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Reporters' Roundtable

posted on May 4, 2007

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Borg: COUNTING THE COST. POLITICAL LEADERS ASSESS IMPLICATIONS OF WHAT PASSED AND WHAT DIDN'T DURING THE FIRST SESSION OF IOWA'S NEW DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED LEGISLATURE. COMMENTS FROM POLITICAL JOURNALISTS ON THIS EDITION OF 'IOWA PRESS.'

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ON STATEWIDE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION, THIS IS THE FRIDAY, MAY 4 EDITION OF 'IOWA PRESS.' HERE IS DEAN BORG.

Borg: WELL, WE'VE HAD ABOUT A WEEK TO CONSIDER THE ACTIONS OF THE JUST-CONCLUDED FIRST SESSION OF IOWA'S NEW GENERAL ASSEMBLY. LOTS WAS DIFFERENT THIS TIME, DEMOCRATS COMPLETELY CONTROLLING THE AGENDA, GIVING FELLOW DEMOCRAT CHET CULVER PRETTY MUCH HIS PRIORITIES AS GOVERNOR. BUT IN SOME CASES, CONTROLLING THE AGENDA JUST WASN'T ENOUGH, SIDELINING SOME LEGISLATION FAVORED BY DEMOCRAT SUPPORTERS. WE'RE SEEKING ANALYSIS AND OPINIONS FROM POLITICAL JOURNALISTS WHO HAVE BEEN SPENDING THEIR DAYS AND SOMETIMES EVENINGS AT THE IOWA STATEHOUSE DURING THE PAST FEW MONTHS: 'DES MOINES REGISTER' POLITICAL COLUMNIST DAVID YEPSEN, 'RADIO IOWA' NEWS DIRECTOR KAY HENDERSON, 'ASSOCIATED PRESS' SENIOR POLITICAL WRITER MIKE GLOVER, AND 'IOWA PUBLIC RADIO' STATEHOUSE CORRESPONDENT JENEANE BECK. KAY, I'M GOING TO START WITH YOU. I KNOW THAT YOU'RE A BROADCASTER, NOT A HEADLINE WRITER FOR A NEWSPAPER. BUT IF YOU HAD TO WRITE A HEADLINE, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO CAPTURE THE ESSENCE OF THE JUST-CONCLUDED SESSION?

Henderson: WELL, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT PUBLICATION I'M WRITING FOR. IF IT'S FOR DAVID'S PAPER, I MIGHT WRITE 'IT'S OVER.' IF I WAS WRITING FOR 'THE ONION,' I MIGHT WRITE SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. DEMOCRATS TRIED TO STICK A HEADLINE ON IT THAT WAS 'BEST SESSION EVER.' REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO STICK A HEADLINE ON IT THAT SAYS 'DEMOCRATS PURSUE LIBERAL AGENDA.'

Glover: AND IF YOU HAD TO LOOK AT THIS SESSION IN TERMS OF WHO GOT WHAT THEY WANTED AND WHO DIDN'T GET WHAT THEY WANTED, THE NEW GOVERNOR, CHET CULVER, GOT VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING ON HIS WISH LIST ALMOST. WITH A COUPLE OF SIGNIFICANT EXCEPTIONS, HE GOT EVERYTHING THAT HE ASKED FOR.

Borg: SO WHEN I SAID PRETTY MUCH, I WAS RIGHT.

Glover: YOU WERE RIGHT. HE DIDN'T GET EVERY SINGLE ITEM HE ASKED FOR, BUT THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING LEFT OVER FOR NEXT YEAR.

Borg: DAVE, IF YOU HAD TO LOOK AT THE SESSION, WHAT ACTION WOULD YOU SAY BEST EXEMPLIFIES THE CHANGE IN THE LEGISLATURE AND CONTROL THIS TIME? WHAT ACTION OR INACTION?

Yepsen: I THINK THERE WERE TWO. ONE, THEY RAISED THE MINIMUM WAGE. THAT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED HAD REPUBLICANS REMAINED IN CONTROL. SECONDLY, THEY PASSED CIVIL RIGHTS PROTECTIONS FOR GAYS AND LESBIANS. THAT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED HAD REPUBLICANS REMAINED IN CONTROL. THERE'S A LOT THEY DIDN'T DO, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT I THINK THOSE ARE TWO THINGS THAT TO ME REALLY SHOW THAT IT'S DIFFERENT. I SUPPOSE A THIRD WOULD BE THEY SPENT AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY, CLOSE TO 10 PERCENT GROWTH OF THE BUDGET. THAT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED HAD REPUBLICANS BEEN IN CONTROL.

Borg: JENEANE, TONE. WAS THERE A DIFFERENT TONE UP THERE DISCERNIBLY?

Beck: WELL, IT WAS INTERESTING TO WATCH THE NEW REPUBLICAN MINORITY AND HOW THEY ACCEPTED THEIR ROLE IN THE MINORITY. I MEAN THEY STRUGGLED WITH IT A BIT, ESPECIALLY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SESSION, I THINK OF FINDING THEIR VOICE AND FIGURING OUT WHAT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT AND WHEN TO REALLY TRY TO STALL AN ISSUE. YOU KNOW, THEY ALLOWED MINIMUM WAGE TO BASICALLY GO THROUGH UNCHECKED BECAUSE THEY KNEW THAT WAS COMING. THEY KNEW THAT THE VOTERS HAD SPOKEN ON THAT ISSUE. I THINK THE SAME WAS TRUE OF THE TOBACCO TAX. THEY PRETTY MUCH LET THOSE ISSUES GO THROUGH WITHOUT A LOT OF OPPOSITION. AND THEN THEY FOUND THEIR VOICE ON THINGS LIKE FAIR SHARE, UNION DUES, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, WHEN THEY REALLY FELT THEY HAD TO TRY TO PUT THE BRAKES ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS. SO IT WAS JUST A LEARNING PROCESS FOR THEM AS MUCH AS IT WAS FOR DEMOCRATS. AND I THINK DEMOCRATS DIDN'T FIND THEIR FOOTING UNTIL THE VERY END. I MEAN DAVE MENTIONED THE CIVIL RIGHTS BILL. THEY IN THE HOUSE STRUGGLED TO BRING THAT BILL UP BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T SURE THEY HAD THE VOTES, AND I THINK THEY WERE LETTING THE MINORITY SORT OF RUN THAT BILL FOR A WHILE AND FINALLY HAD TO DECIDE TO PUT IT UP AND SMOKE PEOPLE OUT AND MAKE THEM TAKE THAT VOTE. AND THEN IT PASSED WITH A LITTLE BIT LARGER MAJORITY THAN I EXPECTED.

