT HELP EITHER ONE OF THEM.

Glover: WELL, LET'S GO DOWN THE LIST. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE LOOKING BACKWARDS ABOUT ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WERE WRONG.

Henderson: YOU KNOW, THAT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT. ROXANNE CONLIN OF DES MOINES, DOUG GROSS, DES MOINES, I THINK BOTH PARTIES ARE GETTING THE MESSAGE NOW THAT TO BE SUCCESSFUL WITH A STATEWIDE CANDIDATE, YOU REALLY DO NEED TO LOOK OUTSIDE THE CAPITAL CITY BECAUSE THERE IS A BIAS OUT IN THE HINTERLANDS AGAINST PEOPLE WHO ARE FROM DES MOINES.

Borg: BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR AWAY FROM PHILOSOPHY HERE, I HEAR DEMOCRATS MOVING TO THE LEFT. REPUBLICANS YOU SAY MAY BE MOVING MORE TO THE RIGHT. IS THERE GOING TO BE IN THE FUTURE, THEN, MORE OF A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THESE TWO POLITICAL PARTIES?

Glover: THAT'S NOT SETTLED YET. THERE IS A BIG DEBATE WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY ABOUT THE DIRECTION THE PARTY OUGHT TO GO. THE DEMOCRATS NATIONALLY DIDN'T HAVE A VERY GOOD NIGHT ON NOVEMBER 5. AND THE PROBLEM THAT A LOT OF DEMOCRATS ARE SAYING WAS THAT THEY DIDN'T SKETCH OUT A DIFFERENCE, A CLEAR DIFFERENCE WITH REPUBLICANS. WE GOT TO RUN AS -- THE OLD SAYING IS THAT IF A REPUBLICAN RUNS AGAINST A REPUBLICAN, THE REPUBLICAN IS GOING TO WIN EVERY TIME. SO THERE'S A WING OF THE PARTY THAT'S SAYING, "LOOK, WE'VE GOT TO DISTINGUISH OURSELVES, WE'VE GOT TO GET MORE LIBERAL, WE'VE GOT TO DRAW SOME DISTINCTIONS." THE SAME THING IS HAPPENING IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. THE PEOPLE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ARE SAYING WE'RE TAKING OUR RIGHT WING FOR GRANTED, THEY'RE NOT GETTING EXCITED, THEY'RE NOT FIGHTING FOR US, SO WE'VE GOT TO ENERGIZE THEM BY MOVING TO THE RIGHT. BUT THE END RESULT IS NOT SETTLED YET. THAT'S GOING TO BE FOUGHT OUT OVER THE NEXT YEAR --

Yepsen: AND I THINK, DEAN, THAT IS WHAT'S GOING TO MAKE IOWA SUCH AN INTERESTING POLITICAL STATE IN '03, BECAUSE THE NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC ARGUMENT -- RIGHT, CENTER -- IS GOING TO START GETTING PLAYED OUT RIGHT HERE IN THIS STATE.

Borg: WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL CAUCUSES.

Yepsen: THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. THESE GUYS ARE GOING TO BE COMING OUT HERE. THEY'RE GOING TO BE AIRING THEIR MESSAGE. PARTY ACTIVISTS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE, WELL, WHAT'S GOING TO SELL. IT'S A LEGITIMATE ARGUMENT. YOU CAN ARGUE IT EITHER WAY, BUT THE ARGUMENT IS GOING TO START RIGHT HERE IN THIS STATE WITH THE CAUCUSES.

Glover: AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A JOHN EDWARDS THAT'S GOING TO COME OUT IN NORTH CAROLINA AND SAY IT'S TIME TO LOOK AT THE SOUTH, GET A MORE MODERATE, DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP TYPE. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A HOWARD DEAN COMING OUT SAYING THE PARTY HAS GOT TO HAVE A SOUL, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO, YEAH THAT'S GOING TO MAKE -- THAT'S GOING TO BE THE BLACKBOARD ON WHICH THE DEMOCRATIC DEBATE IS SKETCHED OUT OVER THE NEXT YEAR.

Borg: WELL, I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THE CAUCUSES WITHOUT SAYING WHAT ABOUT WESLEY CLARK. IS THAT GOING TO BE -- YOU'RE SMILING, MIKE.

