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Reporters' Roundtable

posted on June 26, 2006

Yepsen: THE ISSUES ARE BEGINNING TO SURFACE. THE CANDIDATES ARE FINE-TUNING THEIR MESSAGES, AND THE TONE AND FLAVOR OF THE CAMPAIGN OF 2006 IS TAKING SHAPE. WE DISCUSS THE POST PRIMARY ELECTION OF 2006 WITH OUR TEAM OF POLITICAL REPORTERS ON THIS EDITION OF 'IOWA PRESS.'

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ON STATEWIDE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION, THIS IS THE FRIDAY, JUNE 23 EDITION OF 'IOWA PRESS.' HERE IS DAVID YEPSEN.

Yepsen: THE JUNE 6 STATE PARTY PRIMARIES DETERMINED THE SLATES FOR THE UPCOMING NOVEMBER 7 GENERAL ELECTION, AND TODAY THE SUMMER CAMPAIGN SEASON CONTINUES. EARLY ASSESSMENTS INDICATE THAT THIS CAMPAIGN WILL BE A PARTICULARLY ROUGH-AND-TUMBLE AFFAIR. THE REASON? CORRUPTION. OR AT THE LEAST THE BROAD-BASED ALLEGATIONS OF IT IN THE CIETC SCANDAL HAS MOVED ONTO THE MENU OF USUAL CAMPAIGN ISSUES SUCH AS EDUCATION, TAXES, AND HEALTH CARE. NOW, COME NOVEMBER ALL FIVE SEATS IN THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ARE ON THE BALLOT. CONTROL OF BOTH THE IOWA HOUSE AND THE IOWA SENATE HANG THE BALANCE. AND WITH THE RETIREMENT OF TOM VILSACK, THE STATE WILL ELECT A NEW GOVERNOR. SO WE GATHER TODAY TO LOOK AT WHAT'S IN THE FUTURE ON EACH FRONT. AND JOINING US ARE TODD DORMAN, DES MOINES BUREAU CHIEF WITH 'THE LEE NEWSPAPERS,' AND KAY HENDERSON, NEWS DIRECTOR WITH 'RADIO IOWA.' ALSO WITH US AT THE 'IOWA PRESS' TABLE ARE MIKE GLOVER, SENIOR POLITICAL AND LEGISLATIVE REPORTER WITH THE 'ASSOCIATED PRESS,' AND JENEANE BECK, STATEHOUSE REPORTER WITH 'KUNI PUBLIC RADIO.' JENEANE, LET'S START FROM THE TOP. THE DEMOCRATS HAD A PRIMARY FOR GOVERNOR. CHET CULVER WON. WHAT WENT INTO THAT?

Beck: WELL, I THINK THAT WHAT WE LEARNED FROM THAT IS THAT THE RACE TO RUN FOR ANYTHING STARTS EARLIER AND EARLIER, AND THAT IS IN PART WHY CULVER WON. HE BEGAN EARLIER THAN EVERYONE ELSE. HE BEGAN RAISING MONEY EARLIER THAN EVERYONE ELSE. AND WHILE MIKE BLOUIN RAISED A LOT OF MONEY AND WAS ABLE TO REMAIN PRETTY COMPETITIVE, HE WILL TELL YOU THAT GETTING INTO THE RACE LATE MEANT THAT HE HAD TO SPEND THE FIRST SEVERAL MONTHS RAISING MONEY AND THAT KEPT HIM OUT OF RURAL IOWA AND OFF THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL AND THAT HURT HIM AND HE COULD NEVER CATCH UP NAME-WISE IN RURAL IOWA.

Yepsen: MIKE, WHAT DID YOU SEE?

Glover: ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I TOOK FROM THAT DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY WAS (A) CULVER ENDED UP WINNING WITH ABOUT 39 PERCENT OF THE VOTE, WHICH MEANS THAT SEVEN OUT OF TEN DEMOCRATS VOTED FOR SOMEBODY ELSE FOR GOVERNOR. BUT THAT WASN'T A DEEPLY BRUISING, BLOODY, DEFINING TYPE OF A PRIMARY. I THINK THE DEMOCRATS WALKED OUT OF THAT PRIMARY WITH AN ABILITY TO PULL THE PARTY BACK TOGETHER WITHOUT INDELIBLE DIVISIONS IN THE PRIMARY. SO I THINK THE PARTY IS IN REASONABLY GOOD SHAPE FOR THE FALL.

Yepsen: TODD, WHAT DID YOU SEE IN THAT PRIMARY?

Dorman: WELL, CULVER CAME INTO THE RACE WITH A NICE BRAND NAME. I MEAN HIS FATHER WAS A U.S. SENATOR, AND THAT MEANT A LOT TOO, ESPECIALLY TO SOME OF YOUR OLDER MEMBERS OF THE PARTY, SOME OF YOUR MORE DIE-HARD ACTIVISTS. HE ALSO HAD A FUND-RAISING ADVANTAGE EARLY, WHICH MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE. I THINK THERE WAS A PERCEPTION AMONG DEMOCRATS THAT HE WAS MAYBE THE MOST ELECTABLE OF THE THREE CONTENDERS. AND I MEAN FOR MIKE BLOUIN, THE ABORTION ISSUE LOOMED VERY LARGE. I MEAN HE'S PRO-CHOICE ON ABORTION -- OR PRO-LIFE ON ABORTION, RATHER, AND HE TRIED TO KIND OF NUANCE THAT BY SAYING HE WOULDN'T SIGN ANY FURTHER RESTRICTIONS. BUT IN THE END A LOT OF VOTERS THAT CARE DEEPLY ABOUT THAT ISSUE DIDN'T BUY IT.

Yepsen: KAY, WHAT DID YOU SEE IN THAT RACE?