Henderson: FIFTY-NINE VOTES.

Beck: MM-HMM.

Yepsen: EIGHT REPUBLICANS. I THINK THAT -- MAYBE IT WAS NINE. I FORGET. I THINK IT'S BEST TO DESCRIBE THE LEGISLATURE AS SORT OF A PIPELINE LEGISLATION THAT KIND OF MOVES ALONG. AND THE SMALLEST PART OF THAT PIPE WHEN THE THING HAD BEEN CRIMPED IS IN THE IOWA HOUSE WHERE YOU HAVE NOMINALLY 54 DEMOCRATS, ONE OF THEM IS GONE, WHICH MEANS ANY TIME A DEMOCRATIC LEADER COULDN'T GET 51 VOTES, WOULD LOSE 2 OR 3, NOTHING WOULD HAPPEN. AND THAT HAPPENED TIME AND AGAIN ON ISSUES AND CONTROVERSIES, AND SO A LOT OF PARTY LIBERALS ARE VERY UNHAPPY WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN, LOCAL CONTROL OF HOG LOTS. THAT'S WHY I THINK ONE OF THE STORIES OF THE SESSION WAS SORT OF THAT CHOKE POINT IN THE IOWA HOUSE THAT MADE IT DIFFICULT FOR LIBERAL OR PROGRESSIVE IDEAS TO MOVE FORWARD. IT DEPENDS ON YOUR POINT OF VIEW. I MEAN IT'S THE REASON WHY FAIR SHARE, WHICH IS CHANGING THE RIGHT TO WORK LAW IN IOWA, DIDN'T HAPPEN. THE UNIONS ARE VERY UPSET THAT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN, BUT THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY IS VERY HAPPY. SO THAT CHOKE POINT IS GOOD OR BAD, DEPENDING ON YOUR POINT OF VIEW.

Glover: AND WHAT HAPPENED IS REPUBLICANS KIND OF FIGURED IT OUT. THEY'D BEEN IN THE MAJORITY FOR A GOOD LONG TIME, AND THEY KIND OF FIGURED OUT WHAT THEIR ROLE WAS AS MINORITY MEMBERS. THEIR ROLE IS TO STOP THINGS FROM HAPPENING, AND THEY WERE VERY EFFECTIVE AT STOPPING THINGS FROM HAPPENING BY -- ON GAY RIGHTS. THERE WERE NINE REPUBLICANS WHO ENDED UP VOTING FOR THAT BILL, BUT REPUBLICANS MANAGED TO STALL DEBATE ALL SESSION LONG BY TELLING THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERS YOU HAVE TO FIND 51 VOTES IN YOUR CAUCUS TO PASS THIS THING, AND THEN ONCE YOU PUT UP 51 VOTES, WE'LL LET OUR PEOPLE GO VOTE AS THEY WILL. SO THEY WERE VERY EFFECTIVE AT STOPPING SOME THINGS FROM HAPPENING. YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER YOU HAD A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR, A LOPSIDED MAJORITY IN THE STATE SENATE, A SOLID MAJORITY IN THE STATEHOUSE. SO TO BE ABLE TO STOP ANYTHING IS KIND OF AN ACCOMPLISHMENT.

Henderson: AND A FINAL COMPLICATION IN ALL THIS WAS YOU HAD NEW LEADERS IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES WHO HAD NOT MANAGED THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES BEFORE. THEY DIDN'T KNOW THE EBB AND FLOW OF LEGISLATION, SO THEY HAD TO GET THEIR FOOTING BEFORE THEY REALLY KNEW HOW TO MANAGE THINGS INTERNALLY.

Yepsen: TO ADD TO THAT POINT, KAY, I THINK IT WAS ALSO TRUE HAVING A NEW GOVERNOR MADE A DIFFERENCE. HE HAD NEW STAFF. I MEAN EVERY DAY YOU COULD FIND A GLITCH OR SOMETHING WASN'T RIGHT. THE ONLY PLACE WHERE HE HAD EXPERIENCED LEADERSHIP WAS IN THE SENATE, WHERE MIKE GRONSTAL WAS IN CHARGE. I STILL THINK HE'S THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON -- POLITICAL LEADER AT THE CAPITOL, EVEN MORE SO THAN THE GOVERNOR IN MANY WAYS. BUT THE FACT THERE WAS ALL THIS NEWNESS: REPUBLICANS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THEIR ROLE; NEW DEMOCRATIC LEADERS; NEW GOVERNOR; NEW STAFF PEOPLE ALL AROUND. THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF FITS AND STARTS.

Glover: THIS LEGISLATURE WAS REALLY LUCKY. I HAVE A SAYING IN POLITICS, IT'S ALWAYS BETTER TO BE LUCKY THAN GOOD. THIS LEGISLATURE WAS LUCKY IN MANY WAYS. (A) THEY HAD A DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY IN BOTH THE HOUSE AND SENATE AND A NEW DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR, AND THEY'RE ALL KIND OF FEELING THEIR WAY TOGETHER.

Borg: AND THE MONEY TO WORK WITH.

Glover: (B) THE ECONOMY WAS ROLLING ALONG PRETTY GOOD, SO THEY HAD SOME MONEY TO PLAY WITH. THEY SPENT A LOT OF IT, BUT THEY HAD SOME MONEY TO PLAY WITH.

