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Iowa Board of Regents Members Bonnie Campbell and David Miles

posted on May 18, 2007

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Borg: NEW PERSPECTIVES... THE IOWA BOARD OF REGENTS HAS FOUR NEW MEMBERS. A CONVERSATION WITH TWO NEW REGENTS, BONNIE CAMPBELL AND DAVID MILES, ON THIS EDITION OF 'IOWA PRESS.'

FUNDING FOR THIS PROGRAM WAS PROVIDED BY 'FRIENDS,' THE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION FOUNDATION; BY THE IOWA BANKERS ASSOCIATION... FOR PERSONAL, BUSINESS, AND COMMERCIAL NEEDS, IOWA BANKS HELP IOWANS REACH THEIR FINANCIAL GOALS; AND BY THE ASSOCIATED GENERAL CONTRACTORS OF IOWA, THE PUBLIC'S PARTNER IN BUILDING IOWA'S HIGHWAY, BRIDGE, AND MUNICIPAL UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE.

ON STATEWIDE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION, THIS IS THE FRIDAY, MAY 18 EDITION OF 'IOWA PRESS.' HERE IS DEAN BORG.

Borg: COMING INTO OFFICE FOUR MONTHS AGO, GOVERNOR CHET CULVER WAS FACING CONTROVERSY SURROUNDING THE STATE'S BOARD OF REGENTS AND A RESIGNATION VACANCY AND THREE EXPIRING TERMS. GOVERNOR CULVER CHOOSING TO APPOINT FOUR NEW REGENTS, GIVING THE BOARD A NEAR 50-PERCENT TURNOVER. THE NINE-MEMBER REGENTS BOARD OVERSEES THE EDUCATION OF NEARLY 70,000 STUDENTS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA IN IOWA CITY, IOWA STATE UNIVERSITY IN AMES, THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTHERN IOWA IN CEDAR FALLS, THE IOWA BRAILLE AND SIGHT SAVING SCHOOL IN VINTON, AND THE IOWA SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF IN COUNCIL BLUFFS. AND THE REGENTS ALSO CONVENING AS A BOARD OF TRUSTEES FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA HOSPITALS AND CLINICS. IN ALL, THE REGENTS OVERSEEING A $3.4-BILLION ANNUAL BUDGET, A STEEP LEARNING CURVE FOR NEW REGENTS. THE BOARD'S MAY MEETING WAS THE FIRST FOR OUR GUESTS. DAVID MILES OF DES MOINES, JUST APPOINTED TO A SIX-YEAR TERM. THE BOARD ELECTED HIM AS PRESIDENT PRO TEM AT THE FIRST MEETING. AND FORMER IOWA ATTORNEY GENERAL AND GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE BONNIE CAMPBELL IS BEGINNING A FOUR-YEAR TERM ON THE BOARD. WELCOME BACK TO 'IOWA PRESS.'

Campbell: THANK YOU. HAPPY TO BE HERE.

Borg: IT'S NICE TO HAVE YOU HERE. WE LOOK FORWARD TO A GOOD CONVERSATION WITH OUR QUESTIONERS: 'RADIO IOWA' NEWS DIRECTOR KAY HENDERSON AND 'ASSOCIATED PRESS' SENIOR POLITICAL WRITER MIKE GLOVER.

Glover: MS. CAMPBELL, LET'S START WITH YOU. THE CONTROVERSY THAT PRECEDED YOUR APPOINTMENT TO THE BOARD WAS OVER A SEARCH FOR A NEW PRESIDENT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA. THE FIRST SEARCH FAILED. A SECOND SEARCH IS NOW UNDERWAY. TELL US WHERE THAT SECOND SEARCH IS. AND ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THE PROGRESS SO FAR?

Campbell: WELL, I'M TOLD THAT THE SECOND SEARCH WILL PRODUCE, BY JULY 1, A VERY NARROW LIST OF HIGHLY QUALIFIED CANDIDATES. SO I'M VERY HAPPY WITH THAT TIMETABLE, AND I'M CONFIDENT THAT IT WILL BE MET. WE WERE ASSURED THAT WOULD HAPPEN AT OUR FIRST AND ONLY MEETING SO FAR. I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN A GREAT DEAL OF CONTROVERSY ABOUT WHETHER THE PROCESS SHOULD BE ENTIRELY OPEN OR PARTIALLY CONFIDENTIAL TO ACCOMMODATE THE CONCERNS OF CANDIDATES, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE SEARCH COMMITTEE HAS TRIED TO STRIKE A BALANCE. I DON'T WANT TO BE CRITICAL OF THAT, BUT I'M HIGHLY OPTIMISTIC THAT WE'LL GET SOME SUPERB CANDIDATES FROM WHICH TO BEGIN A VERY SERIOUS DECISION MAKING PROCESS.

