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Republicans Bill Dix, Brian Kennedy, and Mike Whalen

posted on May 23, 2006

Borg: NATIONAL ATTENTION ON IOWA'S OPEN SEAT IN CONGRESS. WE'LL QUESTION CANDIDATES WHO WANT TO REPRESENT IOWA'S FIRST CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT: REPUBLICANS BILL DIX, BRIAN KENNEDY, AND MIKE WHALEN; AND DEMOCRATS BRUCE BRALEY, RICK DICKINSON, AND BILL GLUBA ON THIS SPECIAL ONE-HOUR EDITION OF 'IOWA PRESS.'

FUNDING FOR THIS PROGRAM WAS PROVIDED BY 'FRIENDS,' THE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION FOUNDATION; BY THE IOWA BANKERS ASSOCIATION... FOR PERSONAL, BUSINESS, AND COMMERCIAL NEEDS, IOWA BANKS HELP IOWANS REACH THEIR FINANCIAL GOALS; BY THE ASSOCIATED GENERAL CONTRACTORS OF IOWA, THE PUBLIC'S PARTNER IN BUILDING IOWA'S HIGHWAY, BRIDGE, AND MUNICIPAL UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE; AND BY CAPITOL RESOURCES, INC., LOCATED IN BROOKLYN IOWA; AND BY NICOLE SCHLINGER AND ERIC LANGE INDIVIDUALLY, FUND-RAISING AND COMMUNICATION SERVICES FOR MAJOR CAMPAIGNS SINCE 1996.

ON STATEWIDE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION, THIS IS THE FRIDAY, MAY 19 EDITION OF 'IOWA PRESS.' HERE IS DEAN BORG.

Borg: INCUMBENT FIRST DISTRICT CONGRESSMAN JIM NUSSLE'S DECISION TO RUN FOR GOVERNOR HAS CREATED AN OPEN SEAT AND HAS REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS SCRAMBLING IN A NATIONALLY HIGH-PROFILE CAMPAIGN. DURING THE NEXT HALF HOUR, WE'LL QUESTION THE CANDIDATES SEEKING THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION, AND WE'LL FOLLOW THAT WITH THE DEMOCRATS WHO HOPE TO CLAIM THAT SEAT IN CONGRESS. STATE REPRESENTATIVE BILL DIX OF SHELL ROCK IS LEAVING THE IOWA STATEHOUSE AFTER TWENTY YEARS IN OFFICE IN ORDER TO RUN FOR CONGRESS. ATTORNEY BRIAN KENNEDY OF BETTENDORF FORMERLY CHAIRED IOWA'S REPUBLICAN PARTY. AND BETTENDORF BUSINESSMAN MIKE WHALEN MADE HIS MARK IN THE HOTEL AND RESTAURANT ENTERPRISE. GENTLEMEN, WELCOME TO 'IOWA PRESS.' >>

Whalen: GOOD TO BE HERE.

Kennedy: GREAT TO BE HERE.

Dix: GREAT TO BE HERE.

Borg: AND ACROSS THE TABLE: 'DES MOINES REGISTER' POLITICAL COLUMNIST DAVID YEPSEN AND 'ASSOCIATED PRESS' SENIOR POLITICAL WRITER MIKE GLOVER.

Glover: MR. WHALEN, LET'S START WITH YOU. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT VOTERS DO IN PRIMARY ELECTIONS IS PICK A CANDIDATE THEY THINK CAN WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION.

Whalen: MM-HMM.

Glover: WHY ARE YOU THE BEST REPUBLICAN TO HOLD THE FIRST DISTRICT FOR REPUBLICANS?

Whalen: WELL, I THINK, NUMBER ONE, YOU CAN'T JUST WIN WITH REPUBLICANS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS AND THE VOTER PROFILE OF THE FIRST DISTRICT, WE HAVE TO HAVE A MESSAGE THAT GOES AFTER BLUE-COLLAR REAGAN DEMOCRATS AND INDEPENDENTS. ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE TRIED TO DO IS TALK ABOUT A NEW CONTRACT FOR AMERICAN JOBS FOR THE 21ST CENTURY. I THINK THAT MESSAGE GOES RIGHT TO THE CORE OF THAT GROUP, NOT ONLY THE REPUBLICAN BASE BUT THAT INDEPENDENT GROUP OF REAGAN DEMOCRATS.

Glover: MR. KENNEDY, THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU. WHY ARE YOU THE MOST ELECTABLE REPUBLICAN?

Kennedy: IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO HOLD THIS SEAT. YOU KNOW, THE TREND LINES AREN'T FAVORING THE REPUBLICANS RIGHT NOW, SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO OFFER BOTH VISION AND PLANS. AND I HAVE A VISION TO RESTORE PRINCIPLE AHEAD OF POLITICS IN WASHINGTON, D.C. YOU KNOW, I GO OUT AND TELL PEOPLE I WANT TO BRING CHANGE TO WASHINGTON. I LIKE HAVING REPUBLICANS THERE BUT WE'RE NOT GETTING THE JOB DONE ON A LOT OF ISSUES. BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE SPECIFIC PLANS IF WE EXPECT VOTERS TO COME TO OUR BANNER THIS YEAR. SO I'VE LAID OUT PLANS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, A PLAN FOR AN AFFORDABLE TANK OF GASOLINE, A PLAN TO CLEAN UP CONGRESS. MY OPPONENTS ARE RUNNING ON THEIR RECORD. THEIR RUNNING ON A BAG OF PROMISE. I'M GOING TO BE THE MOST SPECIFIC CANDIDATE, AND THAT'S WHAT THE VOTERS ARE LOOKING FOR.

Glover: MR. DIX, THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU. WHY ARE YOU THE MOST ELECTABLE REPUBLICAN?

