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Reporters' Roundtable

posted on June 8, 2005

Borg: CONFLICT TO COMPROMISE. WHO WON... WHO LOST IN IOWA'S NEW BUDGET? IS A POLITICAL PRICE COMING DUE? IOWA STATEHOUSE REPORTERS ANALYZE THE JUST-ADJOURNED LEGISLATIVE SESSION ON THIS EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS."

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ON STATEWIDE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION, THIS IS THE FRIDAY, MAY 27 EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS." HERE IS DEAN BORG.

Borg: THE BIGGEST SHOW OF UNANIMITY WHEN IOWA LEGISLATORS FINALLY CLOSED THIS GENERAL ASSEMBLY WAS BOTH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS PRAISING WHAT HAD BEEN ACCOMPLISHED, AND THAT INCLUDED GOVERNOR TOM VILSACK. THE PRAISE WAS IN SHARP CONTRAST TO THE SHARP CONFRONTATION BETWEEN REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS, BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE, AND BETWEEN THE GOVERNOR AND SOME LEGISLATIVE LEADERS AS THE SESSION STRETCHED THREE WEEKS BEYOND ITS SCHEDULED ADJOURNMENT. OF COURSE, SOME ISSUES WILL CARRY OVER INTO NEXT YEAR, AND THAT RAISES OBVIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DURABILITY OF THE COMPROMISING SPIRIT THAT ENDED THIS YEAR'S SESSION, ESPECIALLY IN AN ELECTION YEAR. HERE TO DISCUSS WHAT HAPPENED, HOW IT HAPPENED, AND WHAT'S LIKELY TO HAPPEN ARE STATEHOUSE JOURNALISTS: DAVID YEPSEN, "DES MOINES REGISTER" POLITICAL COLUMNIST; "RADIO IOWA" NEWS DIRECTOR KAY HENDERSON; "ASSOCIATED PRESS" SENIOR POLITICAL WRITER MIKE GLOVER; AND IOWA PUBLIC RADIO STATEHOUSE CORRESPONDENT JOYCE RUSSELL. AND, JOYCE, THE OBVIOUS QUESTION IS, IS ALL THE HYPE JUSTIFIED. YOU KNOW, WE CAME UP TO THAT LAST COMPROMISE IN THE FINAL WEEK, AND IT WAS INTRANSIGENCE. ALL OF A SUDDEN COMPROMISE AND EVERYBODY SAYS, BOY, WHAT A GREAT SESSION.

Russell: WELL, THERE WERE SOME VERY HARD FOUGHT BUDGET BATTLES AT THE END OF THE SESSION, AS WELL THERE SHOULD BE BECAUSE THE BUDGET THAT THEY PASSED SETS UP SOME BIG SPENDING PROBLEMS FOR NEXT YEAR. ALSO THAT LINE-IN-THE-SAND THING THAT YOU SEE AT THE END OF THE SESSION, THAT'S PART OF CLOSING DOWN IN ANY SESSION. BUT IN THE END THEY DID PASS SOME VERY SIGNIFICANT LEGISLATION: TOUGH ANTI-CRIME MEASURES FOR METHAMPHETAMINE AND SEX OFFENDERS; THEY BEGAN TO BRING EDUCATION SPENDING BACK TO THE LEVELS OF 1991; NEW SPENDING FOR EARLY CHILDHOOD; AND LOVE IT OR HATE IT, THEY INCREASED THE SPEED LIMIT.

Borg: KAY, THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU, AND I'LL PHRASE IT JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. IS THERE A POLITICAL PRICE TO BE PAID AND SO, THEREFORE, IT'S BEST TO COME OUT OF THE SESSION PUTTING THE BEST FACE ON POLITICALLY PAINFUL DECISIONS?

Henderson: SURE IT IS. AND I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT WHATEVER THEY DID THIS YEAR, VOTERS REALLY WON'T REMEMBER NEXT YEAR WHEN THEY GO TO THE POLLS. VOTERS ARE GOING TO REMEMBER WHAT THEY DO IN THE SESSION OF 2006. WHEN I REFLECT BACK ON THIS SESSION, I'M SORT OF REMINDED ABOUT WHAT MRS. ROGERS, MY HIGH SCHOOL PHYSICS TEACHER, TAUGHT ME, WHICH WAS SOMETHING AT REST TENDS TO STAY AT REST AND SOMETHING IN MOTION TENDS TO STAY IN MOTION. WHEN THEY GOT THINGS IN MOTION ON THE METH BILL THAT JOYCE MENTIONED, ON THE SEX OFFENDER CRACKDOWN THAT SHE MENTIONED AS WELL, THINGS REALLY MOVED. THINGS REALLY MOVED THROUGH THAT EVENLY DIVIDED LEGISLATURE. BUT WHEN THERE WAS INTRANSIGENCE, AS YOU SAID EARLIER AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROGRAM, THINGS REALLY GROUND TO A HALT AND IT REALLY REQUIRED A HUGE LEVER. AND IN THIS INSTANCE, THAT LEVER WAS GOVERNOR TOM VILSACK. HE HAD TO STEP IN AND BE THE CATALYST FOR ENDING THE SESSION.

Glover: DEAN, WHAT YOU HAD HERE I THINK WAS AT THE END OF THE DAY -- WHEN YOU HAVE AS NARROWLY DIVIDED A LEGISLATURE AS YOU HAVE IN THIS LEGISLATURE, AT THE END OF THE DAY EVERYBODY HAS SOME INVESTMENT IN WHAT THIS LEGISLATURE DOES. YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN THIS LEGISLATURE WHO ARE RUNNING FOR HIGHER OFFICE. YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN THIS LEGISLATURE WHO ARE RUNNING FOR LEADERSHIP. YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN THIS LEGISLATURE WHO ARE RUNNING FOR REELECTION. THEY'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO VOTERS AND SAY HERE'S WHAT WE DID. SO THERE'S AN INHERENT NEED TO COME OUT OF THIS LEGISLATURE SAYING WE DID SOMETHING AND IT'S A BIPARTISAN DEAL. REPUBLICANS HAVE TO DO IT. DEMOCRATS HAVE TO DO IT. YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GO TO VOTERS AND SAY HERE'S WHAT I ACCOMPLISHED.

