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State Representative Ed Fallon

posted on October 17, 2005

Borg: THE CAMPAIGN FOR GOVERNOR OF IOWA CONTINUES AS CANDIDATES STAKE OUT THEIR POSITIONS AND PROFILE THEIR DIFFERENCES IN THE GUBERNATORIAL FIELD. STATE REPRESENTATIVE ED FALLON OF DES MOINES IS IN THE DEMOCRATIC SIX-CANDIDATE FIELD, AND HE JOINS US TO DISCUSS HIS CAMPAIGN ON THIS EDITION OF 'IOWA PRESS.' FUNDING FOR 'IOWA PRESS' WAS PROVIDED BY 'FRIENDS,' THE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION FOUNDATION; AND BY THE IOWA BANKERS ASSOCIATION... FOR PERSONAL, BUSINESS, AND COMMERCIAL NEEDS, IOWA BANKS HELP IOWANS REACH THEIR FINANCIAL GOALS. ON STATEWIDE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION, THIS IS THE FRIDAY, OCTOBER 14 EDITION OF 'IOWA PRESS.' HERE IS DEAN BORG.

Borg: BETWEEN NOW AND TUESDAY, JUNE 6, THAT'S THE DATE FOR IOWA'S PRIMARY ELECTION, IOWA VOTERS WILL BE LOOKING OVER THE CANDIDATES WHO ARE CAMPAIGNING FOR THEIR PARTY'S RESPECTIVE NOMINATIONS. OUR GUEST TODAY WANTS DEMOCRATS TO NOMINATE HIM AS THEIR CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR. ED FALLON OF DES MOINES HAS SERVED SEVEN TERMS IN THE IOWA HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. IN HIS UP-FRONT STYLE, FALLON WAS FIRST IN EITHER THE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRATIC PARTIES TO DECLARE HIS CANDIDACY. HE'S KNOWN FOR HIS PLAIN-SPOKEN, SOMETIMES OUTSPOKEN POSITIONS ON ISSUES. REPRESENTATIVE FALLON, WELCOME BACK TO 'IOWA PRESS.'

Fallon: GOOD TO BE HERE.

Borg: ALSO WITH US HERE AT THE TABLE: 'DES MOINES REGISTER' POLITICAL COLUMNIST DAVID YEPSEN AND 'ASSOCIATED PRESS' SENIOR POLITICAL WRITER MIKE GLOVER.

Glover: REPRESENTATIVE FALLON, ONE OF THE THINGS WE LIKE TO DO ON CANDIDATE PROGRAMS IS GIVE THE CANDIDATE A CHANCE TO MAKE THE CASE FOR HIM OR HERSELF. MAKE THE CASE FOR ED FALLON WINNING THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION FOR GOVERNOR.

Fallon: I'VE SERVED IN THE LEGISLATURE FOR THIRTEEN YEARS, AND I'VE SEEN -- I'VE SEEN THE PLACE GO FROM BEING INFLUENCED BY BIG MONEY, TO SOME EXTENT, TO BEING ALMOST CONTROLLED BY IT. AND CORPORATIONS, THROUGH THEIR PACS, THEIR LOBBYISTS, AND THEIR CEOs AND OTHER BIG DONORS, ARE REALLY DETERMINING POLICY TO THE BENEFIT OF THEMSELVES AT THE EXPENSE OF MOST IOWANS. AND SO WE SEE CUTS IN EDUCATION. WE SEE NO ATTENTION TO THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM, AND AN INCREASE IN UNDERFUNDING SERVICES FOR CITIES AND PUBLIC SAFETY AND A WHOLE VARIETY OF ISSUES. AND I'M GOING TO CHANGE THAT.

Yepsen: MR. FALLON, ONE OF THE THINGS WE ALSO LIKE TO DO ON THIS PROGRAM IS ALLOW CANDIDATES AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE CRITICISMS THAT ARE MADE OF THEM, SOME OF THE NEGATIVES THAT THEY MAY HAVE. SO LET'S GO THROUGH A COUPLE THAT YOU HAVE. ONE OF THE CRITICISMS THAT I HEAR DEMOCRATS MAKE OF YOU IS YOU ENDORSED RALPH NADER FOR PRESIDENT IN 2000. MR. NADER ARGUABLY IS THE REASON GEORGE W. BUSH BECAME PRESIDENT. SO WHY SHOULD DEMOCRATS VOTE FOR SOMEBODY FOR GOVERNOR WHO SUPPORTED RALPH NADER?

Fallon:, FIRST OF ALL, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT NADER CAUSED BUSH TO BECOME PRESIDENT --

Yepsen: I THINK THE STATISTICS ARE, BUT WE CAN SET THAT ARGUMENT ASIDE.

Fallon: MY CONCERN WAS THAT AL GORE WAS RUNNING AWAY FROM THE CORE PRINCIPLES THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS HISTORICALLY CHAMPIONED. AND I'D HOPED THAT THROUGH CERTAIN -- CERTAIN RATHER DRAMATIC STATEMENTS, THE PARTY AND GORE MIGHT COME BACK TO BEING MORE FOCUSED ON THE CORE DEMOCRATIC ISSUES. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN, UNFORTUNATELY. BUT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT I, THROUGH THE YEARS, DURING MY ENTIRE TIME IN THE LEGISLATURE, I HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY SUPPORTIVE OF DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES RUNNING FOR THE HOUSE AND SENATE. I'VE RAISED MONEY. I'VE KNOCKED ON DOORS. I'VE USED MY MUSIC TO HELP AT FUND-RAISING EVENTS, AND I DID A LOT OF WORK FOR JOHN KERRY. BUT I STILL AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE CONTINUED MOMENTUM WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AWAY FROM THE CORE ISSUES THAT MATTER MOST IN PEOPLE'S LIVES AND TOWARD THIS CORPORATE AGENDA THAT IS RUINING OUR STATE.

