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Representative Ed Fallon

posted on May 15, 2006

Borg: IOWA DEMOCRATS CHOOSE THEIR CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR. WE'LL QUESTION TWO OF THE FOUR CANDIDATES: STATE REPRESENTATIVE ED FALLON OF DES MOINES AND SIOUX CITY ENGINEER SAL MOHAMED, ON A SPECIAL ONE-HOUR EDITION OF 'IOWA PRESS.'

FUNDING FOR THIS PROGRAM WAS PROVIDED BY 'FRIENDS,' THE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION FOUNDATION; BY THE IOWA BANKERS ASSOCIATION... FOR PERSONAL, BUSINESS, AND COMMERCIAL NEEDS, IOWA BANKS HELP IOWANS REACH THEIR FINANCIAL GOALS; BY THE ASSOCIATED GENERAL CONTRACTORS OF IOWA, THE PUBLIC'S PARTNER IN BUILDING IOWA'S HIGHWAY, BRIDGE, AND MUNICIPAL UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE; AND BY CAPITOL RESOURCES, INC., LOCATED IN BROOKLYN, IOWA; AND BY NICOLE SCHLINGER AND ERIC LANGE INDIVIDUALLY, FUND-RAISING AND COMMUNICATION SERVICES FOR MAJOR CAMPAIGNS SINCE 1996.

ON STATEWIDE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION, THIS IS THE FRIDAY, MAY 12 EDITION OF 'IOWA PRESS.' HERE IS DEAN BORG.

Borg: ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE OF THE POLITICAL EQUATION, THE CAMPAIGN TO REPLACE GOVERNOR TOM VILSACK AS IOWA'S CHIEF EXECUTIVE IS SETTLED. CONGRESSMAN JIM NUSSLE OF MANCHESTER WILL HAVE THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION FOR GOVERNOR. DEMOCRATS WILL CHOOSE THEIR NOMINEE IN THE STATE PARTY PRIMARY ON TUESDAY, JUNE 6. AND ON THAT PRIMARY BALLOT IS STATE REPRESENTATIVE ED FALLON OF DES MOINES, WHO HAS THE DISTINCTION OF BEING THE FIRST REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT TO DECLARE HIS CANDIDACY. FALLON HAS SERVED SEVEN TERMS IN THE IOWA HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, FIRST ELECTED IN 1992. WELCOME BACK TO 'IOWA PRESS,' REPRESENTATIVE FALLON.

Fallon: GOOD TO BE HERE, DEAN.

Borg: YOU KNOW THE GENTLEMEN ACROSS THE TABLE: 'DES MOINES REGISTER' POLITICAL COLUMNIST DAVID YEPSEN AND 'ASSOCIATED PRESS' SENIOR POLITICAL WRITER MIKE GLOVER.

Glover: REPRESENTATIVE FALLON, ONE OF THE CENTRAL PIECES OF YOUR CAMPAIGN IS YOUR APPROACH AND YOUR CRITICISM OF THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION'S APPROACH TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WHIRLPOOL JUST ANNOUNCED THAT IT'S GOING TO CLOSE THE MAYTAG MANUFACTURING PLANT IN NEWTON. IS THAT EVIDENCE THAT THE STATE'S CURRENT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POLICIES AREN'T WORKING?

Fallon: WELL, I THINK IT'S ONE MORE PIECE OF EVIDENCE THAT THAT IS THE CASE. AND I FEEL TERRIBLE FOR THE FAMILIES OF MAYTAG AND FOR THE COMMUNITY OF NEWTON AND COMMUNITIES IN THE AREA WHERE OTHER MAYTAG EMPLOYEES LIVE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN DO WHEN PROBLEMS LIKE NAFTA AFFECT THE MANUFACTURING BASE IN THIS COUNTRY. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S CLEAR TO ME THAT SPENDING $24 MILLION IN TAXPAYERS' MONEY OVER THE PAST DECADE HAS DONE NOTHING TO KEEP THOSE JOBS IN NEWTON. IN FACT, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE ALL WE'VE DONE IS ENRICH THE OUTGOING CEO WITH A SEVERANCE PACKAGE OF $19 MILLION. NOW, I'M GLAD THAT THE GOVERNOR IS NOW TARGETING SOME MONEY TO HELP WITH JOB TRAINING AND OTHER TRANSITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR THOSE WORKERS BUT, AGAIN, IT'S CLEAR TO ME THAT THE STATE'S APPROACH NEEDS TO FOCUS MORE ON INFRASTRUCTURE THAT ENABLES SMALL BUSINESSES WHO ARE NOT GOING TO JUST PACK UP AND LEAVE THE STATE.

Glover: AND WHAT WOULD A GOVERNOR ED FALLON HAVE DONE OVER THE LAST FIVE OR TEN YEARS TO HELP PREVENT THAT, OR WAS THERE ANYTHING A GOVERNOR CAN DO?

Fallon: WELL, AGAIN, I WOULDN'T BE THROWING A LOT OF MONEY AT A COMPANY THAT IS, AGAIN -- FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORY OF MANUFACTURING JOBS IN THE U.S. SINCE NAFTA IS NOT FAVORABLE. THAT'S NOT A WISE INVESTMENT OF TAXPAYER MONEY. AGAIN, I THINK WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS INVEST IN QUALITY OF LIFE, IN COMMUNITY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT MAKES IT POSSIBLE TO FOSTER A STRONG COMMUNITY, A STRONG WORK FORCE. YOU KNOW, MORE THAN ANYTHING, I THINK MOST BUSINESSES WANT A HIGH-QUALITY WORK FORCE. THEY WANT TO USE THEIR BUSINESS INTELLIGENCE TO GAIN A PROFIT. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ONLY THROW SO MUCH PUBLIC MONEY AT THEM, AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO EVER MATCH WHAT -- YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY CAN ACCOMPLISH WITH THEIR OWN INTELLIGENCE.