Borg: DO YOU THINK THAT PRODUCED A BETTER PRODUCT?

Glover: I THINK IT PRODUCED THE PRODUCT THAT THEY PRODUCED. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S BETTER OR GOOD OR WORSE. I DON'T KNOW. BUT IT LED THIS LEGISLATURE TO FIGHT TOOTH AND NAIL TO COME UP WITH SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT -- AND I THINK JOYCE IS RIGHT; THERE WERE SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT THINGS ACCOMPLISHED. AND IT MADE IT DIFFICULT TO GET THERE, BUT IT MADE IT MANDATORY THAT THEY GET THERE.

Yepsen: I THINK THEY BEAT THE EXPECTATIONS THAT ALL OF US HAD GOING INTO THE SESSION, WHICH WAS DIVIDED GOVERNMENT, THEY'RE GOING TO GRIDLOCK. INSTEAD THEY DID A LITTLE LOGROLLING. AS JOYCE MENTIONED, THOUGH, THEY SPENT A LOT OF MONEY. AND IT'S REAL EASY TO SOLVE PROBLEMS WHEN YOU GIVE YOU SOME, GIVE ME SOME, YOU KNOW. BUT YOU HAVE A SPENDING SITUATION HERE OF 7.5 PERCENT. REVENUES WILL NOT BE THAT GOOD. THEY ACCOMPLISHED THAT BY DIPPING INTO RESERVE FUNDS. THEY HAVE ABOUT A 12-PERCENT INCREASE BUILT INTO THEIR BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR. AND I HEAR A LOT OF MEMBERS, INCLUDING A LOT OF DEMOCRATS, WHO SAY THAT THIS WAS A CATCH-UP YEAR. WE HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS IN IOWA. WE HAD TO COVER TEACHER SALARIES, THING LIKE THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN CHEATED IN RECENT YEARS. SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A DIFFICULT SPENDING TIME NEXT YEAR.

Borg: WELL, LITERALLY, THEN, I WAS SAYING POLITICAL PRICE TO BE PAID -- AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE YOU COMMENT ON THAT -- BUT ALSO, IS THERE A LITERAL PRICE TO BE PAID FOR DOING WHAT THEY DID, THEN?

Yepsen: YES. THEY CAN KEEP THEIR FINGERS CROSSED AND HOPE THE TAX REVENUES WILL CONTINUE TO COME IN AT A BETTER-THAN-EXPECTED RATE. THAT WILL HELP WITH SOME OF THEIR PROBLEM. WE MAY FORCE A DEBATE ON THE CIGARETTE TAX. BUT LOOK, THEY DID SOLVE PROBLEMS, DEAN. IT WAS BETTER THAN WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT. MEDICAID -- WE'VE MENTIONED THEM: SEX OFFENDER, METHAMPHETAMINE; THESE ARE THINGS PEOPLE WANTED DONE. I THINK IOWANS TEND TO REWARD INCUMBENTS WHO GET THE JOB DONE.

Glover: BUT THERE WAS A LOT THAT CAME INTO THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT. THERE WAS A LOT OF STUFF THAT WAS ON THE TABLE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SESSION THAT'S OFF THE TABLE, AND IT'S GOING TO BE EVEN MORE DIFFICULT TO ACCOMPLISH. I'M THINKING OF THE GOVERNOR'S PROPOSAL TO END FEDERAL DEDUCTABILITY AND USE THAT MONEY TO REVAMP THE TAX SYSTEM. I'M THINKING OF PROPERTY TAX, ALL THOSE MAJOR THINGS THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN THIS YEAR THAT WERE TOO TOUGH FOR THIS LEGISLATURE THIS YEAR. I THINK NEXT YEAR, IN AN ELECTION YEAR, NOT ONLY AN ELECTION YEAR BUT A GUBERNATORIAL ELECTION YEAR, AN ELECTION YEAR WHEN AN EVENLY DIVIDED LEGISLATURE IS ON THE BALLOT AND WE'VE GOT THE BEGINNING OF A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, IT'S GOING TO BE EVEN MORE DIFFICULT NEXT YEAR TO DEAL WITH THOSE THINGS.

Yepsen: WELL, AND TAX REFORM, PARTICULARLY, IS A DIFFICULT ISSUE FOR A SPLIT LEGISLATURE. YOU'VE GOT DEMOCRATIC IDEAS FOR SOLVING TAX PROBLEMS: ELIMINATE FEDERAL DEDUCTABILITY. YOU'VE GOT REPUBLICAN IDEAS FOR SOLVING TAX PROBLEMS: GO TO A FLAT TAX. IT'S DIFFICULT TO MAKE A COMPROMISE. AND ON PROPERTY TAX QUESTIONS, THEY REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE.