Borg: CONTINUING ON WITH THAT THOUGHT, HOW THEN DO YOU ADDRESS DEMOCRATS WHO SAY THEY'RE A BIT NERVOUS ABOUT THE FACT THAT IF THEY TRUST YOU WITH THE NOMINATION, YOU CAN'T WIN THE BIG ONE?

Fallon: WELL, I THINK WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO WIN THE BIG ONE IS A FOCUS ON ISSUES THAT RESONATE WITH IOWANS. I DON'T REALLY SEE THEIR -- THE DICHOTOMY IS NOT BETWEEN A DEMOCRATIC AND A REPUBLICAN AGENDA. IT'S NOT LEFT VERSUS RIGHT ANYMORE. IT'S TOP VERSUS BOTTOM.

Borg: WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?

Fallon: WELL, THERE'S A VERY, VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF IOWANS AND AMERICANS WHO ARE GETTING VERY WEALTHY OFF THE CURRENT APPROACH TO -- TO -- TO MANAGING THE STATE BUDGET AND, AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, THE FEDERAL BUDGET. AND IT'S COSTING THE REST OF US DEARLY IN TERMS OF TAX DOLLARS. I MEAN PEOPLE'S PROPERTY TAXES CONTINUE TO GO UP.

Borg: IS THAT WHAT YOU THINK IS GOING TO RESONATE AND WIN YOU GOVERNORSHIP?

Fallon: IT IS RESONATING VERY WELL. MOST IOWANS AREN'T -- AREN'T THAT PARTISAN. THEIRS A VERY, VERY SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE -- ALWAYS THINKING DEMOCRAT OR ALWAYS THINKING REPUBLICAN. MOST OF THEM JUST WANT TO SEE GOVERNMENT THAT IS ACCOUNTABLE AND FOCUSED ON BASIC SERVICES AND NOT WASTING THEIR TAXES AND NOT GIVING MONEY AWAY TO COMPANIES LIKE WELLS FARGO WHO DON'T NEED IT.

Glover: ANOTHER CRITICISM OF YOUR CANDIDACY IS PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT DURING YOUR SEVEN TERMS IN THE IOWA LEGISLATURE, YOU'VE BEEN INEFFECTIVE. YOU TALK A GOOD GAME, BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF LEGISLATION WITH YOUR NAME ON IT. YOU HAVEN'T ACCOMPLISHED MUCH, THEY SAY.

Fallon: WELL, I'M SURE THEY'RE GOING TO SAY THAT BUT, FIRST OF ALL, I'VE BEEN IN THE MINORITY THE WHOLE TIME. SO, OF COURSE, YOU'RE LIMITED IN TERMS OF WHAT BILLS YOU CAN PASS. BUT I'VE DONE A LOT WITH AMENDMENTS AND WITH COMMITTEE WORK. I DRAFTED LEGISLATION THAT INCREASED CHILD CARE FUNDING BY 1.3 MILLION. I HELPED DRAFT THE LEGISLATION WITH PAM JOCHUM THAT SAW A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE OF FUNDING FOR PUBLIC TRANSIT. I DRAFTED THE PLANNING PRINCIPLES THAT HELPED IMPROVE THE VISION IOWA PROGRAM. I DRAFTED THE LEGISLATION THAT MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR CITIES TO MORE EASILY BUILD SKATE PARKS. IT'S A LONG LIST. TO ME WHAT I DO INSIDE THE CAPITOL IS IMPORTANT, BUT IT'S ALSO THE REST OF THE YEAR THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME. AND WORKING WITH CONSTITUENTS ONE ON ONE WITH THEIR PROBLEMS, THAT, TO ME, IS AS IMPORTANT AS WHAT I DO ON LEGISLATION.

Glover: AND GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU THINK YOU'VE ACCOMPLISHED THERE.

Fallon: WELL, IT'S A LONG LIST. I'VE HAD, OH GOSH, OVER 120 DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND LOCAL GROUPS, I SHOULD SAY, HAVE CONTACTED ME ABOUT VARIOUS TYPES OF LAND USE PROBLEMS. THEY'VE HAD PROBLEMS RELATING TO THE THREATS FROM VARIOUS TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT. I'VE WORKED WITH A LOT OF THOSE GROUPS, MANY TIMES SUCCESSFULLY. I'VE GOT A LOT OF CALLS FROM PEOPLE CONCERNED WITH HOW THE HUMAN SERVICES SYSTEM WORKS OR HOW THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM WORKS. I CAN GIVE YOU EXAMPLE AFTER EXAMPLE, BUT THERE'S A LONG LIST OF PEOPLE THAT I'VE HELPED. AND I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF WHAT IT MEANS TO BE AN EFFECTIVE AND COMMITTED LAWMAKER.

Yepsen: ONE OF THE CRITICISMS THAT IS MADE OF YOU IS THAT YOU CARRIED A CONFLICT OF INTEREST UP THERE IN THE LEGISLATURE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. YOU WERE DIRECTOR OF A GROUP CALLED 'A THOUSAND FRIENDS OF IOWA,' WHICH IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL AND LAND USE GROUP, AT THE SAME TIME YOU'RE SERVING IN THE LEGISLATURE. HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT FROM A MEMBER OF THE LEGISLATURE SERVING AS DIRECTOR OF A BUSINESS ASSOCIATION OR AN INSURANCE GROUP?