Yepsen: MR. FALLON, HOW DO WE IN IOWA REPAIR NEWTON? HOW DO WE IN IOWA HELP OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE GOING THROUGH THIS SAME TRANSITION? THIS ISN'T THE FIRST MANUFACTURING PLANT TO CLOSE. IT PROBABLY WON'T BE THE LAST. WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE TO DO TO HELP THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE GOING THROUGH THIS?

Fallon: WELL, DIVERSITY IS CRITICAL. YOU CAN'T HAVE ALL YOUR APPLES IN ONE BASKET. YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE AS BROAD AN ECONOMIC BASE AS POSSIBLE. AND THAT MEANS, MOST IMPORTANT, INVESTING IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT MAKES IT POSSIBLE FOR SMALL BUSINESSES TO DEVELOP AND THRIVE. YOU KNOW, I READ ABOUT A GENTLEMAN WORKING AT MAYTAG WHO WAS TRYING TO START UP A SALSA BUSINESS. WE OUGHT TO HELP HIM WITH THAT. THERE'S A MARKET FOR THAT. AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS WE COULD DO, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THEY DON'T GET THAT BIG -- THAT BIG PRESS COVERAGE. LITTLE THINGS THAT END UP ADDING UP TO A BIG IMPACT ARE WHAT REALLY MATTER. AND TO ME, PROGRAMS LIKE THE IOWA MAIN STREET PROGRAM, SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT CENTERS, A REVOLVING LOAN FUND TO HELP IDEAS GET INCUBATED AND STARTED, INVESTING IN RENEWABLE ENERGY, BUT MAKING SURE THAT THAT RENEWABLE ENERGY INDUSTRY IS CONTROLLED, OWNED, AND OPERATED BY IOWANS AND BY IOWA FARMERS, NOT BY MIDAMERICAN ENERGY AND CARGILL AND ADM, THOSE KIND OF THINGS ARE GOING TO CREATE JOBS IN AN ECONOMY THAT WILL STAY IN THE STATE AND NOT JUST PACK UP AND MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

Borg: ON THAT LINE, YOU BLAME THE NORTH AMERICAN FREE TRADE ACT, NAFTA, FOR SOME OF THE PROBLEMS OF INDUSTRY. SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE STATE OF IOWA SHOULD NOT BE LOOKING TOWARD ITS EXISTING INDUSTRY NOW, WINNEBAGO IN FOREST CITY, AMANA, WHICH WAS SPARED IN THE WHIRLPOOL CLOSINGS? DON'T INVEST IN KEEPING THOSE JOBS HERE BUT INSTEAD INVEST IN COMMUNITIES?

Fallon: WELL, REDEFINE INVESTMENT. AGAIN, I THINK BUSINESSES MORE THAN ANYTHING WANT A GREAT WORK FORCE. AND IOWA HAS THE BEST WORK FORCE IN THE NATION. I'VE HAD BUSINESS EXECUTIVES FROM COMPANIES THAT HAVE MOVED HERE FROM OTHER STATES, OTHER COUNTRIES, TELL ME, TELL THE HOUSE ECONOMIC GROWTH COMMITTEE THAT WE HAVE THE GREATEST WORK FORCE IN THE NATION. LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE INVESTING IN THE THINGS THAT THAT WORK FORCE NEEDS. LET'S DO BETTER FOR OUR SCHOOLS. LET'S FIX THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM SO THAT SO MANY IOWANS AREN'T FALLING THROUGH THE CRACKS. AND LET'S INVEST IN COMMUNITY AMENITIES, HELP MAKE OUR CITIES AND TOWNS MORE VIBRANT, ATTRACTIVE PLACES TO LIVE.

Borg: BUT THAT'S ONE PART OF THE EQUATION. BUT WHAT ABOUT KEEPING THOSE INDUSTRIES HEALTHY SO THAT THERE ARE JOBS THERE?

Fallon: AGAIN, WE HAVE TO BE HONEST WITH OURSELVES. THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN DO TO TINKER WITH A FREE-MARKET ECONOMY. AND IF A BUSINESS IS GOING TO USE THE BENEFITS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED BY NAFTA TO MOVE OVERSEAS -- AND AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE BENEFITS EITHER TO OUR WORKERS OR TO THE COUNTRIES THAT ARE GETTING THOSE DOLLAR-AN-HOUR JOBS. BUT IF THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, THERE'S NOT A LOT WE CAN DO. WHAT WE CAN DO IS ASSURE THAT THE ECONOMY IS DIVERSE AND STRONG AND THAT WE HAVE THE KINDS OF COMMUNITIES THAT -- THE FOUNDATION OF A STRONG ECONOMY.

Yepsen: MR. FALLON, ONE OF THE FLASH POINTS IN THIS PRIMARY THAT YOU HAVE WITH CHET CULVER AND MIKE BLOUIN IS THE VALUES FUND. AND YOU HAVE BEEN CRITICAL OF THAT FROM THE GIT-GO AS CORPORATE WELFARE, AND YET THEY WILL TELL YOU THIS IS PART OF THE GAME THAT IOWA HAS TO PLAY IN ORDER TO KEEP AND ATTRACT SOME OF THESE NEW BUSINESSES. YEAH, IT MAY NOT HAVE WORKED OUT WITH MAYTAG, BUT IT DOES SEEM TO BE WORKING WITH WELLS FARGO AND THE JOBS THEY BROUGHT. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT CRITICISM?

Fallon: WELL, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN SAY IT'S WORKING WITH WELLS FARGO. HERE'S A COMPANY THAT MADE $7.7 BILLION IN PROFIT LAST YEAR. THE FIRST QUARTER OF THIS YEAR ALONE, THEY MADE OVER $2 BILLION IN PROFIT.