Glover: AND YOU HAD -- WHAT HAPPENED THIS YEAR WAS YOU HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A WHAT DAVE MENTIONED WAS LOGROLLING: OKAY, YOU WANT TO SPEND THIS MONEY FOR THIS; YOU WANT TO SPEND THIS MONEY FOR THAT; I'LL TELL YOU WHAT... WE'LL SPEND THIS MONEY FOR YOURS, AND YOU GIVE ME THIS FOR MINE. THAT'S FINE FOR A SPENDING PROGRAM. YOU CAN'T DO THAT IN TAX REFORM. YOU CAN'T ELIMINATE FEDERAL DEDUCTABILITY USING THE MONEY TO LOWER RATES AND GO TO A FLAT TAX. THEY'RE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

Borg: JOYCE, THAT BEGS THE QUESTION THEN -- THE CIGARETTE TAX MIKE HAS JUST MENTIONED, THAT WAS SAID BY MANY IN ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSIONS IN EARLIER PROGRAMS THIS YEAR, SAID TO BE KEY TO THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION IN SOLVING THE BUDGET IMPASSE. IN THE END THERE WAS NO INCREASE IN IOWA'S TAX ON CIGARETTES. DOES THAT MAKE IT EASIER, THEN, TO SOLVE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MIKE HAS MENTIONED HERE AS NEEDING MONEY, BECAUSE THERE IS A POTENTIAL REVENUE SOURCE STILL OUT THERE WAITING TO BE TAPPED?

Russell: WELL, IT'S STILL A POTENTIAL REVENUE SOURCE. IT DIDN'T MAKE IT PAST THIS LEGISLATURE, IN LARGE PART BECAUSE OF OPPOSITION FROM REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP IN THE HOUSE. I DON'T REALLY SEE THAT CHANGING NEXT YEAR. IT WAS CLEAR THIS YEAR THAT THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF INTEREST AMONG RANK AND FILE LAWMAKERS TO RAISE THE CIGARETTE TAX. IT WAS A VERY INTERESTING BIPARTISAN VOTE WHEN IT PASSED THE SENATE. SO I GUESS IT'S STILL OUT THERE. GOVERNOR VILSACK HAS SAID THAT HEALTH INTERESTS AND OTHERS WHO WANT TO RAISE CIGARETTES TAXES FOR POLICY REASONS NOT FOR FISCAL REASONS, THEY NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB. AND IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHETHER THEY'RE AROUND NEXT YEAR, AND A LITTLE MORE VISIBLE. THEY WERE PRETTY VISIBLE THIS YEAR, THOUGH.

Yepsen: I THINK THE VOTES WERE THERE TO PASS A CIGARETTE TAX INCREASE. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STOPPED A LOT OF REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE FROM RAISING IT WAS HAD THEY RAISED IT, THEY KNOW IT WOULD HAVE GOTTEN SPENT. AND GOING BACK TO WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, IF REVENUES AREN'T GOOD NEXT YEAR, THEY'RE GOING TO NEED THAT CIGARETTE TAX REVENUE TO BALANCE THEIR BUDGET NEXT YEAR. BETTER TO WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR.

Glover: AND IN PART I THINK WHAT HAPPENED THIS YEAR -- AND IT'S A VERY INTERNAL, ARCANE KIND OF A THING -- IT BECAME A LEADERSHIP FIGHT. THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE AND THE MAJORITY LEADER OF THE HOUSE, CHRIS RANTS AND CHUCK GIPP, WERE OPPOSED TO THE CIGARETTE TAX. A GOOD FAIR NUMBER OF THEIR MEMBERS WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR IT, HAD IT COME TO A VOTE. THEY TOOK A LINE IN THE SAND TO BLOCK IT TO STAND IN THE WAY FOR INTERNAL LEADERSHIP, TO PROVE THEIR LEADERSHIP ABILITY. SO IT BECAME A TEST OF THEIR LEADERSHIP ABILITY, AND IT WILL BE A TEST OF THEIR LEADERSHIP ABILITY NEXT SESSION. SO I CAN TELL YOU WHAT, IT'S NOT GOING TO PASS NEXT YEAR EITHER.

Yepsen: EXCUSE ME, DEAN, BUT A LOT OF REPUBLICANS PROMISED NOT TO RAISE TAXES. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THOSE OF US WHO THINK IT'S WORTH POLITICIANS KEEPING THEIR PROMISES. PEOPLE CAN SAY THE POLLS ARE FOR RAISING THE CIGARETTE TAX, BUT THE POLLS ARE FOR A DEATH PENALTY TOO. SO I THINK A LOT OF REPUBLICANS ARE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO KEEP OUR PROMISE, AT LEAST THIS YEAR.

Borg: KAY, MIKE RAISES THAT POINT OF LEGISLATIVE LEADERS IN THE HOUSE, RANTS AND GIPP, JUST ASSERTING THEIR LEADERSHIP IN OPPOSING THE CIGARETTE TAX AND SAYING, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE ON THAT. AND IN THE END THEY DID NOT GIVE. AS I LOOKED AT THIS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, I THOUGHT A PUNY LITTLE RAISE IN THE CIGARETTE TAX AND SO MUCH IS BEING MADE OUT OF THIS. HOW MUCH -- WAS IT BECAUSE OF THE POLITICAL CAPITAL THAT WAS BEING SPENT ON THIS?

Henderson: SURE IT WAS BECAUSE OF THAT, AND IT WAS ALSO BECAUSE OF WHAT DAVID SAID EARLIER. THEY MAY NEED TO RAISE THE CIGARETTE TAX NEXT YEAR BECAUSE THEY HAVE DUG THEMSELVES A HUGE HOLE AND THEY MAY NEED THAT MONEY. THEY MAY NEED MORE THAN 36-CENTS-A-PACK INCREASE IN THE CIGARETTE TAX TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM THAT THEY'VE CREATED IN THE NEXT YEAR. COMPLICATING MATTERS IN ADDITION TO THE LEADERSHIP BATTLE THAT YOU HAVE, YOU ALSO HAVE A MEMBER OF THE LEGISLATURE WHO'S BEEN CRAFTING THIS BUDGET IN BILL DIX, WHO WANTS TO RUN FOR CONGRESS. HE CAN'T RUN FOR CONGRESS IF HE'S SHOT THE STATE BUDGET INTO THE RED. SO HE HAS A STAKE IN MAKING SURE THAT THEY FIX THE BUDGET DILEMMA THAT THEY HAVE CREATED FOR THEMSELVES. SO I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE HUGE PRESSURE TO RAISE THE CIGARETTE TAX. IN THE SENATE, YOU HAD SENATORS WHO WANTED TO RAISE IT, AND THEIR MESSAGE AFTER THE SESSION WAS OVER WAS THAT IOWANS NEED TO CONTACT THEIR LEGISLATORS AFTERWARDS AND TELL THEM THEY WANT THIS TAX RAISED.