Fallon: WELL, IF YOU'RE A -- IF YOU'RE A -- IF YOU ARE A PRESIDENT OR CEO OR AN EMPLOYEE WITH A BUSINESS THAT GETS BENEFITS FROM THE STATE, TAX BENEFITS OR A SUBSIDY OF SOME KIND, YEAH, THAT'S CLEARLY A CONFLICT. BUT I'M WORKING FOR A NONPROFIT, MUCH LIKE SCOTT RAECKER OR WAYNE FORD OR MANY OTHERS, A NONPROFIT THAT IS NOT RECEIVING ANY BENEFIT FROM THE STATE AT ALL, NEVER A PENNY. IN FACT, IF I WAS SUCCESSFUL -- IF WE WERE VERY SUCCESSFUL IN OUR WORK WITH 'THOUSAND FRIENDS' OR IF I'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL LEGISLATIVELY IN GETTING THAT PLANNING BILL PASSED, WHICH HAS COME VERY CLOSE, YOU KNOW, THAT ACTUALLY WOULD PROVIDE LESS WORK FOR 'A THOUSAND FRIENDS.' IF THE PROBLEM OF URBAN SPRAWL WENT AWAY, THERE WOULDN'T AS MUCH TO DO ON THE LOCAL FRONT.

Glover: IN FACT, YOUR GROUP IS INVOLVED IN SETTING LAND USE POLICY, AND YOU AS A POLICYMAKER ARE IN THE LEGISLATURE VOTING ON THINGS THAT HAVE TO DO WITH LAND USE POLICY.

Fallon: THE GROUP ACTUALLY IS NOT INVOLVED WITH POLICY AS MUCH AS IT IS WITH EDUCATION ABOUT RESPONSIBLE LAND USE AND ABOUT HELPING PEOPLE ADDRESS ISSUES IN THEIR COMMUNITY AND ABOUT HOW TO -- HOW TO MARSHAL THEIR OWN RESOURCES TO HELP ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS THEMSELVES.

Yepsen: MR. FALLON, HELP THE DEMOCRATS OUT.

Fallon: YEAH.

Yepsen: DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY VOTERS STARTING TO TUNE INTO THIS RACE, FOUR, SIX CANDIDATES IN THE THING. DIFFERENTIATE YOURSELF FROM THE OTHERS. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? HOW DO YOU STAND OUT? WHAT MAKES YOU DIFFERENT THAN EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE RACE?

Fallon: WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WHEN IT COMES TO THE STATE'S CURRENT APPROACH TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, I'M VERY STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THE IDEA THAT WE CAN TAKE $700 MILLION, PUT IT INTO SOMETHING CALLED THE VALUES FUND, AND DRASTICALLY AND MIRACULOUSLY CURE OUR ECONOMIC PROBLEMS. I DON'T BELIEVE IN TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS. I DIDN'T BUY IT UNDER RONALD REAGAN, AND I DON'T BUY IT NOW. AND THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ME AND THE OTHER CANDIDATES, PARTICULARLY MIKE BLOUIN. ALSO BETWEEN MYSELF AND MIKE BLOUIN, I'M PRO-CHOICE, HE'S NOT. CERTAINLY HAVE SOME DIFFERENCES WITH SECRETARY JUDGE ON WAYS THAT -- WAYS THAT SHE'S INTERACTED WITH AGRICULTURE. I GUESS THOSE ARE SOME KEY DIFFERENCES. PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT IS THAT I DON'T TAKE ANY MONEY FROM PACS OR PAID LOBBYISTS OR ANY LARGE DONOR. I'VE NEVER DONE THAT AS A STATE LEGISLATOR. I WILL NOT DO THAT AS A CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR. WHEN YOU START TAKING BIG DONATIONS FROM BIG DONORS, THAT'S NO LONGER A DONATION, IT'S A BRIBE.

Glover: LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE IOWA VALUES FUND. IT IS THE CENTERPIECE OF A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGENDA. AS YOU MENTIONED, ONE OF YOUR OPPONENTS RUNS THE IOWA VALUES FUND AND IS PART OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO HELP SPUR THE ECONOMY IN PLACE OF AN IOWA VALUES FUND? YOU'RE CRITICAL OF THAT APPROACH, CREATING A LARGE FUND TO HELP BUSINESSES TO LURE THEM TO THIS STATE. WHAT WOULD YOU DO INSTEAD?

Fallon: I OFFERED AN EIGHT-POINT PLAN TO THE VALUES FUND BILL AS AN ALTERNATIVE, AND THAT WAS DEFEATED. BUT TO ME, THE FIRST FOCUS HAS TO BE ON -- ON THE BASIC SERVICES THAT CREATE THE KIND OF QUALITY OF LIFE THAT IOWANS WANT, AND THAT MEANS WE'VE GOT TO HAVE EDUCATION AS A TOP PRIORITY. WE'VE SEEN FUNDING FOR OUR SCHOOLS DECLINE SIGNIFICANTLY AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE OVERALL BUDGET. WE'VE SEEN TEACHER PAY SLIP FROM 35TH TO 42ND IN THE NATION. AND WE SEE A HEALTH CARE SYSTEM THAT CONTINUES TO BE UNADDRESSED. WE JUST SAW A 19-PERCENT INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF UNINSURED IOWANS. TO ME, WE HAVE TO BE FIRST AND FOREMOST ABOUT ADEQUATELY FUNDING BASIC SERVICES. WE HAVE TO STOP SHIFTING THE TAX BURDEN TO THE PROPERTY TAXPAYERS. THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING. IF THAT COULD BE CURTAILED, IT WOULD REALLY HELP A LOT OF THE ELDERLY AND LOW INCOME PEOPLE WHO --

Glover: SO YOU DO NOTHING IN THE WAY OF BUSINESSES?