Yepsen: WHO KNOWS, HE'S MADE SOME CALLS IN HERE. I DON'T THINK THE DEMOCRATIC FIELD IS SET YET. WE HAD GORDON FISCHER, THE STATE CHAIRMAN OUT HERE, AND IT IS STILL POSSIBLE WITH THIS WIDE-OPEN FIELD THAT WE'RE IN TO SEE OTHER DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES START TO COME IN AND TRY SOMETHING, INCLUDING FORMER GENERALS.

Obradovich: THE THING THAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THAT, THOUGH, IS THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE ALL PLANNING TO PLAY IN IOWA. WE DON'T HAVE, RIGHT NOW AT LEAST, A JOHN MCCAIN WHO'S OUT THERE SAYING, "WELL, I THINK I CAN GET THE NOMINATION WITHOUT COMING TO IOWA." IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYONE IS COMING.

Yepsen: THE BYPASS IOWA STRATEGY HAS BEEN EFFECTIVELY EMPLOYED BY PRESIDENT JOHN MCCAIN, PRESIDENT AL GORE, PRESIDENT ERNEST HOLLINGS, PRESIDENT JOHN GLENN. IT'S NEVER WORKED AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE COMING HERE.

Borg: KAY, LET'S GET BACK TO IOWA. IT'S BEEN MENTIONED THAT NOT VERY MANY DAYS PASSED AFTER THE ELECTION OF TOM VILSACK WAS IN SAYING GOOD-BYE TO A LOT OF DEPARTMENT HEADS.

Henderson: RIGHT, SIX OF THEM.

Borg: HOW IS THAT GOING TO PLAY OUT IN THE EFFECTS IN THE LEGISLATURE? DID ALL LEGISLATORS AGREE WITH WHAT WAS HAPPENING THERE AND HOW'S THAT GOING TO PLAY OUT IN CONFIRMATION OF NEW HEADS AND WHAT HAPPENS IN STATE GOVERNMENT AT THE EXECUTIVE LEVEL?

Henderson: WELL, ONE OF THE REASONS HE MADE THE CHANGES THAT HE MADE IN REGARDS TO TWO OF THOSE DIRECTORS, CJ NILES AND THE DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES, NEITHER ONE OF THOSE WOMEN WERE GOING TO WIN CONFIRMATION IN THE IOWA SENATE, SO HE WAS LOOKING AT REALITY THERE TO GET RID OF THE TWO OF THEM. THE INTERESTING ONE OF THE DISMISSALS WAS KIP KAUTZKY, WHO WAS THE DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS. BUT I THINK THE SIGNAL HE WAS SENDING IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO SHAKE THINGS UP. ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING ANNOUNCEMENTS IS THAT HE'S TRYING TO CREATE A NEW DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES, AND HE'S ACTUALLY UNDOING AN AGENCY, THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY AGENCY THAT HE CREATED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

Borg: RICH VARN HEADED THAT --

Henderson: EXACTLY. AND SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS AN ADMISSION ON HIS PART THAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HIS OPPONENT TALKED ABOUT, DOUG GROSS, DURING THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL WERE RIGHT ON, THAT HE NEEDED TO DO MAKE SOME CHANGES, AND HE HAS DONE THOSE.

Yepsen: SMART POLITICIANS -- WINNERS ALWAYS LOOK AT WHAT THEIR OPPONENTS WERE SAYING AND STEAL THEIR IDEAS. THAT'S WHY THEY STAY ON TOP FOR SO LONG. I THINK, DEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS HE DID BY SHUFFLING THAT DECK OF DEPARTMENT HEADS WAS HE REMOVED SOME REAL IRRITANTS FROM THE EQUATION. THERE WAS GOING TO BE REALLY MESSY CONFIRMATION FIGHTS, AND A LOT OF REPUBLICAN LEGISLATORS WERE REALLY GRATEFUL TO THE GOVERNOR FOR GETTING THESE HOT BUTTONS OFF THE TABLE. IT REALLY HELPED SIGNAL THAT HE WANTS TO COOPERATE, HE WANTS A MORE COLLEGIAL ATMOSPHERE UP THERE.

Glover: THE FIRST THING YOU DO WHEN YOU START OFF ON A NEW JOURNEY IS YOU WORRY ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE JOURNEYING WITH YOU. AND I THINK OVER THE LAST YEAR OR MAYBE EVEN TWO, THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE WHO HAVE JUST NOT FIT IN TO WHERE TOM VILSACK WANTS TO GO, SOME OF THEM ON A PROFESSIONAL-POLICY-TYPE BASIS, SOME OF THEM ON JUST A PERSONAL-CHEMISTRY-TYPE BASIS. AND I THINK WHAT HE WAS SAYING WAS, "OKAY, WE'RE STARTING OFF IN THE SECOND TERM. I WANT PEOPLE AROUND ME I'M COMFORTABLE WITH."

