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Bruce Braley & Mike Whalen

posted on September 22, 2006

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Yepsen: THE CAMPAIGN IN IOWA'S FIRST CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT IS DRAWING NATIONAL ATTENTION. IT'S AN OPEN SEAT THAT'S IN THE SPOTLIGHT, AND WE DISCUSS THE RACE WITH THE CANDIDATES, DEMOCRAT BRUCE BRALEY OF WATERLOO AND REPUBLICAN MIKE WHALEN OF BETTENDORF, ON THIS EDITION OF 'IOWA PRESS.'

FUNDING FOR 'IOWA PRESS' WAS PROVIDED BY 'FRIENDS,' THE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION FOUNDATION; AND BY THE IOWA BANKERS ASSOCIATION... FOR PERSONAL, BUSINESS, AND COMMERCIAL NEEDS, IOWA BANKS HELP IOWANS REACH THEIR FINANCIAL GOALS.

ON STATEWIDE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION, THIS IS THE FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 22 EDITION OF 'IOWA PRESS.' HERE IS DAVID YEPSEN.

Yepsen: IT'S 46 DAYS AND COUNTING UNTIL THE GENERAL ELECTION OF NOVEMBER 7. THE CAMPAIGN IS ACCELERATING. ON WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 8, IOWA WILL HAVE AT LEAST ONE NEW CONGRESSMAN HEADING TO WASHINGTON TO REPRESENT THE STATE IN THE U.S. HOUSE, AND IT'S LIKELY HE'S WITH US TODAY. THAT NEWCOMER WILL REPRESENT NORTHEASTERN AND EASTERN IOWA. THE DISTRICT SHOWS A DEMOCRATIC REGISTRATION EDGE, BUT OVER THE YEARS MUCH OF IT HAS SENT REPUBLICANS -- JIM LEACH, TOM TAUKE, AND JIM NUSSLE -- TO THE NATION'S CAPITOL. BETTENDORF BUSINESSMAN MIKE WHALEN IS THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE ON THE BALLOT, HAVING WON THE THREE-WAY PRIMARY RACE IN JUNE. AND WATERLOO ATTORNEY BRUCE BRALEY IS THE DEMOCRAT. MR. BRALEY WAS THE WINNER IN A FOUR-WAY PRIMARY. GENTLEMEN, WELCOME BACK TO IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION. IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

Braley: IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE, DAVID.

Yepsen: ALSO WITH US AT THE 'IOWA PRESS' TABLE ARE: JENEANE BECK, IOWA STATEHOUSE AND POLITICAL REPORTER WITH 'KUNI PUBLIC RADIO,' AND MIKE GLOVER, SENIOR POLITICAL AND LEGISLATIVE REPORTER WITH THE 'ASSOCIATED PRESS.'

Glover: MR. BRALEY, LET'S START THIS OFF WITH YOU. YOU'RE RUNNING FOR CONGRESS IN A DISTRICT THAT VOTER REGISTRATION WOULD TELL US LEANS DEMOCRATIC, BUT IT'S BEEN IN REPUBLICAN HANDS SINCE THE 1970S. WHY ARE YOU THE DEMOCRAT TO TAKE BACK THIS DISTRICT?

Braley: MIKE, I'M THE DEMOCRAT TO TAKE BACK THIS DISTRICT BECAUSE I REPRESENT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS DISTRICT. I WAS BORN IN IOWA. I GREW UP IN IOWA. I GOT ALL OF MY EDUCATION IN IOWA. I GOT MY FIRST JOB WORKING IN IOWA WHEN I WAS IN THE THIRD GRADE, AND I'VE BEEN WORKING EVER SINCE. I GOT MARRIED IN IOWA. I RAISED MY FAMILY IN IOWA, AND I REPRESENT THE IOWA VALUES OF WORKING FAMILIES AND I'M GOING TO GO TO WASHINGTON TO CHANGE THE DIRECTION OF THIS COUNTRY AND BE A STRONG VOICE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT I GREW UP WITH.

Glover: MR. WHALEN, TO YOU, YOU'VE BEEN A VERY SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSMAN, MADE A LOT OF MONEY. IN WHAT WAY DOES THAT PREPARE YOU TO BE IN CONGRESS?

Whalen: , WELL, I'VE BEEN EATING THE COOKING THAT WASHINGTON HAS BEEN SERVING FOR 28 YEARS. AND I THINK THAT IF YOU HAVE CREATED JOBS, I THINK THAT HELPS YOU KNOWING HOW GOVERNMENT CAN BE INVOLVED IN THAT JOB CREATION. I WENT THROUGH ROUND ONE OF THE GLOBAL FIGHT FOR JOBS IN THE EARLY '80S. I SAW WHAT IT DID TO EASTERN IOWA AND IOWA IN GENERAL. I SAW HOW WE CLAWED BACK, AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT IN THE 21ST CENTURY, WE WIN ROUND TWO OF THE GLOBAL FIGHT FOR JOBS.

Beck: YOU KNOW, HE MENTIONED THAT YOU'RE IN A DISTRICT THAT HAS MORE DEMOCRATS REGISTERED THAN REPUBLICANS. SO WHY YOU OVER MR. BRALEY? WHY DO YOU SAY 'SEND ME TO WASHINGTON INSTEAD OF MY OPPONENT'?

Whalen: WELL, I DON'T THINK IT'S ABOUT PARTY REGISTRATION. I THINK IT'S ABOUT VISION. AND WHAT I'VE SAID IS THAT WE NEED TO WIN THE THE GLOBAL FIGHT FOR JOBS AND WE NEED TO WIN THE GLOBAL FIGHT AGAINST TERRORISM. AND THOSE ARE TWO THINGS THAT I'M COMMITTED TO WINNING. AND I THINK WHEN THE VOTERS CHOOSE, I THINK THAT THEY'LL SAY, 'I'M NOT NECESSARILY DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN, HERE'S THE VISION I WANT.'

