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Reporters' Roundtable

posted on November 11, 2006

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Borg: VOTERS SPEAK, GOVERNMENT ADJUSTS. ANALYSIS AND POST-ELECTION CONVERSATION WITH IOWA POLITICAL JOURNALISTS ON THIS EDITION OF 'IOWA PRESS.'

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ON STATEWIDE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION, THIS IS THE FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 10 EDITION OF 'IOWA PRESS.' HERE IS DEAN BORG.

Borg: WELL, THE POLITICAL ADS AND TELEPHONE CAMPAIGNING HAVE GIVEN WAY NOW TO ANALYSES AND PROJECTIONS ON WHAT EFFECTS WE CAN EXPECT FROM LAST TUESDAY'S ELECTION RESULTS. PUBLIC POLICY IMPLICATIONS REALLY WON'T BE KNOWN FOR CERTAIN UNTIL THE WINNERS ACTUALLY TAKE THEIR OATHS OF OFFICE AND BEGIN CRAFTING LEGISLATION, CASTING VOTES, AND MAKING EXECUTIVE DECISIONS. BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT TO ANALYZE THE WHYS OF WHAT HAPPENED AND PROJECT THE POSSIBLE IMPLICATIONS. WE'LL GET THOSE COMMENTS FROM 'DES MOINES REGISTER' POLITICAL COLUMNIST DAVID YEPSEN; 'RADIO IOWA' NEWS DIRECTOR KAY HENDERSON; 'ASSOCIATED PRESS' SENIOR POLITICAL WRITER MIKE GLOVER; AND 'IOWA PUBLIC RADIO' STATEHOUSE CORRESPONDENT JENEANE BECK. AND, KAY, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU, FIRST OF ALL, I DIDN'T MENTION TOM VILSACK, BUT I'M GOING TO LEAD OFF WITH A QUESTION ABOUT HIM. HE WAITED TWO DAYS AFTER THE DEMOCRATIC SWEEP AND ANNOUNCED HE'S RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. IS HE -- WAS THAT JUST COINCIDENTAL ON THE TIMING THAT HE HAD PLANNED ALL ALONG, OR IS HE CATCHING THE DEMOCRATIC WAVE?

Henderson: WELL, I HOPE WE DON'T SEE ANY PICTURES OF HIM WIND SURFING LIKE WE SAW WITH KERRY. THIS WAS PLANNED. THIS WAS PURPOSEFUL. I THINK THE THING THAT OCCURRED TO ME WITH THIS ANNOUNCEMENT OF TOM VILSACK, IT'S MUCH DIFFERENT FROM THE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT TOM HARKIN MADE. WHEN TOM HARKIN RAN FOR PRESIDENT IN 1992, IT EFFECTIVELY SHUT DOWN CAMPAIGNING IN IOWA BY DEMOCRATS WHO WERE CONTESTING FOR THE PRESIDENCY. THIS TIME AROUND THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN HERE A LOT, THE DEMOCRATS THAT HE WILL HAVE TO COMPETE WITH, THE JOHN EDWARDS OF THIS WORLD, AND THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP COMING BACK AND COMPETE AGAINST HIM. DAVID'S NEWSPAPER DID A POLL IN JUNE, WHICH SHOWED VILSACK FINISHING FOURTH AMONG 2008 HOPEFULS. THE OTHER THING THAT OCCURRED TO ME THIS MORNING IS THAT VILSACK'S ANSWER TO THAT POLL WAS, 'WELL, I HAVEN'T ASKED IOWANS YET FOR THEIR VOTE FOR PRESIDENT.' SO FOR THE PAST FEW MONTHS HE'S BEEN OUT THERE TALKING TO IOWANS. AND WHAT I'M HEARING FROM IOWANS IS THEY'RE ASKING HIM ABOUT FEDERAL ISSUES. HIS TIME AS GOVERNOR IS OVER, AND PEOPLE ARE CONSIDERING HIM. THEY'RE NOT READY TO VOTE FOR HIM YET, BUT THEY ARE CONSIDERING HIM.

Glover: HE REALLY HAD NO CHOICE, DEAN. HE HAD TO MOVE VERY QUICKLY AFTER THE ELECTION. HE HAD TO MOVE BEFORE ANYBODY ELSE. (A) WE KNOW HIM IN IOWA. HE'S NOT KNOWN VERY WELL OUTSIDE OF IOWA. HE'S BEEN ON THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP COUNCIL, HEAD OF THE DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS, BUT HE'S NOT KNOWN AROUND THE COUNTRY. SO HE HAD TO GET HIS NAME IN THERE EARLY. AND ONE GUY TOLD ME HE'S FROM THE LITTLEST STATE AND A STATE WHERE HE HAS TO DO VERY WELL. THE EXPECTATIONS WILL BE VERY HIGH FOR HIM HERE. HE DOESN'T HAVE TO WIN IOWA; HE HAS TO WIN IOWA BIG. AND HE'S GOING TO HAVE COMPETITION, JUST LIKE KAY SAID. SO THAT'S HIS FIRST CHALLENGE. HE HAD TO SIGNAL NOT JUST TO VOTERS IN OTHER STATES BUT TO VOTERS HERE, 'YES, INDEED I'M RUNNING.'

Beck: AND THIS IS A GOOD TIME FOR HIM TO DO IT, HAVING COME OFF A DEMOCRATIC SWEEP IN WHICH THE DEMOCRATS GAINED -- OR EXCUSE ME, RETAINED THE GOVERNORSHIP AND REGAINED CONTROL OF THE LEGISLATURE. THAT'S A GOOD TIME FOR HIM TO DO IT AND SAY, 'LOOK, MY POLICIES HELPED THEM WIN,' IS WHAT HE'S GOING TO SAY. ALSO, BY BEING FIRST AMONG THE DEMOCRATS TO FILE HIS PAPERS, THAT GIVES HIM A LITTLE NATIONAL ATTENTION THAT, FRANKLY, HE WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN IF HE HAD FILED LATER. SO BEING FIRST AND RIGHT AFTER THAT TIDAL WAVE HELPS HIM.