Dix: FIRST OF ALL, I'M THE ONLY CANDIDATE WHO HAS ACTUALLY PUT MY NAME ON THE BALLOT AND WON REELECTION TO THE IOWA HOUSE, SERVING TEN YEARS HERE, FIVE TERMS. I'M ALSO THE ONLY CANDIDATE WHO HAS A PROVEN TRACK RECORD OF RESULTS, STANDING UP TO PAST TAX CUTS, WHICH I BELIEVE WE NEED TO DO AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. WE NEED RESPONSIBLE SPENDING. AND AS CHAIR OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE, I'VE PUT THOSE KIND OF BUDGETS FORWARD, MAKING THOSE TOUGH CHOICES, AND ALSO STANDING UP FOR A CULTURE OF LIFE AND PROMOTING FAMILY VALUES HERE IN OUR STATE.

Yepsen: MR. KENNEDY, HELP THE REPUBLIC PRIMARY VOTER OUT A LITTLE BIT HERE. WHAT'S THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE THAT YOU HAVE WITH YOUR TWO OPPONENTS?

Kennedy: WELL, IT'S THE FACT THAT I'VE BEEN OUT PUTTING OUT PLANS. I'M SAYING, LOOK, I'VE GOT A TWENTY-YEAR TRACK RECORD OF WORKING AS A PARTY LEADER AT THE GRASS ROOTS IN THE NATIONAL LEVEL THAT'S FURTHERING THE CONSERVATIVE CAUSE. BUT I DON'T WANT YOU TO VOTE FOR ME BECAUSE OF MY RECORD. IT'S BECAUSE WHAT I'M PROPOSING TO DO. I'M SAYING WE HAVE TO PUT FORWARD A SPECIFIC PLAN OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, FOR INSTANCE. SO I'VE CALLED FOR 10,000 ADDITIONAL BORDER PATROL AGENTS, THAT WHEN YOU END THE CATCH-AND-RELEASE SYSTEM AND MOVE TO EXPEDITED DEPORTATIONS. NO MORE AMNESTY AND THEN WE GET TOUGH WITH EMPLOYERS. THAT'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US. BILL VOTED FOR TUITION -- IN-STATE TUITION FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, AND MIKE WON'T GET TOUGH ON THE EMPLOYERS.

Yepsen: MR. DIX, THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU. WHAT'S THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE THAT YOU HAVE WITH YOUR TWO FRIENDS HERE?

Dix: WELL, I THINK ONE OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MYSELF AND MY OPPONENTS IS I'VE TAKEN TAX INCREASES OFF THE TABLE. I SIMPLY WILL NOT NEGOTIATE TO INCREASE TAXES. I THINK WE NEED TO REDUCE TAXES. I'VE ALSO WORKED HARD AND I'M THE ONLY CANDIDATE WHO'S ACTUALLY DONE SOMETHING ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. WE ACKNOWLEDGED AT THE TIME THAT WE INTRODUCED LEGISLATION PUTTING PENALTIES IN PLACE HERE FOR EMPLOYERS WHO KNOWINGLY HIRE ILLEGAL ALIENS, THAT WE REGRETTED A VOTE THAT WE TOOK EARLIER IN 2004. AND WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE WE PUT POLICIES IN PLACE THAT RESTRICT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

Yepsen: MR. WHALEN, THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE?

Whalen: WELL, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE FOUNDING MOTHERS AND FATHERS HAD IN MIND WHEN THEY FIRST FOUNDED THIS COUNTRY WAS THAT YOU'D HAVE CITIZEN LEGISLATORS, PEOPLE THAT WOULD COME OUT OF EVERYDAY LIFE AND THEN GO SERVE FOR A WHILE AND COME BACK. AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE BIG DIFFERENCE. I'M NOT RUNNING FOR A JOB; I'M RUNNING TO DO A JOB. AND I THINK THAT PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY RIGHT NOW ARE A LITTLE DISSATISFIED WITH THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A BUDGET THAT'S OUT OF CONTROL. WE HAVE A HEALTH CARE SYSTEM THAT REALLY HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED AT ALL AND ENTITLEMENTS THAT ARE THREATENING TO BANKRUPT OUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS, AN IMMIGRATION POLICY THAT'S BASED ON CHEST POUNDING RATHER THAN UNDERSTANDING HOW THE EMPLOYMENT SYSTEM WORKS. THAT'S WHY I'VE CALLED FOR A TAMPER PROOF SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS IMMEDIATE VERIFICATION OF LEGAL STATUS RIGHT THERE WHEN PEOPLE GET HIRED, THE ONLY WAY TO FIX THE PROBLEM. THAT REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE IS WHAT WASHINGTON NEEDS.

Borg: MR. DIX, YOU DIFFERENTIATED YOURSELF A MOMENT AGO BY SAYING YOU'VE BEEN ELECTED FIVE TIMES, TEN YEARS NOW IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AT THE STATEHOUSE. I HAD DOUBLED THAT EARLIER BUT YOU -- TEN YEARS. BUT IN THOSE FIVE ELECTION TERMS IN WHICH YOU SAY YOU WERE REELECTED, YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO RUN ON THE ADMINISTRATION'S RECORD. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO COUNTER THE LOW APPROVAL RATINGS NOW FOR THE REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION? GIVEN THE FACT THAT MR. WHALEN SAYS WE CAN'T WIN WITH JUST REPUBLICANS AND MR. KENNEDY SAYING VERY DIFFICULT TO HOLD THIS SEAT, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO OFFSET THAT?