Henderson: WELL, I THINK I AGREE WITH TODD IN THAT I THINK YOU, DAVID, TOLD THE 'NEW YORK TIMES' THAT HE WAS A PRO-LIFE/PRO-CHOICER. IS THAT THE PHRASEOLOGY YOU USED? AND THAT REALLY DOOMED HIS CANDIDACY. THERE ARE TWO OTHER THINGS THAT I SEE HERE. TOM VILSACK DID NOT GET THE SUCCESSOR HE WANTED IN THAT TO BE THE PARTY NOMINEE. PARTY INSIDERS REALLY KNEW THAT HE HAD KIND OF ENCOURAGED BLOUIN TO RUN. HIS HAND-PICKED SUCCESSOR DIDN'T WIN. SECONDLY, OUT OF THIS RACE, I THINK I SEE THAT THERE IS A POTENTIAL IN IOWA DEMOCRATIC POLITICS FOR A POPULIST TO BE SUCCESSFUL. ED FALLON DID INCREDIBLY WELL IN THAT ELECTION. HE HAD 38,000 PEOPLE WHO TURNED OUT. AND IN A LOW TURNOUT ELECTION, WE WOULD HAVE BEEN EVEN MORE COMPETITIVE. AND I THINK YOU CAN ARGUE THAT HIS PEOPLE WOULD HAVE GONE TO THE POLLS REGARDLESS OF THE TYPE OF ELECTION YEAR IT WAS. SO I THINK THAT WHAT IT TELLS US IS THAT IOWA IS SORT OF RIGHT FOR A CANDIDATE, LIKE A PAUL WELLSTONE OR MAYBE THE FORMER GOVERNOR OF MINNESOTA WHO WAS A WRESTLER, THAT IF SOMEONE CRAFTS A MESSAGE IN SUCH A WAY, I THINK A CANDIDATE OF THAT ILK COULD BE SUCCESSFUL.

Glover: I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN OVERLOOKED IN THIS GUBERNATORIAL RACE SO FAR ARE THE STAKES THAT TOM VILSACK HAS IN THIS RACE. TOM VILSACK HAS NATIONAL AMBITIONS. WHEN MARK WARNER LEFT AS GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA, THERE WAS A VERY CLOSE EYE PUT ON THE RACE TO REPLACE HIM. HE BET HE COULD GET A DEMOCRAT ELECTED TO REPLACE HIM, AND HE WON. TOM VILSACK NEEDS TO GET A DEMOCRAT ELECTED TO REPLACE HIM. I DISAGREE. I DON'T THINK CHET CULVER IS VIEWED AS THE MOST ELECTABLE DEMOCRAT. I THINK THE ONE THING BLOUIN HAD GOING FOR HIM WAS A LOT OF DEMOCRATS THOUGHT HE HAD THE BEST CHANCE IN THE GENERAL ELECTION. TOM VILSACK NEEDS TO GET A DEMOCRAT ELECTED TO REPLACE HIM TO ENHANCE HIS STANDING ON A NATIONAL STAGE. IF JIM NUSSLE WINS THE GOVERNORSHIP IN NOVEMBER, TOM VILSACK WILL BE VIEWED LARGELY AS INEFFECTIVE EVEN IN HIS HOME STATE. VIEWED WITH A FOURTH PLACE SHOWING IN THE POLL YOUR PAPER PUBLISHED, THAT WILL DAMAGE HIM PERHAPS IRREPARABLY.

Dorman: AND THE NUSSLE CAMPAIGN HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT THEY WANT TO MAKE THIS ABOUT TOM VILSACK. THEY WANT TO RUN AGAINST HIS RECORD AS GOVERNOR. AND SO NOT ONLY DOES THE GOVERNOR HAVE TO WORK TO GET A DEMOCRAT ELECTED, BUT HE'S ALSO GOING TO BE OUT THERE MAYBE TRYING TO ANSWER THE CHARGES THAT THE NUSSLE CAMPAIGN IS MAKING ABOUT HIS TENURE.

Yepsen: IS THAT STRATEGY GOING TO WORK? I MEAN JIM NUSSLE IS RUNNING AGAINST CHET CULVER, NOT TOM VILSACK. WHY DOES NUSSLE WANT TO PICK A FIGHT WITH VILSACK?

Dorman: WELL, FOR ONE THING, CHET CULVER AS SECRETARY OF STATE DOESN'T HAVE THE KIND OF RECORD THAT YOU CAN -- THAT YOU CAN MAKE A LOT OF HAY OUT OF. I MEAN HE'S THE COMMISSIONER OF ELECTIONS, AND HE FILES BUSINESS DOCUMENTS BUT -- SO WHAT I GUESS JIM NUSSLE IS TRYING TO DO IS ARGUE THAT DEMOCRATS AREN'T COMPETENT ENOUGH TO RUN THE GOVERNMENT.

Glover: WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SEE BY THE TIME THIS CAMPAIGN IS OUT -- I'M SEEING THE EMERGING NUSSLE CAMPAIGN AS A CAMPAIGN RUNNING FIVE CONGRESSIONAL CAMPAIGNS, IN OTHER WORDS, RUNNING FOR CONGRESS IN FIVE DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE STATE. HE'S NOT RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR YET, AND I THINK THAT'S A FUNDAMENTAL MISJUDGMENT ON HIS PART.

Yepsen: JENEANE, I'M CURIOUS, ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED IN THE PRIMARY NIGHT WAS HOW CULVER DID NOT DO WELL IN THE STATE'S MOST URBAN COUNTIES. THEY WERE VOTING FOR MIKE BLOUIN OR ED FALLON. WHAT IS THAT -- DOES THAT HAVE ANY RAMIFICATIONS FOR CHET CULVER IN NOVEMBER THAT THE DEMOCRATS IN THE LARGEST COUNTIES -- SOME OF THE LARGEST COUNTIES IN IOWA WENT SOMEPLACE ELSE?