Fallon: NO, I'M GETTING TO THAT. THE NEXT STEP AFTER THAT IS TO FOCUS ON SMALL BUSINESSES. I MEAN FUNDING FOR THE MAIN STREET PROGRAM HAS REMAINED STAGNANT. ACTUALLY, THE OPERATIONAL GRANTS PROGRAM UNDER MAIN STREET HAS BEEN CUT, ELIMINATED. WE CAN DO BETTER FOR MAIN STREET. MAIN STREET IS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL INVESTMENT I'VE SEEN THAT THE STATE HAS. SECONDLY, SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT CENTERS. WE'VE DECLINED -- WE'VE DROPPED A NUMBER OF THOSE, FROM 16 TO 12. WE OUGHT TO DO A LOT BETTER JOB IN SUPPORTING THE SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT CENTERS. THAT SPREADS THE WEALTH AROUND A LOT BETTER. AND AGAIN, THE INVESTMENT PRIMARILY SHOULD BE IN INFRASTRUCTURE. IF YOU INVEST IN INFRASTRUCTURE AND A COMPANY LEAVES, YOU STILL HAVE THE INVESTMENT. IF YOU GIVE A HUNDRED MILLION TO SOME BUSINESS THAT PACKS UP AND GOES TO MEXICO, YOU'VE LOST YOUR MONEY.

Yepsen: MR. FALLON, I WAS INTERVIEWING THE GOVERNOR THE OTHER DAY, AND HE IS VERY SENSITIVE TO CRITICISM OF THE VALUES FUND, THE CRITICISM THAT YOU'RE MAKING. HE HAS QUITE A LAUNDRY LIST OF SUCCESSES: BUSINESSES THAT HAVE LOCATED HERE; JOBS THAT ARE BEEN CREATED. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THE CRITICISM THAT THE VALUES FUND HAS WORKED?

Fallon: EVEN PROPONENTS WON'T SAY THAT IT'S WORKED YET. I MEAN I EVEN HEARD MIKE BLOUIN SAY --

Yepsen: EXCUSE ME, THE GOVERNOR IS SAYING THAT.

Fallon: WELL, I DON'T SEE HOW HE CAN SAY IT'S WORKED. I MEAN -- ALL RIGHT, SUPPOSEDLY WELLS FARGO HAS COMMITTED TO CREATING 2,000 JOBS. THEY AREN'T CREATED YET. IF YOU LOOK AT THE IOWA AG FINANCE CORPORATION, WHICH IS JUST ANOTHER FORM OF THE VALUES FUND, THAT WAS AGAIN GRANTS TO BUSINESSES. I MEAN RUDY'S BAKERY GOT A BUNCH OF MONEY. YEAH, RUDY'S BAKERY. NO JOBS CREATED. THEY LEFT THE STATE WITHIN A YEAR. PRODIGY, THEY GOT MILLIONS OF BUCKS. GONE WITHIN A YEAR. THE MEAT PACKING PLANT IN TAMA, I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MANY MILLION -- I WANT TO SAY THREE MILLION -- CLOSED. YOU KNOW, THERE'S EXAMPLE AFTER EXAMPLE OF THIS APPROACH FAILING.

Yepsen: WELL, HE CITES EXAMPLE AFTER EXAMPLE OF SUCCESSES, WHICH YOU'VE NOT MENTIONED HERE. I MEAN THERE HAVE BEEN SUCCESS STORIES.

Fallon: GIVE ME ONE.

Yepsen: ALL RIGHT. WHAT ABOUT THE NOTION THAT IF YOU DON'T PLAY THIS GAME OF HELPING COMPANIES LOCATE, WELLS FARGO PICKS UP AND GOES, WELLS BLUE BUNNY PICKS UP AND GOES TO SOUTH DAKOTA, THAT WE'RE FORCED TO PLAY THIS CORPORATE WELFARE GAME, AS YOU CALL IT?

Fallon: YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO CALL THEIR BLUFF BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'VE SAID ANY BUSINESS THAT IS THINKING OF LEAVING IOWA SHOULD LET US KNOW AND WE'LL GIVE THEM SOME MONEY. AND CHEMIN INDUSTRY, WHICH I THINK IS THE MOST SHAMELESS, THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, 'WE WANT TO DO A $10-MILLION INVESTMENT IN OUR BUSINESS TO CREATE 40 JOBS.' I'M THINKING THE MATH ON THAT ISN'T VERY GOOD, 40 JOBS FOR TEN MILLION, AND THE TAXPAYERS HAVE GOT TO PUT UP FIVE MILLION OR THEY'RE GOING TO LEAVE. AND WITHIN A WEEK AND A HALF, WE HAD THEM THEIR FIVE MILLION. I THINK THAT'S EXTORTION, DAVID. AND I REALLY THINK -- WE HAD A GUY COME TO OUR ECONOMIC GROWTH COMMITTEE LAST YEAR, AND HE SAID -- OR THIS YEAR, RATHER. AND HE SAID -- HE HAD JUST TAKEN A $5-MILLION GRANT. AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, 'THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO ME IS THE FACT THAT IOWA'S WORK FORCE IS SECOND TO NONE.' SO I'M THINKING, OKAY, WE'VE GOT A GREAT WORK FORCE. HE ALSO MENTIONED HOUSING. HE MENTIONED EDUCATION. LET'S FOCUS ON THAT BECAUSE I'LL BET A LOT OF THESE COMPANIES WOULD STAY OR EVEN COME IF WE HAD THAT KIND OF INVESTMENT AS OUR TOP PRIORITY.

Glover: WELL, WHY DON'T YOU, THE NEXT TIME YOU HAVE A FORUM OF DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES FOR GOVERNOR, INVITE THE CURRENT GOVERNOR AND ASK HIM TO DEFEND IT?

Fallon: I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT, BUT I'M SURE MIKE BLOUIN COULD DO THAT JUST AS EASILY.