Dix: WELL, DEAN, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT VOTERS GO INTO THE VOTING BOOTH MAKING THE DECISION TO VOTE AGAINST A CANDIDATE BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE SOMEONE ELSE WHO'S CURRENTLY IN OFFICE. IOWANS HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF WANTING TO GET TO KNOW THEIR CANDIDATE. AND IT'S UP TO THE CANDIDATE -- THAT PERSON WHO'S GOING TO WORK THE HARDEST TO GET OUT THERE AND HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THEY CAN TRUST WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO STAND FOR.

Yepsen: EXCUSE ME, MR. DIX. THERE IS A HISTORY, THOUGH, WITH A PRESIDENT BEING THIS UPPOPULAR, HIS PARTY TAKING A BIG HIT IN THE POLLS. THE QUESTION IS WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO OVERCOME THE BUSH DRAG ON THE REPUBLICAN TICKET.

Dix: I'M GOING TO STAND FIRM ON MY PRINCIPLES AND WHY I'M RUNNING FOR CONGRESS, WHICH IS TO LOWER OUR TAXES, GET SPENDING UNDER CONTROL, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE STAND UP FOR WHAT WE NEED TO DO, OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, AND THAT IS DEFEND OUR PEOPLE FROM OUR ENEMIES. THAT'S BOTH ABROAD AND ALSO AT HOME BY DEFENDING OUR BORDERS.

Borg: MR. KENNEDY, HOW BIG OF A DRAG?

Kennedy: I THINK WE MADE IT ABSOLUTELY CLEAR THIS YEAR THAT WE'RE NOT GOING OUT THERE TO TELL THEM THEY'RE DOING A GOOD JOB, WHETHER IT BE THE PRESIDENT, THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS, OR THE DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS. WE HAVE TO STAND FOR CHANGE, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M OFFERING IN MY CAMPAIGN. YOU SEE, I'M RUNNING ON MY CONVICTIONS. I'M RUNNING ON MY CONSERVATIVE CONVICTIONS AND MY INDEPENDENCE. AT THE END OF THE DAY, I'M GOING FOR MY PLATFORM. IT SAYS NO TO AMNESTY FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. IT SAYS WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT AND GET THE OIL THAT WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTRY AND STOP RELYING UPON FOREIGN OIL. NOW, WHEN YOU'RE IN CONGRESS, THOSE TOUGH VOTES COME, AND THE PRESIDENT PICKS UP THE PHONE AND SAYS, LOOK, I REALLY NEED YOUR VOTE FOR AMNESTY, I REALLY NEED YOUR VOTE FOR THIS VERY EXPENSIVE PRESCRIPTION DRUG BENEFIT. I'M THE CANDIDATE WHO'S GOING TO SAY NO. I'M STANDING BY MY CONVICTIONS, AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH OF THAT IN WASHINGTON, D.C. WE'RE ALSO PUTTING POLITICS OVER PRINCIPLE.

Borg: MR. WHALEN, YOU SAID YOU CAN'T WIN WITH JUST REPUBLICANS. THAT MEANS YOU'VE GOT TO CONVINCE SOME DEMOCRATS AND INDEPENDENTS. AND HOW DO YOU DO THAT WHEN YOU'RE SAYING WE DON'T LIKE THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION?

Whalen: WELL, I THINK PRESIDENT BUSH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE POLLS, IS PERSONALLY POPULAR IN A LOT OF WAYS. THEY LIKE HIM. BUT I THINK A LOT OF THE FOLKS OUT THERE ARE UPSET ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE HAD A WASHINGTON THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE OUT-OF-CONTROL SPENDING, DOESN'T ADDRESS HEALTH CARE, DOESN'T ADDRESS IMMIGRATION, DOESN'T SEEM TO WANT TO GET DOWN AND REALLY ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS. I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS CONVEY A MESSAGE THAT SAYS THAT'S WHY I'M GOING OUT, THAT'S WHY I WANT TO GO TO WASHINGTON, TO DO A JOB.

Glover: REPRESENTATIVE DIX, LET'S GO THROUGH SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU WOULD DEAL WITH IF YOU WERE IN CONGRESS. ONE OF THEM IS IMMIGRATION. CONGRESS IS CURRENTLY DEALING WITH IMMIGRATION AS AN ISSUE. THE SENATE HAS PASSED A BILL THAT WOULD BUILD A FENCE ALONG THE SOUTHERN BORDER OF THE COUNTRY BUT WOULD ALSO PUT IN PLACE A PROGRAM THAT WOULD ALLOW ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS A PATH TO CITIZENSHIP. THE HOUSE HAS PASSED A BILL SIMPLY TRYING TO ROUND UP ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. WHICH MEASURE DO YOU SUPPORT?

Dix: I FIND THAT MY VIEWS ARE MUCH MORE SIMILAR WITH WHAT THE HOUSE IS DOING. WE DO NEED TO BUILD A FENCE. WE NEED TO PUT ADDITIONAL BORDER PATROL IN PLACE TO SECURE OUR BORDER. AND WE ARE A NATION OF LAWS --

Glover: SO THERE SHOULD BE NO PASS FOR ILLEGALS TO BECOME CITIZENS.

Dix: WE CANNOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME HERE ILLEGALLY WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES.

Glover: MR. KENNEDY, THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU.

Kennedy: AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, WE HAVE TO PUT OUR PRINCIPLES AHEAD OF OUR POLITICS. AND THE PRINCIPLE FIRST IS IT'S THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO DEFEND OUR BORDERS. TEN THOUSAND ADDITIONAL BORDER PATROL AGENTS DEPLOYED IMMEDIATELY. GIVE THEM THE EQUIPMENT, THE COMMUNICATION, THE SURVEILLANCE TO DO THE JOB AND DO IT RIGHT. BUT SECONDLY, THE RULE OF LAW IS A PRINCIPLE. AND WE HAVE TO ENFORCE THE RULE OF LAW, WHICH IS TWO-FOLD. ONE, NO AMNESTY FOR THOSE WHO CAME HERE THE WRONG WAY. THEY NEED TO RETURN TO THEIR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN AND COME IN THE RIGHT PATH. AND WE HAVE TO GET TOUGH WITH THE EMPLOYERS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF EMPLOYERS IN THIS COUNTRY WHO ARE GAMING THE SYSTEM, IMPORTING CHEAP LABOR TO COMPETE WITH US RIGHT HERE AT HOME.