Beck: WELL, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN THEORY IT COULD. BUT I THINK THAT EVEN IF DEMOCRATS VOTED FOR SOMEONE ELSE, THEIR DISLIKE FOR NUSSLE -- CONGRESSMAN NUSSLE IS GOING TO BE STRONGER THAN THEIR MAYBE TEPID FEELINGS FOR CULVER, AND THEY WILL GO TO THE POLLS AND VOTE FOR CULVER. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, MIKE MADE THE COMMENT HE ONLY GOT 39 PERCENT. BUT, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER YOU HAVE A THREE-WAY BATTLE, NO ONE IS GOING TO -- I MEAN UNLESS THEY JUST BLOW THE COMPETITION AWAY, I THINK THAT DEMOCRATS FIND IT HEALTHY THAT THEY WERE SPLIT FAIRLY EVENLY AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT BOTHERS THEM AND I THINK THEY WILL, IN TURN, GO OUT FOR THEIR CANDIDATE ON --

Glover: JENEANE IS RIGHT. NUSSLE WILL -- IN THE FALL.

Yepsen: TODD, LET'S TALK ABOUT MIKE BLOUIN AND ED FALLON, EVEN THOUGH THEY LOST. SPECIFICALLY WHAT DID EACH ONE OF THEM -- WHAT DID MIKE BLOUIN DO RIGHT; WHAT DID HE DO WRONG?

Dorman: WELL, HE -- WHAT MIKE BLOUIN DID RIGHT WAS THAT HE -- HE LOOKED AT THE GOVERNOR'S APPROVAL RATINGS AND THOUGHT TO HIMSELF, YOU KNOW, I CAN RUN AS, YOU KNOW, THE PERSON WHO IS GOING TO CARRY ON TOM VILSACK'S LEGACY. IT DIDN'T TURN OUT TO HELP HIM IN THE END. HE HAD AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT RECORD AS THE DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT HE THOUGHT HE COULD RUN ON, AND THAT LOOKED LIKE A DECENT STRATEGY AT THE BEGINNING. BUT IN THE END HIS RIVALS WERE SO CRITICAL OF THE IOWA VALUES FUND THAT THAT TOOK HIM OFF HIS GAME ALSO. HE LINED UP A LOT OF ENDORSEMENTS IN THE LEGISLATURE WHICH -- AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, TOM MILLER, ENDORSED HIM, AND THOSE DIDN'T END UP DOING A LOT OF GOOD. IN THE END, AS I SAID, I THINK THE CHOICE ISSUE REALLY ALIENATED A LOT OF DEMOCRATIC VOTERS THAT MIGHT HAVE, AS MIKE SAID, SEEN HIM AS THE MOST LIKABLE CANDIDATE. THEY JUST COULDN'T --

Glover: THERE'S A FUNDAMENTAL THING THAT JENEANE TOUCHED ON EARLIER. THE FUNDAMENTAL THING THAT MIKE BLOUIN DID WRONG WAS HE DIDN'T START RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR EIGHT YEARS AGO, WHICH IS WHAT CHET CULVER DID. CHET CULVER HAS SPENT THE LAST EIGHT YEARS DOING THE BARNSTORMING, GRASSROOTS CAMPAIGNING JUST LIKE TERRY BRANSTAD. AND MIKE BLOUIN JUMPED IN IN THE SUMMER -- LAST SUMMER. IT WAS JUST TOO LATE.

Beck: AND HE WAS ALSO ON THE DEFENSIVE THE ENTIRE TIME. HE EITHER HAD SOMEONE ATTACKING HIS POSITION ON ABORTION OR SOMEONE ATTACKING HIS WORK ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IOWA VALUES FUND. I DON'T THINK HE GOT THE CHANCE TO GET OUT THERE AND SAY 'THIS IS WHAT I'M FOR, THIS IS MY MESSAGE'; WHEREAS, CULVER DID GET OUT TO DO THAT, AND HE TALKED ABOUT RENEWABLE FUELS AND MAKING IOWA THE CAPITAL OF THE WORLD IN RENEWABLE ENERGY. I JUST DON'T THINK MIKE BLOUIN EVER GOT TO BE OUT FRONT WITH HIS IDEAS BECAUSE HE WAS CONSTANTLY FENDING OFF ATTACKS.

Yepsen: IT REALLY IS A PRO-CHOICE PARTY. KAY, WHAT -- HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT ENDORSEMENTS? WAS AFSCME THE BIG LOSER IN THE PRIMARY? THEY ENDORSED MIKE BLOUIN.

Henderson: RIGHT. I THINK AFSCME DID NOT COME OUT OF THIS SMELLING LIKE A ROSE. I DON'T THINK ENDORSEMENTS MEAN THAT MUCH IN IOWA POLITICS ANYMORE. I THINK THE ENDORSEMENTS THAT REALLY MATTER ARE YOUR NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR WHO MAY HAVE MET MIKE BLOUIN AT A FUND-RAISER AND REALLY LIKES MIKE BLOUIN, OR MAYBE THE PASTOR OF YOUR CHURCH WHO HAS AN OPINION. I THINK PEOPLE ARE MORE SWAYED BY PEOPLE WHO THEY LIVE NEXT TO AND THAT THEY'RE RELATED TO THAN THEY ARE BY ANY STATE LEGISLATOR OR ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO ENDORSES SOMEONE.

Yepsen: JENEANE, WHAT ABOUT ED FALLON? WHAT DO YOU THINK HE DID RIGHT? WHAT DID HE DO WRONG?

Beck: WELL, I THINK THAT HIS MESSAGE -- I THINK THE CIETC SCANDAL WOULD HELP AN ED FALLON BECAUSE HE DOESN'T TAKE PAC MONEY AND HE -- THE TIME WAS RIGHT FOR HIM TO LOOK AT THE SCANDALS THAT WE'VE HAD IN WASHINGTON WITH THE CORPORATE LOBBYISTS AND THE CIETC SCANDAL HERE IN IOWA. FOR A CANDIDATE LIKE THAT TO COME FORWARD AND SAY, 'YOU KNOW, WHAT, I DON'T PLAY THAT GAME. I'M NOT INFLUENCED BY MONEY --' AND THAT'S WHAT HE DID WELL ACROSS THE STATE AND IN DEBATES IN TALKING ABOUT THAT. TO ME THAT WAS HIS BEST ARGUMENT.