Glover: MR. MILES, I'D LIKE TO GET YOU TO DEAL WITH THE QUESTION THAT MS. CAMPBELL RAISED ABOUT THE BALANCE YOU HAVE BETWEEN OPENNESS AND SECRECY IN THE SEARCH OF CANDIDATES. CANDIDATES TEND TO LIKE THE PROCESS TO BE RATHER CLOSED. THE PUBLIC TENDS TO LIKE IT TO BE RATHER OPEN. WHAT'S THE BALANCE THERE?

Miles: WELL, I THINK THE BALANCE STARTS, EXCUSE ME, FIRST OF ALL, WITH DOING WHAT'S LEGAL. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE COMMITTEE WAS ADVISED BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE THAT THEIR APPROACH WAS LEGAL. I THINK WE SHOULD ERR TO THE EXTENT THAT WE ERR IN ANY DIRECTION TOWARD OPENNESS, AND WE CERTAINLY SUPPORT THE GOVERNOR THERE. BUT THE REALITY OF THESE SEARCHES IS THEY ALL START CLOSED. THEY ALL START PRIVATE IN A SENSE THAT WE DON'T PUBLISH EVERYBODY'S RESUME THAT PUTS IN AN APPLICATION. AT SOME POINT IT NEEDS TO GO TO A PUBLIC PROCESS, AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO FINISH WITH A PUBLIC PROCESS.

Glover: AND WHAT IS A POINT WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE A PUBLIC PROCESS? WHEN HAVE YOU FINALISTS, SHOULD THE PUBLIC KNOW WHO THOSE FINALISTS ARE? AT WHAT POINT DOES IT BECOME PUBLIC?

Miles: I THINK ANYBODY WHO HAS A REALISTIC CHANCE OF BEING THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA SHOULD BE EXPOSED TO A PUBLIC PROCESS. SO I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO THE REGENTS, WHEN WE'RE -- WHEN WE'RE MAKING THAT FINAL SELECTION, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE A PUBLIC PROCESS.

Glover: AND, MS. CAMPBELL, THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU. STRIKE THAT BALANCE. DO YOU AGREE WITH HIS ASSESSMENT OF HOW PUBLIC IT HAS TO BE?

Campbell: I DO. AND PART OF MY UNDERSTANDING IS INFORMED BY MY HAVING CHAIRED THE GOVERNOR'S TRANSITION TEAM. MANY, MANY CANDIDATES WOULD CALL AND SAY, 'I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN THAT JOB, BUT IF I HAVE TO PUT MY NAME OUT PUBLICLY, I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT.' IN THAT INSTANCE, I SAID, 'WELL, THEN DON'T DO IT BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.' BUT I THINK THE SELECTION FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA IS SO CRITICAL. I CAN TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO THROW YOUR NAME OUT THERE AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO REACH THAT MAYBE I'M REALLY GOING TO GET THIS JOB POINT, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON FOR THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE TO HAVE -- TO DISCLOSE THAT THEY APPLIED. THERE ARE IMPLICATIONS FOR THEM ON THE OTHER SIDE, AND IT'S A VERY DELICATE BALANCE.

Glover: WELL, WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THIS ARGUMENT: IF YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR CAREER PLANS PRIVATE, WORK FOR IBM; BUT WHEN I'M PAYING YOUR SALARY, I WANT TO KNOW WHO'S APPLYING FOR THE JOB?

Campbell: I SAY THAT ALL SOUNDS WELL AND GOOD, BUT OUR GOAL IS TO GET THE MOST HIGHLY QUALIFIED, MOST TALENTED PRESIDENT FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA AS WE CAN, AND I THINK THE PROCESS TO DATE WILL GET US THERE. I'M VERY OPTIMISTIC THAT IT WILL.

Henderson: YOU'VE BOTH GONE TO ONE MEETING. YOU WERE BRIEFED, OBVIOUSLY, ON WHAT HAPPENED IN THE 2007 IOWA LEGISLATURE. MR. MILES, DO YOU THINK THAT THE LEGISLATURE MET THE GOALS THAT WERE OUTLINED BY THIS BOARD?