Glover: MR. WHALEN, THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU. SHOULD THERE BE A PATH TO CITIZENSHIP FOR ILLEGALS AND SHOULD WE BUILD A BARRIER ALONG THE SOUTHERN BORDER?

Whalen: WELL, I THINK BUILDING A BORDER -- A STRONGER BORDER IS VERY IMPORTANT. BUT AS THE HEAD OF THE BORDER AGENTS, T.J. BONNER, SAID, IF WE JUST STRENGTHEN THE BORDER, YOU CAN'T GIVE US ENOUGH WALLS OR BORDER AGENTS TO STOP. UNLESS WE STOP THE JOB FLOW, WE WON'T STOP THE PEOPLE FLOW, AND THAT'S WHY I'VE CALLED FOR A TAMPER PROOF SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS IMMEDIATE VERIFICATION OF LEGAL STATUS. SEND THAT MESSAGE OUT AROUND THE WORLD THAT ONCE YOU CROSS THAT LINE, YOU DON'T HAVE A PATH TO A JOB.

Glover: HOW DOES THIS TAMPER PROOF SYSTEM WORK?

Whalen: WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS. HR-98 IS A BILL THAT HAS BEEN SPONSORED BY DAVE DREIER OF CALIFORNIA AND IS SPONSORED BY -- CO-SPONSORED BY PEOPLE LIKE TOM TANCREDO OF COLORADO, THAT SAYS WE NEED TO HAVE A SYSTEM THAT WOULD ALLOW, JUST LIKE YOUR VISA CARD IS SWIPED IN ANY STORE. YOU CAN DETERMINE IMMEDIATELY WHETHER IT'S VALID OR NOT. YOU CAN'T DO THAT TODAY UNDER THE CURRENT SYSTEM.

Yepsen: MR. DIX, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH 12 MILLION ILLEGALS WHO ARE ALREADY HERE?

Dix: WELL, YOU SIMPLY DO NOT ACCEPT -- WHAT WE'VE DONE IS BASICALLY TURN OUR HEADS AND LOOK THE OTHER WAY.

Yepsen: WHAT DO YOU DO NOW? DO YOU SHIP THEM BACK?

Dix: YOU HAVE TO PUT PENALTIES IN PLACE FOR EMPLOYERS WHO ARE HIRING THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE ILLEGALLY. AND THOSE WHO CANNOT FIND JOBS, I'M GOING TO SUSPECT A LOT OF THEM ARE GOING TO GO BACK.

Yepsen: MR. KENNEDY, THE SAME QUESTION. WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE ONES THAT ARE HERE?

Kennedy: WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WHAT WE DO IS DEFEND THE BORDER. SECOND, TURN OFF THE JOBS BY PUNISHING THE EMPLOYERS. THREE STRIKES AND YOU'RE OUT.

Yepsen: THAT STILL LEAVES YOU WITH 12 MILLION PEOPLE --

Kennedy: THAT'S RIGHT. SO THE JOBS ARE GONE. THE BORDER IS SECURE. NOW, IF YOU WANT TO COME TO THIS COUNTRY, YOU GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN AND GET IN LINE. GET BEHIND THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN TRYING TO COME THE RIGHT WAY. AND THEN WHEN YOU COME IN, WE WANT TO KNOW WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR YOUR HEALTH CARE, WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR YOUR KIDS' EDUCATION. AND WE'VE GOT TO END THE INCENTIVES -- THE INCENTIVES WE CREATE, LIKE ALLOWING PEOPLE TO HAVE CHILDREN IN THIS COUNTRY, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WHO GET CITIZENSHIP, OR GIVING THEM IN-STATE TUITION. AND, BILL, WHEN YOU VOTED FOR THAT, YOU CREATED ONE OF THOSE INCENTIVES THAT JUST MADE THIS PROBLEM WORSE.

Yepsen: DO YOU WANT TO RESPOND?

Glover: MR. DIX

Dix: YEAH. I'VE SAID NUMEROUS TIMES -- AND WHEN I INTRODUCED LEGISLATION PUTTING PENALTIES IN PLACE THIS YEAR, I SAID AT THAT TIME THAT WHEN I TOOK THE VOTE BACK IN 2004, I REGRET THAT. AND IF I HAD THE CHANCE TO TAKE THAT VOTE AGAIN, I WOULD VOTE AGAINST IT.

Glover: MR. WHALEN, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE 12 MILLION PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE?

Whalen: WELL, THE IDEA THAT WE'RE GOING TO IMMEDIATELY DEPORT THEM, AS GEORGE WILL SAID, THAT WOULD TAKE 200,000 BUSES STRETCHING FROM SAN DIEGO TO ANCHORAGE, ALASKA, AND WE'D FORCE THOSE PEOPLE MORE UNDERGROUND. I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY IS THIS: YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE AN AMNESTY; YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE AN EXPEDITED PATH TO CITIZENSHIP. BUT STEP FORWARD WITHIN THAT 60 OR 90 DAYS, WE'LL TALK ABOUT ALLOWING YOU TO HAVE A SHORT-TERM LEGAL STATUS, SAY A YEAR, AND IT DOESN'T PROVIDE ANY KIND OF RIGHTS TO CITIZENSHIP OVER ANYBODY STANDING OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTRY. AND THEN WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT THOSE FOLKS THAT AREN'T GAINFULLY EMPLOYED AND TALK ABOUT ASKING THEM TO LEAVE THIS COUNTRY IN A VERY FORCEFUL WAY.