Yepsen: HE'S THE LONGEST OF LONGSHOTS, DEAN. AND WHEN YOU'RE IN THAT POSITION, YOU CAN'T GET STARTED EARLY ENOUGH. HE REALLY -- MIKE'S RIGHT, HE'S GOT TO WIN IOWA BIG. HE PROBABLY WON'T. HE CAN'T WIN ANYTHING HERE. HE CAN ONLY LOSE SO HE'S GOT TO GET GOING.

Borg: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, KAY, FOR OTHER POTENTIAL DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES SEEKING THE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATION NOW THAT A FAVORITE SON IS IN THE RING?

Henderson: RIGHT. WELL, THE BIG QUESTION NOW IS DOES HILLARY CLINTON, IF INDEED SHE CHOOSES TO RUN, WHICH SHE'LL CHOOSE -- OR MAKE THAT DECISION SOMETIME EARLY NEXT YEAR, IF SHE'LL SKIP IOWA BECAUSE TOM -- I MEAN SHE MIGHT CITE TOM VILSACK CANDIDACY AS ONE OF THE REASONS TO SKIP IOWA.

Yepsen: AND BYPASS IOWA.

Henderson: EXACTLY, WHICH WORKED FOR JOHN MCCAIN SO WELL IN 2000. SO I MEAN THAT'S A POTENTIAL OUT THERE, BUT I THINK THEY'RE ALL GOING TO COME HERE AND CAMPAIGN AND VIGOROUSLY.

Glover: YEAH, I THINK THE IDEA OF SKIPPING IOWA IS NOT ONE THAT THEY'RE CONSIDERING VERY SERIOUSLY AT ALL. AND IF YOU TALK TO THE PEOPLE IN 1992, THEY WILL TELL YOU ONE OF THE BIGGEST MISTAKES THEY MADE WAS SKIPPING IOWA, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, A HILLARY CLINTON, A JOHN EDWARDS, A JOHN KERRY, WE ALL KNOW THAT VILSACK HAS TO WIN AND WIN BIG. I CAN COME OUT HERE AND IF I CAN MAYBE FINISH SECOND, MAYBE I'M THE STORY, AND NOT TOM VILSACK. TOM VILSACK WON AS EXPECTED BUT, GEE, JOHN EDWARDS DID REALLY GOOD. SO A LOT OF THEM ARE LOOKING AT IT THAT WAY: WHAT HAVE I GOT TO LOSE?

Beck: AND IT COULDN'T HURT HILLARY TO COME TO IOWA AND DO WELL IN A STATE THAT ISN'T EXPECTED TO BE SO EMBRACING OF A FEMALE CANDIDATE, WITH THE RURAL BACKGROUND THIS STATE HAS. SHE'S GOT THOSE, YOU KNOW, EAST COAST TIES NOW. IF SHE DID WELL IN IOWA, IT WOULD LOOK GOOD FOR HER.

Borg: KAY, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO EXPECT OUT OF TOM VILSACK NOW? IS HE REALLY A LAME DUCK AS GOVERNOR OR DOES HE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO GOVERN WELL IN ORDER TO DO WELL IN THE CAUCUSES WITH IOWA DEMOCRATS OR DOES HE LOOK MORE PRESIDENTIAL? AS SOMEBODY HAS ALREADY SAID HERE, 'THEY'RE ASKING ME ABOUT NATIONAL ISSUES AND NOT IOWA ISSUES ANYMORE.'

Henderson: WELL, THE TRANSITION HAS ALREADY BEGUN. TOM VILSACK'S DAYS OF ACTUAL GOVERNING ARE LONG DONE. HE WAS A LAME DUCK THIS SUMMER WHEN PEOPLE OF HIS OWN PARTY REPUDIATED HIS MESSAGE AND VOTED TO OVERRIDE HIS VETO. SO HIS LAME-DUCK STATUS HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

Glover: IOWA HAS A GOVERNOR. HIS NAME IS CHET CULVER. HE JUST HASN'T BEEN SWORN IN YET.

Borg: AND LET'S GO TO CHET CULVER, THEN. YOU BROUGHT IT UP. WAS CHET CULVER'S WIN -- I CAN THINK OF TWO THINGS HERE. YES, IT WAS PART OF THE DEMOCRATIC SWEEP. IT WAS MAYBE THREE THINGS. IT WAS SUCCESSFUL IN THAT MAYBE THE CULVER CAMPAIGN TIED HIM CLOSELY TO THE DISLIKE OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION NATIONALLY. OR WAS IT AN AFFIRMATION OF WE'VE DONE WELL IN IOWA WITH A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR? WAS IT AN AFFIRMATION OF THE VILSACK ADMINISTRATION?

Glover: ALL OF THE ABOVE, DEAN. IT WAS AN AFFIRMATION OF THE GENERAL DIRECTION THE STATE WAS HEADED, BECAUSE WE HAD TWO CANDIDATES WHO HAD VERY OPPOSITE MESSAGES: CULVER, WHO WAS 'WE'RE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, I'LL KEEP IT UP'; A JIM NUSSLE WHO SAID, 'WE'RE GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION, AND I'LL CHANGE IT.' AND CULVER WON. AND IT DIDN'T SURPRISE ME SO MUCH THAT HE WON, WHAT SURPRISED ME WAS THE MARGIN OF HIS VICTORY. AN 11-POINT VICTORY IS MUCH BIGGER THAN EITHER OF TOM VILSACK'S VICTORIES. AND I THINK VILSACK'S EIGHT-YEAR TERM AS GOVERNOR HAD ONE EFFECT ON VOTERS THAT PEOPLE DON'T THINK OF VERY OFTEN. PEOPLE ELECTED, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THIRTY YEARS, A DEMOCRAT AS GOVERNOR AND THE STATE DIDN'T FALL APART.

Borg: HOW IMPORTANT IS IT -- JUST TO HARKEN BACK TO THE CAUCUSES, HOW IMPORTANT IS IT FOR IOWA TO HAVE A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR WHEN DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES COME INTO THIS STATE?

