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Republican Leader Stewart Iverson

posted on March 5, 2005

Borg: COMPROMISE AND COLLABORATION, THERE'S MORE OF IT IN THE IOWA SENATE THESE DAYS AS DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS SHARE POWER. WE'LL QUESTION REPUBLICAN LEADER STEWART IVERSON ON THIS EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS."


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Borg: WE'RE AT ABOUT THE MIDPOINT OF IOWA'S 2005 LEGISLATIVE SESSION NOW. ALTHOUGH TAX REFORM AND THE STATE'S 2006 BUDGET TOP THE AGENDA, OTHER MAJOR ISSUES ARE PENDING. IN ANOTHER WEEK WE'LL KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT WHAT'S LIKELY TO HAPPEN BECAUSE NEXT FRIDAY IS THE FIRST SO-CALLED FUNNEL DAY. THAT MEANS PENDING LEGISLATION MUST HAVE COMMITTEE APPROVAL TO PROCEED FOR A DEBATE IN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE. SO AT THIS STAGE, IT'S ESPECIALLY TIMELY TO GET INSIGHT FROM LEGISLATIVE LEADERS, IN THIS CASE COLEADERS OF THE SENATE, WHERE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS EACH HAVE 25 SEATS AND SHARE POWER. NEXT FRIDAY DEMOCRAT MIKE GRONSTAL WILL JOIN US. TODAY, THOUGH, WE'RE QUESTIONING REPUBLICAN STEWART IVERSON OF DOWS. SENATOR IVERSON, WELCOME BACK TO "IOWA PRESS."

Iverson: WELL, THANK YOU.

Borg: AND ACROSS THE TABLE: TWO GENTLEMEN THAT YOU KNOW VERY WELL: "DES MOINES REGISTER" POLITICAL COLUMNIST DAVID YEPSEN AND "ASSOCIATED PRESS" SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER MIKE GLOVER.

Glover: SENATOR IVERSON, THE LEGISLATURE, TO BE KIND, HAS NOT ACCOMPLISHED A GREAT DEAL SO FAR. THERE'S SOME SUGGESTION THIS MIGHT BE KNOWN AS A DO-NOTHING LEGISLATURE. YOU SEEM TO BE JUST FINE WITH THAT, HAPPY IF THE LEGISLATURE DOESN'T DO MUCH. WILL YOU BE OKAY IF THIS IS A DO-NOTHING LEGISLATURE?

Iverson: ABOUT THIS TIME EVERY YEAR IS A DO-NOTHING LEGISLATURE. I MEAN I HEAR THIS EVERY SINGLE YEAR, MIKE, AND I DON'T THINK THE LEGISLATURE SHOULD BE JUDGED ON HOW MANY BILLS YOU PASS. I THINK IT'S WHAT WE ACCOMPLISH. OF COURSE, THE BIGGEST THING WE DEAL WITH EVERY YEAR IS THE BUDGET, AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE DEAL WITH. I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER, WHAT ARE WE DO DOING. AND I THINK THAT'S MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN HOW MANY BILLS WE PASS, SO --

Glover: THEN WHAT DO YOU WANT THIS LEGISLATURE TO BE REMEMBERED FOR?

Iverson: FIRST OF ALL, THE BUDGET EVERY YEAR IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT SETS UP FOR NOT ONLY THE NEXT YEAR BUT THE NEXT TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS, FOUR YEARS, FIVE YEARS, AND TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. WE HAVE PEOPLE WORKING ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT. WE HAVE COMPETING IDEAS ON WHAT TO DO WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I MEAN WE HAVE SUGGESTED TAX CREDITS, AND THE ONLY TIME THAT SOMEONE ACTUALLY GETS ONE IS AFTER A JOB IS CREATED VERSUS THE GOVERNMENT PICKING WINNERS AND LOSERS. I THINK THERE WILL END UP BEING A COMBINATION OF THOSE TWO IDEAS. SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE GOING TO BE GOOD FOR THE STATE OF IOWA. SOME PEOPLE ACTUALLY BELIEVE -- YOU KNOW, HAVE TOLD ME, YOU KNOW, IF YOU FOLKS JUST NEVER WENT TO DES MOINES, WE'D BE BETTER OFF, AND IN SOME CASES THEY MIGHT BE RIGHT.

Yepsen: I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT. ARE YOU HEARING FROM IOWANS WHO ARE SAYING WE DON'T WANT YOU TO DO ANYTHING? I MEAN THE POLLS SHOW 55 PERCENT OF IOWANS SAY THINGS ARE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. FARMERS ARE MAKING MONEY; THEY NEVER LIKE TO ADMIT THAT. TAX REVENUES, 6.8 PERCENT OVER LAST YEAR. IS THERE A HUE AND CRY IN IOWA FOR THE LEGISLATURE TO DO A LOT?

Iverson: NO, THERE ISN'T. I'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE GOING ALONG FINE. YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST THING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOK FORWARD TO IS JUST GOVERNMENT TO GET OUT OF THE WAY. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE LOOKED AT IN THE PAST AND CONTINUE TO LOOK AT, LIKE, SOME REGULATORY REFORM. I DON'T SEE A LOT OF THAT HAPPENING THIS YEAR. BUT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE CLAMORING SAYING YOU HAVE TO DO X-Y-Z AND MAKE EVERYTHING BETTER.