Yepsen: MIKE, IS THE REASON HE DID SO WELL THAT THE DEMOCRATIC LEFT IS SO VERY ANGRY JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING AND FALLON BECAME SORT OF THE VESSEL FOR THAT ANGER?

Glover: THAT'S PART OF IT. THAT'S PART OF IT. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WENT INTO ED FALLON'S RELATIVELY STRONG SHOWING, 26 PERCENT OF THE VOTE, WAS ED FALLON GREW AS A CANDIDATE THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THAT CAMPAIGN. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT -- ONE OF THE GREAT CHALLENGES WE FACE IS TO MEASURE A CANDIDATE WHO IS GOING TO GROW INTO THE JOB. AS HE WAS IN THE RACE FOR GOVERNOR, FALLON GREW. HE GOT MORE THOUGHTFUL. HE GOT MORE FOCUSED. HE GOT MORE -- YOU GET BETTER AS A CANDIDATE. AND AS A RESULT, HE WAS ABLE TO ATTRACT THAT DEMOCRATIC LEFT THAT'S ALIENATED AND ANGRY. HE ALSO WAS ABLE TO ATTRACT A GROUP OF DISAFFECTED REPUBLICANS WHO ARE UNHAPPY WITH THAT SORT OF RIGHTWARD DRIFT OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY TO VOICE THEIR MESSAGE. HE ACTUALLY CAN BE A KEY FIGURE IN THIS FALL ELECTION BECAUSE THE VOTERS WHO TURNED OUT FOR ED FALLON ARE VOTERS THAT HAVE TO SHOW UP IF CHET CULVER IS TO HAVE A CHOICE FOR WINNING THIS ELECTION IN THE FALL. ED FALLON WILL BE A VERY IMPORTANT PERSON FOR CHET CULVER COME THE FALL ELECTION. AND IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW HE FITS INTO THAT WHOLE CAMPAIGN.

Henderson: ONE OTHER POINT ABOUT ED FALLON. I THINK WHEN HE WAS ON THE DAIS WITH CULVER AND BLOUIN AT HIS SIDE IN DEBATE SITUATIONS, HE CAME OFF LOOKING PRETTY GOOD BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE CONSULTANTS WHO SAID, 'IN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION, YOU GIVE THIS ANSWER.' I MEAN HE LOOKED NORMAL. HE LOOKED HUMAN. THERE WAS A QUESTION; HE ACTUALLY ANSWERED IT. SO I THINK HE CAME OFF IN THOSE SETTINGS WHERE PEOPLE WERE MEASURING THE CANDIDATES AGAINST ONE ANOTHER, I THINK HE CAME OFF RATHER WELL.

Dorman: THERE'S A HUNGER AMONG VOTERS FOR CANDIDATES THAT SEEM GENUINE, AND HE FIT THAT BILL. LIKE KAY SAID, A LOT OF TIMES THE OTHER CANDIDATES WOULD LOOK, YOU KNOW, PREPROGRAMMED, KIND OF ROBOTIC. AND HE DIDN'T LOOK THAT WAY. HE LOOKED LIKE HE WAS ANSWERING QUESTIONS HONESTLY, AND I THINK THAT BUILT A LOT OF APPEAL TO HIM.

Glover: I THINK ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS -- AND I THINK EVERYTHING HAS KIND OF SAID IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS. WE'VE SET OURSELVES UP FOR A GOVERNOR'S ELECTION. IT'S GOING TO BE A REAL DOGFIGHT THIS FALL. I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO WIN THIS DARN THING.

Yepsen: AND IT KEEPS US FULLY EMPLOYED. [ LAUGHTER ]

Glover: IT'S A REPORTERS EMPLOYMENT BILL.

Yepsen: TODD, CIETC HAS COME UP HERE, THE CENTRAL IOWA EMPLOYMENT TRAINING CONSORTIUM SCANDAL. AS WE LOOK AHEAD TO THE FALL RACE, NUSSLE VERSUS CULVER, HOW IS CIETC GOING TO AFFECT THAT RACE, IF AT ALL, AND WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THAT INVESTIGATION?

Dorman: WELL, THE STATUS OF THE INVESTIGATION IS THAT THE LEGISLATURE CONTINUES TO DRAG LOTS OF PEOPLE TO THE STATEHOUSE TO TESTIFY BEFORE THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE. THERE ARE STATE AND FEDERAL INVESTIGATIONS GOING ON. INDICTMENTS COULD COME, YOU KNOW, IN THE COMING MONTHS. AS FAR AS THE POLITICAL RAMIFICATIONS, FOR ONE THING, I MEAN, THE BEST NEWS ABOUT IT IS FOR JIM NUSSLE WHO CAN USE IT TO INOCULATE HIMSELF AGAINST CHARGES THAT ARE INEVITABLY GOING TO COME THAT HE'S WRAPPED UP IN WASHINGTON WITH THE SCANDALS THERE, AND HE CAN THEN POINT TO A SCANDAL HERE INVOLVING DEMOCRATS. AS FAR AS WHETHER VOTERS ARE GOING TO BE STILL MAKING A DECISION BASED ON THIS IN THE FALL, IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY. IT DEPENDS ON THE INVESTIGATION. IF IT LEADS TO INDICTMENTS THAT GO HIGHER THAN YOUR DES MOINES CITY OFFICIALS AND COUNTY FOLKS, THEN IT COULD HAVE STAYING POWER. AND I THINK JIM NUSSLE OBVIOUSLY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT AS PART OF HIS ARGUMENT THAT DEMOCRATS AREN'T COMPETENT TO RUN GOVERNMENT.

Beck: I THINK THAT --

Glover: IN AN ERA OF TOM DELAY, JACK ABRAMOFF, AND ALL THE SCANDALS GOING ON IN WASHINGTON, YOU CAN BET REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO TRY TO KEEP THIS SCANDAL GOING JUST AS LONG AS THEY CAN. IT'S IN THEIR INTEREST.