Yepsen: AND THEY EVEN WILL ADMIT NOW THEY SPENT TOO MUCH. I MEAN THERE'S 42 YEARS OF PENT-UP DEMANDS FROM DEMOCRATIC CONSTITUENCY GROUPS FOR ALL KINDS OF THINGS -- LEGITIMATE THINGS, TO RAISE TEACHER PAY TO ATTRACT TEACHERS. EVERY DEMOCRATIC CONSTITUENCY WAS IN LINE WITH, YOU KNOW, A CUP WANTING IT FILLED. BUT YOU CREATE A BUDGET THAT INCREASES SPENDING BY 10 PERCENT IN ONE YEAR, THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERS ARE GOING, PRIVATELY AND SOMETIMES PUBLICLY, SAYING WE SPENT TOO MUCH, WE'VE GOT TO GET THIS UNDER CONTROL. THE GOVERNOR IS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE LEVEL OF SPENDING BECAUSE WHAT IS HAPPENING IS, IF THE ECONOMY SHOULD TURN SOUTH, HE'S GOT NO MONEY TO SPEND WHEN HE'S UP FOR REELECTION. AND EVEN IF THE ECONOMY STAYS -- PERFORMS WELL, HE'S GOING TO BE SHORT OF MONEY COME 2010 WHEN HE WANTS TO DO SOME THINGS.

Glover: AND I THINK YOU SAW THAT IN THE LAST WEEK OF THE SESSION. YOU SAW THEM GO BACK INTO SOME OF THOSE SPENDING BILLS AND START TO PARE BACK. THERE ARE A LOT OF GROUPS WITHIN STATE GOVERNMENT WHO ARE GRUMBLING TODAY BECAUSE THEY HAD A BUDGET TARGET UP HERE A WEEK OUT AND ENDED UP DOWN HERE, BECAUSE THEY WE WENT BACK IN AND SAID, WHOA, WHAT ARE WE DOING, AND STARTED ROLLING BACK.

Borg: WE'LL TALK JUST A LITTLE BIT LATER ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE JUST RAISING HERE, BECAUSE IT RAISES IN MY MIND THERE MAYBE IS A POLITICAL COST TO BOTH PARTIES IN WHAT HAPPENED, AND I'LL RAISE THAT JUST A BIT LATER. BUT, MIKE, BEFORE WE DO, I WANT TO SURE THAT WE'VE WRUNG OUT THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND THE SHORTCOMINGS IN YOUR MIND.

Glover: ONE OF THE TOP PRIORITIES THAT GOVERNOR CULVER CAME INTO THIS SESSION WITH WAS WHAT HE CALLS HIS IOWA POWER FUND. THAT'S $100-MILLION FUND TO SPUR THE RENEWABLE FUELS INDUSTRY, $25 MILLION EACH OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS. THEY APPROVED THAT VIRTUALLY AS HE SOUGHT IT. SO WE'RE GOING TO POUR $25 MILLION A YEAR FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS INTO PROGRAMS AIMED AT SPARKING THE RENEWABLE FUELS INDUSTRY. AND THEY MADE A FUNDAMENTAL DECISION -- AN IMPORTANT FUNDAMENTAL DECISION. THEY DIDN'T DECIDE HOW TO SPEND THAT MONEY. THEY DECIDED TO CREATE A SPECIAL BOARD AND LEAVE IT UP TO THEM TO DECIDE HOW THAT MONEY WILL BE SPENT, WHAT PROGRAMS, WHAT FUNDING REQUESTS WILL BE MET. SO THEY IN ESSENCE APPROVED $100 MILLION AND SAID HERE'S $100 MILLION, YOU FIGURE OUT HOW TO SPEND IT.

Borg: NOW, IN YOUR MIND THAT'S AN ACCOMPLISHMENT. EVERYONE ELSE AGREE? I MEAN THAT'S A SUBJECTIVE JUDGMENT THAT THAT'S AN ACCOMPLISHMENT. WHY IS THAT AN ACCOMPLISHMENT?

Glover: IT'S A MEASURED REDIRECTION OF THE STATE'S EFFORT TO GROW THE RENEWABLE FUELS INDUSTRY, WHICH COULD BECOME A BIG FACTOR IN AN IOWA-BASED ENERGY ECONOMY.

Beck: YOU BETTER HOPE THAT BOARD, THOUGH, IS REALLY SMART AND KNOWS WHERE TO PUT THAT MONEY, BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. AND IT'S -- IT'S SCATTER SHOT, YOU KNOW, ACROSS BOARD OF HOW TO SPEND IT, AND SO YOU BETTER HOPE THAT THEY HAVE SOME REAL IDEAS OF HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET A RETURN ON THAT INVESTMENT BECAUSE IT'S DIFFICULT -- I MEAN IT'S PRETTY EASY TO THROW MONEY OUT TO GROUPS: HERE, GO RESEARCH THIS AND SEE IF WE CAN MAKE ANYTHING FLY. BUT TEN YEARS FROM NOW, YOU HAVE TO HOPE THAT SOMETHING STUCK AND YOU HAVE A NEW INDUSTRY IN IOWA OR SOMETHING NEW TO SHOW FOR THAT.

Yepsen: EVERY GOVERNOR AND LEGISLATURE IS AFTER THEIR BUMPER STICKER AND THEIR LINES FOR THEIR CAMPAIGN BROCHURE. REMEMBER THE LASER CENTER AT THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA? WE HAD TO HAVE THAT. IT TURNED OUT TO BE AN EMBARRASSMENT. THERE WAS THE VALUES FUND, THE BIG DEBATE WE HAD OVER THAT. A LOT OF CONTROVERSY ABOUT WHETHER THAT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. IT WOULD BE THE SAME QUESTIONS OVER THE POWER FUND. THE RENEWABLE FUELS INDUSTRY IS DOING QUITE WELL ON ITS OWN, SO THE CHALLENGE FOR THIS POWER FUND IS GOING TO BE DOING THINGS THAT WOULDN'T ALREADY HAPPEN. MAYBE SOME WORK ON RESEARCH ON CELLULOSIC ETHANOL, FOR EXAMPLE. THEN IT WILL BE A SUCCESS, AS MIKE HAS SUGGESTED.