Miles: OH, I'M VERY PLEASED WITH THE GOVERNOR'S LEADERSHIP AND THE LEGISLATURE'S RESPONSE AS WELL IN TERMS OF FUNDING THE REGENTS INSTITUTIONS FOR THIS YEAR. I THINK IT EVIDENCES A TREMENDOUS COMMITMENT TO HIGHER EDUCATION IN THIS STATE AND TO THE YOUNG PEOPLE OF THIS STATE THAT ARE ATTENDING THE REGENTS INSTITUTIONS.

Henderson: SO WHAT DOES IT SIGNAL IN TERMS OF TUITION?

Miles: I DON'T THINK WE'VE MADE THE DETERMINATION AS TO TUITION YET, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I NEED TO SPEND SOME MORE TIME WITH. AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THAT WILL BE -- TUITION IS ACTUALLY, I THINK, A YEAR OUT, AND SO WE HAVEN'T BEGUN THOSE CONVERSATIONS. BUT MY HOPE IS THAT WE COULD -- THAT WE COULD DO MODERATE INCREASES IN TUITION, BUT BEYOND THAT, A SPECIFIC FIGURE I COULDN'T GIVE YOU.

Henderson: MS. CAMPBELL, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS AT THE LEGISLATURE AND AT THE REGENTS LEVEL: IF YOU LEGISLATORS GIVE US 'X' AMOUNT OF STATE TAX DOLLARS, WE WILL HOLD THE LINE ON TUITION INCREASES. DO YOU THINK WHAT WAS PROVIDED THIS YEAR IN TERMS OF STATE TAX DOLLAR SUPPORT FOR THE UNIVERSITIES WILL INDEED HOLD THE LINE AND GO TO THOSE MODERATE INCREASES YOUR COLLEAGUES SPOKE OF?

Campbell: I SURE HOPE SO. I HAVE ONE NEPHEW WHO JUST GRADUATED FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA, AND I GOT, AS A REGENT, TO SIT ON THE STAGE AND TAKE PART. I HAVE TWO NEPHEWS HEADING THERE. I KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO IOWA FAMILIES, SO I KNOW THAT THAT WILL BE A TOP COMMITMENT FOR ME TO KEEP ANY INCREASES, IF THERE ARE ANY, AS MODEST AS POSSIBLE.

Glover: MR. MILES, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A SORT OF A PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTION TO YOU. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TURMOIL ON THE BOARD OF REGENTS. YOU HAD A RESIGNATION AND YOU'VE GOT OPENINGS. YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE ANGRY ABOUT THIS INITIAL SEARCH. THERE'S TALK THAT THE BOARD MAY ACTUALLY HIRE A PUBLIC RELATIONS FIRM TO TRY TO BURNISH ITS IMAGE AROUND THE STATE. HOW DYSFUNCTIONAL IS THIS BOARD RIGHT NOW?

Miles: OH, THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION, HOW DYSFUNCTIONAL. I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT'S DYSFUNCTIONAL, AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS TO LOOK FORWARD AS TO THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ON. I WILL SAY WE HAVE A COUPLE OF IMMEDIATE NEEDS. ONE IS THE PRESIDENT SEARCH AT THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA. AND CERTAINLY WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT SECURITY AT ALL OF OUR CAMPUSES, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL BE DOING AS WELL. BUT IN THE NEAR TERM, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH ALL OF THE CONSTITUENCIES THAT HAVE AN INTEREST IN THE REGENTS INSTITUTIONS AND BUILD THOSE RELATIONSHIPS. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE WAY THAT I WOULD APPROACH IT. AND TO SAY THAT WE NEED TO WORK WITH STUDENTS AND FACULTY AND ADMINISTRATION AND ALUMNI AND INTERESTED CITIZENS IN THE STATE OF IOWA WHO CARE VERY MUCH ABOUT THESE UNIVERSITIES, SHOW THAT WE'RE LISTENING TO THEM, SHOW THAT WE RESPECT THEIR VIEWS, AND WORK COLLABORATIVELY AND COOPERATIVELY WITH THEM.

Glover: YOU MENTIONED SECURITY. HOW BIG OF AN ISSUE IS SECURITY? WE'VE HAD A LOT OF SHOOTINGS RECENTLY AT OTHER INSTITUTIONS. HOW SERIOUSLY DOES THIS BOARD TAKE SECURITY ON A COLLEGE CAMPUS?