Borg: WITH THAT IN MIND -- EXCUSE ME, KATHIE. I JUST WANT TO -- I'LL GET BACK TO YOU IN JUST A SECOND. ASSESS THE APPOINTMENT OF MIKE BLOUIN, A FORMER LEGISLATOR FROM DUBUQUE COUNTY, CAME THROUGH CEDAR RAPIDS CHAMBER OF COMMERCE THERE, HAS BEEN DOING ABOUT THE SAME JOB HERE IN DES MOINES. NOW HE'S HEADING THE STATE'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DRIVE.

Glover: WELL, I THINK THAT'S A SIGNAL OF A NEW FOCUS IN TOM VILSACK'S ADMINISTRATION. AND I THINK IF I'M RURAL IOWAN, I'M A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE MIKE BLOUIN HAS BEEN A BIG ACTIVIST IN THIS IOWA CHAMBER ALLIANCE, THE ALLIANCE OF THE 17 LARGEST CITIES IN THE STATE COMING TOGETHER TO PUSH A LARGELY URBAN AGENDA. I THINK WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE IS MIKE BLOUIN IS A DEMOCRAT BUT A DEMOCRAT WHO DOES A LOT OF WORK WITH REPUBLICANS, SO I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A BIPARTISAN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND ALSO, BY APPOINTING SUCH A PROMINENT PERSON TO THAT JOB, IT MEANS A HEAVIER FOCUS ON VILSACK'S PART ON THAT ISSUE.

Obradovich: AT THE SAME TIME, YOU SAID THE WORD "COMFORTABLE." AND I THINK THAT BLOUIN WAS A VERY COMFORTABLE CHOICE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE IN THIS STATE. THEY KNOW HIM. GENERALLY THEY KNOW WHERE HE'S COMING FROM, SO HE COMES IN WITH THE CREDIBILITY TO MAKE SOME CHANGES IF THAT IS HIS DESIRE. AND THEY SAY THAT IT IS HIS DESIRE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES. THE DRAWBACK, I GUESS, IS THAT IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN HOW YOU'RE DOING THINGS, YOU BRING IN SOMEBODY WHO MAYBE IS FROM OUTSIDE, MAYBE BRINGS IN SOME FRESH IDEAS. INSTEAD YOU'RE BRINGING SOMEBODY IN FROM INSIDE AND TRYING TO MAKE THE CHANGES FROM WITHIN.

Henderson: THE OTHER INTERESTING THING ABOUT THAT CHOICE IS THAT THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY IN IOWA WAS CAMPAIGNING AGAINST TOM VILSACK. AND THE EVENT AT WHICH THEY ANNOUNCED MR. BLOUIN AND HIS CHOICE IS A SIGNAL THAT TOM VILSACK REALLY DOESN'T HOLD GRUDGES IN THAT REGARD, THAT HE IS GOING TO WORK WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THEM WERE VERY STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF DOUG GROSS.

Yepsen: YEAH, MIKE BLOUIN IS ONE DEMOCRAT WHO DOES NOT THINK PROFIT IS A FOUR LETTER WORD, SO A LOT OF REPUBLICANS WERE REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THAT APPOINTMENT. HE CAN WORK WITH THAT BUSINESS COMMUNITY. AND I THINK -- I THINK LEGISLATORS -- THERE'S A REAL AGREEMENT UP THERE TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING TO TRY TO MOVE THE ECONOMY. THE GOVERNOR HAS SIGNALED THAT. REPUBLICAN WILLINGNESS TO LOOK AT THE TAX CODE, WHICH THEY NEVER WANTED TO DO BEFORE, IS A SIGN THAT THEY TOO WANT TO DO WHAT THEY CAN TO MAKE IOWA'S ECONOMY GROW. BUT REMEMBER, DEAN, IT'S A $5-BILLION STATE BUDGET. WE'VE GOT A $90-BILLION STATE ECONOMY. WHAT THE STATEHOUSE POLITICIANS CAN DO ABOUT THIS ECONOMIC PROBLEM IS REALLY PRETTY LIMITED.