Borg: BUT ISN'T THAT ALSO AN ONGOING COMMITMENT? YES, THEY APPROPRIATED SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS THIS TIME, BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH.

Beck: THERE'S THREE MORE YEARS OF IT. THERE'S $25 MILLION THIS YEAR AND $25 MILLION FOR THE NEXT THREE SO, YEAH.

Yepsen: DEAN, I THINK THE SESSION HAD A NUMBER OF SHORTCOMINGS THAT I DON'T WANT TO OVERLOOK HERE. THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEF: RECORD HIGHS; IT'S KILLING BUSINESS; THEY PROMISED TO DO SOMETHING; AND THEY FAILED TO DO ANYTHING ON IT. THEY DID NOT DO ANYTHING ON HOG ODORS AND WATER QUALITY. THEY ADDED SOME MORE MONEY FOR WATER QUALITY IS ALL. THE ISSUE OF DEALING WITH HOG ODORS IN THIS STATE IS STILL WITH US. DEMOCRATS -- MANY DEMOCRATS HAD RUN PROMISING LOCAL CONTROL. A LOT OF DEMOCRATIC CONSTITUENCY GROUPS THOUGHT THEY HEARD LOCAL CONTROL DURING THE CAMPAIGN. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. IT'S A TIGHT --

Borg: WHY DIDN'T IT HAPPEN?

Yepsen: WELL, BECAUSE IT'S A TOUGH BALANCING ACT, DEAN. PRODUCTION AGRICULTURE HAS SOME REAL RESERVATIONS ABOUT A PATCHWORK SYSTEM OF ZONING FOR HOG CONFINEMENTS, AND IOWA HAS GOT THIS TOUGH BALANCING ACT. WE WANT TO HAVE PRODUCTION AGRICULTURE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE WANT TO PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT. AND YOU CAN'T -- AND THOSE TWO THINGS ARE -- I THINK IT'S THE TOUGHEST BALANCING ACT OUR POLITICAL LEADERS FACE, AND THEY COULDN'T GET IT RESOLVED. THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THEY HAVE TO COME BACK WITH NEXT YEAR. A THIRD ONE WOULD BE ROAD FUNDS. IOWA HAS A SHORTAGE OF MONEY NECESSARY FOR ROAD CONSTRUCTION. WE NEED ROADS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO COME UP WITH THAT. GAS IS AT $3 A GALLON. CAN'T RAISE THE GAS TAX. I THINK THAT ISSUE -- I THINK THEY PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE TRIED TO ADDRESS THAT, AND THAT ISSUE WILL BE BACK.

Glover: AND THEN ALL OF THIS WILL BE MUCH MORE DIFFICULT NEXT YEAR BECAUSE NEXT YEAR IS AN ELECTION YEAR. AND THE POLITICAL DYNAMIC THAT WENT INTO ALL THOSE THINGS NOT HAPPENING WAS VERY SIMPLE. ONE OF THE BIGGEST PLACES WHERE DEMOCRATS MADE GAINS IN THE LAST ELECTION WAS THEY WON A LOT OF RURAL SEATS. SO YOU HAD A LOT OF MODERATE TO CONSERVATIVE, RURAL DEMOCRATS UP THERE, AND YOU START WAVING ISSUES LIKE FAIR SHARE, PREVAILING WAGE, UNION BACKING. THAT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THEY'RE INTERESTED IN. WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT REGULATING LIVESTOCK CONTROL, A LOT OF THOSE RURAL DEMOCRATS START SAYING, WHOA, YOU'RE GOING TO START REGULATING MY NEIGHBOR FARMER. AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO GET ANY EASIER NEXT YEAR BECAUSE NEXT YEAR IS GOING TO BE AN ELECTION YEAR AND ALL THOSE RURAL DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE GOING TO FACE THEIR LOCAL FARM BUREAU COUNTY CHAIRS.

Henderson: THE OTHER THING THAT THEY DID THAT DISAPPOINTED REALLY HARD-CORE ACTIVISTS IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS THEY DIDN'T CONSIDER PUBLIC FINANCING OF CAMPAIGNS. THERE WERE SOME HARD FEELINGS AMONG A SMALL GROUP, AND THAT SMALL GROUP DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S NOT BEEN A VERY BROAD DEBATE IN THE WAY THERE'S BEEN A BROAD DEBATE ABOUT LIVESTOCK ODOR, THERE'S BEEN A BROAD DEBATE ABOUT A NUMBER OF ISSUES. AND IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN UNTIL THAT BECOMES A CAMPAIGN ISSUE. IF YOU THINK BACK, DID CHET CULVER OR ANYONE ELSE RUNNING FOR STATEWIDE OFFICE MAKE THAT AN ISSUE IN THE FALL? NO. SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS NOT ON THE AGENDA ITEMS THAT THEY -- ON THEIR TO-DO LIST.

Borg: GO A BIT FURTHER ON THAT SMALL GROUP. GEOGRAPHICALLY CENTERED SO THAT --

Henderson: NO.

Borg: OKAY.

Henderson: NO, IT'S A SMALL GROUP OF ACTIVISTS WHO BELIEVE IN PUBLIC FINANCING THE CAMPAIGNS. THEY WANT TO GET, IN THEIR WORDS, SPECIAL INTERESTS OUT OF THE GAME.

Borg: WELL, LET'S EXTEND THAT THEN. POLITICAL IMPLICATIONS OF THAT, ARE THEY BIG ENOUGH, STRONG ENOUGH TO MAKE ANY CHANGE IN THE 2008 ELECTION?