Beck: THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU. YOU TALKED ABOUT GROWING UP IN IOWA. WHY IS THAT ENOUGH? WHY YOU OVER HIM?

Braley: BECAUSE, JENEANE, I'VE SPENT MY TIME HELPING AND FIGHTING FOR WORKING FAMILIES ALL MY LIFE. I'VE HAD THE EXPERIENCE OF APPLYING FOR A LOT OF JOBS AS AN ADULT. MIKE SAID AT THE REPUBLICAN STATE CONVENTION HE'D NEVER APPLIED FOR A JOB AS AN ADULT, AND THIS RUN FOR CONGRESS WAS HIS FIRST JOB APPLICATION AND HE WANTS PEOPLE TO HIRE MIKE. I DON'T NEED THE ON-THE-JOB TRAINING. I'VE WORKED EVERY JOB YOU CAN IMAGINE TO HELP PUT MYSELF THROUGH COLLEGE, AND I'M THE TYPE OF PERSON WHO CAN RELATE TO THE NEEDS OF AVERAGE IOWANS IN THIS DISTRICT WHO NEED SOMEONE IN WASHINGTON FIGHTING TO BE THEIR CHAMPION. THAT'S WHAT I'LL DO.

Glover: MR. WHALEN, POLLS WILL TELL US THAT PRESIDENT BUSH'S APPROVAL RATINGS ARE NOT THAT GREAT.

Whalen: RIGHT.

Glover: THE APPROVAL RATINGS FOR A REPUBLICAN-RUN CONGRESS ARE NOT THAT GREAT. DEMOCRATS SAY THIS IS GOING TO BE A GOOD YEAR FOR DEMOCRATS BECAUSE OF THOSE POLLING NUMBERS. GIVE US YOUR ASSESSMENT OF THE CLIMATE OUT THERE.

Whalen: WELL, I THINK THAT AS MUCH AS THE DEMOCRATS WOULD LIKE TO NATIONALIZE THE ELECTION, I THINK IT COMES DOWN TO BETWEEN TWO CANDIDATES. I'M A PRO-GROWTH ENTREPRENEUR WHO'S SPENT MY LIFE DOING THINGS. I THINK THAT YOU HAVE A VERY SHARP CONTRAST WITH MY OPPONENT HERE. SO I THINK WHEN PEOPLE GO INTO THAT BOOTH, THEY DON'T VOTE ON A NATIONAL REFERENDUM. I THINK THEY LOOK AT TWO PEOPLE AND THEY SAY HERE'S THE PERSON WHO WE WANT TO HAVE REPRESENT US.

Glover: MR. BRALEY, TO FLIP THE COIN OVER A LITTLE BIT, WHAT REPUBLICANS WILL TELL YOU IS THAT BUSH'S NUMBERS HAVE RECOVERED A LITTLE BIT, THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY THAT VOTERS WILL REGIONALIZE ELECTIONS AND VOTE ON A LOCAL BASIS. GIVE US YOUR SENSE OF WHAT YOU HEAR OUT THERE. WHAT'S THE CLIMATE?

Braley: WELL, THE CLIMATE IS PEOPLE WANT CHANGE, MIKE, PURE AND SIMPLE. AND WHEN YOU BRING IN KARL ROVE AS THE FIRST PERSON TO CAMPAIGN FOR YOU, AS MIKE WHALEN DID IN THIS GENERAL ELECTION, IT SENDS THE MESSAGE THAT YOU'RE JUST GOING TO BE A RUBBER STAMP FOR THE FAILED POLICIES OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION. THEN YOU BRING VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY AND A STRING OF OTHER CANDIDATES WHO FOLLOW THE PARTY LINE, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT THE VOTERS TELL ME THEY WANT. THEY WANT SOMEONE WHO'S GOING TO BE INDEPENDENT, WILLING TO WORK IN A BIPARTISAN FASHION TO SOLVE PROBLEMS. THAT'S WHY VOTERS SEND SOMEBODY TO CONGRESS, TO SOLVE PROBLEMS. INSTEAD OF GETTING INVOLVED IN PARTISAN BICKERING, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET WITH ME IS A PROVEN LEADER WHO HAS EXPERIENCE WORKING ON IMPORTANT LEGISLATIVE ISSUES IN IOWA ON A BIPARTISAN FASHION TO SOLVE PROBLEMS.

Glover: MR. WHALEN, DO YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT?

Whalen: WHY WOULD VOTERS SELECT ME?

Glover: NO, HIS CHARGE THAT YOU'RE MERELY ANOTHER TOOL OF THE NATIONAL REPUBLICAN PARTY.

Whalen: WELL, I MEAN THAT'S THE NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC PARTY RAP. BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, FOLKS HAVE KNOWN ME FOR 28 YEARS WHEN I STARTED WITH A LITTLE 100-SEAT RESTAURANT AND BUILT A COMPANY THROUGH SOME REALLY TOUGH TIMES IN IOWA IN THE EARLY '80S. WHEN I WATCHED FRIENDS AND MY OWN FAMILY -- MY OWN FATHER BEING TAKEN DOWN BY THAT DEPRESSION IN THE EARLY '80S. I DON'T THINK THAT PEOPLE THAT KNOW ME AND WATCHED ME DO THAT THINK THAT I'VE EVER BEEN A RUBBER STAMP OR A ROLLOVER FOR ANYBODY. I'VE BEEN AN INDEPENDENT VOICE. THAT'S WHY I'M RUNNING, TO BE AN INDEPENDENT VOICE. I DON'T NEED A JOB. I WANT TO GO OUT TO GET A JOB DONE.