Miles: WELL, I THINK VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY. AS I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE, WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT TASKS THAT WE HAVE -- THAT WE'VE OUTLINED. THE FIRST OF WHICH CAME UP IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRAGEDY AT VIRGINIA TECH WAS A RESPONSE READINESS KIND OF STUDY IS WHAT I'LL CALL IT. THAT'S DUE BACK TO US AND TO THE GOVERNOR BY JUNE 30, TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE AS PREPARED AS WE CAN BE SHOULD ANYTHING OCCUR. AND THEN THERE'S A LONGER TERM LOOK -- IT ISN'T A LONG-TERM LOOK, BUT A MORE IN-DEPTH REPORT, I GUESS IS THE WAY THAT I WOULD SAY THAT, THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS ASKED THAT WE PROVIDE BY OCTOBER 1. THAT LOOKS AT WHAT SORT OF CHANGES SHOULD WE MAKE AND MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS. AND I THINK BOTH OF THOSE ARE VERY IMPORTANT. AND IT'S CLEAR TO ME THAT THE ENTIRE BOARD OF REGENTS IS VERY FOCUSED ON THAT.

Henderson: WELL, DO EITHER OF YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON WHETHER THE CAMPUS SECURITY GUARDS SHOULD BE CARRYING WEAPONS? MS. CAMPBELL?

Campbell: I DO ACTUALLY. I DON'T SEE ANY NEED FOR IT, FOR A COUPLE REASONS. FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE DEALING WITH WORKPLACE VIOLENCE. IT'S PART OF WHAT I DID AT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IN THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION. I REMIND PEOPLE THAT THE GUARDS AT VIRGINIA TECH WERE ARMED, AND THAT CLEARLY DIDN'T RESOLVE WHAT WAS HAPPENING THERE OR PREVENT IT. THE OTHER THING IS IT GIVES A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY. OH, NOW, OKAY, LET'S JUST HAVE OUR GUARDS CARRY GUNS, AND THAT WILL SOLVE THE PROBLEM. IN REALITY, AS I WORKED WITH FBI AGENTS AND OTHERS WITH EXPERTISE IN THIS THIS FIELD, THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT YOU CAN DO TO ASSURE SAFETY OR AS MUCH AS THAT IS POSSIBLE IS HAVE A PLAN, A VERY DETAILED PLAN, LIKE SCHEMATICS OF BUILDINGS, AND TRAIN ON IT ALL THE TIME. EVERYBODY HAS GOT A PLAN. IT'S PROBABLY ON A SHELF IN SOME BOOKCASE SOMEWHERE, AND NO ONE HAS LOOKED AT IT. SO I THINK REALLY WE SHOULDN'T LOOK AT SYMBOLIC THINGS LIKE ARMING GUARDS.

Borg: DOES THAT INCLUDE TASER WEAPONS?

Campbell: I HAVEN'T THOUGHT THAT THROUGH, AND I MUST SAY I DON'T KNOW THE IMPLICATIONS OF TASERS. AND I WANT TO BE OPEN-MINDED, BUT MY IMPRESSION AT THE MOMENT IS THAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT WORKPLACE VIOLENCE. THIS IS WHERE STUDENTS WORK. IT'S WHERE FACULTY WORKS. MOST WORKPLACES DON'T HAVE ARMED GUARDS. SO I'M LOOKING AT WHAT IS A TYPICAL MODEL.

Glover: MR. MILES, DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT? SHOULD THE SECURITY GUARDS AT THE UNIVERSITIES BE ARMED?

Miles: AT THIS POINT I HAVEN'T MADE UP MY DECISION. I'D LIKE TO HEAR BACK FROM THE UNIVERSITIES AND HEAR WHAT THEIR APPROACHES ARE. THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE A LOT OF WORK DONE AT VIRGINIA TECH AND NATIONALLY BY A NUMBER OF INSTITUTIONS, AND SO I'D LIKE TO STUDY THAT. I AGREE WITH BONNIE THAT WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO HAVE A KNEE-JERK REACTION THAT SIMPLY MAKES US FEEL BETTER. BUT THAT AT VIRGINIA TECH DIDN'T REALLY HELP AND MAY NOT HELP HERE. AND I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ALSO ON IDENTIFYING INDIVIDUALS AT RISK AND HOW WE DEAL WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO MIGHT BE AT RISK OF DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS. BUT AS TO THE QUESTION OF WHETHER ULTIMATELY THEY SHOULD BE CARRYING WEAPONS, I'M JUST HAVING NOT -- I JUST HAVEN'T DECIDED YET.