Yepsen: MR. FALLON, LET'S SWITCH GEARS TO SOME SOCIAL ISSUES. WE LIKE TO ASK CANDIDATES FOR THEIR POSITION ON SOCIAL ISSUES. VERY QUICKLY, THE DEATH PENALTY, ARE YOU FOR IT OR AGAINST IT?

Fallon: AGAINST.

Yepsen: GAY RIGHTS AND GAY MARRIAGE, FOR IT OR AGAINST IT?

Fallon: PEOPLE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO MARRY WHOEVER THEY WANT.

Yepsen: ABORTION, PRO-LIFE OR PRO-CHOICE?

Fallon: CHOICE.

Glover: THERE IS A BIG FIGHT IN THIS STATE OVER EXPANSION OF THE GAMBLING INDUSTRY. TELL US WHERE YOU ARE ON GAMBLING, AND TELL US, IF YOU'RE OPPOSED TO GAMBLING, HOW YOU WOULD REPLACE THE REVENUE THAT THE STATE GETS FROM IT.

Fallon: I DON'T LIKE GAMBLING. IT'S NOT A WEALTH GENERATING INDUSTRY. IT'S JUST MOVING THE FURNITURE AROUND A BIT. THERE'S A LOT OF BUSINESSES THAT END UP CLOSING BECAUSE OF THE EXPANSION IN GAMBLING. EVERY STUDY THAT'S BEEN DONE SHOWS THAT IN AN AREA THAT -- IN A COMMUNITY THAT GETS A CASINO, YOU'VE GOT AN INCREASE IN CRIME, DOMESTIC ABUSE, BANKRUPTCIES. I DON'T LIKE GAMBLING. THERE'S ENOUGH OF A LIBERTARIAN IN ME THAT I DON'T THINK YOU CAN JUST COME IN AND TELL PEOPLE YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, BET ON A GAME OF CARDS OR A SPORTS GAME OR SOMETHING. BUT FOR THE STATE TO HAVE INSTITUTIONALIZED IT HAS CREATED A LOT OF PROBLEMS. I'M NOT GOING TO COME IN AND CLOSE THE CASINOS IN THE STATE, BUT I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE TO STOP BUILDING ANY NEW ONES, BECAUSE IT'S JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEE MORE AND MORE DAMAGE ELSEWHERE IN OUR SOCIETY.

Glover: SO YOUR POSITION IS YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE GAMBLING WE HAVE, YOU JUST WON'T ALLOW ANY MORE?

Fallon: I'M NOT OKAY WITH IT. I JUST THINK POLITICALLY, REALISTICALLY, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PULL THE PLUG ON IT. I THINK EVENTUALLY IT WILL PROBABLY COLLAPSE ON ITS OWN WEIGHT. BUT, AGAIN, I'M VERY COMMITTED TO NOT EXPANDING IT ANY FURTHER. I WOULD NOT HAVE SIGNED THE BILL THAT GOVERNOR VILSACK SIGNED.

Borg: WHAT ARE YOU VIEWS ON A CURRENT CONTROVERSY ON WHERE PERSONS WHO HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN CONVICTED OF SEX OFFENSES MAY LIVE ONCE THEY HAVE PAID THEIR DEBT TO SOCIETY? THAT IS, SOME FEEL, AS YOU KNOW, THAT THE CURRENT LAW IS TOO RESTRICTIVE. IN FACT, IT'S BEING CHALLENGED IN COURT. BUT OTHERS SAY TOO BAD, LET'S TIGHTEN IT EVEN MORE.

Fallon: THE CURRENT LAW IS UNFORTUNATELY UNWORKABLE. AND I WAS THE ONLY NO VOTE IN THE HOUSE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER THAT. AND I POINTED THAT OUT DURING DEBATE. I SAID, LOOK, I'VE DRAWN THE CIRCLES ON THE MAP IN MY DISTRICT, AND NO SEX OFFENDERS WILL BE ABLE TO LIVE IN MY DISTRICT. DO YOU WANT THEM ALL TO BE IN THE SUBURBS, SMALL TOWNS, RURAL AREAS? WHERE DO YOU WANT THEM? AND NOBODY CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. BUT THEY WENT AHEAD AND VOTED FOR THE BILL BECAUSE OF POLITICS. THERE WAS A FEAR THAT, WELL, IF WE DON'T SUPPORT THIS BILL, WE'LL BE VIEWED AS WEAK ON CRIME. BUT I SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A DEBATE ABOUT WEAK OR SOFT ON CRIME -- TOUGH OR SOFT ON CRIME; IT'S INTELLIGENT POLICY AND THIS DOESN'T WORK.

Glover: BUT AS A PRAGMATIC MATTER, THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE HAS SAID YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TAMPER WITH THIS SEX OFFENDER LAW. AND WITHIN MINUTES THE DEMOCRATIC LEADER OF THE SENATE WEIGHED IN AND SAID WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAMPER WITH THIS LAW. SO ISN'T THE REALITY WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAMPER WITH THIS LAW?

Fallon: WELL, AT LEAST IVERSON HAS HELD OUT SOME HOPE THAT THERE MAY BE AN INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION ON THAT SIDE OF THE AISLE IN THE SENATE. BUT I MEAN IT'S UNWORKABLE. I MEAN YOU KNOW THAT; IT'S UNWORKABLE.

Yepsen: WHY?

Fallon: WELL, LOOK WHAT'S HAPPENING. EVERY CITY IN THE STATE IS STARTING TO PASS THEIR OWN REGULATION ABOUT --

Yepsen: WHAT'S SO --

Fallon: ARE WE GOING TO DECLARE ALL OF IOWA A SEX OFFEND --

Yepsen: WHY NOT?

Fallon: SEX-OFFENDER-FREE ZONE?