Yepsen: MR. WHALEN, WE'VE GOT WAY TOO MANY QUESTIONS AND NOT ENOUGH TIME SO I NEED TO MOVE ON.

Whalen: RIGHT.

Yepsen: JOBS. IOWA TOOK A BIG HIT WITH THE CLOSING OF THE MAYTAG PLANT.

Whalen: IT SURE DID.

Yepsen: WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO CREATE JOBS IN IOWA?

Whalen: WELL, THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE CAN DO TO CREATE JOBS IN IOWA IS TO HAVE A GOVERNMENT, BOTH AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL AND THE STATE LEVEL, THAT HAS LOW TAXES, LESS REGULATION AND GETS OUT OF THE WAY OF BUSINESS AND SAYS WE'RE NOT GOING TO STOP YOU FROM BUILDING HERE. AS FAR AS BEING IN CONGRESS, WHAT I INTEND TO DO IS BE A PUBLIC ENTREPRENEUR. I'VE BEEN A PRIVATE ENTREPRENEUR FOR ALMOST THIRTY YEARS. INSTEAD OF JUST PASSING A BILL, COMING BACK AND ASSUMING THAT IT MIGHT HAVE AN IMPACT -- FOR EXAMPLE, RENEWABLE FUELS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE. I'D LIKE TO COME BACK AND WORK WITH PEOPLE IN THE FIRST DISTRICT, NOT ONLY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AN E85 ETHANOL INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT WORKING WITH PRIVATE PEOPLE TO BUILD BIODIESEL AND ETHANOL PLANTS. THAT'S A DIFFERENT ATTITUDE TOWARD BEING IN CONGRESS.

Yepsen: MR. KENNEDY, JOBS?

Kennedy: WELL, CONGRESSMEN CAN BE A LEADER IN THIS REGARD. YOU KNOW, WE CAN PUT TOGETHER REGIONAL COALITIONS THROUGHOUT THE UPPER MISSISSIPPI RIVER VALLEY WORKING WITH OUR COLLEAGUES TO BRING IN THE NEW INDUSTRY, THE HIGH-TECH JOBS, THE ADVANCED MANUFACTURING THAT CREATE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE KIDS GRADUATING FROM OUR SCHOOLS TO STAY HERE, KNOW THE SAME PROSPERITY WE'VE KNOWN. BUT FRANKLY, DES MOINES HASN'T BEEN MUCH HELP ON THIS. SO BILL AND HIS COLLEAGUES IN THE LEGISLATURE, WHEN THEY'RE PASSING THE IOWA VALUES FUND, $50 MILLION PORK BARREL GIVEAWAY FOR A FEW IOWA COMPANIES TO PRODUCE 1,200 JOBS WHEN THEY DON'T FUNDAMENTALLY REFORM TAXES MAKES IOWA LESS COMPETITIVE. SO WE NEED NEW LEADERSHIP IN DES MOINES. BUT AS A CONGRESSMAN, I CAN BE WORKING WITH THAT LEADERSHIP IN DES MOINES TO LEVERAGE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AS PART OF THAT STRATEGY.

Yepsen: MR. DIX, JOBS?

Dix: BOTH OF MY OPPONENTS TALK ABOUT THE ROLE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PLAYS IN NEW JOBS. AND FRANKLY -- AND, DAVID, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. WE NEED LESS OF THIS NOTION THAT GOVERNMENT CAN SOMEHOW BE A PARTNER WITH EMPLOYERS IN CREATING JOBS. WE NEED TO GET GOVERNMENT OUT OF THE WAY. THAT'S WHY I VOTED AGAINST THE VALUES FUND EVERY CHANCE I HAD. THAT'S WHY I OPPOSED IT AND EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT. SO THAT SAID, WE NEED TO FOCUS ON REDUCING TAXES, BURDENSOME REGULATIONS, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE A NATION THAT DOESN'T FEAR OUR ENEMIES. THAT'S WHERE GROWTH COMES FROM.

Kennedy: LATER TODAY I'LL POST ON MY WEB SITE ALL EIGHT VOTES BILL MADE FOR THE VALUES FUND.

Yepsen: MR. KENNEDY, THERE'S A LARGER QUESTION. TWICE NOW YOU'VE VIOLATED THE ELEVENTH COMMANDMENT BY ATTACKING REPRESENTATIVE DIX. HAVE YOU GOT A POLL THAT SHOWS BILL DIX IS THE FRONT-RUNNER IN THIS RACE?

Kennedy: NO.

Yepsen: WELL, THEN, WHY ARE YOU ATTACKING HIM?

Kennedy: BECAUSE IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US TO LAY OUT CLEAR DIFFERENCES FOR THE PRIMARY VOTERS, AND THAT'S WHAT ELECTIONS ARE ALL ABOUT, DAVID. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT -- BILL SAID HE'S RUNNING ON HIS RECORD. OKAY, I'M RUNNING ON MY PLANS. IF YOU WANT TO ATTACK MY PLANS, TERRIFIC. BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT HIS RECORD. IT'S NOT THE WAY HE REPRESENTS IT. HE HASN'T BEEN THE FISCAL CONSERVATIVE IN THE STATEHOUSE HE MAINTAINS. HE HASN'T BEEN TOUGH ON IMMIGRATION. IN FACT, HIS IMMIGRATION BILL THIS YEAR WAS PRETTY MUCH LAUGHED OUT OF THE PLACE BECAUSE HE ROLLED OVER FOR THE EMPLOYERS AND FOR THE BANKERS.

Glover: MR. DIX, YOUR RESPONSE?