Yepsen: IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. I MEAN THEY CAME TO IOWA WHEN TERRY BRANSTAD WAS GOVERNOR. I JUST DON'T THINK IT MAKES ANY DIFFERENCE.

Borg: WAS THE GEOGRAPHIC VOTE ANY SURPRISE TO YOU AT ALL -- KAY, I'LL ASK YOU THAT QUESTION -- IN THE WAY THAT THE VOTES CAME IN FOR CULVER? WERE THERE CERTAIN SECTIONS OF THE STATE THAT WENT FOR CULVER THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ORDINARILY EXPECTED?

Henderson: WELL, NOT TO OVERANALYZE THIS, BUT WHEN I LOOKED AT THE VOTING PICTURE, ONE THING YOU SAW -- THERE WERE TWO THINGS YOU SAW (A) JOHNSON COUNTY, IOWA CITY, HUGE MARGIN FOR DEMOCRATS THERE. DEMOCRATS DID THEIR JOB THERE. THEY GOT THEIR VOTERS TO THE POLL. JOHN KERRY HAD CARRIED THAT COUNTY BY 20,000 VOTES. HE HAD A GREAT MARGIN THERE. THEY WANTED TO DO THAT AGAIN IN 2006, AND THEY DID IT. CONVERSELY IN HEAVILY REPUBLICAN IOWA, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TURNOUT IN SIOUX COUNTY, TURNOUT IN SIOUX COUNTY WAS ABOUT 40 PERCENT. THAT IS BELOW THE STATEWIDE AVERAGE. AND THOSE ARE THE KIND OF REPUBLICAN VOTERS THAT ALWAYS GO TO THE POLLS. THEY DIDN'T GO TO POLLS. THEY WERE NOT MOTIVATED.

Glover: JIM NUSSLE HAD THE WORST OF BOTH WORLDS IN THAT CASE. ONE THE CORE ARGUMENTS FOR HIS CAMPAIGN WAS THAT HE HAD REPRESENTED EASTERN IOWA IN CONGRESS FOR SIXTEEN YEARS SO, THEREFORE, HE COULD GET ELECTED IN A REGION OF THE STATE THAT TRENDS DEMOCRATIC. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. IN FACT, A DEMOCRAT WAS ELECTED TO REPLACE HIM AND HE LOST HIS OLD CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT. AND AT THE SAME TIME, HE DIDN'T HAVE THAT CLOSE TIE TO RURAL WESTERN IOWA THAT HIS RUNNING MATE DID. SO HE DIDN'T DO AS WELL AS HE SHOULD HAVE OUT THERE. SO HE HAD THE WORST OF BOTH WORLDS.

Borg: JENEANE, YOU'RE AT THE STATEHOUSE JUST ABOUT EVERY DAY. CAN YOU AT ALL PROJECT YET WHAT THIS CULVER ADMINISTRATION IS LIKELY TO LOOK LIKE IN ITS COMPOSITION, STAFFERS, THOSE THAT ARE APPOINTED AND SO ON? DO YOU EXPECT THAT HE MIGHT KEEP ON MANY OF THE VILSACK APPOINTEES? AND HOW WILL THIS BE, WITH A DEMOCRATIC CONTROLLED LEGISLATURE -- TWO DIFFERENT QUESTIONS HERE -- WITH A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR TOO?

Beck: I THINK IT'S TOO SOON FOR ME TO KNOW WHO HE MIGHT APPOINT, HOW MANY OF THE CURRENT AGENCY DIRECTORS HE WILL KEEP ON. AS A DEMOCRAT, I'M SURE THERE ARE SOME OF THEM THAT HOPE THEY HAVE A BETTER CHANCE TO STAY ON WITH HIM THAN THEY WOULD IF IT WAS JIM NUSSLE IN THE OFFICE. HOWEVER, HE'S GOING TO WANT TO BRING IN NEW PEOPLE AND HE'S GOING TO OWE FAVORS TO PEOPLE, SO THERE IS GOING TO BE NEW PEOPLE BROUGHT IN. BY HAVING A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR AND A DEMOCRATIC CONTROLLED LEGISLATURE, THEY'RE ALREADY PROMISING ONE OF THE FIRST BILLS OUT OF THE CHUTE COME JANUARY WILL BE AN INCREASE IN THE MINIMUM WAGE. WE'LL PROBABLY ALSO LIKELY SEE AN INCREASE IN THE TOBACCO TAX. SO THERE WILL BE CERTAIN ISSUES THEY'LL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF RIGHT AWAY.

Yepsen: I THINK ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT CHET CULVER WILL HAVE IS THE FACT THAT HE'S GOT A DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATURE. IT'S SORT OF BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. EVERY -- THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN 42 YEARS THEY'VE HAD THIS TRIFECTA. EVERY DEMOCRATIC CONSTITUENCY GROUP IN THE STATE IS GOING TO BE UP THERE SAYING: OKAY, WE NEED OURS; WE'RE NEED OUR MONEY; WE NEED OUR REGULATIONS; WE NEED REPEAL OF RIGHT TO WORK, WHATEVER. AND DEMOCRATIC LEADERS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LEARN TO SAY NO. THEY'RE IN A TOUGH POSITION OF HAVING SOME MONEY BUT NOT ENOUGH TO KEEP EVERYBODY HAPPY.

Henderson: BUT THEY DO HAVE ADULTS IN THE ROOM. THEY HAVE, IN MIKE GRONSTAL, A LEADER WHO'S ACTUALLY BEEN A FLOOR LEADER BEFORE. HE KNOWS THE MECHANICS OF THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS. AND ALREADY THIS WEEK, THE DAY AFTER THE ELECTION, THERE WAS SORT OF A CURB-YOUR-ENTHUSIASM MESSAGE FROM DEMOCRATS. FROM CHET CULVER, HE SAID, 'I'M GOING TO REACH ACROSS THE AISLE. I WANT TO BE BIPARTISAN. I WANT TO WORK WITH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS.' YOU HEARD THE SAME THING FROM THE TWO DEMOCRATS WHO ARE GOING TO BE THE KEY FLOOR LEADERS IN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE. SO THEY ALREADY KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO YANK PEOPLE'S EXPECTATIONS DOWN A BIT.