Yepsen: WHAT'S WRONG WITH SUGGESTING TO THESE PEOPLE THAT THEY LEAVE IOWA?

Fallon: ALL RIGHT. YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE PROBLEM. FIFTEEN PERCENT OF THOSE WHO ARE LISTED ON THE SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY WILL REPEAT AND ARE DANGEROUS. WE NEED TO ADDRESS THOSE. THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. THAT CONSTITUENCY NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH SERIOUSLY AND EFFECTIVELY. BUT YOU'VE GOT A HUGE CROWD OF PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE FOR OTHER REASONS. YOU KNOW, CONCENTUAL SEX BETWEEN A MINOR AND SOMEONE JUST OVER BEING A MINOR, 18, SAY. A PORNOGRAPHIC INCIDENCE. AND I HEAR FROM THESE PEOPLE, AND MAYBE YOU DO AS WELL. BUT WE'VE BASICALLY CREATED A SYSTEM THAT'S -- THAT'S GOING TO BE -- I MEAN I GOT A CALL FROM SOMEBODY THE OTHER DAY. YOU KNOW, SHE -- SHE'D MADE A MISTAKE YEARS AGO BUT, AGAIN, IT WAS A FAIRLY MILD ONE. BUT NOW HER LIFE HAS BEEN IN ORDER FOR A LONG TIME, AND NOW SHE'S BEING REND FROM HER FAMILY.

Yepsen: I'M SORRY.

Fallon: I DON'T -- THIS APPROACH IS NOT WORKING. PERHAPS WE COULD LOOK AT THE USE OF ELECTRONIC MONITORING BRACELETS FOR THE DANGEROUS OFFENDERS, I MEAN MAYBE SOME OTHER MORE MODEST MONITORING APPROACH FOR THOSE WHO ARE LESS DANGEROUS.

Yepsen: WELL, THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION. I MEAN WE UNDERSTAND -- I UNDERSTAND YOUR CRITICISM OF THE CURRENT SYSTEM. BUT BESIDES ELECTRONIC MONITORING, WHAT WOULD YOU DO DIFFERENTLY?

Fallon: WELL, AGAIN, THERE'S A RANGE OF POSSIBILITIES, AND I DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU CAN'T EXPECT A KNEE-JERK POLITICAL REACTION TO WORK. IT'S GOT TO BE AN INTELLIGENT POLICY-BASED DECISION.

Glover: BUT AS A MATTER -- I WANT TO RETURN TO THE MATTER OF PRAGMATIC REALISTIC POLITICS AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AT THE STATEHOUSE. SEX OFFENDERS DON'T VOTE. AND ISN'T, IN FACT, THAT POLITICAL REALITY DICTATING WHAT THE LEGISLATURE IS GOING TO DO?

Fallon: YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. IT MAKES A GREAT CAMPAIGN BROCHURE, YOU KNOW: WE GOT TOUGH ON SEX OFFENDERS. EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE TOUGH ON THEM.

Glover: AND 125 LEGISLATORS ARE RUNNING FOR ELECTION NEXT YEAR.

Fallon: I KNOW. IT'S A TOUGH ISSUE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME POLITICAL COURAGE AND AN ABILITY TO SEPARATE POLICY FROM POLITICS. AND I'M NOT SURE -- WELL, I'M PRETTY CONVINCED THAT THE SPEAKER AND MIKE GRONSTAL HAVE BOTH MADE IT CLEAR THAT THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO DO THAT. THAT'S UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO LEAD TO CONTINUED BAD POLICY.

Yepsen: MIKE RAISES A QUESTION ABOUT FELONS VOTING. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT GOVERNOR VILSACK'S EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT ALLOWS FELONS TO VOTE BEFORE THEY'VE REPAID THEIR VICTIMS?

Fallon: BEFORE THEY'VE REPAID THEIR VICTIMS? NO, IN ORDER TO GET YOUR VOTING STATUS BACK, YOU HAVE TO --

Yepsen: I'M SORRY.

Fallon: -- YOU HAVE TO FINISH ALL OF THE CONDITIONS OF YOUR PROBATION AND ALL THE CONDITIONS OF RESTITUTION.

Yepsen: YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PAY YOUR RESTITUTION IN ORDER TO HAVE YOUR VOTING RIGHTS RESTORED UNDER THE GOVERNOR'S ORDER.

Fallon: THAT'S -- I WAS -- I WAS UNAWARE OF THAT.

Yepsen: WELL, SHOULD FELONS BE ALLOWED TO VOTE? THAT'S THE QUESTION.

Fallon: OH, YEAH. ONCE YOU'VE GOT ALL YOUR RIGHTS -- WELL, ALL YOUR OBLIGATIONS TAKEN CARE OF, YEAH, YOU SHOULD BECOME A FULL CITIZEN AGAIN.

Glover: ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD TAKE OVER, SHOULD YOU BE SUCCESSFUL IN YOUR QUEST AND BE ELECTED THE NEXT GOVERNOR OF IOWA, IS YOU'LL BECOME COMMANDER OF THE IOWA NATIONAL GUARD. IS THERE SOMETHING YOU CAN DO AS COMMANDER OF THE IOWA NATIONAL GUARD TO AFFECT THE WAY THAT GUARD IS USED FOR THINGS LIKE IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN?

Fallon: UNFORTUNATELY, NO. I KNOW THE GOVERNOR OF SOUTH DAKOTA TRIED THAT UNDER RONALD REAGAN, AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT JUST WENT AHEAD AND DID WHAT THEY WANTED ANYHOW.