Yepsen: BUT THEY PUT JOBS IN IOWA IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

Fallon: RIGHT. BUT DID THEY NEED A HANDOUT TO DO IT? I DON'T BELIEVE THEY DID.

Yepsen: THEY SAY THEY DID.

Fallon: WELL, SURE THEY WOULD. YOU KNOW, ANYBODY IS GOING TO SAY -- THEY'LL TAKE -- IF YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE SOMEBODY A HANDOUT, THEY'LL TAKE IT.

Yepsen: SO GOVERNOR ED FALLON WOULD TELL WELLS FARGO TAKE A HIKE?

Fallon: NO, I'D SAY: LOOK, WE'VE GOT A GREAT WORK FORCE IN THIS STATE; WE'VE GOT THE KIND OF PLACE THAT YOUR COMPANY IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO THRIVE; THE TAX STRUCTURE IS COMPETITIVE; WE'VE GOT, AGAIN -- WE'VE GOT RESEARCH INSTITUTIONS THAT CAN BENEFIT YOU; WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY AMENITIES THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE IT ATTRACTIVE FOR YOUR PEOPLE TO WANT TO STAY. I THINK MORE THAN ANYTHING THAT'S WHAT COMPANIES WANT. YOU KNOW, PAUL O'NEILL WITH ALCOA SAID, 'YOU KNOW, IF YOU GIVE ME AN INCENTIVE, I'LL TAKE IT BUT THAT'S NOT THE MAIN REASON ANY GOOD BUSINESSMAN DOES -- MAKES A BUSINESS DECISION.'

Glover: REPRESENTATIVE FALLON, A NUMBER OF THINGS YOU TALKED ABOUT -- FIXING THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM, DEALING WITH THE NORTH AMERICAN FREE TRADE AGREEMENT -- ARE NATIONAL OR INTERNATIONAL ISSUES. GIVE ME A COMMERCIAL. WHAT WOULD A GOVERNOR ED FALLON DO, AND WHY SHOULD A DEMOCRAT VOTE FOR ED FALLON FOR GOVERNOR?

Fallon: NAFTA IS A NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL ISSUE. I CANNOT FIX THAT AS GOVERNOR, BUT WE'VE GOT THE ADDRESS THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IN IOWA. I DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THAT, MIKE. I THINK THAT HAS BECOME A STATE ISSUE.

Glover: BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WON'T ACT?

Fallon: THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS DONE NOTHING. SINCE HARRY TRUMAN IT'S BEEN A DEAD ISSUE. I MEAN YOU'VE GOT MORE DRUG COMPANY LOBBYISTS ON CAPITOL HILL IN WASHINGTON, D.C., THAN YOU DO MEMBERS OF CONGRESS. THAT'S A GOOD INDICATOR OF THE PROBLEM. BUT NOW WE HAVE THE STATE OF MAINE AND MASSACHUSETTS THAT HAVE ENACTED THEIR OWN UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE SYSTEMS. WE HAVE MANY OTHER STATES THAT ARE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. VERMONT MADE SOME SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS. ILLINOIS IS MAKING PROGRESS. THERE'S NO REASON IOWA CAN'T TAKE THAT BULL BY THE HORNS AND BEGIN TO CRAFT OUR OWN SYSTEM.

Glover: AND DO WHAT?

Fallon: WELL, AGAIN, THE DETAILS ARE CHALLENGING. OF ALL THE THINGS I WANT TO DO, MIKE, THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST COMPLICATED. BUT WE HAVE TO KEEP THE GOAL IN MIND. THE GOAL SHOULD BE TO CREATE A SYSTEM WHERE ALL IOWANS HAVE FAIR ACCESS AND AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE. IDEALLY I'D ALSO LIKE TO TAKE THE BURDEN OF HEALTH CARE OFF THE BACKS OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. I THINK IT'S VERY UNFAIR TO BUSINESSES TO DUMP THAT RESPONSIBILITY ON THEIR SHOULDERS. IT'S ALSO UNFAIR TO EMPLOYEES WHO WANT TO SWITCH JOBS. THEIR HEALTH CARE SHOULD BE PORTABLE. THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO FROM ONE JOB TO ANOTHER WITHOUT LOSING THEIR HEALTH CARE.

Yepsen: MR. FALLON, I WANT TO GO BACK TO A LARGER QUESTION THAT MIKE ASKED YOU. JUST GIVE US A COMMERCIAL. WHY SHOULD A DEMOCRAT WATCHING US TODAY VOTE FOR YOU FOR GOVERNOR?

Fallon: WELL, AGAIN, MY CAMPAIGN ISN'T JUST APPEALING TO DEMOCRATS. ABOUT 20 PERCENT OF MY STRONGEST SUPPORTERS ARE REPUBLICANS AND INDEPENDENTS. A SIGNIFICANT SHARE OF THOSE DEMOCRATS SUPPORTING ME HAVE NOT PARTICIPATED IN THE PRIMARY ELECTION PROCESS BEFORE BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T SEEN A REASON TO GET INVOLVED. I'M GIVING A LOT OF PEOPLE A LOT OF HOPE BECAUSE PEOPLE REALIZE THE GOVERNMENT HAS BECOME A PAWN OF SPECIAL INTERESTS. AND YOU SEE THAT IN CAMPAIGN FINANCE REPORTS, YOU SEE IT IN THE NUMBER OF LOBBYISTS THAT ARE PAID HUGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY TO WORK FOR THEIR CLIENTS FOR FOUR MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR. AND UNFORTUNATELY, STATE GOVERNMENT HAS BECOME A FEEDING TROUGH FOR THESE SPECIAL INTERESTS. AND SO THE THINGS THAT MOST PEOPLE CARE ABOUT, LIKE EDUCATION AND HEALTH CARE AND WATER QUALITY AND PUBLIC SAFETY, THOSE ISSUES ARE BEING NEGLECTED OR THROWN CHUMP CHANGE WHILE SPECIAL INTERESTS ARE GETTING PAYBACK IN THE FORM OF TAX BREAKS AND HANDOUTS.