Glover: AND I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO FIND VERY LITTLE CARRYOVER FROM THE VILSACK ADMINISTRATION TO THE CULVER ADMINISTRATION IN PART BECAUSE, REMEMBER, THESE TWO GUYS ARE NOT REAL CLOSE. REMEMBER TOM VILSACK HAD A CANDIDATE FOR THE DEMOCRATIC GUBERNATORIAL NOMINATION NAMED MIKE BLOUIN, WHO RAN BECAUSE VILSACK WANTED HIM TO RUN. SO THEY'RE NOT THAT CLOSE. AND THE KEY STAFF, I MEAN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE STAFF, ALMOST ENTIRELY WILL BE MOVING OVER TO THE VILSACK PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN. SO CULVER IS GOING TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT CHORE ON HIS PLATE RIGHT WAY, WHICH IS HE'S GOT TO PICK KEY STAFF THAT WILL SERVE AS HIS VERY HIGHEST ADVISORS, AND HE'S GOT TO START DEALING WITH ALL THESE PEOPLE WITHIN STATE GOVERNMENT.

Henderson: BUT THE OTHER THING THAT I REMEMBER ABOUT TOM VILSACK GAINING OFFICE, HOW DEMOCRATS WERE UPSET THAT HE KEPT AROUND SO MANY BRANSTAD PEOPLE. IF YOU RECALL, HE KEPT AROUND A LOT OF BRANSTAD'S PEOPLE, NOTABLY THE DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, TED STILWILL. SO WE MAY NOT SEE THAT MUCH CHANGE IN THE BUREAUCRACY, PER SE, FOR A FEW MONTHS BECAUSE CULVER MAY INDEED WANT TO KEEP THOSE PEOPLE AROUND TO KEEP THE PLACE RUNNING.

Yepsen: CHET CULVER HAS GOT OTHER PROBLEMS. I MEAN NOT ONLY DOES HE HAVE TO PUT STAFF IN PLACE IMMEDIATELY, BUT HE'S GOT TO MAKE BIG BUDGET DECISIONS. HE'S GOT TO DECIDE WHAT THE STATE'S POSITION IS IN COLLECTIVE BARGAINING. I MEAN THERE'S A WHOLE SERIES OF RAPID-FIRE DECISIONS. YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A BUDGET TO THE LEGISLATURE BY THE END OF JANUARY, SO HE'S GOT A LOT OF DECISIONS TO MAKE WITH NOT A LOT OF NEW PEOPLE AROUND.

Beck: AND HIS STAFF TOLD ME THAT THEY HAD NOT BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS. I MEAN THEY REALLY FOCUSED SOLELY ON THE CAMPAIGN. AND YOU KNOW PEOPLE SAY, 'WELL, YOU'VE PROBABLY THOUGHT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IF YOU WON,' AND HE SAID, 'NO, WE WERE AFRAID TO THINK THAT FAR AHEAD.' SO REALLY THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO START FROM SCRATCH.

Glover: I WAS ACTUALLY TALKING TO SOME OF TOM VILSACK'S STAFF ABOUT JUST THAT. AND THEY HAD A MORATORIUM IN 2002 OF NOT -- EVEN THOUGH IT WAS LOOKING PRETTY EARLY LIKE THEY WERE GOING TO WIN, THEY HAD A MORATORIUM THAT YOU WERE NOT ALLOWED TO MENTION ANYTHING AFTER THE ELECTION DAY. AND HE'S GOT ANOTHER PROBLEM, CHET CULVER DOES, AND THAT'S CAMPAIGN PROMISES. HE'S MADE A LOT OF THEM AND THEY'RE PRETTY EXPENSIVE AND HE'S GOING TO HAVE SOME EXPLAINING TO DO IF HE CAN'T COME THROUGH WITH THEM.

Borg: WELL, LET'S GET INTO THAT, THEN. WHO WERE THE WINNERS AND LOSERS AMONG SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS IN THIS DEMOCRATIC SWEEP?

Glover: LABOR, TEACHERS WERE CLEARLY WINNERS. SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE GROUPS WERE CLEARLY LOSERS. I MEAN THERE WERE SOME ISSUES THAT WENT OFF THE TABLE WITH CHET CULVER'S ELECTION. ONE OF THEM IS EFFORTS TO RESTRICT ABORTION. THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. IT'S A DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATURE AND A PRO-CHOICE GOVERNOR. CHET CULVER DOES FAVOR THE DEATH SENTENCE IN LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT HE SAYS HE'S NOT GOING TO PUSH IT VERY HARD, SO THAT'S PROBABLY OFF THE TABLE. HE PROBABLY WILL BE FAIRLY GENEROUS OR AS GENEROUS AS THE BUDGET WILL ALLOW WITH THE STATE WORKER UNIONS BECAUSE THEY WERE A BIG DRIVING FORCE BEHIND HIS CAMPAIGN.

Yepsen: ONE THING THAT I THINK IS ENCOURAGING -- I WAS TAKING A LOOK AT SOME OF THESE DOCUMENTS THE OTHER DAY. AND GOVERNOR VILSACK HAS REALLY DONE A NICE JOB OF GETTING A TRANSITION READY FOR CHET CULVER. THERE'S AN OFFICE OVER THERE, PHONES, PAPER CLIPS. YOU GO BACK AND CONTRAST WITH GOVERNOR-ELECT VILSACK, TERRY BRANSTAD KIND OF STUCK HIM IN A CLOSET AND THERE WERE MICE IN ONE OF THE ROOMS. AND THE GOVERNOR HAS DONE A NICE JOB OF TAKING HIS STAFF FOR THE BETTER PART OF A YEAR AND PREPARING TRANSITION BOOKS. IF YOU'RE A NEW STAFFER FOR CHET CULVER, THERE IS A RING BINDER, YOU LOOK AT IT, AND IT TELLS YOU EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO DO IN YOUR JOB.