Yepsen: ONE ISSUE THAT CAME OUT OF THE IOWA HOUSE OUT OF A SUBCOMMITTEE LAST WEEK WAS A PROPOSED CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING GAY MARRIAGE. IF THAT IDEA GETS THROUGH THE HOUSE, DOES IT HAVE ANY CHANCE OF MAKING IT IN THE SENATE?

Iverson: I'D SAY IT'S VERY UNLIKELY THAT IT WOULD MAKE IT THROUGH. AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT WOULD MAKE IT THROUGH THE HOUSE OR NOT. IT'S VERY UNLIKELY IT WOULD MAKE IT THROUGH THE SENATE.

Yepsen: WHY?

Glover: IT DIED IN THE SENATE LAST YEAR WHEN YOU CONTROLLED THE SENATE FAIRLY STRONGLY.

Iverson: YEAH.

Glover: SO YOU JUST DON'T GIVE IT ANY CHANCE?

Iverson: NO.

Yepsen: WHY?

Iverson: SIMPLY BECAUSE HOW PEOPLE FEEL. SOME PEOPLE FEEL IT'S NOT NECESSARY. AND I THINK THE BIGGEST THING TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN OTHER STATES. WE DO HAVE A LAW IN THE BOOKS IN OUR CODE THAT SAYS A MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN, BUT WE'VE ALSO SEEN WHAT SOME, YOU KNOW, JUDGES WILL DO WITH THINGS THAT ARE IN THE CODE. IF IT'S IN THE CONSTITUTION, A JUDGE CANNOT TOUCH THE CONSTITUTION. THEY CAN INTERPRET IT BUT IT'S PRETTY DIFFICULT TO INTERPRET THAT DIFFERENTLY. BUT WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT FEEL IT'S NOT NECESSARY, SO I'D GIVE IT A VERY, VERY SLIM CHANCE.

Borg: A POSSIBLE INCREASE IN TAX ON THE PACKAGE OF CIGARETTES GOT A LOT OF ATTENTION. YOU, RIGHTFULLY OR NOT, ARE BEING HELD UP AS THE PERSON -- ONE OF THE PEOPLE AND POSTER CHILD, BECAUSE YOU'RE A LEADER, AS BEING ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO AN INCREASE IN THE TAX ON CIGARETTES. IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN? IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY INCREASE AT ALL?

Iverson: I'D SAY THERE'S ALWAYS A CHANCE, BUT I'M ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO ANY TAX INCREASE. YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S CIGARETTE, ALCOHOL, INCOME, SALES, IT DOESN'T MATTER, ANY TAX INCREASE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT GOVERNMENT SHOULD LIVE LIKE ALL OF US AS INDIVIDUALS HAVE TO LIVE. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO LIVE WITHIN OUR MEANS. AS DAVID POINTED OUT EARLIER, RIGHT NOW OUR REVENUE IS RUNNING AT 6.8 PERCENT. WHY DO WE NEED A TAX INCREASE? AND HERE'S MY CONCERN ABOUT A TAX INCREASE. IF WE WOULD DO A TAX INCREASE, LET'S SAY $120 MILLION, AND WE SPEND THAT MONEY, I'M GOING TO SAY THERE'S PROBABLY AN 80- TO 90-PERCENT PROBABILITY WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A TAX INCREASE NEXT YEAR BECAUSE WE CAN'T SUSTAIN THE BASE BUDGETING. AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT: WHAT IMPACT DOES IT HAVE INTO THE FUTURE? WHERE A LOT OF STATES INCREASE TAXES OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS -- AND THE TOBACCO TAX IS PROBABLY THE EASIEST ONE TO INCREASE -- BECAUSE THEY NEEDED MORE REVENUE. WHERE WE WENT AT IT THE OTHER WAY: WE ACTUALLY SLOWED DOWN SPENDING; WE TOOK MONEY OUT OF A CASH RESERVE; WE TOOK SOME MONEY OUT OF A SENIOR LIVING TRUST; AND THERE IS A REPAYMENT STREAM SET UP FOR THAT ALREADY; AND WE GOT THROUGH THAT WITHOUT RAISING TAXES. AND I THINK YOU'RE SEEING OUR ECONOMY REBOUNDING AS A RESULT OF THAT.

Borg: WHAT ABOUT THE SOCIAL REASON FOR RAISING TAXES?

Iverson: THE SOCIAL REASON, IF YOU COME AND YOU SAY I WANT TO RAISE THE TOBACCO TAX TO GET PEOPLE TO STOP SMOKING OR STOP PEOPLE FROM EVER SMOKING, THAT'S A LEGITIMATE REASON. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. BUT TO SAY WE NEED IT FOR MEDICAID IS WRONG BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY A BUDGET OUT THERE THAT THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS PASSED, WHICH WE AGREE WITH, THAT DOESN'T INCREASE TAXES, STILL TAKES CARE OF MEDICAID. AND THE OTHER THING I WANT TO POINT OUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TOLD FOR SEVERAL WEEKS NOW THAT THE SMOKING COSTS THE STATE OF IOWA $235 MILLION OUT OF STATE MEDICAID. WELL -- AND AS I SHOWED THIS TO REPORTERS YESTERDAY, THE ACTUAL FIGURE IS LIKE 86. NOW THERE'S NEW FIGURES THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS UP SOME. BUT THE $235-MILLION MARK IS BOTH STATE AND FEDERAL DOLLARS. AND ALL I ASK PEOPLE TO DO IS BE UP FRONT. LET'S TELL PEOPLE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THAT.