Yepsen: THEY CAN MAKE A LOT OF NOISE. THERE'S A TOUGH BALANCING ACT THAT THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERS HAVE GOT TO PULL OFF HERE. ON THE ONE HAND, THEY TOOK CONTROL OF THE IOWA HOUSE, AS MIKE SAID, BY RECRUITING SOME CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRATS. SOME OF THEM ARE SO CONSERVATIVE, ONE OF THEM ACTUALLY BECAME A REPUBLICAN HERE THE DAY AFTER THE SESSION, DAWN PETTENGILL. SO WHEN YOU RECRUIT THOSE KIND OF DEMOCRATS AND YOU TAKE THE MAJORITY, THAT MEANS YOU CAN'T DO ALL THE STUFF THAT THE PARTY LIBERALS WANT YOU TO DO. LOCAL CONTROL GETS TO BE TOUGH. SPENDING PUBLIC MONEY FOR POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS, I MEAN A LOT OF TAXPAYERS DON'T WANT TO DO THAT WITH THE STATE'S MONEY. AND SO THE DEMOCRATS -- ONE OF THE CHALLENGES DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO HAVE IS TO BALANCE THESE TWO INTERESTS OFF BECAUSE THEY REALLY NEED BOTH FACTIONS IN ORDER TO KEEP CONTROL.

Henderson: AND IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE PUBLIC IS DOING, 'USA TODAY' HAD A GREAT STORY ABOUT THIS. FEWER THAN 10 PERCENT OF AMERICANS ARE SETTING ASIDE PART OF THEIR INCOME TAX RETURN FOR PUBLIC FINANCING OF THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN. SO IF YOU'VE GOT FEWER THAN 10 PERCENT OF AMERICANS WANTING TO DO THAT, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC EDUCATION CAMPAIGN IF THEY WANT TO ACHIEVE THAT GOAL.

Beck: AND THE INTERESTING THING IS YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE MINORITY OF THE MAJORITY IN THE LEGISLATURE HAS RULED WHEN A MAJORITY HOLDS ALL THREE. I REMEMBER WHEN TERRY BRANSTAD WAS IN OFFICE AND FINALLY GOT BOTH CHAMBERS REPUBLICAN CONTROL AND THINKING, WOW, WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME MAJOR CHANGES IN HIS FINAL TWO YEARS IN OFFICE. AND WE DIDN'T BECAUSE THE MODERATE REPUBLICANS HELD THE LINE AND SAID, 'NO, I'M NOT DOING THAT, I WON'T GIVE YOU THIS.' AND I THINK THIS YEAR YOU SAW SOME OF THE SAME THING. THEY GOT SOME OF THE BIG ISSUES THAT THE GOVERNOR HAD CAMPAIGNED ON THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE TOBACCO TAX, THE MINIMUM WAGE, STEM CELL RESEARCH, TEACHER PAY, THINGS THAT HE CAMPAIGNED ON. BUT THOSE ISSUES THAT NO ONE HAD CAMPAIGNED ON, TALKING ABOUT FAIR SHARE, THE MODERATES HELD FIRM AND SAID, 'NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT.' SO THE MODERATES IN THE PARTY CAN STOP THINGS UP, AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.

Yepsen: AND, DEAN, THAT GOES TO THE NATURE OF POLITICAL CHANGE IN OUR STATE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE A PRETTY TRADITIONAL STATE. WE'RE KIND OF CONSERVATIVE. WE DON'T MOVE FAST ENOUGH, MUCH TO THE FRUSTRATION OF A LOT OF US. THE IDEAS THAT MOVED ARE IDEAS THAT WERE SOLD TO IOWANS OVER A SEVERAL-YEAR PERIOD. A GOOD IDEA IN IOWA -- ANY IDEA IN IOWA HAS A TWO -- HAS A THREE-YEAR GESTATION PERIOD. CIGARETTE TAX, HOW LONG DID THEY WORK ON THAT? HOW LONG HAVE WE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TEACHER PAY IN IOWA? FINALLY THAT CAME TO FRUITION. THERE HAVE BEEN NO DISCUSSION IN THIS STATE ABOUT CHANGING THE RIGHT TO WORK LAW, ABOUT RAISING THE GAS TAX. THEY ROLLED THAT OUT TWO DAYS AFTER THE ELECTION AS IF THEY DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT IT. SO THERE HAVE BEEN A -- PUBLIC FUNDING OF ELECTIONS. THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES OUT THERE THAT MAY HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, BUT THE GROUPS THAT ARE FOR THEM ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO OUT AND SELL IOWANS FIRST.

Borg: MIKE, GO AHEAD.

Glover: WHICH IS WHY I THINK THAT THE NEXT SESSION OF THE LEGISLATURE IS GOING TO BE A PRETTY HO-HUM SESSION. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT THOSE THINGS THAT DIDN'T GET ACCOMPLISHED THIS SESSION ACCOMPLISHED NEXT SESSION, BECAUSE THEY CAME CHARGING IN HERE WITH SOME ENTHUSIASM, SOME ENERGY, SOME MOMENTUM: WE'RE IN THE MAJORITY NOW; LET'S TACKLE THESE THINGS; LET'S DO THEM. SOME OF THESE ISSUES JUST BECAME TOO BIG TO HANDLE.

Borg: WELL, GO AHEAD AND NAME SOME OF THOSE.

Glover: FAIR SHARE, WHICH IS WHERE IF YOU'RE A NONUNION MEMBER OF A BARGAINING UNIT, THE UNION CAN COLLECT A FEE FROM YOU FOR PROVIDING SERVICES TO YOU.

Borg: NOT UNION DUES, NOT GUTTING 14B.