Glover: WILL PRESIDENT BUSH BE HELPFUL IF HE VISITED YOUR DISTRICT?

Whalen: I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN I'D CERTAINLY BE HONORED TO HAVE THE PRESIDENT COME. I'VE BE HONORED TO HAVE A PRESIDENT COME TO IOWA REGARDLESS OF THE PARTY.

Yepsen: GENTLEMEN, I WANT TO TURN TO THE ISSUES IN THIS CAMPAIGN. MR. BRALEY, I'LL START WITH YOU. IRAQ, WHAT SHOULD WE DO ABOUT IRAQ?

Braley: WELL, CONGRESS SET THE DIRECTION FOR IRAQ IN 2005 WHEN THEY PASSED THE UNITED STATES AND IRAQ ACT AND SAID THAT 2006, DAVID, WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A YEAR OF TRANSITION WHEN WE TURNED OVER THE FIGHTING TO THE IRAQI SECURITY FORCES AND REDEPLOYED OUR TROOPS OUTSIDE OF IRAQ. THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND INSTEAD WHAT WE HAVE IS WE SEE THAT OUR TROOPS ARE BOGGED DOWN EVEN MORE IN IRAQ. THE SECURITY FORCES WE HAVE TRAINED WITH BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS ARE NOW USING THE TRAINING AND THE WEAPONS WE GAVE THEM TO KILL EACH OTHER.

Yepsen: SO WHAT DO WE DO?

Braley: WE HAVE TO SET A TIME FRAME FOR TURNING OVER THE FIGHTING TO THE IRAQIS AND STARTING TO REDEPLOY OUR TROOPS. AND WHEN I GET TO CONGRESS IN 2007, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M GOING TO PUSH FOR. YOU LOOK AT OUR CURRENT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, DONALD RUMSFELD. IN NOVEMBER OF 2002 HE SAID, 'I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL BE FIGHTING IN IRAQ FOR FIVE DAYS OR FIVE WEEKS OR FIVE MONTHS, BUT IT WON'T BE ANY LONGER THAN THAT,' IN NOVEMBER OF 2002. WHEN WE GO INTO THE VOTING BOOTH IN NOVEMBER OF 2006, VOTERS NEED TO HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT FAILED PROMISE.

Yepsen: MR. WHALEN, SAME QUESTION FOR YOU. WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IRAQ?

Whalen: WELL, WHAT I THINK WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS STAY THE COURSE AND, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S A TOUGH SITUATION. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION THAN WHETHER IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO GO IN OR NOT. BUT I THINK THAT ONCE WE'RE HERE, I THINK THAT PEOPLE REALIZE THAT IF WE IMMEDIATELY DEFUND THE TROOPS AS MR. BRALEY SUGGESTED LAST TIME HE WAS HERE, I GUESS TAKE THEIR BULLETS AND THEIR BODY ARMOR AWAY AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND FORCE THEM TO COME HOME, I THINK YOU'D HAVE CHAOS THERE. IRAN WOULD IMMEDIATELY GO INTO THE VACUUM. I THINK YOU'D HAVE A PAN-ISLAMIC CRESCENT THERE THAT WOULD CREATE EVEN MORE PROBLEMS. SO THE LAST THING YOU NEED TO DO IS TELL THE INSURGENTS WHEN EXACTLY WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE.

Yepsen: MR. BRALEY, I WANT TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO RESPOND.

Braley: WELL, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. IT'S A FALSE CHARACTERIZATION OF WHAT I SAID RIGHT HERE IN THIS ROOM, DAVID. WHAT I DID WAS I HAD THE COURAGE TO COME IN HERE AND TELL THE VOTERS THAT I WOULD CONSIDER AS A LAST RESORT DOING THE EXACT SAME THING THAT JIM NUSSLE, JIM LEACH, TOM LATHAM, AND GREG GANSKE DID WHEN THEY VOTED TO CUT OFF FUNDING TO THE WAR IN KOSOVO TO SEND A MESSAGE TO A DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT CLINTON. THAT'S WHAT YOU DO IN CONGRESS WHEN YOU HOLD THE POWER OF THE PURSE AND THE PRESIDENT IS NOT FOLLOWING THE WISHES OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. I HAD THE COURAGE TO DO THAT, AND I THINK THE QUESTION IS WHY MIKE WHALEN DOESN'T HAVE THE COURAGE TO DO THE SAME THING.

Yepsen: MR. WHALEN, WHEN YOU SAY STAY THE COURSE, WHAT IS THE COURSE?

Whalen: WELL, THE COURSE RIGHT NOW IS TO TRY TO CREATE A STABLE DEMOCRATIC IRAQ. AND I THINK THAT YOU HAD THREE FACTIONS THERE THAT WERE REALLY NOT ALLOWED TO DEAL WITH EACH OTHER IN AN OPEN AND DIRECT WAY AND NOW THEY'RE HAVING TO AND I THINK THEY'RE COMING AROUND TO THAT.

Beck: WHAT PART OF STAYING THE COURSE MAY INCLUDE MORE U.S. NATIONAL GUARD OR IOWA NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS? I MEAN THE U.S. ARMY IS SAYING THEY MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT MORE CALL-UPS OF GUARD TROOPS TO STAY OVER THERE. YOU KNOW, IN IOWA WHEN DOES THAT BECOME UNPOPULAR? THIS IS A STATE WHO HAS FROM TIME TO TIME LED IN PER CAPITA GUARD TROOPS SERVING OVERSEAS.

Whalen: WELL, I DON'T THINK IT'S A POPULAR WAR. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT IT'S POPULAR I THINK, THOUGH, THAT TO TRY TO SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO ANNOUNCE A TIMETABLE TO AL QUAEDA SO THAT THEY CAN HUNKER DOWN AND WAIT FOR THAT TIME IS JUST A BAD STRATEGIC IDEA. AND SO I THINK THAT -- I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A POPULAR COURSE. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NECESSARILY GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD WANT, BUT I THINK IT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT REALLY IS VIABLE AT THIS TIME.