Yepsen: ONE OF THE THINGS WE LIKE TO DO WHEN WE INTERVIEW CANDIDATES IS TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THEIR NEGATIVES AND GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO RESPOND.

Fallon: I HAVE NEGATIVES, DAVID? [ LAUGHTER ]

Yepsen: WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I -- ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT I HEAR FROM DEMOCRATS ABOUT YOU IS THAT IN 2000 YOU ENDORSED RALPH NADER FOR PRESIDENT, AND THIS IS THE SORT OF THING THAT HELPED DEFEAT AL GORE. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO A DEMOCRAT WHO'S CONCERNED ABOUT THAT?

Fallon: WELL, CERTAINLY IT DIDN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN IOWA, FORTUNATELY, AND AGAIN, THAT PROBABLY WASN'T MY BEST DECISION. BUT MY FRUSTRATION, A FRUSTRATION SHARED BY MANY DEMOCRATS AND MANY IOWANS, IS THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS -- THERE'S THIS CORPORATE WING OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY THAT HAS I THINK ERODED THE BASIC CORE VALUES THAT DEMOCRATS HAVE HISTORICALLY STOOD FOR. AND AGAIN, WHILE THAT WASN'T MY BEST DECISION, MY CRITICISM REMAINS IN TACT. THE PARTY HAS TO BECOME MORE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE INTERESTS OF THE PUBLIC. AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT CRITICS FAILED TO POINT OUT, DAVID, IS THAT I WORKED HARD FOR JOHN KERRY AND I PROBABLY HELPED ABOUT 30 DEMOCRATS OVER THE YEAR -- PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS WHO WERE RUNNING FOR THE HOUSE OR THE SENATE. YOU KNOW, AND THE CRITICISM -- THAT WAS SIX YEARS AGO. THEY GAVE ME A STRONG OPPONENT, AND I BEAT HIM TWO TO ONE, SO I'M NOT REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THAT NOW.

Glover: LET'S GO BACK TO SOME OF THE BASICS THAT HAPPEN IN PRIMARY POLITICS IN BOTH PARTIES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PRIMARY VOTERS ARE DOING IS PICKING A CANDIDATE TO RUN IN THE GENERAL ELECTION. AS DEAN MENTIONED, JIM NUSSLE WILL BE THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE. CAN YOU WIN A DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY, AND WOULD A DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY VOTER BE WASTING THEIR VOTE BY VOTING FOR YOU?

Fallon: I THINK I'M THE ONLY ONE OF THE CANDIDATES WHO CAN BEAT JIM NUSSLE, TO BE QUITE HONEST. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE IS AN IOWA DEMOCRAT THAT BEATS REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMEN ALL THE TIME, AND THAT'S TOM HARKIN. AND TOM HARKIN CRITICIZES TRICKLE-DOWN ECONOMICS. HE STANDS UP FOR THE POOR, FOR THE WORKING PEOPLE OF THIS STATE. HE'S GOT A STRONG TRACK RECORD OF DOING THAT. THAT'S THE KIND OF CANDIDATE I AM AS WELL. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN BEAT JIM NUSSLE BY BEING REPUBLICAN LIGHT, BY HAVING A STRONG RECORD OF DOING GOOD THINGS FOR BIG COMPANIES THAT DON'T NEED HANDOUTS. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN RUN AGAINST JIM NUSSLE BY NOT HAVING A STRONG TRACK RECORD, AND I THINK I'VE GOT THAT STRONG TRACK RECORD THAT SHOWS AN ALTERNATIVE VISION FOR HOW IOWA OUGHT TO WORK. AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, THAT AND HAVING A STRONG GRASS-ROOTS ORGANIZATION.

Glover: AND THERE ARE THOSE WHO SAY YOU'RE A SPOILER IN THIS RACE, THAT YOU COULD DRAIN VOTES AWAY FROM CHET CULVER AND HELP NOMINATE MIKE BLOUIN. HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT?

Fallon: I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN CALL ANYBODY A SPOILER IN A PRIMARY. I MEAN MAYBE YOU COULD DESCRIBE RALPH NADER OR ROSS PEROT AS SPOILERS IN A GENERAL ELECTION WHEN YOU'VE GOT TWO PARTIES AND THEN YOU THROW A THIRD IN. BUT IN A GENERAL -- IN A PRIMARY, I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THAT MAKES ANY SENSE ANY MORE THAN SAYING CHET CULVER OR MIKE BLOUIN ARE SPOILERS FOR ME. TO ME IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

Yepsen: REPRESENTATIVE FALLON, LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE ISSUES, SPECIFIC ISSUES THAT WILL CONFRONT THE NEXT GOVERNOR. THERE'S A THING CALLED CIETC, THE CENTRAL IOWA EMPLOYMENT TRAINING CONSORTIUM. BIG CONTROVERSY OVER THAT. WHAT WAS THE CAUSE OF THAT PROBLEM, AND WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO CLEAN IT UP?