Glover: RIGHT. BUT CHANGING IT. THERE WAS A SUGGESTION THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO PAY THE PREVAILING WAGE ON PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN THIS YEAR. I DON'T THINK IT WILL HAPPEN NEXT YEAR. I DON'T THINK FAIR SHARE WILL HAPPEN NEXT YEAR. PROPERTY TAX REFORM, DEALING WITH COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TAXES, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN THIS YEAR FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. I DON'T THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT YEAR, ALTHOUGH THERE WAS A FIG LEAF THAT WAS TROTTED OUT THIS YEAR TO SPEND $25 MILLION TO BEGIN SOLVING WHAT IS A BILLION-DOLLAR PROBLEM. SOMETHING LIKE THAT MIGHT PASS NEXT YEAR, BUT FUNDAMENTALLY DEALING WITH THE ISSUE, NO, BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A PUBLIC CAMPAIGN ON: HERE'S WHAT THE PROBLEM IS; HERE'S HOW WE SOLVE IT; LET'S GO ATTACK IT.

Yepsen: AND I THINK THIS IS WHERE THE GOVERNOR HAS TO STEP FORWARD AS LEADER OF HIS PARTY AND LEADER OF THE STATE AND PUT SOME ISSUES OUT THERE AND START CAMPAIGNING ON THEM OVER THE SUMMER AND FALL TO START SELLING IOWANS ON THESE ITEMS, WHATEVER IT IS. THERE'S ONE IDEA THAT'S FLOATING AROUND OUT THERE THAT MIKE GRONSTAL IS PUSHING -- YOU PAY ATTENTION TO THE THINGS MIKE GRONSTAL IS PUSHING -- GET RID OF THE LOCAL OPTION SALES TAXES FOR SCHOOLS; GO TO A STATEWIDE TAX, IT RAISES YOU MONEY FOR THE ROAD FUNDS, WHICH HELPS SOLVE THAT PROBLEM; IT GIVES YOU $50- TO $60 MILLION TO HELP BALANCE THE BUDGET, MAYBE PROVIDE PROPERTY TAX RELIEF. IT IS A BIG, COMPLICATED POLITICAL DEAL, BUT HE HAD THE SENATE WILLING TO DO IT. I THINK THAT COULD BE A CENTERPIECE IN THE NEXT SESSION.

Borg: WHY IS THAT COMPLICATED POLITICALLY? WHAT'S AGAINST IT?

Yepsen: THERE'S SO MANY PIECES OF IT, AND IT'S COMPLICATED. YOU'RE DEALING WITH TAX POLICY. YOU'RE DEALING WITH SCHOOL FINANCE POLICY, ROAD FORMULAS. THOSE ARE DIFFICULT. AND SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ARGUE IT'S A TAX INCREASE.

Beck: WELL, AND PART OF THE PROBLEM WAS IT CAME UP AT THE END OF THE SESSION, THIS POSSIBLE COMPROMISE ON THIS. AND HE WOULDN'T PROMISE THAT ALL THE MONEY THAT WAS RAISED WOULD GO INTO JUST SCHOOLS AND ROAD FUND. SOME OF THAT, THEY FOUND OUT, MIGHT BE SIPHONED OFF FOR WHAT THEY CALL THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH CAN BE SPENT ANY WAY THEY WANT. AND THERE WERE REPUBLICANS WHO SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. SO HE HAS TO COMMIT THAT THAT MONEY IS GOING TO GO STRICTLY TO SCHOOLS AND TO ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THEN MAYBE -- MAYBE NEXT YEAR HE CAN GET IT.

Glover: AND I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS SPEND THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS LISTENING TO WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE SAYING, LISTENING TO WHAT GOVERNOR CULVER IS SAYING AS HE TRAVELS AROUND THE STATE, LISTENING TO WHAT MIKE GRONSTAL IS SAYING AS HE TRAVELS AROUND THE STATE, BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN -- THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION IS HISTORY. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ITS ACCOMPLISHMENTS. THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION WILL DO WHAT LEADERS LIKE MIKE GRONSTAL AND CHET CULVER DECIDE THEY WANT IT TO DO. AND I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START, OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, SELLING THE PEOPLE ON WHAT THEIR NEXT AGENDA OUGHT TO BE. SO LET'S PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. IS GOVERNOR CULVER TRAVELING AROUND THE STATE TALKING ABOUT THIS STATEWIDE SALES TAX? IS HE TRYING TO SELL THAT AT LOCAL KIAWANIS CLUB MEETINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT?

Henderson: ONE OF THE MOST FASCINATING MOMENTS OF THE LAST 15 1/2 HOUR DAY OF THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION WAS A MOMENT WHEN JACK KIBBIE STOOD BEHIND A BANK OF MICROPHONES AND TALKED ABOUT THIS GAS TAX, THE PROBLEM, AND THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION FUND. AND A FEW MOMENTS LATER, KEVIN MCCARTHY, WHO IS THE HEAD OF DEMOCRATS IN THE IOWA HOUSE, SAID WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN RAISING TAXES, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE INTERESTED IN RAISING TAXES --

Beck: ESPECIALLY THE GAS TAX.

Henderson: -- IN AN ELECTION YEAR. SO THERE'S A REAL TENSION WITHIN THAT PARTY ABOUT THAT ISSUE.

Borg: JENEANE, I STARTED THE PROGRAM WITH THE WORDS 'COUNTING THE COST,' AND I WAS REALLY IMPLYING THERE POLITICAL COST, AND WE'VE REFERRED TO IT SEVERAL TIMES HERE. I WANT TO FOCUS ON IT RIGHT NOW, POLITICAL COST TO BOTH PARTIES OF WHAT WAS ACCOMPLISHED AND NOT ACCOMPLISHED DURING THIS SESSION. I'VE WRITTEN SOME THINGS HERE OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID. REPUBLICANS HAD A ROLE IN STOPPING -- I THINK MIKE MADE THAT COMMENT -- BEING THEIR ROLE IS STOPPING SOME LEGISLATION. WELL, THAT CAN BE LOOKED ON AS OBSTRUCTIONIST. DOES THAT HAVE A POLITICAL COST? SOMEBODY ELSE MENTIONED THE HOUSE CHOKE POINT IN GETTING LEGISLATION THROUGH. SOMEONE ELSE AND DAVE MENTIONED MONEY SPENT AND LARGE BUDGET THIS TIME. POLITICAL IMPLICATIONS IN ALL OF THOSE FOR BOTH PARTIES AND SOME OTHER THINGS?