Glover: AND ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS IS THAT WE HAVE AT TIMES -- AND YOU CAN FEEL IT AROUND THE STATEHOUSE -- AN EMERGING SORT OF A POLITICAL CONSENSUS, UNSPOKEN OFTEN, BUT CONSENSUS NONETHELESS, AND ONE OF THE EMERGING BIPARTISAN POLITICAL CONSENSUS THAT'S DEVELOPING AT THE STATEHOUSE IS IT IS REALLY THE ECONOMY STUPID. BOTH SIDES AGREE THERE'S NOT MUCH THEY CAN DO ABOUT ANYTHING AS LONG AS THE ECONOMY IS IN THE TANK.

Obradovich: THE OTHER PART OF THAT, MIKE, IS THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE A CONSENSUS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK BEYOND THE NEXT ELECTION AND TRY AND DO SOME THINGS THAT MAY NOT BE A QUICK FIX, MAY NOT SHOW AN IMPACT IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS, BUT HOPEFULLY WILL HAVE A LONGER TERM IMPACT ON IMPROVING THE STATE. THAT'S THE KIND OF FOCUS THAT WE DON'T SEE OFTEN AT THE STATEHOUSE. THEY ARE ALWAYS LOOKING TO THE NEXT ELECTION. THEY'RE TAKING A MUCH LONGER TERM VIEW THIS TIME, AND THAT'S PRETTY INTERESTING.

Glover: IT'S UNCLEAR HOW MUCH OF THIS STUFF IS ACTUALLY GOING TO GET ACCOMPLISHED. I DISAGREE WITH DAVE; I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE A COMPREHENSIVE REWRITE OF THE INCOME TAX CODE IN THE UPCOMING LEGISLATIVE SESSION, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE A DEBATE ABOUT IT.

Henderson: BUT THE THING I SEE IS THAT IF THERE IS ONE, I THINK WHAT THEY'LL SETTLE ON IS A FLAT TAX, BECAUSE DEMOCRATS ON ONE HAND SAY THE THING IS TOO COMPLICATED, PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND OUR TAX SYSTEM. ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU HAVE PEOPLE LIKE STEVE FORBES WHO HAVE BEEN RUNNING AROUND FOR YEARS SAYING WE NEED A NATIONAL FLAT TAX. REPUBLICANS LIKE IT TOO. IF THERE'S A POINT AT WHICH THE TWO SIDES CAN AGREE, I THINK IT WOULD BE A POSTCARD RETURN ON A FLAT TAX. IT'S HARD TO GET THERE. WE'LL SEE.

Borg: TWO QUESTIONS IN ONE HERE. AND THE MAIN ONE IS WHAT'S THIS LEGISLATURE GOING TO BE REMEMBERED FOR, THEN, IF THEY'RE GOING TO PECK AWAY AT THE TAX OVERHAUL BUT NOT REALLY GET ANYTHING DONE. AND THE SECOND PART OF THAT QUESTION IS CAN WE SEE THAT IN THE CHAIRMAN WHO CHAIRMANSHIPS HAVE BEEN APPOINTED ALREADY.

Yepsen: WELL THE CHAIRMANSHIPS WENT ALL TO A BUNCH OF RURAL IOWA POLITICIANS, SO THIS IDEA THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME BIG URBAN/RURAL SHIFT IN THE LEGISLATURE IS FLAWED. I MEAN WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT; IT'S VERY MUCH ON THE MARGINS. YOU KNOW, THE SENATE MAJORITY LEADER IS FROM DOWS, IOWA. THE HOUSE MAJORITY LEADER IS FROM DECORAH. YOU GO DOWN THE LIST OF COMMITTEE CHAIRS IN BOTH HOUSES, IT'S STILL A PRETTY RURAL DOMINATED LEGISLATURE. MIKE AND I DO DISAGREE. I THINK THAT THERE WILL BE MAJOR TAX LAW CHANGES IN THIS SESSION. AND I THINK IT WILL PROBABLY BE THE ONE THING THAT AMOUNTS TO SOMETHING IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS. WHETHER IT'S A FLAT TAX OR REPEALING FEDERAL DEDUCTABILITY, I DON'T KNOW. BUT THERE WILL BE A BIG CHANGE.