Beck: AND THEY HAVE FOUR TIMES AS MUCH MONEY. VILSACK HAD $25,000 FOR TRANSITION. THEY'VE GIVEN CULVER $100,000, WHICH WILL MAKE IT A LOT EASIER THAN IT WAS.

Glover: THE DIFFERENCE IS -- THE DIFFERENCE IS TOM VILSACK I THINK, CLEARLY IN HIS HEAD, HAS GONE BEYOND BEING GOVERNOR. I MEAN HIS HEAD IS NO LONGER IN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE. HE'S READY, WILLING, AND ABLE TO TRANSITION TO A NEW GOVERNOR. I REMEMBER WHEN TERRY BRANSTAD WAS GOVERNOR, I REMEMBER WRITING THE VILSACK INAUGURATION SPEECH, BECAUSE AFTER THE ELECTION NOTHING HAPPENED IN TERRY BRANSTAD'S OFFICE. AND I WAS SITTING THERE LISTENING TO TOM VILSACK'S INAUGURATION, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I LOOKED ACROSS THE HALL AND THEY STARTED MOVING OUT. THAT DAY THEY WERE MOVING OUT. THEIR HEAD WAS NOT IN A TRANSITION.

Borg: JENEANE MENTIONED ONE OF THE FIRST LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS MIGHT BE AN INCREASE IN THE MINIMUM WAGE. WHAT ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES IN THIS CULVER ADMINISTRATION, PARTICULARLY WITH THE DEMOCRATIC -- AND THE CIGARETTE TAX?

Yepsen: I THINK THE CIGARETTE TAX IS GOING TO GET RAISED. I MEAN CHET CULVER CAN'T MAKE HIS BUDGET BALANCE WITHOUT IT, SO THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS I PUT DOWN AS PRETTY MUCH A DONE DEAL. I MEAN 70 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE IN IOWA WANT TO DO IT. IN TERMS OF THE ENVIRONMENT, DEAN, YOU'RE ALREADY SEEING A DRUMBEAT TO SPEND MORE MONEY. THERE'S A GROUP -- THE ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS ARE HAVING MEETINGS AND HEARINGS FOR HOW THEY GET MORE MONEY. THEY WANT A BILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS, I THINK, OVER TEN YEARS. SO YOU MAY SEE EARMARKING OF THE SALES TAX REVENUES, PARK USER FEES, DIFFERENT WAYS TO COME UP WITH ADDITIONAL DOLLARS TO PUT TOWARD THE ENVIRONMENT. THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WILL HAPPEN.

Beck: BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WON'T HAPPEN, WHICH I FIND INTERESTING -- JUST LAST WEEK ON THIS PROGRAM WHEN THE LEADERS WERE OUT HERE, YOU NOW HAVE A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR AND A DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATURE. AND FOR THE FIRST TIME, WHAT MANY WOULD HAVE BELIEVED A REAL CHANCE AT PASSING LOCAL CONTROL OF LOCAL -- OR OF LARGE CONFINEMENT OPERATIONS. AND DEMOCRATIC LEADERS ARE SAYING, LOOK, OUR MEMBERS AREN'T ALL SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO GO ANYWHERE. SO I THINK THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME VOTERS WHO THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS THEIR FIRST CHANCE AT IT, AND IT MAY NOT HAPPEN.

Yepsen: I THINK THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE THE DEMOCRATIC CONSTITUENCY GROUPS ARE GOING TO BE COMING UP TO THE LEGISLATURE AND SAYING, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE, IT'S IN THE PLATFORM HERE, LOCAL CONTROL. I THINK THAT CONVERSATION IS GOING TO GO ON FOR A WHILE.

Borg: IS IT GOING TO MATTER MUCH WHO THE DEMOCRATS CHOOSE FOR THEIR LEGISLATIVE LEADERSHIP IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND IN THE SENATE? MY PREMISE IS MAYBE IT DOESN'T MATTER TOO MUCH BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT COMPLETE CONTROL OF GOVERNMENT.

Glover: IT MATTERS QUITE A BIT, AND THERE ARE FACTIONS WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY IN BOTH CHAMBERS OF THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE. THERE'S YOUR BASIC MODERATE FACTION AND YOUR BASIC LIBERAL FACTION. THE LIBERALS SAY, OKAY, WE'VE GOT POWER NOW, LET'S RUN OUT, LET'S REPEAL RIGHT TO WORK, LET'S DO LOCAL CONTROL OF HOG LOTS, LET'S ON DO ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF. AND YOU'VE GOT MODERATES WHO ARE SAYING, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE, WE'D LIKE TO BE AROUND AGAIN AS THE MAJORITY IN TWO YEARS. IF WE START DOING THAT STUFF, WE'RE GONE. AND SO IF A RELATIVELY URBAN PRAGMATIST LIKE PAT MURPHY IS ELECTED SPEAKER IN THE HOUSE AND A RELATIVELY MODEST, MODERATE, URBAN DEMOCRAT LIKE KEVIN MCCARTHY IS ELECTED AS MAJORITY LEADER, THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT APPROACH THAN, SAY, A PAM JOCHUM AS MAJORITY LEADER.

Yepsen: ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE -- GOING BACK TO THIS BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR -- THERE ARE 54 DEMOCRATS IN THE HOUSE, THERE 30 IN THE SENATE. NOW, ON SOME OF THESE TOUGH VOTES, JENEANE MENTIONS LOCAL CONTROL, SOME DEMOCRATS FROM RURAL AREAS, THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE GOING UP TO THESE LEADERS AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU LET ME OFF THE HOOK ON THIS ONE. WELL, THEY'VE GOT JUST ENOUGH VOTES WHERE YOU CAN HAVE A LOT PEOPLE DOING THAT. IF IT WERE 51 AND 26, THE LEADER COULD SAY, NO, NOBODY FLAKES OFF ON ANYTHING. BUT NOW THEY'VE GOT A REAL MANAGEMENT PROBLEM OF TRYING TO HERD THESE CATS THAT THEY'VE JUST ELECTED.