Beck: MR. BRALEY, WE RECENTLY CELEBRATED THE FIFTH ANNIVERSARY OF 9/11. ARE WE SAFER THAN WE WERE FIVE YEARS AGO?

Braley: NO, WE'RE NOT, JENEANE, AND THE REASON WE'RE NOT SAFER IS BECAUSE A REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED CONGRESS AND A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT HAVE FAILED TO IMPLEMENT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE BIPARTISAN 9/11 COMMISSION. AND IT WAS A DAMNING REPORT OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE SINCE 9/11 TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY SAFER. A HISTORY OF FAILED GRADES ON ALL THESE IMPORTANT NATIONAL SECURITY MEASURES THAT HAS BEEN HANDED DOWN BY A BIPARTISAN GROUP THAT LOOKED INTO THE UNDERLYING CAUSES OF 9/11 AND TOLD US WE ARE NOT DOING ENOUGH TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY SAFE.

Beck: SO WHAT DO YOU DO? WHAT ON THAT LIST NEEDS TO BE DONE?

Braley: I'LL TELL YOU WHAT WILL HAPPEN. IF YOU SEND ME TO CONGRESS AND WE HAVE A DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY IN 2007, IN THE FIRST 100 DAYS OF CONGRESS WE WILL PASS THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND TAKE ACTIONS TO IMPLEMENT THEM AND SEND IT OVER TO THE UNITED STATES SENATE.

Beck: MR. WHALEN, ARE WE SAFER THAN WE WERE FIVE YEARS AGO? WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANOTHER ATTACK OF THAT SCALE.

Whalen: ABSOLUTELY WE'RE SAFER. I MEAN -- I THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD SIT THERE AND SAY IF YOU WOULD HAVE SAID ON 9/12 DO YOU EXPECT NO MAJOR TERRORIST INCIDENTS IN THIS COUNTRY FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, MOST PEOPLE WOULD HAVE SAID NO. PEOPLE WERE VERY SCARED ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD A MAJOR INCIDENT, THAT WE'VE THWARTED MANY, MANY POTENTIAL INCIDENTS, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE MADE TREMENDOUS PROGRESS. NOW, I'VE READ BRIEFLY THAT REPORT AND THERE'S ALWAYS SOME THINGS YOU CAN DO: STRENGTHEN THE PORTS, STRENGTHEN MASS TRANSIT. BUT TO ACT THAT WE ARE NOT IN A SAFER POSITION THAN FIVE YEARS AGO JUST IGNORES THE RECORD.

Glover: MR. BRALEY, LET'S TURN TO ANOTHER TOPIC THAT'S BEEN A HOT ISSUE IN THIS ELECTION YEAR, AND THAT'S IMMIGRATION.

Braley: SURE.

Glover: WHAT SHOULD THE CONGRESS DO ON IMMIGRATION? IT APPEARS AT THIS POINT CONGRESS IS UNABLE TO ACT ON THE ISSUE.

Braley: THAT'S THE PROBLEM, MIKE. THE REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED CONGRESS HAS BEEN FACED WITH THIS CHALLENGE FOR YEARS AND HAS DONE NOTHING. UNDER A REPUBLIC LED ADMINISTRATION OF GEORGE BUSH, THE NUMBER OF FINES THAT HAVE BEEN LEVIED AGAINST EMPLOYERS FOR HIRING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS HAS PLUMMETED, AND ONLY THREE COMPANIES WERE FINED LAST YEAR. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BEING TOUGH ON IMMIGRATION AND ENFORCING THE LAW, THE BUCK STOPS AT THE WHITE HOUSE. WHAT CONGRESS NEEDS TO DO IS PASS MEANINGFUL IMMIGRATION REFORM AND MAKE SURE THAT INCLUDES COMPREHENSIVE MEASURES TO SECURE OUR BORDERS, PROVIDE GREATER FUNDING FOR THOSE BORDER AGENTS TO DO THEIR JOB, TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING TO THIS COUNTRY ARE COMING HERE LEGALLY, AND THEN DEAL WITH THE ONES THAT ARE HERE IN A MEANINGFUL WAY SO THAT THEY HAVE TOUGH CONSEQUENCES FOR BEING HERE ILLEGALLY, AND THAT WE FIGURE OUT WAYS TO GET THEM INTO THIS COUNTRY THROUGH A LEGAL PATHWAY THAT'S GOING TO BE HARSH AND LENGTHY AND PAY A PRICE FOR WHAT THEY'VE DONE.

Yepsen: THAT SOUNDS LIKE YOU AGREE WITH THE PRESIDENT; IS THAT CORRECT?

Braley: I AGREE WITH THE PRESIDENT THAT WE CANNOT DEPORT ALL THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD TO ADD ANOTHER $200 BILLION TO THE DEFICIT.

Glover: DO WE NEED A FENCE ALONG THE SOUTHERN BORDER?

Braley: WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN THE FENCES WE ALREADY HAVE, BUT A FENCE IS NOT THE SOLUTION, BECAUSE THE NATIONAL SECURITY PROBLEMS THAT THE REPUBLICANS KEEP TALKING ABOUT IN SECURING OUR BORDERS, THEY KEEP FORGETTING THAT THOSE TERRORISTS CAME IN THROUGH CANADA, NOT THROUGH MEXICO.

Glover: MR. WHALEN, THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU. WHAT SHOULD CONGRESS DO ABOUT IMMIGRATION, AND WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THOSE WHO SAY THIS REPUBLICAN CONGRESS SIMPLY CAN'T DEAL WITH THE ISSUE?