Glover: WHAT I THINK THIS LEGISLATURE WILL BE REMEMBERED FOR IS SOMETHING KATHIE MENTIONED EARLIER. I THINK THIS LEGISLATURE WILL BE REMEMBERED AS A LEGISLATURE THAT PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE TO BEGIN HEALING THE ECONOMY. THERE ARE A BUNCH OF PROPOSALS OUT THERE. VILSACK HAS GOT SOME, EXPANDING VISION IOWA AND DOING THAT KIND OF STUFF. THE REPUBLICANS ARE TALKING ABOUT SOME. I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY THIS LEGISLATURE WILL APPROVE A NUMBER OF THOSE INITIATIVES TO BEING HEALING THE ECONOMY, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE REMEMBERED FOR.

Obradovich: ANOTHER OF THE SIGNALS, I THINK -- YOU MENTIONED COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN. ANOTHER SIGNAL I THINK THEY SENT WAS THAT THEY'RE READY TO REALLY CONSIDER SENTENCING REFORM IN THE LEGISLATURE. THE SENATE HAS BEEN ON BOARD WITH SOME FORM OF SENTENCING REFORM FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. THIS YEAR THE HOUSE PUT THE OLD SENATE JUDICIARY CHAIR, GENE MADDOX, IN AS JUDICIARY CHAIR IN THE HOUSE. THEY'RE GOING GET SERIOUS ABOUT LOOKING AT SOME WAY TO AVOID HAVING TO BUILD FIVE NOW PRISONS BY 2012.

Borg: MIKE USED THE WORD "HEALING" HERE. AND I WANT TO -- THERE'S AN RURAL/URBAN PERCEIVED SPLIT. IN FACT, WE THINK -- WE TALK ABOUT IT HERE A LOT, BUT THE DEMOCRATIC CHAIR, MR. GORDON, SAID A FEW WEEKS AGO THAT'S NOT TRUE.

Yepsen: THERE IS AN URBAN/RURAL SPLIT. I THINK IT OFTEN EXPLAINS MORE OF WHAT GOES ON IN THE LEGISLATURE THAN THE REPUBLICAN/DEMOCRATIC SPLIT. AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT THIS GOVERNOR AND LEGISLATIVE LEADERS HAVE IS TO FIND WAYS TO BRIDGE THAT GAP. THERE'S BEEN A BIG FIGHT OVER THE LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX, FOR EXAMPLE, AND FOR LOCAL SCHOOLS. RURAL PEOPLE HATE IT. WELL, YOU'VE GOT RURAL LEGISLATORS WHO ARE TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO MAKE COMPROMISES. THE CHALLENGE WILL BE FOR OUR LEADERS TO FIND WIN/WIN DEALS FOR BOTH SIDES. IF THEY CAN DO THAT, THEY'LL MAKE IT THROUGH THIS MESS.

Borg: ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER DEBATE ON GAMBLING IN THIS STATE?

Glover: OH, ABSOLUTELY.

Borg: WHY DO YOU SAY THAT?

Glover: IT'S GOING TO BE AN OFFICIAL SESSION. WE HAVEN'T HAD AN OFFICIAL SESSION IN A LONG TIME, AND IT WILL BE AN OFFICIAL SESSION THIS YEAR. THE IOWA SUPREME COURT EARLIER THIS YEAR STRUCK DOWN THE TAXING SYSTEM BY WHICH THE STATE TAXES ITS CASINOS. THEY SAID IT WAS UNFAIR, UNCONSTITUTIONAL, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. THEY STRUCK IT DOWN AND ORDERED A LOWER TAX RATE TO BE PAID BY ALL OF THEM. YOU GET SOME DISAGREEMENT UP AT THE HILL ABOUT HOW MUCH THAT WOULD COST. IT'S PROBABLY OVER $100 MILLION A YEAR. AND WHATEVER WE SAY ABOUT THE BUDGET, THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE ANOTHER $100 MILLION A YEAR. AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET BACK INTO IT TO TRY TO REPLACE THAT MONEY, WHICH BRINGS EVERYTHING ELSE ON TABLE.

Henderson: I THINK THE OUTCOME OF THAT IS THE RIVERBOATS ARE GOING TO SEE THEIR TAXES RAISED BECAUSE THE STATE CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE THAT MUCH MONEY.