Glover: I DISAGREE, I THINK. THE CIGARETTE TAX WON'T PASS NEXT YEAR, A PREDICTION RIGHT NOW. AND I DON'T SEE WHAT BILL DIX'S PROBLEM IS WITH THE STATE BUDGET. JIM NUSSLE IS GOING TO RUN FOR GOVERNOR. AFTER CHAIRING THE HOUSE BUDGET COMMITTEE, HE RANG UP A $500-BILLION FEDERAL BUDGET DEFICIT. SO I DON'T THINK POLITICIANS ARE ALL THAT WORRIED ABOUT BUDGET PROBLEMS GOING INTO ELECTIONS. SO I THINK DIX DOESN'T HAVE THAT KIND OF A PROBLEM WEIGHING ON HIS MIND.

Borg: EVEN HARDER TO RAISE THE CIGARETTE TAX DURING AN ELECTION YEAR?

Glover: IT WON'T HAPPEN NEXT YEAR. IT'S AN ELECTION YEAR. IT WON'T HAPPEN THIS YEAR -- IT DIDN'T HAPPEN THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF THE POLITICAL PRESSURES THAT WERE BROUGHT TO BEAR. AND THE POLITICAL PRESSURES THAT WILL BE BROUGHT TO BEAR ON NEXT YEAR WILL BE EVEN GREATER.

Yepsen: I UNDERSTAND MIKE'S VIEW. WE SHOULD SAVE THE TAPE BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BE RIGHT AND SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BE WRONG HERE. [ LAUGHTER ] BUT I THINK IF THE FISCAL PRESSURES ARE SUCH THAT THE CIGARETTE TAX IS A RELIEF NEXT YEAR. IT BECOMES EASIER TO BREAK YOUR PROMISES WHEN YOU'VE GOT 70 PERCENT OF IOWANS WHO WANT YOU TO DO IT.

Russell: AND YOU ACTUALLY HAD REPUBLICANS THIS YEAR SAYING, WELL, IF YOU RAISE THE CIGARETTE TAX, YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO RAISE IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR. THAT WAS ALMOST LIKE A PREMUNITION.

Henderson: EXACTLY.

Yepsen: AND ONE OF THE THINGS, DEAN, ABOUT CIGARETTES IS THAT THEY TEND TO BE SMOKED BY POOR PEOPLE, SO THIS IS A BIT OF A REGRESSIVE TAX. BUT IF YOU TAKE THE REVENUES FROM A CIGARETTE TAX INCREASE AND YOU PUT IT INTO HEALTH CARE PROGRAMS FOR THE POOR, THEN IT BECOMES MORE OF A USER FEE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THIS LEGISLATURE DID WAS A VERY LANDMARK BILL, WHICH WAS TO CHANGE MEDICAID, THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM FOR THE POOR. IT WAS REALLY A GREAT SPIRIT OF BIPARTISAN COOPERATION -- EXCUSE ME. BUT IT DID ADD A LOT OF PEOPLE TO THE HEALTH CARE ROLLS. IT DEFIES -- LOGIC TELLS YOU THAT WHEN YOU ADD PEOPLE TO THE HEALTH CARE ROLLS AT A TIME WHEN HEALTH CARE COSTS ARE GOING UP, THEY ARE GOING TO NEED SOME ADDITIONAL REVENUE TO PAY FOR MEDICAID IN THE FUTURE.

Borg: AND, JOYCE, HOW DO YOU SEE THAT MEDICAID BEING IMPLEMENTED? DO YOU SEE PROBLEMS AHEAD IN THAT, IN THE WORK THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING RESEARCHING IT?

Russell: WELL, IT'S A VERY INNOVATIVE PROGRAM, AND I THINK THAT THE HEAD OF THE MEDICAID PROGRAM AT THE IOWA DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES SHOULD BE CREDITED WITH COMING UP WITH THIS. IT'S A VERY NOVEL APPROACH.

Borg: OF LEVERAGING MORE FEDERAL DOLLARS INTO IOWA BY --

Russell: RIGHT. IN EFFECT -- I'M A LITTLE BIT HESITANT TO WADE INTO THIS BECAUSE IT'S VERY COMPLICATED. BUT IN EFFECT, YOU TAKE DOLLARS -- STATE AND LOCAL DOLLARS THAT HAD BEEN SPENT ON INDIGENT HEALTH CARE AND INSTEAD YOU BRING THOSE PEOPLE INTO THE MEDICAID PROGRAM AND, THEREBY, YOU LEVERAGE FEDERAL DOLLARS TO GO WITH IT. SO THAT'S THE CONCEPT. BUT AS DAVID SAID, WE'RE BRINGING THOUSANDS OF MORE PEOPLE INTO THE MEDICAID ROLLS. THEY'RE IN A LIMITED PROGRAM. THEY DON'T GET ALL THE BENEFITS THAT REGULAR MEDICAID PATIENTS DO. BUT IT'S VERY INNOVATIVE AND I THINK PEOPLE AROUND THE COUNTRY ARE GOING TO -- ARE GOING TO BE WATCHING HOW THIS WORKS. BUT IN OTHER STATES, THAT HAVE TRIED SIMILAR THINGS AND THEN ENDED UP HAVING TO PULL THOSE PEOPLE OFF THE MEDICAID ROLLS.