Dix: YEAH. IT WAS A CHALLENGE TO GET THE LEGISLATION ON BORDER SECURITY PAST THE HOUSE WITH A 69 TO 25 VOTE, AND A FAIRLY CONTENTIOUS DEBATE UNFORTUNATELY DIED IN THE SENATE. AS FAR AS MY CONSERVATIVE CREDENTIALS ON SPENDING, I'LL PUT MY VOTING RECORD UP AGAINST ANYONE IN THE IOWA HOUSE. IN FACT, I HAVE THE BEST VOTING RECORD ON SPENDING THAN ANYONE THERE. I'VE WORKED WITH DAVID VAUDT. EVERYONE KNOWS WE'D LIKE TO HAVE ACCOMPLISHED MORE WITH RESPECT TO RESPONSIBLE SPENDING. LET'S NOT FORGET THAT THIS YEAR WE ALSO HAVE THE CASH RESERVE --

Borg: MR. WHALEN, I'M GOING TO LET YOU WEIGH IN ON THIS, THE VOTING RECORD HERE.

Whalen: WELL, I THINK THAT BILL HAS SAID THAT HE WANTS TO RUN ON HIS RECORD, AND I THINK YOU HAVE TO STAND BY YOUR ENTIRE RECORD, INCLUDING THE VOTE ON GRANTING IN-STATE TUITION FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. BUT I THINK THE REAL ISSUE IS THIS: WHO HAS THE ABILITY TO REPRESENT THE FIRST DISTRICT IN IOWA; WHO HAS THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO MOVE IOWA FORWARD, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY FORWARD LOOKING. ELECTIONS ARE ABOUT THE FUTURE, NOT ABOUT THE PAST. AND THAT'S WHY I'VE TRIED TO TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE.

Glover: MR. DIX, ONE OF THE DOMINANT ISSUES IN AMERICAN POLITICS TODAY IS IRAQ. THERE'S A LOT OF ARGUMENTS ABOUT WHY WE WENT TO IRAQ, HOW WE GOT TO IRAQ, HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE. WE ARE WHERE WE ARE. WHY DO WE GO FROM HERE?

Dix: WELL, MICHAEL, I BELIEVE -- AND I AM STANDING FIRMLY WITH OUR PRESIDENT. IN FACT, I'M THE ONLY CANDIDATE WHO IS CLEARLY STANDING WITH THE PRESIDENT'S DECISION TO TAKE THE WAR TO THE TERRORISTS. AND WE KNOW FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS, WE HAVEN'T HAD AMERICAN BLOOD SPILLED HERE ON AMERICAN SOIL.

Glover: SO YOU HAVE NO QUIBBLE WITH WHAT BUSH HAS DONE IN IRAQ OR AFGHANISTAN?

Dix: I BELIEVE WE'RE MAKING GREAT CONGRESS PROGRESS OVER THERE. WE NEED TO SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, SUPPORT THE IRAQI PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING TO PUT A DEMOCRACY IN PLACE. AND THAT'S WHAT SECURES US LONG TERM HERE IN AMERICA.

Glover: MR. KENNEDY, THE SAME QUESTION.

Kennedy: TO THE CREDIT OF THE TROOPS, WE'VE WON THE WAR. WE WON THE FIRST WAR, WHICH WAS TO GO IN AND TAKE OUT HUSSEIN. WE WON THE SECOND WAR; WE'VE LARGE LARGELY DEFEATED THE FOREIGN INSURGENTS. NOW WE'VE MET OUR MORAL RESPONSIBILITY, TO ALLOW THE IRAQIS TO HAVE THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT. THEY NEED TO TAKE THE LEAD NOW. AND SO 2006 IS A YEAR OF TRANSITION. THAT'S THE ADMINISTRATION'S POSITION. THAT'S THE CONGRESS'S POSITION. IT'S TIME FOR IRAQ TO STEP UP SO AMERICA CAN STEP DOWN. WE CAN REDEPLOY OUR FORCES IN THE REGION AND BE READY TO DEAL WITH FUTURE NATIONAL SECURITY THREATS.

Glover: MR. WHALEN, ANY CRITICISM OF ANYTHING BUSH HAS DONE IN IRAQ OR AFGHANISTAN?

Whalen: WELL, YOU CAN MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACK A LOT OF THIS BUT --

Glover: WELL, GO AHEAD. IT'S NOT MONDAY, BUT TRY IT.

Whalen: WELL, NO, I'M NOT GONNA. I THINK WHAT HE UNDERSTOOD WAS THAT WE WERE NOT IN A SHORT-TERM FIGHT BUT WE WERE IN A GLOBAL FIGHT WITH TERRORISM. I THINK THAT LARGELY HIS APPROACH HAS BEEN RIGHT. I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT I BACK THE PRESIDENT IN DECIDING WHEN TO REMOVE TROOPS EARLIER ON. I SAID CERTAINLY IT'S MY HOPE THAT WE CAN START TO DRAW DOWN TROOPS, BUT I'M AGAINST ANY KIND OF SPECIFIC TIME TABLE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BIG MISTAKE.

Yepsen: MR. KENNEDY, ANOTHER ISSUE, THE NEXT CONGRESS WILL WRITE A FARM BILL. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE IN IT?

Kennedy: WELL, WE HAVE TO SEE HOW THE DOHA ROUND CONCLUDES BEFORE WE CAN DETERMINE THAT. I MEAN OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO BE ABLE TO REDUCE SUBSIDIES BECAUSE OF THE OPEN MARKETS, BUT WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE'VE REACHED A TRADE AGREEMENT WITH OUR PARTNERS AS TO WHAT DEGREE WE CAN DO THAT. I'D ALSO LIKE TO FIND INCENTIVES NOW ALLOWING YOUNGER FARMERS TO TAKE OVER THE LAND. WE'VE REALLY SEEN THE AGING OF THE POPULATION OUT THERE, DIFFICULTY MAKING TRANSFERS TO FUTURE GENERATIONS. THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE FUTURE OF IOWA.