Yepsen: I THINK WE SHOULDN'T OVERLOOK THE BUDGET, DEAN, AS A BIG ISSUE. WE ALL SORT OF JUST TAKE IT FOR GRANTED. I MEAN, THEY STILL HAVE AN ENORMOUS BUDGET PROBLEM. THERE'S A $400-MILLION HOLE THERE. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE UGLY CUTS. THIS STATE IS NOT THROUGH THAT MESS. BUT IN ADDITION TO THE COLLEGIAL ATMOSPHERE, I THINK THE PAIN OF WHAT THAT HAS TO DO IS FORCING THESE POLITICIANS TO THINK CREATIVELY, TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS, TO COME TO THE TABLE AND REALIZE THAT EVERYTHING WE'VE BEEN DOING HASN'T ALWAYS WORKED IN THE PAST. SO IRONICALLY, THE CRISIS OF THE BUDGET IS PROVIDING THEM WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SOME TOUGH DECISIONS.

Glover: THERE'S BEEN A DRIVING THEME AT THE STATEHOUSE OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS REALLY. THE DRIVING THEME AMONG REPUBLICANS AT THE STATEHOUSE HAS BEEN LET'S GET TOM VILSACK. THAT'S OUR TOP LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY IS KNOCKING OFF TOM VILSACK, AND NOTHING ELSE MATTERS. SO THAT'S REALLY ALL THEY'VE CARED ABOUT FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS. DEMOCRATS FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, ALL THEY'VE CARED ABOUT IS LET'S GET THE LEGISLATURE BACK. WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES EXCEPT GETTING THE LEGISLATURE BACK. BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS ARE NOW OFF THE TABLE. SO NOW WHAT DO YOU DO? OKAY, WELL, MAYBE WE'VE GOT TO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING.

Borg: ARE THERE SOME UP AND -- TOUGH TIMES DEVELOP LEADERS. ARE THERE SOME UP-AND-COMERS THAT ARE ON THEIR WAY UP, KAY?

Henderson: I THINK CHRISTOPHER RANTS IS POSITIONING HIMSELF FOR A RUN FOR GOVERNOR. I THINK THE DISCUSSION THAT STEWART IVERSON HAS HAD OVER THE PAST MONTH ABOUT REDOING THE TAX SYSTEM IS AN ILLUSTRATION THAT HE IS A CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR. AS I WAS SITTING CHATTING WITH DICK MYERS A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, IT STRUCK ME THAT IF DEMOCRATS WERE LOOKING FOR AN INTERESTING CHARACTER TO RUN FOR GOVERNOR, THERE WOULD BE ONE, DICK MYERS. SO I THINK THERE IS A STABLE OF PEOPLE AT THE STATEHOUSE WHO ARE LOOKING AT RUNS FOR THE GOVERNORSHIP. BUT ALSO, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A LOOK OUTSIDE THE STATEHOUSE FOR THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL.

Yepsen: WELL, I THINK CHUCK GIPP, THE NEW HOUSE MAJORITY LEADER, HE'S ONE GUY WHO'S NOT RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR. HE'S A TALENTED GUY AND HE'S WELL RESPECTED. AND I THINK YOU'LL SEE HIM REALLY EMERGE AS A KEY POWERBROKER AT THE STATEHOUSE.

Glover: I THINK ONE OF THE PEOPLE YOU'LL START TO SEE RAISE THEIR PROFILE JUST A LITTLE BIT IS CHET CULVER, THE CURRENT SECRETARY OF STATE. HE'S A DEMOCRAT. HE GOT REELECTED. FAMOUS POLITICAL NAME. I THINK HE'S GOT AMBITIONS TO RUN FOR SOMETHING ELSE. I THINK YOU'LL START TO SEE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR SALLY PEDERSON PLAY A VERY MUCH BIGGER ROLE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION, BECAUSE I THINK SHE'S A CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR IN FOUR YEARS.

Borg: I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY NAME THE OTHER GENDER, AND YOU DID. THANK YOU, MIKE. AND WE'RE OUT OF TIME. I'M GLAD THAT YOU GOT THAT IN. ON OUR NEXT EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS," WE LOOK AT IOWA'S ECONOMY BOTH RURAL AND URBAN AND THE PROSPECT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. JOINING US NEXT WEEK, CHUCK HASSEBROOK, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE CENTER FOR RURAL AFFAIRS IN WALTER, NEBRASKA. AND RON CORBETT; HE'S FORMER SPEAKER OF THE IOWA HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, AND HE'S CURRENTLY PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE CEDAR RAPIDS AREA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. THAT'S NEXT WEEKEND, FRIDAY AT 6:30, SUNDAY AT NOON. WELL, AT YEAR'S END ALL OF US HERE AT IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION WISH YOU AND YOURS A SAFE HOLIDAY AND A PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR. I'M DEAN BORG. THANKS FOR JOINING US TODAY.

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