Borg: AND, MIKE, ALSO IN THIS, YOU'RE CHANGING SOME OF THE PLACES WHERE THESE PEOPLE HAVE TRADITIONALLY RECEIVED THEIR HEALTH CARE, THEREFORE SETTING UP SOMEWHAT OF A TUSSLE AND MAYBE, MORE THAN THAT, A BATTLE BETWEEN HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS.

Glover: SURE. AND THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS PROGRAM IS GOING TO BE VERY TRICKY OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, NOT JUST THE NEXT YEAR. IT'S GOING TO BE -- PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MANAGE IT VERY CAREFULLY. IT'S FOCUSED AT BROADLAWNS HOSPITAL IN DES MOINES AND UNIVERSITY HOSPITALS IN IOWA CITY. THOSE ARE THE TWO MAJOR CHARITY CARE PROVIDERS IN THE STATE. SO IT'S BEEN ESTIMATED THAT ABOUT 30,000 PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME INTO THE MEDICAID SYSTEM. THERE WILL BE PRESSURE TO INCREASE THAT NUMBER. THERE WILL BE PRESSURE TO ADD SERVICES. THERE WILL BE PRESSURE TO SPEND MORE. SO IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFULLY MANAGED OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS TO KEEP THEIR PROGRAM UNDER CONTROL. IN TENNESSEE, THEY DID A VERY SIMILAR THING AND ENDED UP HAVING TO CUT OFF HEALTH CARE TO THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY BROUGHT IN MORE THAN THEY COULD AFFORD.

Borg: AND THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY TOUCHY IN AN ELECTION YEAR. IT MAY NOT HAPPEN AS SOON AS NEXT YEAR, THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN IOWA MAY BE CUT OFF CARE.

Glover: THIS IS AN INNOVATIVE APPROACH, AS JOYCE MENTIONED, AND IT WILL BE MANAGED FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS, NOT JUST NEXT YEAR.

Borg: KAY, PROPERTY TAX, AS WE'VE ALREADY SAID, REFORM, VERY COMPLICATED, AS WAS THE MEDICAID THING. THEY SOLVED THAT. MAYBE THEY SOLVED IT. BUT PROPERTY TAX, WHY DID THAT NOT HAPPEN?

Henderson: BECAUSE IT'S TOO COMPLICATED. TALK ABOUT ANOTHER COMPLICATED SUBJECT. THE GOVERNOR ASSEMBLED A GROUP OF A DOZEN LEGISLATORS FROM BOTH PARTIES FROM BOTH THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE AND SAT DOWN WITH THEM WEEKLY. THEY MET INTERMINABLY TRYING TO COME UP WITH DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS TO THE PROPERTY TAX DILEMMA THAT THE STATE FACES.

Borg: WHAT IS THE DILEMMA?

Henderson: THE DILEMMA IS IF YOU ARE A BUSINESS OWNER OR HAVE INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY, YOUR PROPERTY TAX IS INCREASING EXPONENTIALLY BECAUSE A LONG TIME AGO IN THE LATE '80S, LEGISLATORS DECIDED TO TIE THE VALUATION OF HOMEOWNERS' PROPERTY AND FARMERS' PROPERTY TOGETHER. NOW, THE LAYMAN'S TERM FOR THAT IS THOSE PROPERTIES ARE SORT OF FROZEN IN PLACE, TO SOME RESPECT; WHEREAS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A VALVE. IF YOU'RE A COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND YOU WANT TO GROW, YOU WANT TO PROVIDE MORE SERVICES, YOUR EMPLOYEE SALARIES ARE GOING UP, YOU NEED TO FIND THE MONEY. YOU GO TO A BUSINESS OWNER AND SAY YOUR PROPERTY TAXES ARE GOING UP, BECAUSE I CAN'T RAISE THOSE PROPERTY TAXES BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE SYSTEM IS MADE.

Borg: IT'S LIKE SQUEEZING THE BALLOON.

Henderson: EXACTLY. SO THEY DIDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO POP THE BALLOON OR SQUEEZE THE BALLOON. AND THERE'S NO INDICATION THAT THERE'S AN EASY ANSWER IN SIGHT.

Borg: IT MAY NOT BE EASIER, DAVE, IN AN ELECTION YEAR EITHER.

Yepsen: NO. ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO GET ANYTHING DONE ON THE PROPERTY TAX, DEAN, WAS BECAUSE TO CAP THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT KAY WAS TALKING ABOUT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DENY REVENUES TO CITY, COUNTY, AND SCHOOL GOVERNMENTS. AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE INFLUENTIAL, LOCAL POLITICAL LEADERS. THEY'VE GOT NEEDS THEY'VE GOT TO GET MET. SO THEY SAID TO THE LEGISLATURE, DON'T FOOL AROUND WITH THIS, WE NEED THE MONEY. THEY RECOGNIZE THAT IOWA'S PROPERTY TAX SYSTEM IS A MESS, BUT THEY WILL NOT DO ANYTHING THAT DENIES THEM REVENUE.

Glover: THE ONLY OTHER OPTION IS YOU CAN HAVE -- YOU CAN TELL THOSE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE MONEY YOU NEED FOR SERVICES. OR YOU CAN TELL HOMEOWNERS, BY THE WAY, WE'RE GOING TO RAISE YOUR PROPERTY TAXES SO THE BUSINESS ON THE CORNER DOESN'T HAVE TO. SO YOU CAN TELL ABOUT 90 PERCENT OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS WE'RE GOING TO RAISE YOUR PROPERTY TAXES.