Yepsen: MR. WHALEN, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE IN A FARM BILL?

Whalen: WELL, I THINK BRIAN IS RIGHT. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WAY THE INTERNATIONAL THING SHAKES OUT. BUT I THINK A COUPLE OF THINGS. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SUBSIDY LEVELS, I THINK IT'S GENERALLY AGREED, IN MY LIFETIME COMMODITY PRICES IN SOME CASES HAVE ACTUALLY DECLINED WHILE LAND PRICES HAVE GONE UP. AND I THINK WE NEED TO REVISIT HOW THE CURRENT FARM PROGRAMS DO IMPACT YOUNGER FARMERS' ABILITY TO GET INTO FARMING. IT'S THE ONLY BUSINESS I KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T GET INTO AT A YOUNG AGE.

Yepsen: MR. DIX, THE FARM BILL.

Dix: I'M THE ONLY CANDIDATE RUNNING FOR CONGRESS WHO ACTUALLY IS A FARMER. AND WE ALSO ARE ENGAGED IN MANY ALTERNATIVES IN THAT ENTERPRISE, ALTERNATIVE CROPS. AS WE LOOK TO THE FUTURE -- IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING -- CERTAINLY WE NEED TO OPEN NEW MARKETS. THAT'S TRUE FOR EVERY INDUSTRY. BUT WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT'S GOOD FOR IOWA'S ENVIRONMENT. WE NEED TO GRAFT OUR POLICIES IN THE FUTURE SO THAT THEY ENCOURAGE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, THE INVESTMENTS THAT FARMERS WANT TO MAKE. IT'S IN OUR BEST INTEREST AS A WHOLE AS A STATE.

Glover: MR. WHALEN, GAS PRICES ARE NEAR $3 A GALLON.

Whalen: RIGHT.

Glover: THAT IMPACTS EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS FROM COMMUTERS TRYING TO DRIVE TO WORK --

Whalen: AND HOW MANY PORK CHOPS YOU CAN SELL TOO.

Glover: EXACTLY.

Whalen: RIGHT.

Glover: WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT IT IN CONGRESS?

Whalen: WELL, WE DON'T HAVE AN ENERGY PROBLEM. WE HAVE A GOVERNMENT PROBLEM. GOVERNMENT HAS STOPPED AMERICAN OIL AND GAS PRODUCERS FROM DRILLING IN LARGE PARTS OF THIS COUNTRY. WE HAVE GOVERNMENTAL POLICIES THAT HAVE STOPPED US FROM BUILDING CLEAN NUCLEAR ENERGY. WE HAVE GOVERNMENTAL POLICIES THAT HAVE STOPPED US FROM ADOPTING CLEAN COAL TECHNOLOGY. AND WE'VE HAD A GOVERNMENT THAT HASN'T DONE ENOUGH, IN MY OPINION, TO REALLY BOOST RENEWABLE FUELS. SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN A LOT OF WAYS IS RECOGNIZE THAT OUR ENERGY PROBLEM IS A GOVERNMENT PROBLEM.

Glover: MR. KENNEDY?

Kennedy: IF THEY SAY IT'S A GOVERNMENT PROBLEM, THEN THEY OUGHT TO OFFER A SOLUTION. AND HERE'S THE SOLUTION. FIRST, GO GET THE OIL WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTRY. EIGHT-FIVE PERCENT OF THE COAST LINE IS OFF LIMITS. WE DON'T GO INTO ALASKA. WE NEED FIVE NEW REFINERIES PUT ONTO A FAST TRACK. WE HAVEN'T BUILT A NEW REFINERY IN THIRTY YEARS. WE NEED TO INCREASE THE RENEWABLE FUEL STANDARDS BY ANOTHER 25 PERCENT: MORE IOWA ETHANOL, MORE IOWA BIODIESEL, MORE E85. AND WE HAVE TO DOUBLE THE FEDERAL INVESTMENT IN THE HYDROGEN FUEL CELL INITIATIVE. WE ARE WITHIN A DECADE OF HAVING PURELY HYDROGEN CARS OUT THERE ON THE LOT. IF YOU DO THAT, YOU CHANGE EVERYTHING. AND FINALLY, THIS COUNTRY NEEDS TO EMBRACE NUCLEAR POWER. WE HAVEN'T BUILT A NEW NUCLEAR POWER PLANT SINCE THREE MILE ISLAND, AND WE'RE HAVING DISASTROUS CONSEQUENCES AS A RESULT.

Glover: MR. DIX, THE SAME QUESTION.

Dix: I'VE WATCHED WITH GREAT FRUSTRATION OVER THE LAST DECADE WHILE DEMOCRATS BLOCKED THE ADMINISTRATION EFFORTS TO PUT AN ENERGY POLICY IN PLACE THAT WOULD DEVELOP THESE NEW SOURCES. AND I'M SUPPORTIVE OF DRILLING IN NEW PLACES, NEW EXPLORATION. BUT I DON'T WANT TO LOSE SIGHT OF WHAT I BELIEVE IS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY OF A MEMBER OF CONGRESS FROM IOWA, AND THAT IS MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON POLICIES THAT ENCOURAGE INVESTMENT AND UTILIZATION OF THE NEW ENERGY SOURCES HERE. ETHANOL, BIODIESEL, RENEWABLE, THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE FOCUS HERE IN IOWA.

Yepsen: MR. DIX, IS IOWA MAKING A BAD LONG-TERM BET ON ETHANOL WHEN -- FROM CORN WHEN WE'RE STARTING TO SEE NOW OTHER FORMS, SWITCHGRASS, OTHER CELLULOUS ETHANOL BEING MADE? ARE WE MAKING A BAD BET HERE?