Beck: WELL, I DON'T THINK REPUBLICANS FACE POLITICAL COST FOR STOPPING THINGS UP BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEIR PARTY WANTS THEM TO DO. THEY PREFER LESS GOVERNMENT. THEY SENT THEM THERE TO KEEP SPENDING DOWN OR TO KEEP TAXES DOWN, AND SO THEY CAN PUT OUT CAMPAIGN BROCHURES SAYING: LOOK, WE HELD THE LINE ON THIS, THIS, AND THIS; YEAH, SPENDING WENT UP, BUT THERE WAS NOTHING WE COULD DO ABOUT THAT. SO I DON'T THINK THEY'LL FACE MUCH POLITICAL COST FOR THAT. I THINK THE ONE ISSUE THAT COULD -- THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO ME TO SEE IF THERE'S A POLITICAL COST IS THE FACT THAT THEY DID NOTHING ON HOG CONFINEMENTS/THE ENVIRONMENT AND MERGING THOSE TWO TO MAKE SURE SOMETHING IS DONE BECAUSE, AS DAVE SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT DEMOCRATS STOOD FOR LOCAL CONTROL. SO WILL THEY GO OUT AND WORK FOR THEM A YEAR FROM NOW WHEN THEY REALIZED THOSE DEMOCRATS AREN'T GOING TO GIVE THEM THAT? I THINK THAT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE.

Yepsen: IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER TOO, DEAN, THAT WE'RE AT A MIDPOINT IN THE SESSION. I MEAN THERE'S A WHOLE OTHER SESSION TO GO BEFORE THEY HAVE TO FACE THE VOTERS HERE, EITHER PARTY. I DO THINK THE ENVIRONMENT IS A SHORTCOMING THEY HAVE TO ADDRESS IN THE NEXT SESSION IN SOME FASHION. IF YOU CAN'T DO LOCAL CONTROL, DO SOME WATER QUALITY, DO SOME MORE SPENDING FOR THE ENVIRONMENT, DO SOMETHING TO APPEASE THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, BECAUSE IT'S A QUALITY OF LIFE THING IN IOWA. I THINK IT'S AN OPEN QUESTION WHETHER -- I THINK THE BIG POLITICAL STORY IS GOING TO BE THE BATTLE FOR THE IOWA HOUSE. AFTER WE GET RID OF THIS PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN, THE STATE IS GOING TO BE PRETTY BORING FOR SOME OF US OUT HERE. TOM HARKIN IS GOING TO GET RECORONATED. THE POLITICAL STORY IS GOING TO BE THE BATTLE FOR THE IOWA HOUSE, AND IT'S AN OPEN QUESTION RIGHT NOW WHETHER THE REPUBLICANS CAN MUSTER ENOUGH STRENGTH AND HARNESS SOME OF THIS ANGER THAT THEIR CORE HAS, THEIR BASE HAS OVER SPENDING, DOING THIS GAY RIGHTS THING. THE SCARE THAT THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY HAS REALIZED OVER FAIR SHARE AND ALL THIS UNION STUFF HAS REALLY ENERGIZED THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. WHETHER THAT'S GOING TO BE ENOUGH TO GET REPUBLICANS THE THREE OR FOUR SEATS THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO TAKE CONTROL OR WHETHER 2008 IS GOING TO BE SUCH A GOOD YEAR FOR DEMOCRATS THAT THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERS WILL ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO INCREASE THEIR MAJORITY AND WE'LL SEE SOME OF THESE THINGS BECOME LAW IN 2009, I THINK THAT'S A BIG OPEN QUESTION IN IOWA POLITICS.

Glover: AND THE PROBLEM I THINK DEMOCRATS CREATED FOR THEMSELVES AND IT'S A PROBLEM I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO EVENTUALLY HAVE TO FACE IS UNIONS. UNIONS ARE NOT VERY HAPPY WITH THIS DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY.

Borg: WHERE ELSE ARE THE UNION PEOPLE GOING TO GO? THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

Glover: DEAN, IT'S NOT A MATTER OF WHERE THEY GO. IT'S A MATTER OF HOW ENTHUSIASTIC AND HOW ENERGETIC THEY ARE IN LOOKING FOR PEOPLE. IN OTHER WORDS, IF I'M A UNION RANK AND FILE GUY AND MY TWO TOP PRIORITIES UP THERE WERE GETTING A FAIR SHARE BILL AND GETTING A PREVAILING WAGE BILL, WHEN I START GETTING PHONE CALLS IN THE FALL OF 2008 FROM DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATORS SAYING, 'HEY, YOU GOT A FEW BUCKS FOR ME, CAN YOU COME OUT AND KNOCK ON SOME DOORS FOR ME,' YOU CAN SAY, 'HEY, WHY SHOULD I? YOU DIDN'T DO MY PRIORITIES.' SO MAYBE I'D HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO. MAYBE (A) I STAY HOME IN A LITTLE HIGHER PERCENTAGE, MAYBE I DON'T KICK IN AS MUCH MONEY AS I DID BEFORE, OR MAYBE I'M JUST NOT QUITE AS ENERGIZED.

Yepsen: THE TOUGH REALITY FOR LABOR UNIONS IS THEY DON'T HAVE THE CLOUT THEY USED TO HAVE. THAT'S JUST A NUMERICAL FACT. DEMOCRATIC LEADERS KNOW THAT AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO BOW TO THE BECK AND CALL OF LABOR LEADERS LIKE THEY USED TO.