Fallon: WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I'D APPOINT HEADS OF EVERY AGENCY WHO ARE COMMITTED TO WEEDING OUT ANY CORRUPTION OR MISMANAGEMENT OR DUPLICATION IN THEIR AGENCY. AND, YOU KNOW, CIETC, I WAS ON TO RAMONA CUNNINGHAM BACK IN 1994 WHEN I CAUGHT HER WASTING 330,000 BUCKS A YEAR BY DUPLICATING A SERVICE WITHIN THAT PROGRAM. AND DESPITE RESISTANCE FROM THE LEADERSHIP IN THE IOWA HOUSE, WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT FIXED. WE WERE ABLE TO STOP THAT WASTE. NOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE LEGISLATIVE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE BROADEN THAT INVESTIGATION TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE 1980S. I THINK THEY WILL FIND A LOT MORE WASTE, A LOT MORE DUPLICATION. AND THEY OUGHT TO ALSO BE LOOKING AT WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT. I MEAN JANE BARTO WAS THE ONE WHO, YOU KNOW, STONEWALLED ME WHEN I WAS TRYING TO GET WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT TO DEVELOP A TRACKING MECHANISM FOR THE VALUES FUND JOBS.

Yepsen: IS THIS AN EMBARRASSMENT FOR DEMOCRATS? DOES IT JUST PROVE THAT GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS DON'T WORK?

Fallon: I DON'T THINK IT'S AN EMBARRASSMENT FOR DEMOCRATS ANY MORE THAN FOR ANYBODY AT ALL. I THINK IT JUST MAKES ALL OF STATE GOVERNMENT LOOK SLOPPY. BUT AGAIN, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A CLEAN GOVERNMENT PERSON. I'VE ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT TRYING TO ASSURE ACCOUNTABILITY, AND I HAVE A HISTORY ON THIS ISSUE. SO I THINK IT PAINTS A LOTS OF THOSE IN GOVERNMENT AS INCOMPETENT, BUT FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE BEEN A VOICE FOR ACCOUNTABILITY, I THINK IT ACTUALLY HELPS US.

Glover: AND TO BE CLEAR, WHEN YOU SAY YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE BROADEN ITS INVESTIGATION, IS THIS OF WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT OR OF GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS IN GENERAL?

Fallon: I THINK OF CIETC, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, AND THE VALUES FUND BECAUSE -- JANE BARTO, AGAIN, WAS THE ONE IN WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT THAT TRIED TO PREVENT ME FROM GETTING ADEQUATE INFORMATION ABOUT THE VALUES FUND. SO I'D BE INTERESTED IN SEEING JUST HOW BROAD THAT CIRCLE GOES IF WE CONDUCTED A VERY THOROUGH INVESTIGATION.

Yepsen: MR. FALLON, TAX POLICY. WHAT WOULD GOVERNOR ED FALLON DO ABOUT OUR TAX POLICIES?

Fallon: WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD END THE PRACTICE OF CREATING SPECIAL INCOME AND SALES TAX BREAKS FOR CORPORATE INTERESTS, FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE -- HAPPEN TO HAVE A COZY RELATIONSHIP WITH LAWMAKERS THROUGH THEIR CAMPAIGN DONATIONS. AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE SEE THAT HAPPENING ALL THE TIME. EVEN THIS YEAR -- BACK IN APRIL WE HAD, YOU KNOW, TAX CUTS WERE PASSED FOR ASPHALT COMPANIES, A COMPANY THAT CRUSHES GLASS. I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT MAKES ANY SENSE EXCEPT THAT ITS PAYBACK. SO TO ME, WE'D END THAT PRACTICE. WE'D ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT ALL THE TAX CUTS THAT HAVE BEEN PASSED IN THE PAST TEN YEARS WHICH, AGAIN, TOTAL WELL OVER $7 BILLION. I'D WANT TO SEE WHICH ONES WE COULD REASONABLY REPEAL SO WE COULD CREATE A MORE EQUITABLE TAX STRUCTURE BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENED IS NOT ONLY HAVE WE HAD TO CUT BASIC SERVICES, BUT THIS WHOLE TAX CUT FETISH HAS FORCED THE BURDEN ONTO THE PROPERTY TAXPAYERS. YOU KNOW, IF YOU CUT TAXES FOR SOMEONE, YOU'VE GOT TO CUT SERVICES AND YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO SHIFT THE BURDEN TO SOMEONE ELSE, AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED. IN MY EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL PAYERS AND PARTICULARLY SMALL BUSINESSES ARE BEING SADDLED WITH HIGHER PROPERTY TAXES THAT THEY CAN ILL-AFFORD TO PAY.

Glover: ANOTHER ISSUE THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME AND CONTINUES TO BE A CONTROVERSY AROUND THE STATEHOUSE IS THE ENVIRONMENT, CLEAN WATER, AND WHAT TO DO TO REGULATE BIG HOG LOT OPERATIONS. WHAT WOULD A GOVERNOR ED FALLON DO TO CHANGE THE WAY THE STATE REGULATES THOSE OPERATIONS?

Fallon: WELL, JUST THIS WEEK AT CLEAR LAKE, I INTRODUCED A PROPOSAL FOR INCREASING IOWA'S INVESTMENT IN CLEAN WATER. AND PART OF THAT IS IMPROVING THE ENVIRONMENT FOR CREATING MORE BUFFER STRIPS. IT ALSO INCLUDES BETTER REGULATION OF CORPORATE HOG CONFINEMENTS. AND I'VE ALWAYS --

Glover: WHAT WOULD BETTER REGULATION ENTAIL?

Fallon: WELL, BACK IN 1995 I WAS ONE OF THE LEADERS ON THE AG COMMITTEE WORKING TO PREVENT THAT LEGISLATION FROM EVER PASSING, WHICH I THINK CREATED THAT UNLEVEL PLAYING FIELD THAT HAS ENABLED CORPORATE GIANTS TO COME IN AND TAKE OVER. WE'VE GOT TO DO MORE TO -- WE'VE GOT TO HAVE STIFFER PENALTIES AND BETTER MONITORING, BUT MOST IMPORTANT, WE NEED LOCAL CONTROL. LOCAL CITIZENS OUGHT TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DETERMINE WHETHER AND WHERE A LARGE CONFINEMENT SHOULD GO IN THEIR COUNTY.