Yepsen: DOESN'T IT HELP, MIKE, IN SORT OF A TURNOUT SUPPRESSION THING, THAT IF PEOPLE ARE SAYING A PLAGUE ON ALL YOUR HOUSES, THAT'S GOING TO HELP REPUBLICANS MORE THAN DEMOCRATS IF A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST STAY HOME, RIGHT?

Glover: IT'S -- ON KIND OF A TECHNICAL SENSE, IT'S A BIG DEAL FOR DEMOCRATS BECAUSE IT INVOLVES THE POLK COUNTY DEMOCRATIC PARTY, THE STATE'S LARGEST COUNTY, WHERE ANY DEMOCRAT, IF THEY HOPE TO WIN STATEWIDE, HAS TO WALK OUT OF POLK COUNTY WITH A SUBSTANTIAL PAD. IT'S SPLIT THAT PARTY. YOU'VE GOT ONE-HALF OF THE PARTY, THE JOHN MAURO, ARCHIE BROOKS, SORT OF TRADITIONAL SOUTHSIDE ITALIAN HALF OF THE PARTY, WRAPPED UP IN THE CIETC SCANDAL. YOU'VE GOT THE CHET CULVER, ED FALLON, LIBERAL WING OF THE POLK COUNTY DEMOCRATIC PARTY ON THE OTHER SIDE. IF THOSE TWO FACTIONS START WARRING AND THE POLK COUNTY DEMOCRATIC PARTY CAN'T TURN OUT THE PAD A CANDIDATE NEEDS, THAT COULD HAVE AN EFFECT IN THE FALL.

Henderson: WELL, WE SAW THE FIRST SHOT ON THIS SHOW, WAS IT LAST WEEK, WHEN CHET CULVER SHOT ARCHIE BROOKS IN THE HEAD, FIGURATIVELY, NOT LITERALLY, AND SAID, 'HEY, ARCHIE BROOKS BEARS GREAT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT AND HE SHOULD RESIGN.' SO SCHISM HAS ALREADY START.

Yepsen: CHET CULVER DOES NOT NEED AN ARCHIE BROOKS ALBATROSS AROUND HIS NECK.

Glover: BUT HE NEEDS THAT VOTE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF DES MOINES.

Dorman: THE BIG QUESTION IS ALSO -- WHILE THIS IS BEING VERY INTENSELY FOLLOWED IN CENTRAL IOWA, THE QUESTION IS HOW MANY FOLKS OUT IN NEAR SIOUX CITY AND DAVENPORT ARE FOLLOWING THIS AS CLOSELY AND CARE AS MUCH ABOUT IT.

Yepsen: JENEANE, LET'S TURN OUR ATTENTION TO THE CONGRESSIONAL PRIMARIES, THE FIRST DISTRICT, DEMOCRATS. THAT'S NUSSLE'S OLD SEAT. THE DEMOCRATS HAD A GOOD PRIMARY: BRUCE BRALEY, RICK DICKINSON, BILL GLUBA. BRALEY WON. WHAT WENT INTO THAT RACE? WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THAT?

Beck: WELL, WHAT I KNOW -- FOUND INTERESTING IS THAT BOTH IN THE DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN PRIMARY, SORT OF THE OUTSIDER WON IN THEIR PROSPECTIVE PRIMARY. BRUCE BRALEY HAS NOT RUN FOR OFFICE BEFORE, AND NEITHER HAD RICK -- WELL, RICK DICKINSON HAD AND HE WAS BETTER KNOWN IN THE SENSE THAT HE'S VERY INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY AND HE'D BEEN INVOLVED IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND I JUST THINK HE WAS THIS YOUNG, FRESH CANDIDATE AND PEOPLE WANTED A NEW START. THEY'VE HAD JIM NUSSLE IN CONGRESS A LONG TIME, AND THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A FRESH, YOUNG FACE, MAYBE LIKE NUSSLE WAS MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, THE YOUNG FRESH FACE. AND I THINK IN BOTH CASES, THE OUTSIDER WON. AND I THINK THAT'S INTERESTING.

Yepsen: DO THE DEMOCRATS HAVE A UNITY PROBLEM IN THAT DISTRICT? I'M STRUCK BY THE FACT BRALEY WON WELL IN HIS HOME COUNTY, BLACK HAWK; DICKINSON AROUND DUBUQUE; BILL GLUBA AROUND SCOTT COUNTY.

Beck: I THINK THAT THEY HAVE A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN I WOULD SAY CHET CULVER DOES OF UNITING THE PARTY, ONLY BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN WILLING TO ELECT A REPUBLICAN IN THAT DISTRICT BEFORE. SO I THINK THAT THEY DO NEED TO WORK VERY HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DO UNIFY AFTERWARDS. IF THEY WANT TO WIN THAT SEAT, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO.

Glover: BEFORE WE BEGIN DISSING ENDORSEMENTS, ENDORSEMENTS MATTER IN THE FIRST DISTRICT. BRUCE BRALEY GOT THE BACKING OF A LOT OF MAJOR INTEREST GROUPS. HE GOT THE BACKING OF THE HEFT OF ORGANIZED LABOR. HE GOT THE BACKING OF SORT OF THE DEMOCRATIC ESTABLISHMENT. AND I THINK WHAT THAT ELECTION PROVED -- THAT PRIMARY PROVED WAS IN A DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY IN NORTHEAST IOWA, IT'S BETTER TO BE A LABOR LAWYER THAN AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.

Yepsen: TODD, ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE OF THAT EQUATION, MIKE WHALEN FROM SCOTT COUNTY WON THAT PRIMARY AGAINST BRIAN KENNEDY AND BILL DIX. WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT RACE?