Beck: AND DEMOCRATS HAVE A COUPLE OF CONSTITUENCIES THAT DON'T GO TO THE POLLS. I MEAN THEY PASSED -- THEY INCREASED THE EARNED INCOME TAX CREDIT. WELL, MOST IOWANS -- AVERAGE IOWANS DON'T QUALIFY FOR THAT. THAT'S A LOW INCOME TAX CREDIT THAT IS GOING TO HELP SOME LOW INCOME FAMILIES, BUT THOSE AREN'T THE PEOPLE GOING OUT TO THE POLLS AND THEY'RE CERTAINLY NOT THE PEOPLE KNOCKING ON DOORS A LOT OF THE TIMES. IT ALSO HELPS SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE PUTTING THEIR KIDS THROUGH COLLEGE. BECAUSE THE REVENUE WAS UP, THEY COULD GIVE MORE TO THE UNIVERSITIES AND SORT OF PROMISE THAT INCREASES WOULD HOLD THE LINE AROUND TUITION AT INFLATION VERSUS DOUBLE-DIGIT INCREASES. BUT AGAIN, ARE THOSE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO GO TO THE POLLS LIKE A UNION WORKER? MAYBE NOT.

Glover: AND I THINK DAVE TOUCHED ON A GOOD POINT. I THINK THE REAL OVERRIDING QUESTION FOR 2008 WILL BE THE POLITICAL CLIMATE. IT'S GOING TO BE A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION YEAR. RIGHT NOW -- THINGS COULD CHANGE. RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A PRETTY GOOD YEAR FOR DEMOCRATS. YOU HAVE A SITTING REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT WHOSE APPROVAL RATINGS ARE AT HISTORIC LOWS. YOU'VE GOT A WAR BEING FOUGHT THAT MOST POLLS SHOW AMERICANS DON'T LIKE. CONTROL OF THE IOWA LEGISLATURE COULD TURN ON IRAQ BECAUSE THAT COULD BE THE DOMINANT FEATURE OF THE AMERICAN POLITICAL CLIMATE.

Yepsen: BECAUSE IT ENERGIZES THE DEMOCRATIC BASE. WE'RE ALREADY SEEING THAT THE DEMOCRATIC CROWDS AT PRESIDENTIAL EVENTS ARE FAR LARGER THAN REPUBLICAN CROWDS, AND THE REPUBLICAN BASE COULD JUST STAY HOME. I THINK THE LABOR MOVEMENT WILL BE BIG IN THIS CAMPAIGN BECAUSE IOWA WILL BE A BATTLE GROUND STATE AND THEY'LL BE WORKING HARD. I THINK THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT SORE NOW, BUT IN THE FINAL ANALYSIS, THE DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO BE AT THE POLLS IN 2008. REPUBLICANS MAY BE -- UNLESS THEY CAN FIND SOME WAY TO GET FIRED UP -- MAYBE IF THE DEMOCRATS NOMINATE HILLARY CLINTON THAT WILL BE ENOUGH OF AN INSPIRATION. BUT UNLESS THAT REPUBLICAN BASE CAN GET FIRED UP, THE PROBLEM REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO BE HAVING IS GETTING THEIR BASE VOTE OUT.

Borg: KAY, YOU STARTED TO SAY SOMETHING.

Henderson: THIS IS JUST AN OBSERVATION. THEY'RE AN UNUSUAL UNION SORT OF SHAPING UP BETWEEN VERY CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IMMIGRATION AND UNIONS. THERE SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF LINKAGE WHEREBY PEOPLE ARGUING, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE PREVAILING WAGE THAT YOU HAVE BUSINESSES COME IN WHO EMPLOY UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS AND THEY CAN MAKE BIDS FOR PUBLIC PROJECTS THAT ARE MUCH LOWER BECAUSE THEY'RE PAYING WORKERS FROM OTHER COUNTRIES -- THESE UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS MUCH LESS. SO THAT'S AN UNUSUAL UNION THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD COME TO ANY FRUITION, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING FOUR US TO WATCH.

Borg: MIKE, I WANT TO JUST MENTION THE CAUCUSES AND THE FLUIDITY IN THE DATES WITH FLORIDA NOW TAKING ACTION.

Glover: WE'RE IN -- WE'RE IN OUR QUADRENNIAL BATTLE OVER THE CAMPAIGN CALENDAR. THERE'S TALK THAT NEW HAMPSHIRE MIGHT MOVE. THERE'S TALK THAT FLORIDA MIGHT MOVE UP. THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT IOWA WOULD DO IN THOSE CASES. THAT WON'T GET SOLVED UNTIL NEXT FALL WHEN THE SECRETARY OF STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE DECIDES WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE NEW HAMPSHIRE PRIMARY, AND THEN EVERYBODY WILL BE ADJUST TO THAT.

Yepsen: YOU COULD SEE THE CAUCUSES EARLY IN DECEMBER, WHICH WOULD BE GREAT; WE'D ALL GET TO ENJOY OUR CHRISTMAS.

Borg: BUT THE WORD IS DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW.

Glover: DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT NOW. NOT UNTIL NEXT FALL.

Borg: ALL RIGHT. THANKS FOR YOUR INSIGHTS. ON OUR NEXT EDITION OF 'IOWA PRESS,' PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN INSIGHT FROM KANSAS SENATOR SAM BROWNBACK. HE IS LOOKING FOR REPUBLICAN CAUCUS SUPPORT, SEEKING THE GOP'S PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATION. YOU'LL SEE SENATOR BROWNBACK AT OUR USUAL 'IOWA PRESS' AIRTIMES: 7:30 FRIDAY NIGHT AND 11:30 SUNDAY MORNING. I'M DEAN BORG. THANKS FOR JOINING US TODAY.

FUNDING FOR THIS PROGRAM WAS PROVIDED BY 'FRIENDS,' THE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION FOUNDATION; BY THE IOWA BANKERS ASSOCIATION... FOR PERSONAL, BUSINESS, AND COMMERCIAL NEEDS, IOWA BANKS HELP IOWANS REACH THEIR FINANCIAL GOALS; AND BY THE ASSOCIATED GENERAL CONTRACTORS OF IOWA, THE PUBLIC'S PARTNER IN BUILDING IOWA'S HIGHWAY, BRIDGE, AND MUNICIPAL UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE.


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