Glover: AS A POLITICAL QUESTION, HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO PEOPLE WHO SAY 71 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS STATE FAVOR A CIGARETTE TAX INCREASE AND YOU'LL TELLING THEM NO? AND TO ADD ONTO IT, YOU'RE A SMOKER.

Iverson: THIS IS HOW I'VE HANDLED IT PROBABLY ABOUT 500 TIMES ALREADY. ONE, I OPPOSE ANY TAX INCREASE. TWO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD POLLS THAT FAVORED THE DEATH PENALTY. HAS IT PASSED? NO. WE'VE HAD POLLS THAT FAVOR -- TODAY FAVOR TEACHER TESTING. HAS IT PASSED? NO. WE HAVE POLLS THAT SAY THAT STUDENTS OUGHT TO BE TESTED BEFORE THEY CAN MOVE ON. HAS THAT PASSED? NO. I ALWAYS THINK IT'S DANGEROUS WHEN I OR SOMEONE AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL START BASING MY DECISIONS ON POLLING, BECAUSE WHEN I RAN FOR OFFICE FIFTEEN YEARS AGO I SAID I WILL NOT VOTE TO INCREASE TAXES. AND I TAKE THAT VERY SERIOUSLY BECAUSE THE ONLY THING I HAVE TO OFFER VOTERS, ANY OF US AS ELECTED OFFICIALS, IS OUR INTEGRITY. IF I WANT TO VOTE FOR A TAX INCREASE, I SHOULD TELL YOU BEFORE THE ELECTION, NOT CHANGE MY MIND AFTERWARDS BECAUSE OF A POLL.

Glover: ONE OF THE CENTRAL THEMES THAT GOVERNOR VILSACK OFFERED TO THE LEGISLATURE IN HIS CONDITION OF THE STATE MESSAGE AND IN THE RUN UP TO THIS YEAR'S LEGISLATIVE SESSION WAS HE WANTS YOU TO RESTORE THE IOWA VALUES FUND AT ABOUT $800 MILLION OVER TEN YEARS, BORROW THE MONEY TO DO IT, DA-DA-DA-DA. WILL YOU WRITE INTO LAW AN IOWA VALUES FUND? IF SO, HOW LARGE AND HOW WILL YOU PAY FOR IT?

Iverson: OKAY. I THINK THERE WILL BE AN IOWA VALUES FUND OF SOME SORT. HOW LARGE IT'S GOING TO BE, HOW MANY DOLLARS IT SPENDS I THINK IS GOING TO BE TOUGH, YOU KNOW, FOR IT TO BE VERY LARGE, BECAUSE HERE'S THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO. AS THE GOVERNOR HAS PROPOSED, IF YOU DO BONDING, LET'S SAY YOU TAKE $800 MILLION AND YOU SPEND THAT OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AS HE HAS PROPOSED AND YOU BORROW ALL OF THAT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A REPAYMENT STREAM OVER THE NEXT TWENTY YEARS. AND IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE ABOUT $1.2 TO $1.4 BILLION, SO YOU NEED $70,000 A YEAR TO REPAY THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY YOU'RE GOING TO BORROW. SO YOU SPEND IT IN FIVE. AND WE ALL KNOW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS NOT GOING TO STOP AT FIVE YEARS. YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST NOT GOING TO WORK. SO IF YOU TAKE THAT MONEY, YOU SPEND IT IN FIVE YEARS, YOU PAY IT FOR THE NEXT TWENTY, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BEYOND THAT? THAT'S WHY WE HAVE COME UP WITH THE IDEA OF TAX CREDITS WHICH, ONE, DOESN'T COST ANYBODY ANYTHING UNLESS THERE'S A JOB CREATED AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU TAKE -- WELL, WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED, YOU TAKE A WAGE -- LET'S SAY THE JOB PAYS -- I DON'T CARE, LET'S SAY $30,000 A YEAR. YOU SPREAD THAT TAX CREDIT OUT OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, WHICH WOULD BE $6,000 A YEAR FOR FIVE YEARS. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S SUSTAINABLE LONG TERM. I THINK IT WILL BE A COMBINATION OF THE TWO, SOME DOLLARS UP FRONT. BUT I THINK BONDING FOR $800 MILLION IS NOT GOING TO FLY AT ALL.

Yepsen: SENATOR, THAT LEADS ME BACK TO THE CIGARETTE TAX.

Iverson: YEAH.

Yepsen: TO DO TAX CREDITS MEANS THE STATE IS GOING TO FORGO REVENUE. NOW, EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE REVENUE COMING IN, IT'S STILL PRETTY TIGHT FOR THE LEGISLATURE. IS RAISING THE CIGARETTE TAX A WORTHWHILE IDEA JUST TO GET SOME MORE MONEY TO DO SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS THAT MAY NOT BE RELATED TO HEALTH CARE OR ANYTHING BUT JUST BECAUSE DOWN THE ROAD YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO NEED SOME MORE MONEY?

Iverson: AND THAT'S A LEGITIMATE ARGUMENT. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. THE BIGGEST THING I SAY THAT WE AT LEAST OUGHT TO BE UP FRONT. TELL PEOPLE WE'RE GOING TO USE IT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR TELL THEM WE'RE GOING TO USE IT FOR EDUCATION OR TELL THEM WE'RE GOING TO -- DON'T TELL PEOPLE WE'RE GOING TO USE IT FOR MEDICAID BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ACCURATE. AND THAT'S THE PART THAT BOTHERS ME BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SOLD UP TO THIS POINT AS WE NEED IT FOR MEDICAID, AND WE'VE CLEARLY SHOWN THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

Yepsen: UNDER THE NEW RULES OF THE SENATE, YOU AS A REPUBLICAN LEADER AND MIKE GRONSTAL AS THE DEMOCRATIC LEADER, HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO JUST SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT BRINGING UP A BILL.