Whalen: WELL, I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT IT HASN'T. WHAT I'VE SAID ALL ALONG IS THIS: WHEN YOU HAVE A HEMORRHAGING PATIENT AND YOU TAKE THEM INTO THE EMERGENCY ROOM, THE FIRST THING YOU DO IS YOU STOP THE FLOW AND THEN YOU STABILIZE THE PATIENT. THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO IS STOP THE JOBS TO STOP THE FLOW. AND WHAT I'VE SAID IS THIS: IF PEOPLE KNEW THEY COULDN'T GET A JOB IN THIS COUNTRY WITH A FAKE SET OF DOCUMENTS -- AND YOU CAN BUY IN DES MOINES, I'M TOLD, FOR ABOUT 125 BUCKS -- AND YOU HAD A REAL PREEMPLOYMENT DOCUMENT VERIFICATION SYSTEM IN THIS COUNTRY, YOU WOULD STOP THE JOBS. THE HEAD OF THE BORDER AGENCY ACTUALLY SAID -- AGREED WITH ME, HE SAID DON'T GIVE US MORE AGENTS AND EXPECT US TO FIX THIS PROBLEM UNTIL YOU HAVE A PREEMPLOYMENT DOCUMENT SYSTEM. WE NEED TO HAVE THAT. WE COULD DO IT IN SIX MONTHS. I'M NOT SURE WHY WE HAVEN'T.

Glover: MR. BRALEY SAID HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CRACKDOWN BE TOUGHER ON EMPLOYERS WHO HIRE ILLEGAL ALIENS.

Whalen: MM-HMM.

Glover: YOU'RE A BIG EMPLOYER. WHAT DO YOU DO TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT HIRING ILLEGAL ALIENS?

Whalen: WELL, WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. WE COMPLY WITH THE I-9. WE PHOTOCOPY ALL THE DOCUMENTS. WE DO A REVIEW OF THOSE DOCUMENTS. BUT THE FACT IS THAT YOU CAN'T VERIFY, JUST AS YOU CAN WITH YOUR IOWA DRIVER'S LICENSE OR ANY VISA CARD AT ANY SMALL GIFT SHOP IN THIS STATE, YOU CAN'T VERIFY THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU'RE REQUIRED TO ACCEPT. IT'S A CRAZY SYSTEM. AND I KNOW THAT MOST EMPLOYERS ARE SICK AND TIRED OF IT BECAUSE THEY'RE -- THEY KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO TAKE THESE DOCUMENTS OR THE GOVERNMENT MAY BE CLAIMING THAT THEY'RE VIOLATING CIVIL RIGHTS.

Glover: SO YOU CAN'T BE HELD RESPONSIBLE IF YOU HAVE AN ILLEGAL ALIEN BECAUSE OF THE DOCUMENTATION PROBLEM?

Whalen: NO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF YOU'VE GOT DOCUMENTS THAT ARE ON THEIR FACE LEGITIMATE, YOU CAN'T HOLD AN EMPLOYER LIABLE IN THAT SITUATION UNTIL YOU HAVE A SITUATION THAT ALLOWS THEM TO VERIFY THEM. AND WE CAN SET THAT UP.

Yepsen: WHAT ABOUT THAT QUESTION OF BUILDING A BORDER FENCE?

Whalen: WELL, I THINK -- AS I SAY, I THINK WE HAVE TO STOP THE JOBS FIRST.

Yepsen: WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE FENCE?

Whalen: WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN THE BORDER, AND I THINK THERE'S SOME PARTS WE'VE ALREADY BUILT A FENCE. AND I THINK IT'S PARTICULARLY IN THE MORE HEAVILY ORGANIZED AREAS WE HAVE TO EXTEND THOSE FENCES, ABSOLUTELY.

Beck: MR. BRALEY, IS IT TIME TO RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE?

Braley: ABSOLUTELY, JENEANE. IT IS A TRAVESTY THAT CONGRESS HAS RAISED ITS SALARIES EIGHT TIMES SINCE MINIMUM WAGE WAS LAST INCREASED. AND I HAVE MADE A PLEDGE TO THE VOTERS IN THIS DISTRICT, I WILL NOT ACCEPT A CONGRESSIONAL PAY RAISE UNTIL CONGRESS PASSES THE MINIMUM WAGE BILL THAT'S CURRENTLY PENDING WITHOUT ANY STRINGS ATTACHED AND GIVES WORKING FAMILIES IN IOWA THE RELIEF THAT THEY NEED. CONTRARY TO THE CURRENT CONGRESSMAN WHO REPRESENTS THIS DISTRICT WHO SAYS THAT THERE ARE NO PEOPLE WHO DEPEND ON MINIMUM WAGE TO FEED THEIR FAMILIES IN HIS DISTRICT, WE KNOW THAT THOUSANDS OF IOWA FAMILIES IN THE IOWA'S FIRST DISTRICT WOULD SEE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THEIR INCOME IF THE MINIMUM WAGE WAS INCREASED. NOW, ON THE CONTRAST, MY OPPONENT CAME ON THIS SHOW AND SAID THAT HE OPPOSED INCREASING THE MINIMUM WAGE BECAUSE HE DIDN'T SEE THE POSITIVE BENEFITS IT WOULD BRING. WELL, I'VE SEEN THOSE POSITIVE BENEFITS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN A MINIMUM WAGE WORKER IN THE PAST. I KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO THE PEOPLE WHO DEPEND UPON MINIMUM WAGE, AND THAT'S WHY I'M COMMITTED TO RAISING IT.

Beck: MR. WHALEN, DO YOU STILL OPPOSE RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE?