Glover: UP UNTIL THIS POINT, THE UNIVERSITY HAS DECIDED THEY SHOULDN'T. DOES THAT CARRY ANY WEIGHT WITH YOU?

Miles: IT DOES BUT IT WILL CARRY MORE WEIGHT ONCE I UNDERSTAND WHY, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHY. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE TRAINED IN THE USE OF WEAPONS AND THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS TO WEAPONS, AND I THINK -- I'M NOT AS SURE ABOUT THIS, BUT I THINK THEY ACTUALLY CAN USE TASERS NOW. BUT I DON'T KNOW THE WHOLE DECISION MAKING PROCESS BEHIND THAT, AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT BETTER.

Glover: MS. CAMPBELL, IF WE COULD GO BACK TO YOU ON THIS QUESTION OF THIS DYSFUNCTIONAL BOARD OF REGENTS REACHING OUT TO A HIGHER PUBLIC RELATIONS FIRM. YOU'RE NEW TO THE BOARD BUT YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO OBSERVE IT. WHAT'S YOUR SENSE OF IS THIS BOARD FUNCTIONAL, DYSFUNCTIONAL?

Campbell: I SEE A GROUP OF PRETTY WELL INFORMED, OPINIONATED PEOPLE, NOW BASED ON ONE VERY LONG MARATHON MEETING. I HAVE TO AGREE WITH DAVID; I DIDN'T SEE THE DYSFUNCTION. I KNOW MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON THE BOARD, AND I CONSIDER THEM FRIENDS. IT'S CLEAR THEY DON'T ALWAYS AGREE. I DON'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH LOTS OF MY FRIENDS, BUT I DIDN'T SEE A DYSFUNCTIONAL BOARD. IN FACT, I REMEMBER IN ONE OF MY EARLY CONVERSATIONS WITH MICHAEL GARTNER, HIM POINTING OUT THAT NEARLY -- I DON'T KNOW, 99 PERCENT OF THE VOTES OF THE BOARD ARE UNANIMOUS. AND SO THERE WAS ONE VERY SERIOUS DETOUR AS IN THE PRESIDENTIAL SEARCH PROCESS FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA WHERE THINGS WENT WRONG. I HAVE TO BE VERY CANDID AND TELL YOU THAT I'M NOT SURE I KNOW TO THIS DAY EXACTLY WHAT WENT WRONG. AND I'VE DECIDED THAT IT'S NOT WORTH MY TIME TO FIGURE THAT OUT, BUT RATHER WE NEED TO LOOK FORWARD AND AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE GET ALL OF THAT BEHIND US.

Henderson: THERE ARE A LOT OF STUDENTS WHO ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO A LOT OF COLLEGE DEBT WHEN THEY GRADUATE, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SURFACED NATIONWIDE IS A CONCERN ABOUT KICKBACKS BEING PAID TO COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY BY PEOPLE WHO MARKET COLLEGE LOANS. CAN BOTH OF YOU ASSURE IOWA STUDENTS AND IOWA PARENTS WHO ARE SENDING STUDENTS TO THOSE THREE UNIVERSITIES THAT THERE ARE NO SUCH KICKBACKS IN THE STATE OF IOWA IN PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS? MR. MILES?

Miles: CERTAINLY MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT -- IS THAT THERE AREN'T ANY AT THIS POINT. AND THE -- I AM PLEASED THAT IOWA STATE, WHICH I'M NOT GOING TO CHARACTERIZE WHAT THEY WERE DOING IS KICKBACKS AT ALL, BUT IN ACCEPTING THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES THAT THEY WERE ACCEPTING AT ONE POINT, BUT THEY DISCONTINUED THAT PROCESS. I'M PLEASED THAT THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA AND THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTHERN IOWA ARE NOT DOING IT AT THIS POINT. BUT TO THE POINT OF AFFORDABILITY ON LOANS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I AM VERY FOCUSED ON. AND I THINK HIGHER EDUCATION CAN INDEED BE TRANSFORMATIVE FOR PEOPLE WHO ATTEND COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES AND OUR REGENTS INSTITUTIONS. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME THAT WE PROVIDE ACCESS TO INDIVIDUALS WHO CAN ATTEND OUR UNIVERSITIES AND PROSPER THERE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEIR FINANCIAL NEED IS. AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO WORK HARD ON AS A BOARD OF REGENTS GOING FORWARD.