Glover: AND SO WHAT COULD YOU DO TO INFLUENCE THE USE OF THE NATIONAL GUARD? AND IS IT YOUR VIEW THAT THE NATIONAL GUARD'S STRENGTH IS BEING DRAINED TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S NOT ABLE TO RESPOND TO THE SORT OF DOMESTIC ISSUES IT WAS CREATED --

Fallon: I AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK -- I MEAN I THINK THE SITUATION IN LOUISIANA WAS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT PROBLEM. THE GUARD WAS NOT MEANT TO BE RELIED UPON AS A PRIMARY SOURCE OF -- SOURCE OF MILITARY FORCE OVERSEAS. BUT WHAT I CAN DO AS GOVERNOR -- I MEAN MY IMPRESSION IS, FROM REGARDING HISTORY ON THIS, IS THAT THERE'S VERY LITTLE THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY DO IN THE FACE OF A PRESIDENTIAL DECISION TO DO OTHERWISE.

Yepsen: MR. FALLON, WE'VE TALKED SOME ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT AND YOUR WORK ON THOSE ISSUES. SO I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT WATER QUALITY. THERE IS A BIG DEBATE GOING ON IN PUBLIC POLICY IN IOWA OVER JUST HOW CLEAN WE NEED TO MAKE OUR WATER. SOME PEOPLE SAY WHEN IT'S SWIMMABLE AND FISHABLE. OTHER PEOPLE SAY THAT'S TOO PRISTINE, WE COULD NEVER AFFORD THAT, THAT A LESSER STANDARD IS APPROPRIATE. HOW DO YOU COME DONE ON THIS DEBATE?

Fallon: WELL, I THINK WATER QUALITY OUGHT TO BE A HUGE PRIORITY.

Yepsen: WELL, EVERYBODY IS FOR THAT.

Fallon: AND I THINK ONE THING I PROPOSED IN THE FIRST FEW YEARS OF MY LEGISLATIVE CAREER WAS BUFFER STRIPS ALONG EVERY STREAM WIDER THAN 16 FEET. AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT -- I REMEMBER BEING KIND OF ATTACKED PRETTY STRONGLY BY FARM BUREAU BACK THEN. I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THAT'S BEEN -- THAT THAT APPROACH IS BEING USED MORE CONSISTENTLY. BUT CLEARLY, WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE WE NEED TO DO. AND IT RELATES NOT JUST TO WHAT'S HAPPENING IN RURAL IOWA. GOSH, LOOK AT CONSTRUCTION SITES IN URBAN AREAS WHERE THEY'RE BUILDING NEW HOMES, AND VERY LITTLE IS BEING DONE TO MANAGE THE SOIL EROSION OF THOSE SITES. YOU CAN SEE INCREDIBLE AMOUNTS OF SOIL RUNNING OFF. THAT NEEDS TO BE BETTER ENFORCED.

Glover: BUT SPECIFICALLY, THE DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES HAS PROPOSED A NEW REGULATION WHICH WOULD ATTACH THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF PROTECTION TO VIRTUALLY EVERY RIVER AND STREAM IN IOWA. THAT'S BEING DEBATED BY LEGISLATIVE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEES AND THE GOVERNOR RIGHT NOW. DO YOU SUPPORT THAT?

Fallon: YES.

Glover: AND IT COULD COST UP TO A BILLION DOLLARS, THEY SAY. HOW DO YOU PAY FOR IT?

Fallon: THERE'S ALL SORTS OF OPTIONS TO PAY FOR IT, BUT YOU HAVE TO ALSO LOOK AT THE COST BENEFIT. IF SUDDENLY YOU'VE GOT RIVERS AND STREAMS THAT AREN'T DRAINING OUR TOPSOIL, THERE'S A HUGE ECONOMIC BENEFIT TO AGRICULTURE OVER TIME AS WE LOSE LESS AND LESS SOIL. THERE'S THE ISSUE OF RECREATION, TOURISM, QUALITY OF LIFE. IT'S HARD TO PUT A PRICE TAG ON THOSE, BUT THEY DO ADD UP TO A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTOR TO OUR ECONOMY.

Yepsen: HOW COERCIVE SHOULD WE START TO GET IN IOWA? WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WATER QUALITY ISSUES IN THIS STATE FOR YEARS, AND WE'VE ALWAYS FOCUSED ON VOLUNTARY APPROACHES AND GETTING PEOPLE TO VOLUNTARILY PUT BUFFER STRIPS IN. IS IT TIME THAT THE GOVERNOR AND THE LEGISLATURE OF THIS STATE DROP THE HAMMER? I MEAN SHOULDN'T WE, FOR EXAMPLE, BAN APPLICATION OF FERTILIZERS IN THE FALL IF THEY HAVE PHOSPHORUS IN THEM?

Fallon: I HAVEN'T THOUGHT THAT THROUGH, DAVID. THAT SOUNDS A LITTLE BIT -- A LITTLE BIT EXTREME. BUT THERE -- WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT WATER IS -- YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE RUNNING THROUGH YOUR PROPERTY, BUT ONCE IT'S THROUGH, IT'S INTO SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY AND OFF INTO THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. BUT, YEAH, THERE OUGHT TO BE A ROLE FOR GOVERNMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT --

Yepsen: WE HAVE 95 PEOPLE WHO DO IT RIGHT. NINETY-FIVE FARMERS AND A WATERSHED CAN HAVE THE BEST FARM PRACTICES IN THE WORLD, BUT THE OTHER 5 PERCENT CAN WRECK IT FOR EVERYBODY. SO AT SOME POINT, DO WE NOT HAVE TO GET MORE COERCIVE IN THE WAY WE DEAL WITH POLLUTION?