Iverson: MM-HMM.

Yepsen: WILL YOU USE THAT AUTHORITY TO KILL A CIGARETTE TAX?

Iverson: I HAVE BEEN VERY CAREFUL ABOUT IT. I'VE NOT SAID I'M GOING TO KILL ANYTHING YET, AND I HAVE NOT. AND THAT'S SOMETHING I TAKE VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY. AND, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE TODAY AND SAY, YES, I WILL, OR, NO, I WON'T, BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE SURROUNDING THE ENTIRE THING BEFORE I WOULD MAKE A CALL LIKE THAT.

Yepsen: AND I KNOW HOW YOU PERSONALLY FEEL ABOUT THE CIGARETTE TAX BUT I ALSO -- PUT YOUR POLITICAL HAT ON HERE. THE GOVERNOR WANTS AN 80-CENT INCREASE. YOU'RE SITTING THERE AT ZERO. ISN'T THE MIDDLE GROUND THAT IOWANS ARE LIKELY TO SEE IS PROBABLY ABOUT A 30-, 40-CENT-A-PACK INCREASE?

Iverson: I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION. IF YOU BELIEVE IN COMPROMISES -- AND EVERYTHING HAS TO COMPROMISE -- BUT I THINK THE THING WE HAVE TO REMEMBER IS SOMETIMES A COMPROMISE ISN'T WORTH DOING. SEE, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. AND I BELIEVE ANY TAX INCREASE IS NOT THE WAY TO GO.

Glover: ISN'T THAT THE PROBLEM THAT THIS SENATE HAS RUN INTO, PARTICULARLY THIS YEAR? THE SENATE IS TIED AS 25/25, AS WE'VE SAID OFTEN. AND COMING INTO THIS SESSION, EVERYBODY SAID WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND A MIDDLE GROUND, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND A COMPROMISE. YET ON EVERY TOUGH ISSUE THAT'S COME UP, SOMEBODY HAS JUST SIMPLY SAID NO.

Iverson: WELL, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE BEING WORKED ON. AND THE BIGGEST THING IS THE COMMITTEE CHAIRS, THOSE ARE THE FIRST PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO DECIDE THAT A BILL IS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD. AND IN SOME CASES THERE'S BILLS THAT HAVE BEEN MOVED FORWARD THAT OTHER PEOPLE MAY NOT NECESSARILY CARE FOR BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS. THEN IT GETS TO SENATOR GRONSTAL AND I TO MAKE THE DECISIONS. AND UP TO THIS POINT, I HAVE NOT USED MY VETO ON ANYTHING.

Borg: BACK TO THE VALUES FUND JUST BRIEFLY.

Iverson: YEAH.

Borg: CAN YOU STRUCTURE THAT OR DO YOU WANT TO, REPRESENTING A RURAL AREA, WANT TO STRUCTURE THAT TO HELP RURAL IOWA MORE THAN THE METROPOLITAN CITIES?

Iverson: WELL, I REPRESENT A RURAL AREA AND I'M FROM A RURAL AREA. BUT I ALSO REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, IF ANYTHING HAPPENS IN IOWA, IT HELPS ALL OF US. YOU KNOW, CAN YOU TAKE PART OF IT AND SET IT ASIDE AND SAY, ALL RIGHT, YOU NEED TO DO THIS AROUND THE STATE INSTEAD OF JUST THE URBAN AREAS? YOU CAN DO SOME OF THAT, BUT I THINK WE ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS IN POLK COUNTY OR IN LINN COUNTY WITH CEDAR RAPIDS OR IN DUBUQUE OR SIOUX CITY OR THE QUAD CITIES OR IN COUNCIL BLUFFS, IT ALSO HELPS US IN THE RURAL AREAS. AND THAT'S WHAT I TELL PEOPLE. AND WE HAVE SOME FOLKS THAT, NO, IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN MY DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT IT. BUT I THINK IT'S A COMBINATION. I MEAN WE KNOW THAT -- YOU KNOW, I'M FROM DOWS, IOWA. I KNOW THAT SOMEBODY IS NOT GOING TO GO OUT THERE AND PUT SOMETHING UP THAT'S GOING TO EMPLOY, YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND PEOPLE. I MEAN THAT'S BIGGER THAN THE TOWN. I MEAN I HAVE TO BE REALISTIC HERE. BUT I THINK IT DOES HELP US OVERALL. SO I THINK IT'S A COMBINATION. AND SOME THINGS MAY BE A BETTER FIT IN THE METRO AREAS, AND SOME THINGS MAY BE A BETTER FIT IN THE RURAL AREAS.

Yepsen: SENATOR, ONE OF THE THINGS THE IOWA SENATE ALWAYS HAS TO DO IS TO CONFIRM OR REJECT APPOINTEES THAT THE GOVERNOR HAS NAMED.

Iverson: I'M SHOCKED IT TOOK YOU THIS LONG TO GET TO THAT.

Yepsen: WHICH ONES ARE IN TROUBLE?