Beck: AND IN THE HOUSE, ONLY ABOUT A HANDFUL OF THOSE MEMBERS OF THE DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN IN CONTROL BEFORE. I MEAN OUT OF 54 OF THEM, I THINK 5 HAVE BEEN IN THE MAJORITY BEFORE. SO YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF LEARNING TO DO AMONG MEMBERS WHO'VE NEVER BEEN IN CONTROL BEFORE AND THEY'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT BUT THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT.

Borg: LET'S GO TO THE CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS. OVER IN THE FIRST DISTRICT, IT WASN'T A SURPRISE BECAUSE THAT IS A DEMOCRATIC LEANING DISTRICT. BUT WAS THE MARGIN A SURPRISE, DAVE?

Yepsen: NO, DEAN, IT WAS A SURPRISE.

Borg: IT WAS!

Yepsen: DAVID LOEBSACK WAS A SURPRISE. HE WAS A SURPRISE TO JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY IN THE POLITICAL COMMUNITY.

Borg: THAT'S IN THE SECOND DISTRICT.

Yepsen: I'M SORRY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FIRST DISTRICT?

Borg: I SAID FIRST, BUT GO TO THE SECOND. THAT'S FINE.

Yepsen: THEN, YOU'RE RIGHT. BRUCE BRALEY WAS NO SURPRISE. I MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID. BRALEY'S ELECTION, POLLS FORECASTED, THE REGISTRATION WAS THERE. I'M FOCUSED ON THE LOEBSACK THING BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE INTERESTING STORY WAS.

Borg: OKAY, GO WITH THAT.

Henderson: WELL, THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THAT IS THAT ALL THE NATIONAL MEDIA WERE FOCUSED ON THAT FIRST DISTRICT. IT WAS ON EVERY LIST. THE SECOND DISTRICT WAS NEVER ON ANY LIST. NEITHER OF THE MAJOR POLITICAL PARTIES SPENT ANY MONEY IN THAT DISTRICT UNTIL THE VERY LAST MINUTE, THE DCCC, WHICH IS THE DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSIONAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE, PUTS ABOUT $50,000 IN AT THE VERY, VERY LAST MINUTE ON A FRIDAY. AND SO I THINK THAT WAS THE STUNNING THING ABOUT IT. AND THEN THE MOST STUNNING THING IS, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, HEADING IN WE HAD FOUR REPUBLICANS AND ONE DEMOCRAT. HEADING OUT WE HAVE THREE DEMOCRATS AND TWO REPUBLICANS. THAT'S A PRETTY SEISMIC SHIFT FOR A STATE.

Yepsen: THAT RACE UNDERSCORES HOW PARTISAN THIS ELECTION REALLY WAS. I MEAN JIM NUSSLE PROBABLY DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE AT THE END OF IT BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WERE ANGRY AT THE REPUBLICANS FOR ALL SORTS OF REASONS, AND IF YOU WERE A DEMOCRAT AND ON THE BALLOT, YOU HAD A REAL WIND AT YOUR BACK. AND THERE WERE A LOT OF DEMOCRATS IN IOWA CITY, FOR EXAMPLE, WHO OVER THE YEARS THEY KIND OF LIKED JIM LEACH. WE ALWAYS TALK OUT HERE THAT IT'S THE CANDIDATE. WELL, ON ELECTION NIGHT, IT WAS THE PARTY. AND DEMOCRATS -- AND LOEBSACK HAD SUCCESSFULLY ARGUED THAT IT MAKES NO SENSE TO KEEP ELECTING JIM LEACH TO BE PART OF THE REPUBLICAN PROBLEM IN WASHINGTON AND A VOTE FOR LEACH WAS A VOTE FOR DENNY HASTERT AND TOM DELAY. AND FINALLY, AFTER ABOUT THIRTY YEARS OF DEMOCRATS MAKING THAT ARGUMENT IN PLACES LIKE JOHNSON COUNTY, THE VOTERS SAID, 'YEAH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE RIGHT. SORRY, GOOD OLD JIM, BUT WE'RE VOTING FOR DAVE LOEBSACK.'

Glover: I HAVE A STORY THAT KIND OF MAYBE TELLS THE STORY OF THAT. I WAS TALKING TO A STAFFER UP AT THE STATEHOUSE WHOSE MOTHER LIVES IN THAT DISTRICT AND IS SORT OF A TRADITIONAL LIBERAL DEMOCRAT WHO ALWAYS VOTES FOR JIM LEACH. SHE WALKED INTO THE POLLING PLACE ON ELECTION DAY -- AND SHE TOLD HER SON THIS -- AND SHE VOTED STRAIGHT DEMOCRATIC. VOTED -- CHECKED THE STRAIGHT DEMOCRATIC TICKET. AND SHE LOOKED DOWN THE BALLOT AND THERE WAS JIM LEACH, WHO SHE'S ALWAYS VOTED FOR IN THE PAST, AND SHE SAID TO HERSELF, YOU KNOW, HE'S BEEN THERE THIRTY YEARS, MAYBE IT'S TIME FOR HIM TO GO.

Yepsen: ANOTHER THING DAVE LOEBSACK --

Borg: I'VE HEARD THE WORD -- JUST TO ILLUSTRATE THAT, DAVE, I'VE HEARD THE WORD 'SACRIFICE,' WE HAVE TO SACRIFICE, THIS TIME, JIM LEACH. EVEN THOUGH WE WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR HIM IN THE PAST, WE'RE GOING TO SACRIFICE HIM THIS TIME TO MAKE THE POINT.

Yepsen: THE OTHER POINT I WAS GOING TO MAKE IS THAT OVER THE YEARS DEMOCRATS HAVE ALWAYS HAD TROUBLE IN THAT DISTRICT. A CANDIDATE FROM THE NORTHERN PART OF THE DISTRICT FROM JOHNSON AND LINN COUNTY MIGHT NOT RUN WELL WITH MORE CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRATS IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE DISTRICT AND VICE VERSA. THIS TIME THE PARTISAN THING THAT I JUST DESCRIBED, IF YOU WERE A DEMOCRAT, IT HELPED.