Dorman: WELL, IT WAS NOT NEARLY AS CLOSE AS PEOPLE THOUGHT. THERE WAS AN EXPECTATION THAT BILL DIX AND BRIAN KENNEDY AND MIKE WHALEN WOULD HAVE A TIGHT RACE DOWN IN THE END. BUT IN THE END, MIKE WHALEN WON BIG. AND I THINK PART OF WHAT I'VE HEARD OUT OF THAT RACE IS THAT VOTERS PERCEIVED HIM AS THE MOST POSITIVE CANDIDATE. THEY RECEIVED, AS JENEANE SAID, THE OUTSIDER. THEY SAW HIM AS SOMEONE THAT COULD MAYBE GO TO WASHINGTON AND DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY. AND I MEAN BILL DIX AND BRIAN KENNEDY RAN A LOT OF ADS ON IMMIGRATION, RAN FAIRLY NEGATIVE CAMPAIGNS TRYING TO CATCH UP. AND IN THE END, IT WAS ALMOST LIKE VOTERS DECIDED TO TAKE THE HIGH ROAD.

Yepsen: YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN THAT PRIMARY ON JUNE 6 IN SCOTT COUNTY WAS TWO INCUMBENT LEGISLATORS LOST. AND IOWANS FOR TAX RELIEF REALLY WENT AFTER THOSE TWO LEGISLATORS, MAGGIE TINSMAN AND JOE HUNTER. AND DID THAT HELP TO DRIVE UP THE TURNOUT IN SCOTT COUNTY, WHICH IN TURN HELPED MIKE WHALEN?

Dorman: IT MAY HAVE. IT'S ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS, THOUGH, WHERE MIKE WHALEN WAS MAYBE PERCEIVED AS THE MODERATE IN THAT RACE. AND IN THE LEGISLATIVE PRIMARY, ESPECIALLY IN MAGGIE TINSMAN'S PRIMARY, SHE WAS DEFEATED BY A MORE CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE. SO IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING THAT WHETHER THERE WERE COATTAILS THERE, I'M NOT SURE. BUT THERE WAS MORE TURNOUT IN SCOTT COUNTY. AND OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS WHERE MIKE WHALEN WOULD BE STRONGEST BECAUSE THAT'S HIS NATIVE AREA.

Glover: THAT RACE SET UP AN INTERESTING PROFILE FOR IMMIGRATION AND HOW THAT DEBATE IS GOING TO PLAY OUT, BECAUSE BRIAN KENNEDY WORKED OVERTIME TO MAKE HIS HARD-LINE STANCE ON IMMIGRATION THE CENTRAL ISSUE IN THAT CAMPAIGN AND IT DIDN'T WORK AT ALL. NOW, WHETHER THAT WAS BECAUSE KENNEDY WASN'T A VERY GOOD CANDIDATE, WHETHER THE ISSUE DIDN'T CATCH FIRE, I DON'T THINK WE KNOW YET. I THINK THE ISSUE IS GOING TO REMAIN. BUT THAT RAISES REAL QUESTIONS ABOUT IN THIS STATE, AS OPPOSED TO THE REST THE COUNTRY, HOW DOES THAT ISSUE PLAY OUT.

Yepsen: KAY, GIVE US YOUR HANDICAP OF THE FALL RACE BETWEEN MIKE WHALEN AND BRUCE BRALEY.

Henderson: I THINK IT'S TOO SOON TO TELL. I MEAN THIS IS A RACE INTO WHICH BOTH PARTIES ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL ARE GOING TO POUR MONEY. SO IF YOU LIVE IN WATERLOO OR DAVENPORT, GET READY. YOUR TELEVISION SCREENS ARE GOING TO BE FULL OF ADVERTISEMENTS FOR THESE TWO CANDIDATES.

Yepsen: MIKE, WHAT'S YOUR HANDICAP OF THAT RACE? DON'T THE DEMOCRATS HAVE AN EDGE IN THAT ONE?

Glover: THE DEMOCRATS HAVE AN EDGE. AND IF -- THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM IS THIS IS GOING TO BE A PRETTY BAD YEAR FOR REPUBLICANS. I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S THE WISDOM I'D BUY INTO AT THIS POINT, BUT THAT'S THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM. IF IT'S A FAIRLY BAD YEAR FOR REPUBLICANS, THAT'S A DEMOCRATIC LEANING DISTRICT, THE DEMOCRATS OUGHT TO HAVE -- THE REPUBLICANS HAVE HAD IT SINCE THE 1970S, SO I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S ANYTHING MORE THAN A FLIP OF THE COIN.

Yepsen: MIKE, THERE WASN'T A CONGRESSIONAL PRIMARY IN THE THIRD DISTRICT HERE IN CENTRAL IOWA, LEONARD BOSWELL VERSUS JEFF LAMBERTI. BUT WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THAT RACE? ANY SENSE OF HOW THAT'S BREAKING?

Glover: THAT'S GOING TO BE, IN MY VIEW, A COMPETITIVE, TIGHT, HARD-FOUGHT RACE THAT'S GOING TO GET A LOT OF ATTENTION. JEFF LAMBERTI, OVER THE LAST TWO FUND-RAISING PERIODS, RAISED MORE MONEY THAN AN INCUMBENT MEMBER OF CONGRESS. THAT TELLS ME SOMETHING. THAT TELLS ME THAT LAMBERTI IS PUTTING THAT RACE -- HE SPENT SIX MONTHS MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE THEIR BUSINESS TARGETING CONGRESSIONAL ELECTIONS PUT THE THIRD DISTRICT IN IOWA ON THEIR TARGETING LIST. HE SUCCEEDED. IT WILL GET ALL THE RESOURCES HE NEEDS. THIS IS A DEMOCRATIC LEANING DISTRICT, THE THIRD DISTRICT IS, BUT IT'S NOT AN OVERWHELMINGLY DEMOCRATIC DISTRICT. AND BOSWELL HAS HAD TO MOVE INTO THE DISTRICT AFTER REDISTRICTING. HE'S BEEN A TERRIFIC FIT FOR THE DISTRICT. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A HARD-FOUGHT, TOUGH, TIGHT CONGRESSIONAL ELECTION.

Yepsen: AND HE'S GOT HEALTH PROBLEMS.