Yepsen: WELL, AND THIS GOES TO ANOTHER POINT. ONE POINT OF AGREEMENT BETWEEN REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS IS WE HAVE TOO MANY LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN IOWA, TOO MANY COUNTIES, TOO MANY CITIES, TOO MANY SCHOOL DISTRICTS, AND THAT WE CAN SAVE SOME MONEY IN THIS STATE BY MERGING, GETTING THEM TO SHARE SERVICES. AND THOSE PRESSURES ARE ON AND THEY ARE CONTINUING. LOCAL OFFICIALS ARE TRYING. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'VE GOT TO DECIDE WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR WHAT IN IOWA. AND UNTIL YOU GET AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, DEAN, YOU CAN'T DECIDE WHETHER SCHOOLS SHOULD BE PAID FOR OUT OF PROPERTY TAXES OR OUT OF STATE INCOME TAXES.

Henderson: AND THAT WAS THE PROBLEM WITH THE WHOLE PREMISE THAT THE GOVERNOR MARCHED INTO THESE MEETINGS WITH IS HE WAS FOCUSED ON PROPERTY TAXES. DAVID IS RIGHT: YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE SALES TAX; YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE INCOME TAX; YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE WHOLE RANGE OF TAXES THAT THE STATE COLLECTS AND DETERMINE WHICH OF THOSE AREAS SHOULD FINANCE WHICH SERVICES WHICH ARE PROVIDED.

Yepsen: AND, DEAN, GOING INTO THIS SESSION, OUR EXPECTATIONS WERE THEY WON'T DO MUCH BECAUSE THEY'RE EVENLY DIVIDED. WE'RE SETTING UP AN EXPECTATION HERE THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO MUCH NEXT YEAR BECAUSE IT'S AN ELECTION YEAR, AND I AGREE WITH THAT. IT'S CONVENTIONAL WISDOM. BUT IT'S ALSO TRUE IN THE LEGISLATURE THAT IT'S ALWAYS DARKEST BEFORE THE DAWN. I'VE LEARNED THE HARD WAY YOU NEVER KILL ANYTHING TOO DEAD IN THE LEGISLATURE.

Borg: YOU NEVER SAY NEVER --

Yepsen: RIGHT. WE SAW A LEGISLATURE THIS YEAR WHERE A LOT OF THE KOOKY STUFF ON BOTH SIDES WAS JUST CHUCKED OVER THE SIDE. DEATH PENALTY, ANTI-ABORTION, ALL THAT STUFF WAS JUST LEFT BEHIND IN FAVOR OF TRYING TO GET SOME THINGS DONE. SO HERE'S THE PRESSURE THAT HAPPENS TO LEGISLATORS NEXT YEAR: IT IS AN ELECTION YEAR; PEOPLE WANT THINGS DONE; THEY LEARN HOW TO WORK TOGETHER THIS YEAR AND MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, THEY CAN PULL SOMETHING TOGETHER ON SOME OF THESE OTHER ISSUES.

Glover: THERE WILL BE AN EPISODE LIKE HAPPENED THIS YEAR. A TEN-YEAR-OLD GIRL IN CEDAR RAPIDS WAS BRUTALLY MURDERED AND MOLESTED, AND SO THE PRESSURE CAME ON THE LEGISLATURE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE STATE SEX ABUSE LAWS, AND THEY DID. THEY HAD A LITTLE DIVERSION WITH THE DEATH PENALTY DUST-UP, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY TOUGHENED SEX ABUSE LAWS. AS WE MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROGRAM, THERE IS A PRESSURE ON THESE LEGISLATORS TO BE ABLE TO GO HOME TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS AND SAY: HERE'S WHAT I DID FOR YOU THIS YEAR; I ACCOMPLISHED A, B, C, AND D. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE WILL BE THAT SAME PRESSURE NEXT YEAR. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ISSUES WILL BE. IT'S TOO EARLY TO KNOW, BUT THERE WILL BE THAT SAME PRESSURE.

Borg: JOYCE, IS THE SEX OFFENDER LEGISLATION SUFFICIENTLY TOUGH RIGHT NOW? IT'S BEEN CROWED ABOUT AS BEING THE TOUGHEST IN THE NATION. IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY MORE TINKERING WITH THAT AND MAYBE ADDING THE DEATH PENALTY DURING THE NEXT SESSION?

Russell: I THINK THE ISSUE OF THE DEATH PENALTY WILL PROBABLY COME UP AGAIN NEXT YEAR. AND I THINK THE SEX OFFENDER BILL INCLUDES SOME INTERIM STUDY -- CONTINUED STUDY OF THE ISSUE. BUT IT DID SOME SIGNIFICANT THINGS, PARTICULARLY GETTING TO THE SPECIFIC SITUATION WHERE A SEX OFFENDER IS IN PRISON, HE DENIES TREATMENT. AND BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE LAWS WERE WRITTEN, IT KIND OF SET IT UP TO FAVOR THE INMATE WHO DENIES TREATMENT. HE ACTUALLY -- HE OR SHE ACTUALLY BECAME LESS SUSCEPTIBLE TO SUPERVISION AFTER HE GOT OUT, AND THEY FIXED THAT PROBLEM.

Yepsen: THE SHORT ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, IS IT SUFFICIENTLY TOUGH, NO. POLITICALLY YOU CAN NEVER BE TOO TOUGH ON SEX OFFENDERS. WILL THERE BE A DEATH PENALTY DEBATE NEXT YEAR? NO, THE DEMOCRATS WILL BLOCK IT IN THE SENATE. THAT'S WHY THERE WILL BE A DEATH PENALTY DEBATE IN THE RACE FOR GOVERNOR IN 2006. LEGISLATORS WILL BE ASKED ABOUT IT. CHET CULVER, A DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR, HAS SAID HE'S FOR A DEATH PENALTY. A LOT OF CONTROVERSY IN THE PARTY OVER THAT. MIKE GRONSTAL, WHO IS THINKING ABOUT RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR, SAID, NO, HE'S OPPOSED TO IT. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DEATH PENALTY DEBATE IN IOWA.