Borg: THE REST OF THE CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS REALLY WEREN'T A SURPRISE AS --

Glover: NO. LEONARD BOSWELL WON REELECTION IN CENTRAL IOWA AND THAT -- IT WAS A NASTY, DIRTY, EXPENSIVE CAMPAIGN, BUT HE WAS AHEAD ALL ALONG. AND A LOT HAVE SUGGESTED THAT JEFF LAMBERTI WAS ON A FOUR-YEAR PLAN, TO GET ELECTED IN TWO YEARS WHEN MAYBE LEONARD BOSWELL DOESN'T RUN AGAIN.

Borg: WAS THAT DIFFICULT FOR THE REPUBLICANS BECAUSE STEVE KING DIDN'T TURN OUT -- OR DID HE TURN OUT ENOUGH REPUBLICANS TO OFFSET THE DEMOCRATIC WAVE ELSEWHERE?

Yepsen: EVEN STEVE KING AND ALL HIS RED MEAT COULD NOT GIN UP A BIG ENOUGH TURNOUT IN WESTERN IOWA. I MEAN YOU LOOK AT BUSH CARRYING COUNTIES UP THERE BY SEVERAL THOUSAND VOTES AND NUSSLE BREAKING EVEN ALMOST IN PLACES LIKE WOODBURY COUNTY. THAT'S JUST --

Beck: THAT'S ONE OF THOSE CASES WHERE SOMETIMES IF YOU DON'T HAVE A SOLID OPPOSITION, IT CAN ALMOST HURT YOU, YOU KNOW, IN THAT CASE. BECAUSE JOYCE SCHULTE HAD RUN BEFORE, SHE DIDN'T RUN MUCH OF A CAMPAIGN THIS TIME. THERE WAS NOT THE INCENTIVE FOR THEM TO GET OUT TO VOTE. THEY KNEW THAT KING WAS GOING TO WIN AND, WELL, I CAN LET THAT GO.

Glover: AND BUSH IN 2004, THAT WAS HIS TARGETED PRIORITY. AND WHEN YOU HAVE A STATEWIDE CAMPAIGN WITH ALL THE MONEY, RESOURCES, AND ENERGY THAT A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE CAN BRING, YOU HAVE A FAR GREATER CHANCE OF TURNING OUT THOSE VOTERS THAN AS A CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATE WHO CAN'T EVEN GO TO THE VOTERS AND SAY I REALLY NEED YOU WITH ME.

Borg: SPEAKING OF ABSENTEE -- OR OF TURNING OUT VOTERS, ABOUT ABSENTEES, WAS THERE ANY INDICATION THE DEMOCRATS DID A BETTER JOB THIS TIME? BUT IT REALLY DIDN'T MATTER ANYWAY, DID IT.

Henderson: THERE WAS A HUGE TURNOUT ON ELECTION DAY FOR DEMOCRATS, WHICH WAS SURPRISING TO SOME OF US BECAUSE DEMOCRATS HAVE REALLY FOCUSED ON EARLY VOTING.

Yepsen: YOU KNOW, WE'RE INTO A PERIOD OF INTROSPECTION NOW IN BOTH PARTIES, PARTICULARLY IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. I MEAN TWO YEARS AGO THE DEMOCRATS WERE ALL DOWN AND OUT AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO TO REACH PEOPLE OF FAITH AND GET CANDIDATES THAT DON'T GO WIND SURFING. NOW IT'S THE REPUBLICANS WHO I THINK THAT HAVE GOT TO LOOK INWARD A LITTLE BIT AND TO TRY TO FIND IN WINNING MESSAGE: HOW DO THEY WANT TO GET OUT OF IRAQ; HOW DO THEY PROVIDE WINNING CANDIDATES? I THINK THEY'VE REALLY GOT TO GET AWAY FROM THIS NOTION OF BEING A HOLY-OWNED SUBSIDIARY OF THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT. YOU KNOW, YOUR BASE IS YOUR BASE. IT'S NOT THE WHOLE FOUNDATION, SO I THINK -- AS I TALK TO REPUBLICANS, I THINK THEY'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR A WAY TO GET BACK ON A WINNING GAME.

Glover: I'VE HEARD THE BUSH POLITICAL TEAM MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT IN AMERICA THERE ARE NO UNDECIDEDS, THERE'S NO MIDDLE GROUND ANYMORE. IT IS OUR BASE VERSUS THEIR BASE, AND HE TURNS OUT THE BASE BEST WINS THE ELECTION. ON A PRESIDENTIAL LEVEL MAYBE, BUT I THINK THE ISSUE THE REPUBLICANS HAVE TO DEAL WITH RIGHT NOW IS HOW DO WE GET MODERATE VOTERS BACK.

Beck: IT'S NOT JUST REPUBLICANS THAT HAVE TO GO TO WORK. I THINK DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO FACE A LITTLE TROUBLE IN CONGRESS. YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO HOLD THIS TWO YEARS FROM NOW, THIS NEW CONTROL. AND THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT IRAQ, AND THIS WAS A VOTE AGAINST BUSH. THIS WASN'T ALL A VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS, AND IF THEY DON'T HAVE A PLAN FOR IRAQ WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, THEY'RE GOING TO FACE PROBLEMS TWO YEARS FROM NOW.

Henderson: BUT I THINK BUSH HANDED DEMOCRATS A HUGE THING -- I MEAN NOT TO TALK ABOUT A NATIONAL ISSUE, BUT I MEAN GETTING RID OF RUMSFELD I THINK GIVES DEMOCRATS SOME TIME TO COME UP WITH A PLAN BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO COME UP WITH IT. ON WEDNESDAY BUSH FIRED RUMSFELD.