Iverson: THE ONLY ONE RIGHT TODAY THAT IS NOT GOING TO GET CONFIRMED IS WAYNE SAWTELL --

Yepsen: THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

Iverson: -- TO THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. WE THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT POSITION, AND MANY OF OUR MEMBERS FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, HE'S NOT QUALIFIED, HASN'T SPENT ENOUGH TIME WORKING IN THAT AREA, SO -- I KNOW THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT THAT TOO.

Yepsen: ISN'T IT ALSO TRUE THAT HE RAN AGAINST SENATOR MCKIBBEN, ONE OF YOUR MEMBERS IN THE LAST ELECTION, A CLOSE RACE? ARE REPUBLICANS JUST PLAYING A LITTLE SOUR GRAPES HERE?

Iverson: NO, I DON'T THINK SO. WE LOOK AT EVERYBODY INDIVIDUALLY. WE'VE GOT SOME MORE PEOPLE COMING ALONG THAT ARE GOING TO NEED CONFIRMATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DISCUSS. MY RESPONSE HAS BEEN -- WHEN I BECAME MAJORITY LEADER NINE YEARS AGO, I SAID THE WAY THE PROCESS WORKED IN THE SENATE WAS DEPLORABLE BEFORE, AND WE'VE CHANGED THAT. AND MY RESPONSIBILITY WHEN THE VOTES AREN'T THERE, TO GO AND TELL THE GOVERNOR, WHICH I'VE DONE.

Yepsen: ALL RIGHT. SO WAYNE SAWTELL GOES DOWN. WHAT ABOUT THE NEW REGENTS? THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF NEW APPOINTMENTS TO THE STATE BOARD OF REGENTS. SOME TALKED THAT RUTH HARKIN WOULD BE OPPOSED BY REPUBLICANS. DO YOU EXPECT ALL OF THE GOVERNOR'S NEW REGENTS APPOINTMENTS TO BE CONFIRMED?

Iverson: I THINK IT'S TOO EARLY TO TELL. I THINK THAT FIRST PEOPLE -- YOU KNOW, RUTH HARKIN WAS IN THE OTHER DAY AND TALKED TO THE EDUCATION COMMITTEE. AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM CAME ACROSS WITH DIFFERENT IDEAS, AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT THOUGHTS THAN THEY HAD BEFORE. I THINK WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S TIME THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS -- AND THEY MAY START AS EARLY AS NEXT WEEK -- ALL RIGHT, WHERE ARE ALL OF YOU ON THESE VARIOUS APPOINTMENTS? MICHAEL GARTNER IS ANOTHER ONE. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF TURMOIL IN THE REGENTS, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS THERE.

Glover: I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY CONCERTED OPPOSITION TO ANY OF THE NEW APPOINTEES AT THE BOARD OF REGENTS. AM I JUST MISSING IT?

Iverson: NO. NO, THERE WAS NOT A CONCERTED EFFORT TO SAY THIS PERSON CAN'T MAKE IT OR THAT PERSON CAN'T MAKE IT. BUT WE AS INDIVIDUALS HAVE TO GO IN AND DECIDE, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE FEEL, DO WE THINK THIS PERSON WOULD BE GOOD OR NOT BE GOOD, AND THEN THOSE DECISIONS MADE. AND MY JOB IS TO COUNT WHERE EVERYBODY IS AT.

Glover: AND THERE'S BEEN A SUGGESTION THAT PART OF THE TURMOIL IN THE BOARD OF REGENTS WAS BECAUSE THE REGENTS UNDER REGENT FORSYTH HAD MOVED TO EXERCISE SOME TIGHTER CONTROL OVER THE UNIVERSITIES AND THE UNIVERSITIES WERE REBELLING AGAINST THAT, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK IN THE LEGISLATURE ABOUT THE LEGISLATURE IS GOING TO STEP IN AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS OVERSIGHT CONTINUES. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THAT? I HAVEN'T HEARD MUCH ABOUT THAT RECENTLY.

Iverson: YOU KNOW, I'D SAY THE BIGGEST THING IS THAT'S GOING TO COME MORE FROM THE REGENTS THAN THE LEGISLATURE. THE REGENTS IS KIND OF THE BODY THAT OVERSEAS THE VARIOUS INSTITUTIONS. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THAT OVERSIGHT SHOULD COME FROM. I THINK IT MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT IF THE LEGISLATURE IS TRYING TO DO ALL OF THIS FROM OUR VANTAGE POINT. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S --

Glover: SO YOU DON'T SEE THE LEGISLATURE STEPPING IN.

Iverson: I DON'T, NO.

Yepsen: ONE ISSUE THE REGENTS HAVE PRESENTED THE LEGISLATURE WITH IS THE IDEA THERE MIGHT BE SOME KIND OF DEAL, THAT IN RETURN FOR HAVING TUITION INCREASES ABOUT AT THE RATE OF INFLATION, YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM AN EXTRA $40 MILLION. IS THAT DEAL GOING TO FLY? IS THAT IDEA GOING TO FLY?

Iverson: I TALKED TO JOHN FORSYTH ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, WAY BEFORE SESSION STARTED. AND I TOLD HIM -- I SAID, "I LIKE THE CONCEPT OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING. IF YOU WILL GET 40 MILLION, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO TRIM 20 MILLION AND SHIFT AROUND AND GET IT IN VARIOUS PLACES." BUT I SAID IT'S GOING TO BOIL DOWN TO HOW MANY DOLLARS WE HAVE TO WORK WITH. RIGHT NOW THE PLAN THAT -- THE BUDGET PLAN DOES NOT INCLUDE $40 MILLION FOR REGENTS.