Whalen: WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY MR. BRALEY HAS RUN ADS ARGUING THAT -- IMPLYING THAT I'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE I PAY PEOPLE THE MINIMUM WAGE. AND I WANT TO JUST GO ON RECORD THAT THERE'S NOT ONE PERSON COMPENSATED IN HEART OF AMERICA -- COMPENSATED IN HEART OF AMERICA AT THE FEDERAL MINIMUM WAGE. IF MR. BRALEY GOT OUT OF THE COURTROOM AND INTO THE DINING ROOM AND WENT OUT AND TALKED TO EMPLOYERS IN DES MOINES, HE WOULD KNOW THAT THE PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE IS NOT CREATING MINIMUM WAGE JOBS IN DES MOINES, BUT A WORK FORCE DEVELOPMENT TASK FORCE JUST SAID WE'RE GOING TO BE A 150,000 WORKERS SHORT FOR KEY HIGH-PAYING JOBS IN THIS STATE IN THE NEXT FIVE, SIX YEARS. THE CHALLENGE IS NOT CREATING MINIMUM WAGE JOBS, BUT EVEN MORE HIGH PAYING JOBS.

Beck: WELL, WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THOSE HIGHER PAYING JOBS. THERE IS A BELIEF, AT LEAST AMONG DEMOCRATS, THAT IF YOU RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE, YOU -- ALL BOATS RISE WITH THE RISING TIDE. DO YOU NOT AGREE WITH THAT?

Whalen: WELL, I THINK WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU'VE BEEN AN EMPLOYER AND YOU'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS, YOU'D KNOW THE REALITY. YES, IT DOES TRICKLE UP. WHAT HAPPENS IS IT DOES GET TRANSLATED INTO PRICES. AND MOST ECONOMISTS WOULD AGREE THAT AN ARTIFICIAL MANDATE, A WAGE RIPPLE LIKE THAT USUALLY GETS CANCELED OUT IN PRICE INFLATION. THE BEST WAY TO CREATE HIGHER PAYING JOBS IS LIKE HERE IN DES MOINES. THE REAL MINIMUM WAGE ON THE STREET IS PROBABLY $7.50 OR $8, AND THAT'S BEEN BECAUSE WE'VE CREATED GOOD JOBS HERE IN CENTRAL IOWA.

Glover: JUST FOR THE RECORD, YOU OPPOSE INCREASING THE MINIMUM WAGE?

Whalen: NO, WHAT I SAID IS THAT I DON'T THINK THAT ON A STAND-ALONE BASIS I WOULDN'T VOTE FOR IT, BUT I WOULD HAVE SUPPORTED THE HOUSE BILL THAT RECENTLY INCREASED IT BUT COUPLED IT WITH SOME SMALL BUSINESS INCENTIVES.

Glover: BUT A STRAIGHT VOTE ON JUST INCREASING THE MINIMUM WAGE, YOU'D BE NO?

Whalen: NO, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO CREATE JOBS.

Yepsen: MR. BRALEY, WHAT ABOUT THAT QUESTION OF THE HOUSE BILL THAT HAD INCENTIVES FOR BUSINESS AS PART OF A DEAL?

Braley: WELL, IT'S A CLASSICAL REPUBLICAN RESPONSE TO DEALING WITH A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE, DAVID, BECAUSE WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO WAS GIVE A TAX BREAK TO THE WEALTHIEST ONE PERCENT OF AMERICANS WOULD WHO WOULD BENEFIT FROM REPEAL -- COMPLETE REPEAL OF THE ESTATE TAX AND IMPOSE ANOTHER $750 BILLION BURDEN ON AMERICAN TAXPAYERS IN EXCHANGE FOR RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE FOR THOSE THOUSANDS OF WORKERS IN THIS COUNTRY WHO ARE STRUGGLING TO MAKE ENDS MEET. AND TO GO BACK TO WHAT MR. WHALEN SAID, WE GOT A CALL, MY CAMPAIGN THIS WEEK, FROM ONE OF HIS EMPLOYEES AT THE MACHINE SHED IN DAVENPORT WHO HAS SEEN HIS ADS ATTACKING ME ON TELEVISION, AND GOT A ROBO-CALL FROM HIM. AND SHE WAS UPSET BECAUSE SHE SAID SHE MAKES $3.09 AN HOUR PLUS TIPS WORKING AT HIS RESTAURANT AND BARELY MAKES MINIMUM WAGE.

Yepsen: MR. WHALEN, DO YOU CARE TO RESPOND?

Braley: I THINK WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHETHER SHE'S TELLING THE TRUTH OR HE IS.

Yepsen: I'D LIKE MR. WHALEN TO HAVE A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO THAT.

Whalen: WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHERE MR. BRALEY HAS FOUND THIS PERSON, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT OUR TIPPED EMPLOYEES DO VERY WELL AND MAKE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY. IN MANY CASES IT'S JUST NOT TRUE. AND AGAIN, IF YOU'D GET OUT OF THE COURTROOM AND INTO DINING ROOM, I'D INVITE YOU IN TO TALK TO THEM.

Yepsen: MR. BRALEY, YOU RAISED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE ESTATE TAX. DO YOU FAVOR OR OPPOSE REPEALING THE ESTATE TAX?

Braley: I OPPOSE THE COMPLETE REPEAL OF THE ESTATE TAX BECAUSE OF THE TREMENDOUS FINANCIAL BURDEN, BUT I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THE PENDING BILL THAT THE DEMOCRATS HAVE OFFERED TO INCREASE THE LIMITS ON THE ESTATE TAX IN A WAY THAT WOULD PREVENT 99.7 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY FROM HAVING TO PAY IT, DAVID.

Yepsen: MR. WHALEN, QUICKLY, DO YOU FAVOR REPEALING THE ESTATE TAX?