Yepsen: EDUCATION IS ALWAYS A BIG ISSUE IN IOWA POLITICS, MR. FALLON, AS YOU KNOW. WHAT WOULD YOU DO ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF K-12 SCHOOLS?

Fallon: WELL, AGAIN, A BIG ISSUE IS FUNDING. AND FUNDING FOR K-12 SCHOOLS HAS BEEN CUT SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE 2001. IN THE RECENT BUDGET, WE'VE DONE BETTER. BUT BACK IN 2004, AGAIN, I MADE A SPECIFIC PROPOSAL. I INDICATED THERE WAS SOME TAX CUTS AGAIN THAT WE COULD LOOK AT REPEALING IN ORDER TO RESTORE THE FUNDS THAT HAD BEEN CUT. THAT'S CRITICAL. TO ME IT'S ALSO REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT K-12 EDUCATION IS FIRST AND FOREMOST ABOUT LEARNING, ABOUT EDUCATING, ABOUT GIVING OUR KIDS A LOVE OF KNOWLEDGE SO THEY CAN BECOME HEALTHY, PRODUCTIVE, CRITICALLY THINKING PARTICIPANTS IN A DEMOCRACY. TRYING TO CREATE A -- TRYING TO SAY THAT K-12 BECOMES JUST ANOTHER STEP IN HELPING TO GROOM PEOPLE FOR THE WORK FORCE IS THE WRONG APPROACH. AGAIN, THINGS THAT HELP YOU PREPARE FOR YOUR JOB LATER IN LIFE ARE IMPORTANT. BUT WHAT I HEAR CONCERNS ME THAT MORE AND MORE OF THE FOCUS IS ON THAT AND LESS AND LESS ON THE RUDIMENTS THAT REALLY MAKE FOR A STRONG --

Yepsen: HOW CAN YOU SAY WE HAVE CUT SPENDING FOR EDUCATION WHEN IT'S INCREASED EVERY YEAR AND WHEN WE SPEND -- WE'RE NOW SPENDING IN IOWA $3.2 BILLION -- THAT'S A RECORD SUM -- TO EDUCATE FEWER STUDENTS?

Fallon: WHEN YOU -- WHEN YOU GIVE SCHOOLS LESS THAN THE RATE OF INFLATION, THAT AMOUNTS TO A CUT. IF YOUR -- IF YOUR EXPENSES ARE GOING UP 2 OR 3 PERCENT, 3 OR MORE PERCENT IN SOME CASES, AND YOUR ALLOWABLE GROWTH FROM THE STATE IS AT 1.7 PERCENT AND THAT WAS THE AVERAGE, THEN, YEAH, THAT AMOUNTS TO A CUT. AND WHEN THE STATE MAKES A COMMITMENT TO A TEACHER QUALITY PROGRAM THAT OVER FIVE YEARS IS SUPPOSE TO DELIVER $300 MILLION TO HELP GET TEACHER SALARIES TO THE NATIONAL AVERAGE AND INSTEAD THE STATE DELIVERS OVER $70 MILLION WHILE CREATING A VALUES FUND AND MORE TAX BREAKS, THEN CLEARLY THE STATE'S COMMITMENT TO EDUCATION I THINK HAS FLOUNDERED.

Glover: ANOTHER BIG ISSUE AT THE STATEHOUSE HAS BEEN WHAT DOES THE STATE DO WITH SEX OFFENDERS, SEX CRIMINALS. THERE WAS A LOT OF PROPOSALS FLOATING AROUND. NOTHING MUCH HAPPENED IN THE LEGISLATURE THIS YEAR ON THAT. WHAT WOULD GOVERNOR ED FALLON DO TO TOUGHEN OR CHANGE THE STATE LAW ON SEX OFFENDERS?

Fallon: WELL, THE FIRST THING, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT STATE REPRESENTATIVE ED FALLON DIDN'T DO WAS VOTE FOR THAT 2,000-FOOT BILL. AND I WAS THE ONLY LEGISLATOR THAT SAID NO TO THAT, BECAUSE I KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE UNWORKABLE. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE UP THERE AT THE TIME WHO ALSO KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE UNWORKABLE, BUT THEY VOTED FOR IT BECAUSE THEY FELT THE COURTS WOULD STRIKE IT DOWN FOR SOME SUCH REASON. BUT TO ME YOU SHOULDN'T PASS POLICY BECAUSE IT WILL LOOK GOOD IN A CAMPAIGN BROCHURE; THAT'S A BIG MISTAKE. AND HERE WE SEE A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHY THAT'S A BIG MISTAKE. TO ME WE NEED INTELLIGENT CRIMINAL JUSTICE POLICY THAT FOCUSES ON FIRST AND FOREMOST PUBLIC SAFETY, LOCKING UP DANGEROUS OFFENDERS. BUT WE HAVE TO START USING COMMUNITY-BASED CORRECTIONS, REAL-TIME ELECTRONIC MONITORING BRACELETS, AND THINGS THAT REALLY WORK FOR LESS COST, AND WITHOUT PUTTING PEOPLE INTO A PRISON SYSTEM THAT, YOU KNOW, ENDS UP TURNING THEM OUT AND THEN SENDING THEM BACK IN. I MEAN 40 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE WHO GET OUT OF IOWA PRISONS END UP BACK IN THERE. PRISONS HAVE BEEN DESCRIBED AS FINISHING SCHOOLS FOR CRIMINALS, AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT.

Glover: DOES THIS STATE NEED A NEW PRISON?

Fallon: ABSOLUTELY NOT. ABSOLUTELY NOT.

Glover: WHY?