Beck: WELL, AND LAMBERTI HAS NOTHING TO LOSE. LAMBERTI IS NOT LIKE STAN THOMPSON, WHO WANTS TO RUN AGAIN IF THIS DOESN'T WORK OUT. I MEAN HE MADE A DECISION THAT IT WAS TIME -- IT WAS TIME TO LEAVE THE LEGISLATURE. IT WAS TIME TO TAKE HIS SHOT OR CALL IT QUITS AND GO BACK TO HIS HOME COMMUNITY OF ANKENY AND JUST BE A LAWYER AND ENJOY TIME WITH HIS FAMILY. IT WAS NOW OR NEVER, AND SO HE'S GOING TO FIGHT LIKE THE DEVIL BECAUSE THIS IS HIS SHOT, IN HIS MIND.

Yepsen: KAY, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER ISSUE THAT'S COME ROARING OUT OF NOWHERE AT THE STATEHOUSE CALLED EMINENT DOMAIN. THE GOVERNOR, IN A BIT OF A SURPRISE, VETOED A BILL THE LEGISLATURE HAD OVERWHELMINGLY PASSED. THERE'S TALK OF A SPECIAL SESSION. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE EMINENT DOMAIN ISSUE?

Henderson: WELL, IT'S A MUDDLE RIGHT NOW. YOU HAVE LEGISLATORS IN BOTH THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE TRYING TO POSITION THEMSELVES IN SUCH A WAY AS TO GAIN THE LOVE OF IOWANS WHO LOVE THEIR PROPERTY RIGHTS. THIS IS ALL ABOUT PROPERTY RIGHTS IN RESPONSE TO A U.S. SUPREME COURT DECISION. IT'S UNCLEAR AS TO WHETHER TOM VILSACK IS GOING TO WIN THIS ONE. IT'S IN HIS BEST INTEREST TO HAVE THEM COME BACK AND TO PASS ANOTHER BILL. REPUBLICAN LEGISLATORS WANT TO COME BACK INTO SPECIAL SESSION AND VETO THE BILL THAT HE DEALT WITH. SO THERE'S STILL NO CLEAR CONSENSUS, PARTLY BECAUSE THE SENATE IS 25 REPUBLICANS AND 25 DEMOCRATS, AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE REAL DECISION MAKING WILL OCCUR. THE HOUSE --

Yepsen: TODD, GO AHEAD. WHAT'S YOUR -- WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THIS ISSUE?

Dorman: WELL, REPUBLICANS ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT HAVING THIS AS AN ELECTION ISSUE BECAUSE BASICALLY IT'S GOVERNMENT VERSUS THE LITTLE GUY. I MEAN --

Yepsen: IT WHIPS UP THE GOP --

Dorman: YEAH. I MEAN YOU BRING -- THEY BROUGHT PEOPLE TO THE CAPITOL THAT ARE SAYING THEY'RE LOSING CENTURY FARMS FOR AIRPORT PROJECTS AND LAKES. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY RECOURSE. THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE RIGHTS. AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO STAND UP FOR THESE PEOPLE, AND I THINK THAT RESONATES IN A STATE WHERE, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE A BIG DEAL.

Beck: THIS ISSUE FELL FROM THE SKY FOR THEM. NOBODY EXPECTED THE GOVERNOR TO VETO IT, INCLUDING MEMBERS OF HIS OWN PARTY. I MEAN THAT HAD HUGE AMOUNTS OF BIPARTISAN SUPPORT. AND I HAVE HEARD FROM SOME DEMOCRATS WHO ARE SAYING, 'YOU KNOW WHAT, HE'S A LAME DUCK GOVERNOR. WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO FOR HIM? LET'S OVERRIDE HIS VETO BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO KILL US OR AT LEAST CREATE AN ISSUE THAT REPUBLICANS DIDN'T HAVE UNTIL A MONTH AGO.'

Yepsen: WE'RE ALL IN THIS FOR OURSELVES.

Glover: THE ISSUE IS HOW MUCH POWER SHOULD LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE TO TAKE PRIVATE PROPERTY FOR PUBLIC PROJECTS, HOW FAR SHOULD THAT GO. THE BILL THAT THE GOVERNOR VETOED WOULD PUT NEW LIMITS ON THEM. IT WOULD ALLOW GOVERNMENT FAIRLY WIDE LATITUDE TO COME IN, TAKE YOUR PROPERTY, ALBEIT WITH COMPENSATION, FOR A PUBLIC PROJECT. VILSACK VETOED THAT. REPUBLICANS SEE A GORGEOUS CAMPAIGN ISSUE HERE. WE'RE GOING TO STAND UP FOR YOUR PRIVATE PROPERTY. DO YOU THINK THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN AND FIX THIS AND BAIL OUT A LAME-DUCK GOVERNOR? THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Yepsen: WELL, IT WASN'T JUST PUBLIC PROJECTS. IT WAS DEFINING PUBLIC PROJECTS AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

Glover: EXACTLY.

Yepsen: IT'S ONE THING TO TAKE IT FOR A ROAD. IT'S ANOTHER THING TO TAKE IT TO BUILD A SHOPPING MALL.

Glover: AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE YOUR HOUSE AND WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A RESORT THERE BECAUSE WE THINK WE CAN GET MORE TAX MONEY OUT OF A RESORT THAN YOUR HOUSE.

Yepsen: WE'VE ONLY GOT A COUPLE MINUTES LEFT. AND, JENEANE, I WANTED TO MENTION SENATOR STEWART IVERSON, WHO HAS BEEN A GUEST ON THIS SHOW A NUMBER OF TIMES, SENATE MAJORITY LEADER, MINORITY LEADER, COLEADER, SAID HE'S GOING TO QUIT.

Beck: YEAH.

Yepsen: WHAT'S THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT?