Borg: I WOULD BE REMISS AS A MODERATOR, YOU USED THE WORD "KOOKY" THINGS LIKE THE DEATH PENALTY A FEW MINUTES AGO.

Yepsen: EXTREMISTS, ON THE FRINGE. THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY THAT. AND IT WAS TRUE ON BOTH SIDES. IDEAS ON BOTH LIBERAL AND CONSERVATIVE ENDS OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM WERE JUST DUMPED OVER THE SIDE.

Borg: KAY, EDUCATION WAS A BIG FACTOR IN THIS YEAR'S -- AT LEAST A BIG SUBJECT TO START OUT. THE GOVERNOR TRUMPETED A LOT OF THINGS IN HIS CONDITION OF THE STATE THAT HE WANTED DONE IN EDUCATION AND EARLY CHILDHOOD, EMPHASIS AND SO ON. DID IT HAPPEN?

Henderson: THEY DID NOT SPEND AS MUCH MONEY AS THE GOVERNOR WISHED IN REGARDS TO EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION, BUT THEY SPENT A LOT MORE THAN I THINK ANYONE OF US SITTING AT THIS TABLE THOUGHT THEY WOULD. THEY DIDN'T SPEND AS MUCH MONEY ON THE STATE UNIVERSITIES AS THE BOARD OF REGENTS, WHICH GOVERNS THE UNIVERSITIES, AND THE UNIVERSITY OFFICIALS HAD ASKED FOR, BUT THEY SPENT A LOT MORE THAN I THINK WE ALL THOUGHT THEY WOULD. THE THREAT THAT THE BOARD OF REGENTS MADE THAT THEY MAY RAISE TUITION NEXT JANUARY FOR STUDENTS MAY NOT COME TO FRUITION BECAUSE OF THE MONEY. WE DON'T QUITE KNOW THAT YET.

Borg: OR MAY BE MITIGATED.

Henderson: OR MAY BE MITIGATED, EXACTLY. BUT THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THIS IS, WHILE THEY DID PLOW MORE MONEY IN EDUCATION, THEY DIDN'T ADDRESS THE UNDERLYING PROBLEMS THAT EXIST IN THE EDUCATION SYSTEM THAT DAVID MENTIONED EARLIER: TOO MANY SCHOOL DISTRICTS; TOO MANY ADMINISTRATORS. THERE WEREN'T REALLY CONCRETE STEPS TAKEN TO FORCE SCHOOLS TO MERGE. AND AT SOME POINT, LEGISLATORS ADMIT PRIVATELY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TACKLE THAT PROBLEM.

Glover: I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT WINNERS AND LOSERS IN THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THERE WERE TWO CLEAR WINNERS. ONE IS TOM VILSACK. VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING THAT HE RAISED IN HIS CONDITION OF THE STATE, VIRTUALLY, WAS ADDRESSED, NOT, AS KAY MENTIONED, TO HIS COMPLETE SATISFACTION. HE WANTED $40 MILLION FOR THE REGENTS; HE GOT 30. HE WANTED $39 MILLION FOR EARLY CHILDHOOD, AND HE GOT 20 SOMETHING. BUT EVERY ISSUE HE RAISED WAS ADDRESSED AND FUNDED TO SOME DEGREE. THE OTHER BIG WINNER I THINK WAS IOWA SCHOOLS, IF YOU THINK THAT JUST POURING MORE MONEY INTO IOWA SCHOOLS IS GOOD FOR THEM, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. THE FUNDAMENTAL UNDERLYING AREAS THAT KAY MENTIONED WEREN'T ADDRESSED. AND THE LONG-TERM HEALTH OF IOWA SCHOOLS I THINK WILL DEPEND ON THOSE AREAS BEING ADDRESSED.

Borg: IN THE END CHRISTOPHER RANTS IN THE HOUSE WAS HOLDING OUT FOR LESS SPENDING ON EDUCATION THAN WAS IN THE SENATE BILL, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT.

Glover: MM-HMM.

Borg: EVENTUALLY HE GAVE ON THAT.

Glover: YES.

Borg: WHY?

Glover: HE GAVE BECAUSE HE WON ON THE CIGARETTE TAX. THE FUNDAMENTAL DYNAMIC THAT CHRIS RANTS WAS ANGLING FOR WAS HE WAS ONE OF A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE AT THE LEGISLATURE STANDING IN THE WAY OF AN INCREASE IN THE STATE'S CIGARETTE TAX. HE HELD OUT FOR THAT. HE GOT IT. IN EXCHANGE HE AGREED TO HIGHER SPENDING, WHICH REQUIRED DIPPING INTO SOME ONE-TIME FUNDS, IN ESSENCE, BORROWING MONEY TO FINANCE THAT HIGHER FUNDING, PUTTING OFF BUDGET PROBLEMS FOR NEXT YEAR, FISCAL PROBLEMS I THINK HE PROBABLY DOESN'T LIKE BUT ACCEPTS IT AS A PRICE FOR A CIGARETTE TAX.