Fallon: YEAH, VERY LIKELY. BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE A BALANCE BETWEEN COERCION AND RESPECT FOR AN INDIVIDUAL'S RIGHT TO MANAGE THEIR PROPERTY APPROPRIATELY. AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE REACHED THAT BALANCE. I DO THINK THE GOAL -- AND THIS IS ANOTHER AREA I DO AGREE WITH THE GOVERNOR ON. I DO THINK WE OUGHT TO BE SETTING A GOAL THAT SETS VERY HIGH STANDARDS, AND I THINK WE CAN REACH THAT STANDARD.

Glover: YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT YOU SUPPORT ADDITIONAL SPENDING ON EDUCATION. TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT KIND OF AN EDUCATION PACKAGE YOU WOULD HAVE. WHAT PORTION OF THE EDUCATION SYSTEM WOULD YOU PUT ADDITIONAL RESOURCES IN? PRESCHOOL? K-12? UNIVERSITIES?

Fallon: ALL OF THE ABOVE. WHAT BOTHERS ME IS THAT WE'VE SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASED OUR ALLOWABLE GROWTH FUNDING FOR K-12, AND WE'VE UNDERFUNDED THE STATE UNIVERSITIES AND COMMUNITY COLLEGES TO THE EXTENT THAT TUITION IS GOING UP SIGNIFICANTLY. WHAT I PROPOSED IN 2004 IS ONE EXAMPLE OF HOW I WOULD IGNITE THIS DEBATE AS GOVERNOR. I PROPOSE THAT WE LOOK AT JUST SOME OF THE SPECIAL INTEREST TAX BREAKS THAT HAVE BEEN ENACTED OVER THE PAST NINE YEARS. THEY TOTAL $6.8 BILLION, A BILLION DOLLARS THIS YEAR ALONE. I SAID LET'S JUST TAKE SOME OF THAT MONEY AND RESTORE THE FUNDING THAT HAS BEEN CUT TO EDUCATION AT ALL LEVELS --

Glover: WHICH TAX CUT WOULD YOU REPEAL?

Fallon: I WOULD REPEAL THE SALES TAX EXEMPTION ON HOSPITAL EQUIPMENT. YOU KNOW, I BUY AN ACE BANDAGE FOR MY WRIST, I PAY SALES TAX. BUT IF FOR SOME REASON A HOSPITAL BUYS A CT SCANNER, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY SALES TAX. I THINK THAT'S WRONG. I WOULD REPEAL THE INSURANCE PREMIUM TAX CUT. I REALLY HAVE A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING WHY THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY, ONE OF THE MOST WEALTHY INDUSTRIES IN OUR STATE, NEEDED A TAX BREAK. THERE'S A LONG LIST: SALES TAX EXEMPTIONS ON AIRPLANES, AIRPLANE PARTS, LEASED CARS, FOUNDRY SAND COMPANIES. THERE'S A LONG LIST OF THINGS THAT ADD UP TO AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY OUT OF THE REVENUE STREAM SHIFTING THE BURDEN TO THE PROPERTY TAXPAYER --

Glover: SO IT'S LARGELY SALES TAX EXEMPTIONS YOU WOULD REPEAL. HOW MUCH WOULD YOU GENERATE WITH THAT?

Fallon: MY MATH ON THAT BILL WAS ABOUT 375 MILLION, AND THAT WOULD HAVE RESTORED THE LEVEL OF FUNDING TO THE 2001 LEVEL FOR EVERYTHING FROM EARLY CHILDHOOD ALL THE WAY UP TO THE UNIVERSITIES.

Borg: WOULD YOU SUPPORT A SALES TAX -- STATEWIDE SALES TAX FOR SCHOOL INFRASTRUCTURE?

Fallon: YOU KNOW, THE ONE VOTE THAT I REGRET CASTING AS A LEGISLATOR WAS IN FAVOR OF THE LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX. AND, AGAIN, I HAD MY SUSPICIONS AT THE TIME. BUT I VOTED FOR IT HOPING THAT IT WOULD WORK, AND IT DIDN'T. WHAT IT'S CREATED IS A VERY INEQUITABLE SYSTEM AROUND THE STATE. ACTUALLY POLK COUNTY IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHERE WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM. SUDDENLY YOU'VE GOT A NEW SUBSIDIZED MALL IN DALLAS COUNTY, AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF SALES TAX REVENUE IS SUCKED OUT OF POLK COUNTY. THERE'S GOT TO BE A BETTER SOLUTION THAN THIS, AND PERHAPS A STATEWIDE INFRASTRUCTURE SALES TAX MAKES SENSE.

Yepsen: WE'VE ONLY GOT A MINUTE LEFT, MR. FALLON. YOU MENTIONED WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO WITH SALES TAXES. WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO IOWA'S INCOME TAX?

Fallon: YOU KNOW, THAT'S -- IT NEEDS TO BE PROGRESSIVE. IT'S NOT -- IT'S NOT THAT BAD ACTUALLY. THE PROBLEM IS WE'VE BEEN SHIFTING AGAIN MORE OF THE BURDEN TO THE PROPERTY TAXPAYER. I THINK WHAT I WOULD DO IS ELIMINATE SOME OF THE EXEMPTIONS THAT BENEFIT THOSE WHO REALLY DON'T NEED THEM, THOSE AT THE TOP, THOSE WHO HAVE A HIGH-PRICED LOBBYIST. THAT TO ME IS WHAT SHOULD CHANGE. I DON'T SUPPORT THE IDEA OF A FLAT TAX. I KNOW IT HAS APPEAL TO VANDER PLAATS AND APPEAL TO OTHERS BECAUSE OF ITS SIMPLICITY, BUT OFTENTIMES THE SIMPLEST SOLUTION IS NOT ALWAYS THE MOST LOGICAL AND THE MOST FAIR.

Borg: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING TIME TO BE WITH US TODAY.

Fallon: YOU'RE WELCOME.

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