Fallon: WELL, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW ABOUT 80 PERCENT OF THOSE IN PRISON ARE NONVIOLENT OFFENDERS. MANY HAVE A DRUG OR ALCOHOL ABUSE PROBLEM. AGAIN, SOME OF THEM PROBABLY NEED TO BE SPENDING SOME TIME IN PRISON, BUT WE -- IF WE WERE GETTING THEM INVOLVED IN COMMUNITY-BASED CORRECTIONS PROGRAMS WHERE THEY COULD CONTINUE TO WORK, PAY TAXES, MAINTAIN SOME CONNECTION WITH THEIR SUPPORT SYSTEMS IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT WOULD BE A LOT MORE EFFECTIVE AND LESS EXPENSIVE THAN THE CURRENT APPROACH.

Yepsen: WHAT ABOUT HIGHER EDUCATION? WE TALKED ABOUT K-12. TALK ABOUT COMMUNITY COLLEGES, REGENTS INSTITUTIONS, PRIVATE COLLEGES. WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO HELP THEM?

Fallon: WELL, AGAIN, I PROPOSE RESTORING THE FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN CUT TO COMMUNITY COLLEGES, TO STATE UNIVERSITIES.

Yepsen: AND AGAIN, YOU SEE THIS AS A NET CUT AS OPPOSED TO JUST SLOWING THE RATE OF --

Fallon: RIGHT. AGAIN, WHEN YOUR COSTS CONTINUE TO GO UP BECAUSE OF INFLATION AND -- I MEAN LOOK AT HEALTH CARE. I MEAN ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE HITTING ALL OF US PERSONALLY, INDIVIDUALLY, ARE ALSO HITTING OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEMS. AND IF YOU'RE -- IF YOU'RE GIVING COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES A REIMBURSEMENT THAT'S LOWER THAN THAT RATE, IT'S A DEFECTIVE CUT. I MEAN HOW ELSE DO YOU EXPLAIN THE FACT THAT THE STATE UNIVERSITIES HAVE SEEN A 62-PERCENT RISE IN TUITION OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS? THAT'S UNSUSTAINABLE. A LOT OF FAMILIES CAN'T MEET THAT INCREASING OBLIGATION. I'M A MIDDLE-INCOME PERSON MYSELF. I KNOW THAT'S UNUSUAL TO BE RUNNING FOR HIGHER OFFICE WHEN YOU'RE MIDDLE CLASS, BUT I'VE GOT A KID IN COLLEGE. I'M PERSONALLY STRUGGLING WITH JUST HOW CHALLENGING IT IS TO MEET THOSE COSTS. AND WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE WHO WILL BE GOING TO COLLEGE THIS FALL. TWO KIDS IN COLLEGE IS NOT EASY WHEN YOU'RE -- WHEN YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, NOT MAKING A LOT OF MONEY. AND THE STATE NEEDS TO BE DOING MORE TO MAKE SURE THAT EDUCATION REMAINS AFFORDABLE.

Glover: YOU TALK A LOT IN YOUR CAMPAIGN ABOUT CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM. EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM. WE TEND TO FORGET THAT PACS, POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEES, WERE CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM COMING OUT OF WATERGATE. WHAT WOULD ED FALLON DO TO REFORM THE WAY WE FINANCE CAMPAIGNS?

Fallon: WELL, AGAIN, TRACK RECORD IS KEY, MIKE. AND I'VE NEVER TAKEN MONEY FROM PACS OR PAID LOBBYISTS, BECAUSE EVEN THOSE PACS MIGHT HAVE BEEN A REFORM THIRTY YEARS AGO, SPECIAL INTERESTS LEARNED HOW TO USE THEM TO, AGAIN, DISTORT THEIR INFLUENCE IN THE SYSTEM. SO THERE'S ONLY TWO OF US IN THE LEGISLATURE THAT DON'T TAKE ANY PAC MONEY, AND I'VE GONE FURTHER THAN THAT AND REFUSED DONATIONS FROM PAID LOBBYISTS. I BELIEVE THAT'S THE MORAL PRINCIPLE POSITION TO TAKE. I'VE BEEN ABLE TO RAISE ALMOST HALF A MILLION DOLLARS JUST FROM INDIVIDUALS, AND WITH A CAP OF 2,400 PER PERSON. AND WITH THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO RUN A VERY VIABLE CAMPAIGN. BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS CREATE A SYSTEM WHERE ANY POLITICIAN -- ANY CANDIDATE WHAT WANTS TO RUN FEELS THEY CAN ALSO HAVE THAT KIND OF -- THAT KIND OF PLAYING FIELD. AND YOU KNOW, EIGHT STATES HAVE A CLEAN ELECTIONS LAW. TO ME THAT'S VERY ENCOURAGING AND THERE'S NO REASON WHY IOWA CAN'T DO THAT AS WELL WITH THE RIGHT LEADERSHIP.

Glover: WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THOSE WHO SAY THERE'S A FREE SPEECH ISSUE HERE? EXPRESSING YOUR OPINION, EXPRESSING YOUR SPEECH THROUGH POLITICAL CONTRIBUTIONS IS A GUARANTEED RIGHT.

Fallon: WELL, THAT'S BEEN TRIED AND TESTED IN THE COURTS. THERE WAS A COURT DECISION A FEW YEARS BACK CALLED BUCKLEY VERSUS VALEJO, AND THAT DEALT WITH CAMPAIGN FINANCE RESTRICTIONS THAT WERE MANDATORY. AND THE COURTS RULED AGAINST THAT. BUT WHAT'S BEEN DOING -- WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING NOW IS YOU'VE GOT A VOLUNTARY SYSTEM IN PLACE WHERE CANDIDATES CAN CHOOSE TO RUN A PARTIALLY PUBLICLY FINANCED SYSTEM OR THEY CAN CHOOSE TO RUN A CONVENTIONAL CAMPAIGN WITH LOTS OF SPECIAL INTEREST MONEY. MOST CANDIDATES IN MAINE AND ARIZONA ARE CHOOSING TO RUN THE VOLUNTARY CAMPAIGN FINANCE SYSTEM.