Dix: I DON'T THINK WE'RE NECESSARILY INCONSISTENT WITH THAT. THESE TECHNOLOGIES CAN BE ADAPTED AND CHANGED, AND IF THERE'S NEW OPPORTUNITIES WITH OTHER CROPS TO PRODUCE THOSE FUELS OF THE FUTURE, OUR ENTREPRENEURS WILL ADAPT AND CHANGE.

Borg: MR. WHALEN, WOULD YOU BE IN FAVOR OF RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE?

Whalen: NO, I DON'T THINK THE MINIMUM WAGE REALLY HAS THE KIND OF POSITIVE IMPACT THAT PEOPLE CLAIM IT TO BE. I THINK RIGHT NOW IN THIS COUNTRY, YOU'VE SEEN THE MARKETS RAISE WAGES ACROSS THE BOARD. AND, IN FACT, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TO SET POLICIES THAT ALLOW PEOPLE TO CREATE BETTER JOBS RATHER THAN WORRYING ABOUT HOW WE CAN ARTIFICIALLY MANDATE A WAGE.

Borg: MR. KENNEDY, MINIMUM WAGE?

Kennedy: I'M MORE INTERESTED IN RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE THAN CREATING A NEW TAX CODE THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO GROW WEALTH. SO I FAVOR A BRAND-NEW TAX CODE, CALLED THE FAIR TAX. SCRAP THE INCOME TAX, THE CORPORATE INCOME TAX, THE CAPITAL GAINS TAX, THE DEATH TAXES, AND THE PAYROLL TAXES, AND EXCHANGE IT FOR A POINT-OF-PURCHASE SALES TAX. THAT WILL CHANGE EVERYTHING. IF WE DON'T TAX INCOME, PEOPLE WILL PRODUCE INCOME. IF WE DON'T TAX SAVINGS, WE'LL HAVE SAVINGS AND INVESTMENT. THAT WILL MAKE MORE DIFFERENCE THAN A MINIMUM WAGE.

Borg: MR. DIX?

Dix: I DON'T BELIEVE THAT GOVERNMENT IS IN A POSITION TO DICTATE, AND WE SHOULDN'T BE FOCUSED ON POLICIES THAT ARTIFICIALLY ADJUST WAGES. WE NEED TO BE ADJUSTING OUR POLICIES, OR WORKING ON POLICIES OF GROWTH: LOWERING TAXES, LESS REGULATION, AND MORE FREEDOM.

Glover: MR. WHALEN, WE JUST HAVE A MINUTE OR SO LEFT. VOTERS IN JUST ABOUT TWO WEEKS ARE GOING TO BE WALKING INTO THE POLLING PLACES TO PICK A CANDIDATE FOR THE FIRST DISTRICT. WHAT DO YOU WANT THAT VOTER TO THINK ABOUT WHEN THEY WALK INTO A POLLING PLACE?

Whalen: WELL, AS FAR AS MY CANDIDACY, I HOPE THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT HERE'S A FELLA THAT'S, ALMOST FOR THIRTY YEARS, BEEN HERE IN IOWA, WHO KNOWS HOW TO CREATE JOBS, KNOWS HOW IT WORKS, HAS BEEN A LEADER IN A COMMUNITY AND LEADER ON NATIONAL POLICIES, AND HERE'S SOMEBODY THAT REALLY FITS THE IDEA OF A CITIZEN LEGISLATOR THAT'S NOT WANTING TO BE A CAREER POLITICIAN, SOMEBODY WHO ISN'T LOOKING FOR A JOB BUT WANTS TO GET A JOB DONE. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M HOPING FOLKS WILL LOOK AT AND LOOK AT MY APPLICATION AND SAY THAT THEY'D HIRE MIKE.

Glover: MR. KENNEDY, THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU. WHEN REPUBLICAN VOTERS WALK INTO THOSE POLLING PLACES ON JUNE 6, WHAT DO YOU WANT THEM THINKING ABOUT BRIAN KENNEDY?

Kennedy: THAT HE'S A CONSERVATIVE WITH HIS CONVICTIONS WHO I CAN TRUST BECAUSE HE'S TOLD ME EXACTLY WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO, THAT HE'S GOING TO FIGHT FOR CULTURE OF LIFE, THAT HE'S GOING TO DEFEND OUR TRADITION, THAT HE'LL STAND FOR THE SECOND AMENDMENT, BUT THAT HE'S PUT OUT SPECIFIC PLANS OF WHAT TO DO ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, GAS PRICES, CLEANING UP CONGRESS, THAT THAT'S STANDS IN CONTRAST TO HIS OPPONENTS WHO ARE TALKING ABOUT VAGUE PROMISES IN THEIR RECORD.

Glover: AND YOU'VE BEEN THE MOST AGGRESSIVE PROBABLY OF ANY OF THE THREE IN ATTACKING YOUR OPPONENTS. DO YOU WANT THEM THINKING GOOD THINGS ABOUT YOU OR BAD THINGS ABOUT THEM?

Kennedy: I LIKE THEM TO THINK ABOUT THE TOTALITY OF THE ARGUMENT.

Glover: MR. DIX, THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU. AS THE VOTERS WALK INTO THE POLLING PLACE ON JUNE 6, WHAT DO YOU WANT THEM THINKING ABOUT BILL DIX?

Dix: I WANT THEM TO THINK AND REALIZE, AS I DO, THAT OUR FUTURE IS BRIGHT. I'M REMINDED EVERY DAY AT HOME WITH MY THREE CHILDREN, WHY I'M RUNNING FOR CONGRESS. THEY KEEP MY GROUNDED A

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