Glover: IT DOES IN FACT INCLUDE $40 MILLION FOR ALL OF EDUCATION?

Iverson: WELL, THAT'S ON TOP OF ALLOWABLE GROWTH --

Glover: RIGHT.

Iverson: -- WHICH THAT WOULD BE $140 MILLION.

Yepsen: SENATOR, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS THE PAC MAN OF THE STATE BUDGET IS MEDICAID. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT OUT HERE, THE HEALTH CARE PLAN FOR THE POOR. ASIDE FROM THE ISSUE OF JUST COMING UP WITH MORE MONEY FOR IT, DO REPUBLICANS IN THE IOWA LEGISLATURE HAVE ANY IDEA FOR CHANGES OR REFORMS OR CUTS OR GETTING RID OF PROGRAMS THAT COULD BE MADE TO THAT PROGRAM SO THAT YOU SAVE MONEY IN THE FUTURE YEARS?

Iverson: YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHY THIS GROUP WAS PUT TOGETHER LAST YEAR, YOU KNOW, TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING. WELL, THE GROUP CAME UP WITH -- IT WAS OCTOBER OR SOMETHING -- AND SAID WE CAN'T MAKE ANY MORE CUTS, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE MORE MONEY. AND I CAN'T SAY RIGHT NOW THAT REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO SAY, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO DO AWAY WITH THIS OPTIONAL SERVICE OR THAT OPTIONAL SERVICE. NO, WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN TO THAT POINT.

Yepsen: I'M THINKING OF REPUBLICANS IN FLORIDA, FOR EXAMPLE, HAVE SUGGESTED THAT YOU JUST GIVE POOR PEOPLE A CHUNK OF MONEY AND TELL THEM TO GO OUT AND BUY THEIR OWN HEALTH CARE ON THE OPEN MARKET. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S A GOOD IDEA OR NOT. I'M JUST CURIOUS, ARE THERE IDEAS LIKE THAT THAT REPUBLICANS IN IOWA WANT TO TRY TO DO TO GET A HANDLE ON THIS?

Iverson: WELL, I WILL SAY AT THIS POINT IN TIME, MAYBE THE HOUSE HAS TALKED ABOUT THAT. IN THE SENATE, WE HAVE NOT. I WILL SAY THAT --

Glover: SO WITH HEALTH CARE COSTS --

Iverson: -- BECAUSE THE BIGGEST THING AT 25/25, SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS NOT GOING TO MAKE IT THROUGH THE SENATE.

Yepsen: IS IT A FEDERAL DEAL?

Iverson: I THINK IT COULD BE A FEDERAL DEAL, BUT I THINK IT COULD ALSO BE A STATE DEAL WHERE WE COULD DO THAT. BUT WITH THE PRESENT MAKEUP OF THE SENATE, ABSOLUTELY NOT --

Glover: BUT IN THE RHETORIC IN THE RUNUP TO THIS SESSION, WHAT WE WERE ALL TOLD WAS THE SENATE IS 25/25; THAT MEANS THAT WE ARE FREE TO CAST ASIDE PARTISANSHIP AND ADDRESS SOME OF THESE BIGGER ISSUES. WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US NOW IS WITH HEALTH CARE COSTS GOING UP AT DOUBLE DIGITS EVERY YEAR, THE STATE IS JUST GOING TO COME UP WITH THAT EXTRA MONEY. THERE'S NO EFFORT TO TRY TO FIX IT.

Iverson: WELL, I THINK FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET ANY -- ENOUGH PEOPLE ON BOARD TO FIX IT, AS YOU SAY, BECAUSE THOSE ARE TOUGH DECISIONS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO MAKE.

Glover: AND ON ALMOST AS SERIOUS A TOPIC AS FIXING HEALTH CARE FOR POOR PEOPLE, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THE STATE'S DEER POPULATION?

Iverson: THERE IS A BILL THAT HAS MADE IT OUT OF STATE -- OR NATURAL RESOURCES ON THE FLOOR THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE GOING TO PASS. WE NEED TO EXPAND THE HUNTING, MAYBE THE TIME FACTOR, TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO HUNT MORE. SHOOTING DOES IS VERY IMPORTANT OVER BUCKS, YOU KNOW. AND I CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO GO HUNTING, I THINK BEFORE YOU SHOOT A BUCK, YOU HAVE TO SHOOT A DOE. AND LET ME TELL YOU -- AND I'VE HUNTED DEER FOR MANY YEARS. YOU SEE MANY MORE DOES THAN YOU DO BUCKS, AND IT'S MUCH EASIER TO SHOOT A DOE THAN A BUCK. AND PERSONALLY, I'VE NEVER SHOT A BUCK BECAUSE THE MEAT IS SO MUCH BETTER ON A DOE.

Yepsen: WHAT ABOUT DOVE HUNTING? THAT'S ALWAYS A PERENNIAL ISSUE IN THE LEGISLATURE?

Iverson: THAT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE THIS YEAR.

Yepsen: THIS DEER BILL, IS THAT GOING TO DO ANYTHING FOR URBAN DEER? I MEAN I REALIZE THE FARM INTEREST THAT YOU BOYS UP THERE HAVE TAKEN PRETTY GOOD CARE OF YOURSELVES IN THAT BILL IN GETTING RID OF DEER IN RURAL AREAS. WHAT'S IT GOING TO DO FOR THOSE OF US THAT LIVE IN URBAN AREAS?