Whalen: NO TAXATION WITHOUT RESPIRATION. I'VE SEEN GOOD BUSINESSES HERE IN IOWA THAT BY MAYBE MR. BRALEY'S ARE STANDARDS LARGE BUSINESSES BUT BY INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS ARE SMALL BUSINESSES WHO WERE FORCED TO SELL OUT TO MULTINATIONAL COMPANIES OR LARGE NATIONAL COMPANIES IN LARGE PART BECAUSE THEY NEED TO PREPARE FOR THE DEATH TAX. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE STOPPED FOR IOWA.

Glover: MR. BRALEY, ONE OF THE HOTTEST ISSUES IN THIS CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN WHAT TO DO WITH THE NATION'S SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM.

Braley: YES.

Glover: OUTLINE THE DIFFERENCES YOU HAVE WITH MR. WHALEN.

Braley: WELL, THE BIG DIFFERENCE IS THAT MY OPPONENT FAVORS A PRIVATIZATION SCHEME THAT WOULD DIVERT MUCH NEEDED REVENUE FROM THE SOCIAL SECURITY TRUST FUND AND PUT IT INTO PERSONAL RETIREMENT ACCOUNTS. I HAVE OPPOSED THAT PRIVATIZATION SCHEME BECAUSE IT'S RISKY AND THE SHORT-TERM COSTS WILL ADD TWO TRILLION DOLLARS TO THE NATIONAL DEBT. WE KNOW RIGHT NOW, MIKE, THAT IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE SOCIAL SECURITY TRUSTEES HAVE FORECAST UNDER THEIR INTERMEDIATE SCENARIO, SOCIAL SECURITY TRUST FUND IS HEALTHIER THAN IT'S EVER BEEN IN HISTORY. AND IT'S FORECAST TO INCREASE OVER THE NEXT TWENTY YEARS BEFORE STARTING TO DECLINE AS BABY BOOMERS OUR AGE START TO DRAW ON SOCIAL SECURITY. BUT UNDER THEIR LOW COST FORECAST, ONE OF THE THREE FORECASTS THEY'RE REQUIRED TO MAKE, THAT FUND WILL REMAIN SOLVENT FOR THE NEXT 75 YEARS AND BEYOND. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO IS UNDERSTAND THAT THE FEAR TACTICS USED BY PRESIDENT BUSH ARE NOT GOING TO BE WHAT SETS THE SOCIAL SECURITY POLICY OF THIS COUNTRY. HE CAMPAIGNED FOR CONGRESS IN 1976 AND SAID WE NEEDED TO PRIVATIZE THE TRUST FUND THEN, AND IF WE DIDN'T, IT WOULD BE BANKRUPT BY 1988. THAT WAS WRONG AND THAT'S WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS FAILED REPUBLICAN POLICY.

Glover: DOES ANYTHING NEED TO BE DONE RIGHT NOW?

Braley: YES, WE NEED TO MAKE SOME MODEST ADJUSTMENTS TO MAKE SURE, AFTER WE UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS GOING TO BE THERE TO PROTECT GUARANTEED PAYMENTS TO IOWA SENIORS AND PEOPLE ON DISABILITIES WHO DEPEND ON THAT TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR FAMILIES.

Glover: MR. WHALEN, YOU WERE ACTIVE IN PRESIDENT BUSH'S DRIVE TO REVAMP THE SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM. HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO WHAT HE SAID?

Whalen: WELL, WHEN I HEAR MODEST ADJUSTMENTS FROM MR. BRALEY, I HEAR TAX INCREASES AND BENEFIT CUTS. AND THEY HAVE THE TINKER-TINKER IDEA THAT IF YOU JUST DO A LITTLE BIT OF TAXES HERE AND A LITTLE MORE BENEFIT CUTS EVERY YEAR, PEOPLE WON'T NOTICE THAT THEIR COINS ARE GETTING LITTLER. WHAT I'VE SAID IS THAT WE HAVE A WONDERFUL WORKING MODEL. THE THRIFT SAVINGS PLAN THAT THE FEDERAL EMPLOYEES HAVE BEEN IN -- MILLIONS OF FEDERAL EMPLOYEES HAVE BEEN IN FOR OVER A QUARTER OF A CENTURY, WE HAVE A SUCCESSFUL MODEL RIGHT THERE THAT WE CAN EMULATE FOR YOUNG WORKERS. KEEP THE OLDER FOLKS IN THE CURRENT SYSTEM BUT ALLOW YOUNGER WORKERS TO TRANSITION, BECAUSE MY 77 MILLION BABY BOOMERS, WHEN WE HIT THAT PAYOUT WINDOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE INCREASING TROUBLE EVERY YEAR.

Glover: SO YOU TAKE PRESIDENT BUSH'S POSITION ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH THE SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM?

Whalen: NO, THE PRESIDENT AND I DISAGREE ON THAT I THINK PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY. THE THRIFT SAVINGS PLAN WOULDN'T PRIVATIZE IT. IT WOULD BE A GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHTED -- AN ACCOUNT, BUT YOU'D HAVE A REAL ACCOUNT. IT WOULDN'T BE A FAKE ACCOUNT LIKE THE ONES THAT YOU GET TODAY IN THE MAIL. JUST LIKE THREE AND A HALF MILLION FEDERAL EMPLOYEES HAVE HAD FOR A QUARTER OF A CENTURY, IT'S WORKED. WE HAVE A MODEL.

Beck: MR. WHALEN, YOU TALKED EARLIER ABOUT HIGH PAYING JOBS. ONE OF THE SECTORS OF THE ECONOMY WE'VE SEEN FAULTER AT LEAST IN THE FIRST DISTRICT HAS BEEN MANUFACTURING. ARE THOSE JOBS JUST LOST TO AMERICA FOR GOOD, OR WHAT CAN A CONGRESSMAN FROM THAT DISTRICT DO TO BRING JOBS BACK?