Yepsen: THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TUESDAY IS IT DID SEND BOTH PARTIES -- THEY'VE GOT TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND WHO THEY ARE. AND THAT DISCUSSION IS GOING TO START HERE IN IOWA WITH ALL THESE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES COMING IN HERE BECAUSE DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO BE ASKING DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES WHAT DO 'WE' DO. REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO BE ASKING REPUBLICANS WHAT DO 'WE' DO. WE'RE GOING TO BE FRONT AND CENTER OF THE DEBATE HERE IN THIS STATE.

Glover: AND IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY PRAGMATIC DEBATE AMONG -- BECAUSE CAUCUS GOERS TEND TO ASK THE FOLLOWING QUESTION: CAN YOU WIN THE WHITE HOUSE? AND SO THESE CANDIDATES ARE GOING TO BE FACED WITH THE QUESTION OF, OKAY, HERE'S WHERE I AM ON THIS ISSUE, THIS ISSUE, THIS ISSUE BUT, MORE IMPORTANTLY, HERE'S HOW I CAN GET DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

Yepsen: AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A TOUGH THING FOR SOME RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVES TO DO BECAUSE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS NOT A CHURCH. IT'S A POLITICAL PARTY AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START GETTING CANDIDATES WHO CAN APPEAL TO THE TWO-THIRDS OF THE IOWA ELECTORATE THAT ARE NOT EVANGELICALS.

Glover: THE PROBLEM REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO HAVE IN THE CAUCUS CAMPAIGN IS CAUCUS GOERS ARE NOT A POLITICAL PARTY. CAUCUS GOERS ARE A CHURCH.

Borg: I'M STRUCK BY THE FACT THAT I REMEMBER HAVING THIS SAME CONVERSATION ABOUT THE HEART AND SOUL OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO OR MORE AND IS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY REALLY GOING TO BE VIABLE IN THE FUTURE. WELL, IT CAME BACK IF FORCE. WHAT DO YOU THINK THE FUTURE PLANS ARE OF JIM NUSSLE AND JIM LEACH?

Glover: I THINK JIM LEACH IS A VERY, VERY RESPECTED FIGURE IN WASHINGTON. HE'S THE KIND OF A PERSON WHOSE EXPERTISE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS IS WIDELY RESPECTED. I THINK HE'LL LAND SOMEWHERE IN WASHINGTON, IN A THINK TANK, SORT OF BIG PICTURY ISSUES. I THINK JIM NUSSLE WILL LIKELY END UP BACK IN WASHINGTON LOBBYING CONGRESS.

Henderson: YOU WILL NOT SEE JIM NUSSLE RUN -- TAKE THE JIM ROSS LIGHTFOOT PATH OF LOSING THE GOVERNORSHIP AND THEN TWO YEARS LATER RUNNING AGAINST TOM HARKIN. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.

Yepsen: I THINK REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN CURED OF THIS NOTION OF TRYING TO RUN MEMBERS OF CONGRESS FOR STATEWIDE OFFICE. IT HASN'T WORK OUT TOO WELL FOR THEM.

Glover: BUT THEY KEEP TRYING. I WONDER IF THEY ARE CURED.

Yepsen: THEY'RE GOING TO RUN OUT OF CONGRESSMEN PRETTY SOON.

Borg: JUST BEFORE WE LEAVE, I WANT TO -- THERE WAS A RACE AT THE STATEHOUSE FOR AGRICULTURE SECRETARY, WHICH WENT AGAINST THE DEMOCRATIC TIDE. BILL NORTHEY WON THAT ONE, BUT IT REALLY BROUGHT OUT SOME CONCEPTS ABOUT WHAT IOWA -- WHAT AGRICULTURE SHOULD BE.

Yepsen: WELL, THE THING THAT WAS AMAZING TO ME ABOUT THAT RACE IS BILL NORTHEY, THE REPUBLICAN, AGAINST DENISE O'BRIEN, THE DEMOCRAT. HERE'S THE REPUBLICAN PARTY GETTING TROUNCED EVERYWHERE. AND YET WHO STANDS OUT IN THIS CARNAGE? THIS BILL NORTHEY GUY. STAY TUNED; WE MAY BE HEARING MORE FROM HIM OTHER THAN JUST AGRICULTURE SECRETARY.

Glover: AND WE MAY BE HEARING THE SECRETARY OF AGRICULTURE JOB, WHICH IS STATUTORY, ELIMINATED BY DEMOCRATS IN THE LEGISLATURE, WHICH MIGHT MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.

Yepsen: IF YOU'RE THE DEMOCRATIC TRIFECTA, WHY NOT DO AWAY WITH THAT JOB? YOU CAN DO IT STATUTORILY. OTHERWISE YOU'RE GOING TO WAIT AROUND AND GIVE BILL NORTHEY A BASE TO RUN FOR GOVERNOR SOMEDAY.

Henderson: THE OTHER THING IS VOTERS CONTINUALLY COMPLAIN ABOUT NEGATIVE ADVERTISING. AND NEGATIVE ADVERTISING WON THAT RACE FOR BILL NORTHEY, HAMMERING AWAY AT HER. THAT AD IN WHICH SHE LOOKED LIKE CRUELLA DEVILLE, TALKING ABOUT HER RADICAL AGENDA, THAT AD WON THE RACE.

Borg: I'M SORRY BUT WE'RE OUT OF TIME. I'D REALLY LIKE TO GO ON WITH THE CONVERSATION. I'M HAVING A LOT OF FUN, AS I'M SURE YOU ARE. BUT THESE PREDICTIONS ARE GOING TO COME BACK TO HAUNT US ALL, YOU KNOW.

Henderson: THEY WILL.

Yepsen: THEY WILL. THEY ALWAYS DO, DEAN.

Borg: THAT'S 'IOWA PRESS' FOR THIS WEEKEND. WE'LL CATCH UP ON OUR SLEEP AFTER ALL THIS ELECTIONEERING AND BE BACK NEXT WEEKEND AT OUR REGULAR TIMES: 7:30 FRIDAY NIGHT; AND 11:30 SUNDAY MORNING. I HOPE YOU WATCH. I'M DEAN BORG. THANKS FOR JOINING US TODAY.

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