Iverson: YOU HAVE TO TALK TO YOUR CITY COUNCILS BECAUSE WE CAN'T COME INTO THE CITY LIMITS AND SAY THAT YOU CAN HAVE SPECIAL HUNTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THE CITY COUNCIL HAS TO DEAL WITH. WE CAN'T DEAL WITH THAT BY THE CODE. GO THROUGH THE DNR.

Yepsen: ON A MORE SERIOUS NOTE, SENATOR, ONE OF THE BIG PROBLEMS IN IOWA IS METHAMPHETAMINE.

Iverson: MM-HMM.

Yepsen: WHAT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IS THIS LEGISLATURE GOING TO DO TO CURB METHAMPHETAMINE?

Iverson: YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I MEAN THE SENATE HAS PASSED A BILL. IT'S OVER IN THE HOUSE NOW. THE HOUSE MADE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES. IN COMMITTEE, IT'S OUT. YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO END UP DOING ON THE FLOOR, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN THERE WILL BE A METH BILL BEFORE THE SESSION IS OVER, AND IT WILL HAVE SUBSTANTIAL THINGS IN IT. AS A MATTER OF FACT, EITHER VERSION, EITHER WHAT THE HOUSE PASSED OR MAY PASS OR THE SENATE HAS ALREADY PASSED QUITE CONCEIVABLY COULD BE THE MOST STRICT IN THE NATION.

Glover: AND IT WOULDN'T BE AN OFFICIAL IOWA PRESS SHOW IF WE DIDN'T TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT POLITICS, SO LET'S START TALKING ABOUT THE POLITICS ABOUT METHAMPHETAMINE. A REPUBLICAN OF FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL STATURE LAST WEEK TOLD ME THAT REPUBLICANS JUST DON'T GET THIS METH ISSUE. THEY KEEP WORRYING ABOUT GROCERY STORES AND CONVENIENCE STORES. IN FACT, THE PEOPLE IN THE STATE, THE ARGUMENT WAS MADE TO ME, WANT THE TOUGHEST METH BILL POSSIBLE. DO REPUBLICANS GET METH -- THE POLITICS OF METH?

Iverson: YES, WE DO. AS YOU SAW, THE BILL CAME OUT OF THE SENATE 50 TO 0, AND THAT WAS BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS. NOW, IT BECAME MORE CONTENTIOUS OVER IN THE HOUSE, BUT IN THE SENATE I THOUGHT WE PASSED A PRETTY GOOD BILL. AND LIKE I SAY, IT WAS 50 TO 0. IF THE REPUBLICANS DIDN'T GET IT, THE DEMOCRATS MUST NOT HAVE GOTTEN IT EITHER, OR WE BOTH GOT IT BECAUSE WE CAME UP WITH A BILL THAT BOTH SIDES WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORTED. WHEN THE BILL PASSES 50 TO 0, THAT'S A PRETTY STRONG SIGNAL THAT WE'RE ALL GETTING IT.

Yepsen: SPEAKING OF GROCERY STORES, WILL THIS LEGISLATURE DO ANYTHING TO THE BOTTLE BILL?

Iverson: YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I KNOW THERE'S PEOPLE WORKING ON THE BOTTLE BILL. YOU KNOW, I CAN'T TELL YOU RIGHT NOW IF ANYTHING IS GOING TO MAKE IT OUT OF COMMITTEE OR NOT. I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE WORKING ON IT.

Borg: WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO?

Iverson: WELL THAT'S A -- THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO WANT TO JUST INCREASE THE HANDLING FEE. WE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE WHO WANT TO EXPAND IT. WE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT IT AT ALL. AND WE TRIED A FEW YEARS AGO, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO BRING FOLKS TOGETHER. WE KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET A HUNDRED PERCENT CONSENSUS ON THIS, BUT A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN WE TRIED IT, WE COULDN'T GET ENOUGH PEOPLE AT THE TABLE TO MAKE ANYTHING WORK. AND I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S AT IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW, OTHER THAN I KNOW PEOPLE ARE MEETING AND TALKING ABOUT IT.

Yepsen: AND DEAN MENTIONED IN THE OPEN, THE IDEA OF TAX REFORM --

Iverson: MM-HMM.

Yepsen: -- CHANGES TO THE INCOME TAX, CHANGES IN PROPERTY TAX. WHAT'S GOING TO COME OF THOSE ISSUES?

Iverson: I THINK THE PROPERTY TAX IS PROBABLY THE ONE THAT'S GOT THE BIGGEST MOMENTUM RIGHT NOW. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF PROPOSALS OUT THERE. AND THE ONE THING THAT YOU'VE SEEN THIS YEAR OVER PREVIOUS YEARS, THERE'S A LOT MORE IDEAS OUT THERE. AND I THINK THAT'S GOOD. YOU KNOW, YOU OR I CAN CRITICIZE MIKE FOR HIS IDEA IF WE DON'T LIKE IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T LIKE IT, THEN WHY DON'T WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING? AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE PROPOSALS OUT THERE ON PROPERTY TAX, RESTRUCTURING THAT, AND I THINK THERE'S A VERY GOOD LIKELIHOOD THAT THAT CAN GO FORWARD. IT'S ALWAYS EASY TO JUST CRITICIZE BUT NOT COME UP WITH SOMETHING, SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WITH THESE IDEAS OUT THERE, I THINK THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD LIKELIHOOD THAT SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN.