Whalen: WELL, THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT WE CAN DO, IF YOU NOTICE THAT IN OUR GDP, ACTUALLY THE PERCENTAGE AND THE ABSOLUTE AMOUNT OF MANUFACTURING WE'RE DOING IS GROWING. UNFORTUNATELY, FOR JOBS, IT MEANS THAT WE'RE GETTING MORE PRODUCTIVE AND IT TAKES FEWER PEOPLE. I'VE SAID THAT WE NEED TO REVAMP THE TAX CODE. WE COULD HAVE AN EXPLOSION OF NEW INVESTMENT IN MANUFACTURING IN THIS COUNTRY. WHAT IF WE HAD IMMEDIATE DEDUCTIBILITY FOR NEW PLANT AND EQUIPMENT INSTEAD OF THREE OR FIVE OR SEVEN YEARS? WHAT IF INSTEAD OF A LONG DEPRECIATION FOR NEW PLANTS, IF JOHN DEERE WANTS TO BUILD A NEW ONE IN WATERLOO, WE'D HAVE A 5-YEAR DEDUCTIBILITY INSTEAD OF A 15 OR 39.5. IF WE WANT TO MAKE THIS THE PLACE -- THE BEST PLACE IN THE WORLD TO INVEST, THERE'S A REAL SIMPLE WAY TO DO IT.

Beck: MR. BRALEY, MANUFACTURING JOBS, SHOULD WE JUST ACCEPT THAT THOSE HAVE GONE OVERSEAS AND WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT?

Braley: NO, JENEANE, BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH IN IOWA AND ESPECIALLY IN IOWA'S FIRST DISTRICT. WE ARE SITTING ON A GOLD MINE NOW BECAUSE OF THE HUGE POTENTIAL OF RENEWABLE ENERGY AND THE BYPRODUCTS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THAT. SO FOR EXAMPLE, I WENT TO THE WAVERLY MUNICIPAL UTILITIES, WHICH HAS BEEN ONE OF THE LEADING SMALL-TOWN MUNICIPAL UTILITIES IN THE USE OF WIND ENERGY TO CONVERT THEIR CUSTOMERS OVER TO RENEWABLE SOURCE OF ENERGY. THEY'RE ALSO WORKING WITH COMPANIES LIKE CARGILL TO TAKE SOY PRODUCTS AND THE SAME TYPE OF THING WE'RE USING TO MAKE SOY DIESEL TO MAKE LUBRICANTS AND OTHER MANUFACTURED PRODUCTS. AND THE EXAMPLE THEY SHOWED ME WAS AN ELECTRICAL GENERATOR THAT THEY USE IN THEIR UTILITY THAT HAS A SOY BASED LUBRICANT. THEY SAID AT THE USEFUL LIFE OF THAT GENERATOR, WHEN IT'S DONE, YOU CAN CRACK IT OPEN AND POUR IT ON YOUR SALAD BECAUSE THE CONTENTS ARE THAT PURE. SO WE HAVE TO --

Beck: ARE THERE A LOT OF JOBS, THOUGH, WITH THIS?

Braley: YES, THERE ARE BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENING IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH SOY RIGHT NOW IS THE SAME THING WE SAW WITH PLASTICS IN THE '60S, INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITIES TO DIVERSIFY MANUFACTURING. BUT WE IN IOWA HAVE TO BE ON THE CUTTING EDGE OF THAT AND USE THAT EXPLOSION OF TECHNOLOGY AND IDEAS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TAPPING INTO IT TO GIVE MANUFACTURING JOBS A HOME.

Yepsen: WE'VE GOT LESS THAN A MINUTE, MIKE.

Glover: MR. WHALEN, ONE OF THE THINGS THIS CONGRESS WILL DO IS WRITE A NEW FARM BILL. BRIEFLY, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE IN IT, AND ARE WE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION?

Whalen: WELL, I THINK DOHA AND THE COLLAPSE OF DOHA OBVIOUSLY THREW A MONKEY WRENCH INTO THAT WHOLE SYSTEM, SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THE CURRENT FARM BILL EXTENDED TO SEE IF DOHA CAN BE REVIVED. BUT I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A FUNDAMENTAL SHIFT FROM JUST FOOD TO FOOD, FIBER, AND FUELS.

Glover: MR. BRALEY?

Braley: WE HAVE TO RESTORE THE FOCUS OF THE FARM BILL ON GIVING FAMILY FARMERS, LIKE THE ONES MY FAMILY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN FOR 160 YEARS IN IOWA, HOPE AND OPPORTUNITY. AND YOU DO THAT BY NOT THROWING AWAY THE CONSERVATION PROGRAM. YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE STARTING IN AGRICULTURE HAVE A FUTURE AND GIVE THEM THE INCENTIVE AND THE RELIEF THEY NEED TO DO IT.

Yepsen: GENTLEMEN, WE'RE OUT OF TIME. I HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE. THANKS TO YOU BOTH.

Braley: THANK YOU.

Whalen: THANK YOU.

Yepsen: NOW, ON OUR NEXT EDITION OF 'IOWA PRESS,' WE'LL FOCUS ON THE ONGOING DEBATE OVER THE SITING OF HOG LOTS IN IOWA, AN ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE THAT'S ALSO A POLITICALLY CHARGED ONE. JOINING US ARE JEFF VONK, DIRECTOR OF THE IOWA DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES, AND ELDON MCAFEE, A LAWYER FOR THE IOWA PORK PRODUCERS. WE RETURN NEXT WEEKEND AT OUR REGULAR 'IOWA PRESS' AIRTIMES: FRIDAY AT 7:30 AND SUNDAY AT 11:30. I HOPE YOU'LL BE JOINING US. I'M DAVID YEPSEN OF 'THE DES MOINES REGISTER.' THANKS FOR BEING WITH US HERE ON STATEWIDE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION.

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