Yepsen: I THINK THEY ALL WON, IN A SENSE, DEAN. I MEAN SOME PEOPLE WON MORE THAN OTHERS. WE HAVEN'T MENTIONED IT HERE TODAY, BUT EARLY ON IN THE SESSION -- NOT EARLY ON, BUT THEY DID RESOLVE THE VALUES FUND DEBATE TO HELP BOOST THE STATE'S ECONOMY. EVERY POLITICIAN UP THERE GOT SOMETHING THEY CAN GO HOME AND CROW ABOUT AND SAY I DID THIS FOR YOU. THEY GOT SOMETHING THEY CAN GO TO THEIR BASE AND SAY WE DID THAT. CHRIS RANTS CAN GO TO THE REPUBLICAN BASE AND SAY I STOPPED THE CIGARETTE TAX INCREASE. SO EVERYBODY GOT A LITTLE SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN GO HOME AND BRAG ABOUT.

Borg: DAVE, YOU WROTE A COLUMN THIS WEEK ABOUT SHIFTING MONEY FROM FUNDS WITHIN THE STATE BUDGET, MEANT TO BRING OUT A BALANCED STATE BUDGET. BUT THERE IS A PRICE TO BE PAID EVENTUALLY ON THAT BECAUSE ARE THOSE FUNDS GOING TO BE ETERNALLY DEPLETED, BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A PAYBACK?

Yepsen: THEY MAY BE DEPLETED. IN FACT, ONE OF THE THINGS THE LEGISLATURE DID WAS THEY SAID WE'RE NOT GOING TO REPAY A TOBACCO FUND. THE STATE AUDITOR AND THE STATE TREASURER ARE ISSUING WARNINGS AGAIN THAT YOU CAN'T KEEP SPENDING MORE THAN YOU COLLECT IN REVENUES, THAT YOU HAVE TO BRING THOSE IN LINE. YOU SHOULDN'T BE SHIFTING FUNDS FROM THE SENIOR LIVING TRUST FUND TO PAY PROPERTY TAX CREDITS, MOVING MONEY AROUND LIKE THAT. POLITICALLY THE EXTRA MONEY DOES HELP RESOLVE AN IMMEDIATE POLITICAL PROBLEM FOR THE POLITICIANS, BUT THEY ALL KNOW THEY SPENT A LOT AND THEY HAVE TO GET THAT UNDER CONTROL.

Glover: AND IT'S SETTING UP WHAT I THINK IS GOING TO BE AN INTERESTING, MAYBE EVEN FASCINATING, ELECTION YEAR SESSION NEXT YEAR. THERE'S GOING TO BE EXTREME BUDGET PRESSURES ON THIS LEGISLATURE. THERE ARE GOING TO BE BIG ISSUES THAT ARE BEING DEBATED ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL AS THEY GATHER. YOU'RE RIGHT; THERE'S GOING TO BE A PRIMARY IN BOTH PARTIES FOR GOVERNOR. THEY'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE THE DEATH PENALTY, TAXES, SOCIAL ISSUES, ABORTION WILL COME UP. ALL THOSE ISSUES ARE GOING TO BE IN THE POLITICAL MIX AS THE NEXT LEGISLATURE CONVENES, IN ADDITION TO ALL THIS FINANCIAL PRESSURE, IN ADDITION TO AN EVENLY DIVIDED LEGISLATURE AND BOTH PARTIES SPENDING EVERY PENNY THEY CAN GET THEIR HANDS ON TO TRY TO BREAK THAT DEADLOCK.

Borg: JOYCE, IN THAT EVENLY DIVIDED LEGISLATURE, WE HAVE AN EVENLY SPLIT SENATE. IN THE END WAS THAT EVENLY SPLIT SENATE, WITH DEMOCRAT TOM VILSACK AS GOVERNOR, ABLE TO USE THAT POWER THROUGH THE SENATE? WAS THAT THE KEY TO THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION, AND HOW WILL IT AFFECT NEXT SESSION, DO YOU THINK?

Russell: WELL, I THINK THAT IT SLOWED THINGS DOWN. AND AS DAVID HAS POINTED OUT, IT'S MADE SOME OF THE FRINGE ISSUES BE THROWN OVERBOARD. IN THE END I THINK GOVERNOR VILSACK CLEARLY GOT MORE THAN HE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN BECAUSE HE HAD DEMOCRATS ON HIS SIDE IN THE IOWA SENATE.

Glover: IT WAS THE FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME THE DEMOCRATS HAVE ACTUALLY HAD A POWER BASE OF SOME SORT IN THE LEGISLATURE. THEY HAVEN'T HAD THAT FOR TEN YEARS. THEY'VE BEEN THE MINORITY PARTY IN THE LEGISLATURE FOR TEN YEARS.

Borg: BUT THAT MEANT THAT DEMOCRATS, IN ORDER TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT LEVERAGE, HAD TO STICK TOGETHER, HAD TO IN THE SENATE.

Yepsen: IT DID BUT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WAS CREATED BY THAT EVEN SPLIT WAS NOBODY KNEW HOW TO PLAY THE GAME. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THERE WAS A SLOW START AT THE LEGISLATURE, DEAN. I MEAN REPUBLICANS DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO ACT. DEMOCRATS DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO -- NOBODY WAS IN THE MAJORITY. NOBODY WAS IN THE MINORITY. WHERE'S THE RULE BOOK FOR THIS?

Henderson: BUT I THINK THE REAL THING WE LEARNED HERE IS THAT IT'S GOING TO HELP TOM VILSACK AVOID BEING A LAME DUCK. HE CAN COME IN AND GET THINGS DONE.

Borg: THANK YOU FOR YOUR INSIGHTS. AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEKEND'S EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS." I HOPE YOU'LL WATCH NEXT WEEKEND, REGULAR AIRTIMES: 7:30 FRIDAY NIGHT; SUNDAY AT NOON. I'M DEAN BORG. THANKS FOR JOINING US TODAY. CAPTIONS BY: MIDWEST CAPTIONING DES MOINES, IOWA.

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