Glover: AND THE SENATE IS 25/25 BECAUSE YOU LOST FOUR SEATS IN THE LAST ELECTION. WHAT MESSAGE DO YOU TAKE FROM THAT?

Iverson: IN IOWA, WHEN I LOOK AT IT -- AND I'VE GONE BACK AND ANALYZED ALL THESE RACES. THEY GO BACK TO INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS.

Glover: SO YOU JUST HAD BAD CANDIDATES?

Iverson: I CAN'T SAY WE HAD BAD CANDIDATES. I THINK THAT A COMBINATION OF THINGS -- I THINK, QUITE FRANKLY, I WILL SAY I THINK THE DEMOCRATS WERE MORE HUNGRY THAN -- HAD A BETTER DESIRE THAN WE DID IN SOME OF THESE CASES. WE HAD A CASE WHERE THE CANDIDATE WORKED VERY, VERY HARD AND THERE WERE OTHER THINGS THAT ENTERED INTO IT. BUT I THINK OVERALL IT SENDS ME THE MESSAGE THAT WE'VE GOT TO HAVE CANDIDATES OUT THERE THAT ARE WILLING TO WORK HARD, GET THEIR MESSAGE OUT, AND DO EVERYTHING THAT IT TAKES TO WIN BECAUSE IN SOME OF THESE RACES, QUITE FRANKLY, WE SHOULD NOT HAVE LOST.

Glover: WELL, TRANSLATE THAT INTO THE NEXT ELECTION. DOES THAT ALL BOIL DOWN TO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO IS TRY TO RECRUIT BETTER CANDIDATES? ARE YOU GOING TO TRY TO WORK ON YOUR MESSAGE? WHAT ARE YOU TAKING TO THE NEXT ELECTION?

Iverson: I THINK, YES, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO RECRUIT BETTER CANDIDATES. THE MESSAGE I THINK WAS GOOD. I MEAN PRESIDENT BUSH WON IOWA.

Glover: RIGHT.

Iverson: ALL THE CONGRESSIONAL PEOPLE WON. SO I DON'T THINK IT SAYS THE PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE REPUBLICAN IDEAS OR DIDN'T LIKE DEMOCRAT IDEAS. I THINK A LOT OF IT JUST GOES BACK TO THE INDIVIDUAL CANDIDATES. I TRULY BELIEVE THAT. IOWANS ARE VERY INDEPENDENT. I MEAN CHUCK GRASSLEY WON IOWA VERY HANDEDLY. AND I THINK IT GOES BACK TO THE INDIVIDUAL CANDIDATES, AND THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO FOCUS.

Yepsen: SENATOR, I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF THE SHOW WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT WHETHER THIS LEGISLATURE WAS GOING TO DO MUCH OR NOT. NOT MUCH HAS HAPPENED SO FAR. IS THAT JUST A FUNCTION OF IT STILL BEING EARLY IN THE SESSION EVEN THOUGH WE'RE ALMOST AT MIDPOINT, OR DO YOU THINK THE LEGISLATURE WILL GRIDLOCK AT SOME POINT?

Iverson: YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE GRIDLOCK, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE OVER THE BUDGET: HOW MUCH SPENDING DO WE DO? BUT AT THIS POINT IN THE SESSION, LIKE I SAY, EVERY SINGLE YEAR SINCE I'VE BEEN THERE, IT'S ALWAYS A DO-NOTHING SESSION. I HAVEN'T HEARD IT FROM THE OTHER PARTY IN THE SENATE YET BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST AS RESPONSIBLE AS WE ARE. AND SO IT'S A SHARED THING. BUT, NO, I THINK BY THE TIME WE'RE DONE, I DON'T THINK IOWANS ARE LOOKING FOR US TO UPSET THE WHOLE APPLE CART AND ALL OF A SUDDEN JUST START GOING A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. I THINK MOST IOWANS FEEL THAT WE ARE GOING THE RIGHT DIRECTION. AND DO WE NEED TO CHANGE SOME THINGS? YES. I THINK THE VALUES FUND AND OUR IDEAS THERE ARE WORTHWHILE, AND I THINK WE'LL GET THERE.

Yepsen: WE'VE ONLY GOT FIFTEEN SECONDS LEFT. AT THE END OF THE SESSION, WHAT'S THIS LEGISLATURE GOING TO BE KNOWN FOR?

Iverson: I THINK THE BIGGEST THING I'VE ALWAYS LOOKED FOR AND TO BE KNOWN FOR: HAVE WE DONE A DECENT JOB OF SPENDING TAXPAYERS MONEY, AND HAVE WE MOVED THE STATE FORWARD?

Borg: WHAT'S THE MOST CONTENTIOUS ITEM IN THAT NEW BUDGET?

Iverson: THE SPENDING, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY, IN EDUCATION.

Borg: IN EDUCATION. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.

Iverson: YOU BET.

Borg: AS I INDICATED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROGRAM, SENATOR IVERSON IS THE REPUBLICAN LEADER IN THE IOWA SENATE. HIS COUNTERPART, DEMOCRAT MIKE GRONSTAL OF COUNCIL BLUFFS, WILL BE ON OUR NEXT EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS." AND PLEASE NOTE THAT FITS INTO OUR FESTIVAL SPECIAL PROGRAMMING. "IOWA PRESS" WITH SENATOR GRONSTAL AIRS AN HOUR EARLIER AT 6:30 NEXT FRIDAY, MARCH 11. I HOPE YOU'LL WATCH. I'M DEAN BORG. THANKS FOR JOINING US TODAY.


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