Yepsen: WHAT WOULD A SYSTEM OF PUBLIC FINANCING COST TAXPAYERS IN IOWA?

Fallon: IT WOULD COST BETWEEN THREE AND FIVE MILLION A YEAR. AND, DAVID, THAT'S A BARGAIN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE $100-MILLION ANNUAL TAX BREAK FOR INSURANCE COMPANIES OR THE $60-MILLION ANNUAL TAX BREAK FOR HOSPITALS OR THE SALES TAX CUTS FOR AIRPLANES OR LEASED CARS OR YOU NAME IT. THERE'S A LONG LIST OF SPECIAL INTERESTS GETTING TAX CUTS. MY FEELING IS THAT IF YOU HAD A SYSTEM THAT ALLOWED CANDIDATES TO RUN WITHOUT HAVING TO SUCK UP TO SPECIAL INTERESTS, YOU WOULDN'T BE SEEING ALL THIS PAYBACK. YOU WOULDN'T BE SEEING ALL THESE TAX CUTS. AND THREE TO FIVE MILLION WOULD BE A BARGAIN.

Yepsen: DO YOU THINK TAXPAYERS IN IOWA WANT TO PAY FOR POLITICIANS?

Fallon: WELL, EITHER THEY CAN HELP FINANCE A SYSTEM THAT GIVES THEM AN OPTION TO RUN WITHOUT CORPORATE MONEY OR THEY CAN CONTINUE TO SEE A BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR GO OFF TO ALL THESE SPECIAL INTERESTS.

Borg: I'M WONDERING, GOING BACK TO INDUSTRIAL INVESTMENT, WOULD ED FALLON FIND IT NECESSARY AND PRUDENT FOR THE STATE TO INVEST IN ALTERNATIVE ENERGY, ENTREPRENEURIAL ENTERPRISES?

Fallon: SURE. AND I PREFER TO CALL IT RENEWABLE ENERGY. TO ME, THE ALTERNATIVE OUGHT TO BE COAL AND OIL. WE CAN PRODUCE ENOUGH ENERGY IN THIS STATE TO BE ENERGY INDEPENDENT, IN MY OPINION. AND I'VE GOT SOME GOOD RESEARCH HAS BEEN DONE TO SHOW THAT'S TRUE. MY BIGGEST CONCERN -- AND THIS IS WHERE I THINK I MAY DISAGREE WITH SECRETARY OF STATE CULVER -- IS I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RENEWABLE ENERGY INDUSTRY IN IOWA IS OWNED AND OPERATED BY IOWANS. RIGHT NOW, FOR EXAMPLE, IN WIND, WE'RE TURNING OVER WIND POWER TO MIDAMERICAN, FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT. THOSE COMPANIES DON'T CIRCULATE THOSE DOLLARS IN OUR ECONOMY. THEY SHIP THEM OUT OF STATE. BUT, YOU KNOW, A FARMER OWNING A WIND TURBINE OR A SMALL BUSINESS OWNING A SMALL WIND FARM, THAT MONEY CIRCULATES IN OUR ECONOMY.

Yepsen: WHAT'S THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE YOU HAVE WITH CHET CULVER AND MIKE BLOUIN?

Fallon: WELL, PROBABLY WITH MIKE BLOUIN, I'D SAY IT'S THE VALUES FUND AND CAMPAIGN FINANCE. WITH CHET CULVER, I'D SAY IT'S CAMPAIGN FINANCE AND RENEWABLE ENERGY. AGAIN, I'M REAL CONCERNED ABOUT THE IOWA POWER FUND BECOMING JUST ANOTHER SOURCE OF MONEY FOR BIG POWER COMPANIES.

Glover: WE HAVE SIXTY SECONDS TO GO, MR. FALLON.

Fallon: SURE.

Glover: WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE DEMOCRATIC VOTERS TO BE THINKING AS THEY WALK INTO THE VOTING BOOTH ON JUNE 6?

Fallon: YOU KNOW, AS I'VE ALWAYS DONE AS A LEGISLATOR, VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE. VOTE FOR THE PERSON THAT YOU'D FEEL IS MOST ABLE TO REPRESENT YOUR INTERESTS AND IS MOST LIKELY TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT. AGAIN, A TRACK RECORD IS IMPORTANT. I'VE GOT THAT AND I THINK I'VE GOT --

Borg: THANK YOU, MR. FALLON.

Fallon: YOU'RE WELCOME.

Borg: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING WITH US. AS I SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROGRAM, THIS WEEK AND FOR THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, 'IOWA PRESS' IS FOCUSING ON THE CANDIDATES INVOLVED IN THE UPCOMING STATE PARTY PRIMARIES IN TWO HALF-HOUR PRESENTATIONS EACH WEEK. SO COMING NEXT, WE CONTINUE WITH OUR CAMPAIGN FOCUS, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING WITH SIOUX CITY ENGINEER SAL MOHAMED HERE AT THE 'IOWA PRESS' TABLE. MR. MOHAMED IS IN THE GUBERNATORIAL PRIMARY FIELD. HE'LL BE JOINING US NEXT. I HOPE YOU WILL TOO. I'M DEAN BORG. THANKS FOR BEING WITH US THIS PAST HALF HOUR. STAY TUNED.

FUNDING FOR THIS PROGRAM WAS PROVIDED BY 'FRIENDS,' THE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION FOUNDATION; BY THE IOWA BANKERS ASSOCIATION... FOR PERSONAL, BUSINESS, AND COMMERCIAL NEEDS, IOWA BANKS HELP IOWANS REACH THEIR FINANCIAL GOALS; BY THE ASSOCIATED GENERAL CONTRACTORS OF IOWA, THE PUBLIC'S PARTNER IN BUILDING IOWA'S HIGHWAY, BRIDGE, AND MUNIC

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