Beck: WELL, THERE'S A COUPLE OF RAMIFICATIONS. ONE, SENATOR LUNDBY CAN BREATHE A SLIGHT SIGH OF RELIEF IN THE SENSE THAT IF THEY HAD WON CONTROL OF THE CHAMBER, SHE MAY HAVE ANOTHER BATTLE ON HER HAND TO REGAIN THE MAJORITY LEADER SEAT. ON THE OTHER HAND, THE DOWNSIDE FOR THEM IS HE HAD RAISED A LOT OF MONEY AND HE HAS PROMISED HE WILL HELP ELECT CANDIDATES TO THE SENATE. BUT IT IS A DOWNSIDE FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE SENATE. AND THEN FOR THE HOUSE, THERE'S RAMIFICATIONS THERE BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO REPUBLICAN REPRESENTATIVES WHO ARE NOW LOOKING TO JUMP AND GO TO THE SENATE. AND THAT SUDDENLY OPENS UP A SEAT IN THE HOUSE, AND THAT'S ANOTHER WORRY FOR CHRIS RANTS, THAT HE HAS TO HAVE AN OPEN SEAT INSTEAD OF A SEAT WITH AN INCUMBENT TO WIN.

Glover: THE REALITY THAT WAS BEHIND STEWART IVERSON'S DECISION IS THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM AT THE STATEHOUSE IS REPUBLICANS LOSE THE SENATE NEXT NOVEMBER, AND THAT I THINK WAS THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND IVERSON'S DECISION. HE HAD NO DESIRE TO COME BACK AND BE IN THE MINORITY.

Yepsen: KAY, ONE OTHER DEVELOPMENT WAS GOVERNOR VILSACK MADE HIS FIRST FORAY TO NEW HAMPSHIRE. YOU WERE WITH HIM IN THE ENTOURAGE. HOW DID HE DO?

Henderson: HE DID, SURPRISING TO ME, QUITE WELL. HE WAS VERY WELL RECEIVED BY AUDIENCES. HE GAVE A SPEECH, A VERY KEY KIND OF LOW-KEY POLICY WONK SPEECH, TO A GROUP OF BUSINESS LEADERS, AND IT WAS VERY WELL RECEIVED. NEW HAMPSHIRE VOTERS ARE A LOT DIFFERENT FROM THE UNIVERSE OF PEOPLE WHO PARTICIPATE IN IOWA DEMOCRATIC PARTY CAUCUSES. THESE ARE MODERATE VOTERS LOOKING FOR A MORE MODERATE VOICE, AND THEY SEE VILSACK AS ONE AMONG MANY MODERATES IN THE PARTY WHO THEY HOPE WILL SORT OF BECOME A LEADING CANDIDATE FOR THEM IN NEW HAMPSHIRE. HE ALSO GAVE A SPEECH AT A PARTY FUND-RAISER, SO THAT WAS AMONG THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY FAITHFUL. AND HE ACTUALLY MADE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE CRY. SO HIS ORATORICAL SKILLS, WHICH WE HAVE SEEN OVER THE YEARS -- AND MAYBE WE MAY BE A BIT BLASE AND NOT REALIZE HE HAS THOSE SKILLS. HE ACTUALLY HAS THOSE SKILLS.

Yepsen: TODD, DO YOU THINK HE DOES BETTER THAN FOURTH PLACE IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, WHICH IS WHERE HE IS IN THE IOWA POLL?

Dorman: IT'S SO EARLY. IT'S ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE IN THE IOWA POLL, I MEAN LOCAL CANDIDATES ALWAYS HAVE A HARD TIME CONVINCING THE FOLKS HERE THAT THEY HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO BE PRESIDENT. LIGHTNING WOULD HAVE TO STRIKE I THINK FOR HIM TO -- FOR HIM TO ACTUALLY BE A CONTENDER BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LONG TIME AND ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.

Glover: THE ALBATROSS AROUND TOM VILSACK'S NECK IS HIS HOME STATE. HE CAN'T MEET EXPECTATIONS HERE. HE WON'T MEET EXPECTATIONS HERE, AND THAT WILL DOOM ANY CANDIDACY.

Yepsen: DO YOU THINK HE'S GOING TO RUN?

Glover: YEAH.

Yepsen: HOW DO YOU THINK, JENEANE? DO YOU THINK HE'LL GET IN THIS?

Beck: I THINK HE'S -- I'VE ALWAYS WONDERED IF HE WILL, BUT HE'S TAKING EVERY STEP. I CAN'T IMAGINE NOW THAT HE TAKES ALL THESE STEPS AND THEN DOESN'T.

Yepsen: BUT CAN HE SURVIVE A FOURTH-PLACE FINISH IN IOWA?

Beck: I DON'T THINK SO.

Glover: IT WON'T WORK. HE DOESN'T KNOW THAT YET. HE'LL LEARN IT IN TIME.

Yepsen: ONE THING WE'VE LEARNED, WE HAVE A CLOCK HERE ON THIS SHOW. AND WE'RE OUT OF TIME. THANKS, EVERYBODY, FOR OUR CHAT TODAY. WE RETURN NEXT WEEKEND AT OUR REGULAR 'IOWA PRESS' AIRTIMES: FRIDAY AT 7:30 AND SUNDAY MORNING AT 11:30. I HOPE YOU'LL BE JOINING US. I'M DAVID YEPSEN OF 'THE DES MOINES REGISTER.' THANKS FOR BEING WITH US HERE ON STATEWIDE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION.

FUNDING FOR THIS PROGRAM WAS PROVIDED BY 'FRIENDS,' THE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION FOUNDATION; BY THE IOWA BANKERS ASSOCIATION... FOR PERSONAL, BUSINESS, AND COMMERCIAL NEEDS, IOWA BANKS HELP IOWANS REACH THEIR FINANCIAL GOALS; BY THE ASSOCIATED GENERAL CONTRACTORS OF IOWA, THE PUBLIC'S PARTNER IN BUILDING IOWA'S HIGHWAY, BRIDGE, AND MUNICIPAL UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE; AND BY CAPITOL RESOURCES, INC., LOCATED IN BROOKLYN, IOWA; AND BY NICOLE SCHLINGER AND ERIC LANGE INDIVIDUALLY, FUND-RAISING AND COMMUNICATION SERVICES FOR MAJOR CAMPAIGNS SINCE 1996.

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