Glover: MS. CAMPBELL, ANOTHER QUESTION THAT YOU WILL DEAL WITH AS A REGENT IS STANDARDS FOR GETTING INTO IOWA'S COLLEGES. ARE IOWA'S ADMISSION STANDARDS WHERE THEY NEED TO BE RIGHT NOW? SHOULD THEY BE HIGHER? ARE SHOULD THEY BE LOWER? ARE WE DENYING ACCESS TO STUDENTS? WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT ADMISSION STANDARDS?

Campbell: I THINK I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH PROBABLY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ADEQUATELY. WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED STANDARDS, AT LEAST I HAVEN'T. NOW, ANECDOTALLY, I HAVE HAD ANY NUMBER OF PEOPLE COME UP TO ME AND SAY, YOU KNOW, MY CHILD WAS A 3.7 STUDENT AND COULDN'T GET INTO GRADUATE SCHOOL AT IOWA. I'M PERPLEXED BY THAT BUT I REALLY DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT WHERE WE ARE NOW TO ANSWER. BUT I'LL LOOK AT IT.

Glover: MR. MILES, THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU.

Miles: YOU KNOW, I'M PROBABLY IN THE SAME PLACE AS BONNIE IS ON THAT. I'M PLEASED THAT WE HAVE 48,000 IOWANS ATTENDING OUR REGENTS INSTITUTIONS, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S TERRIFIC. BUT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE STANDARDS QUESTION IN ENOUGH DETAIL YET TO ANSWER YOU.

Borg: IN THAT REGARD TO BOTH OF YOU, MR. MILES FIRST, MS. CAMPBELL SAYS SHE'S PERPLEXED BY SOME OF THE STANDARDS AND HOW THEY -- THE RIPPLE EFFECT. ONE OF THE RIPPLE EFFECTS IS THAT THE UNIVERSITIES INCREASINGLY ARE DEPENDING ON OUT-OF-STATE STUDENTS FOR THE INCREASED TUITION AND SUPPORT. DOES THAT SORT OF BOTHER YOU THAT IOWA STUDENTS MAY BE TURNED AWAY BY HIGHER STANDARDS -- GUARANTEED ADMISSION BECAUSE OF THE CHANGING IN STANDARDS IN STATE LAW? DOES THAT BOTHER YOU THAT MAYBE THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA HAS OPENED A DOWNTOWN OFFICE IN CHICAGO TO RECRUIT STUDENTS FROM THERE WHILE IOWA STUDENTS MAY BE TURNED AWAY?

Miles: ON THE SURFACE I'M NOT BOTHERED BY IT. I KNOW THAT OUT-OF-STATE TUITION AT THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA IS SOMETHING LIKE $20,000 A YEAR COMPARED TO $6,000 OR SO FOR IN-STATE STUDENTS. AND AGAIN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT ALL QUALIFIED IN-STATE STUDENTS ARE ADMITTED, SO MY SENSE AT THIS POINT IS THAT NO ONE IS BEING -- NO IOWA STUDENTS ARE BEING BUMPED OUT BY OUT-OF-STATE STUDENTS. AND THAT'S SOMETHING I NEED TO ASSURE MYSELF OF. BUT IN THE ABSENCE OF, YOU KNOW, PROOF OF THAT, THAT SOMEONE IS BEING BUMPED OUT BY AN OUT-OF-STATE STUDENT, I WOULDN'T BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

Borg: MS. CAMPBELL, THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU. YOU USED THE WORD PERPLEXED. DOES THAT ALSO PERPLEX YOU ABOUT OUT-OF-STATE STUDENTS VERSUS IN STATE?

Campbell: I WAS AMAZED THAT YOU CHARACTERIZED MY USE OF THE WORD PERPLEXED ABSOLUTELY ACCURATELY, BECAUSE THAT IS ANECDOTALLY WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ACCURATE OR NOT. THERE ARE LOTS OF OCCASIONS WHEN PEOPLE HAVE ISOLATED INCIDENTS THAT ARE NOT REFLECTIVE OF WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING ON. IT WOULD TROUBLE ME IF I THOUGHT THAT QUALIFIED IOWA STUDENTS WERE NOT GETTING THE SAME OPPORTUNITY, BECAUSE I WOULD THEN CONSIDER THAT TO BE BASED UPON THE DIFFERENTIAL IN TUITION FEES.

Henderson: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING ADMINISTRATION STANDARDS, YET THESE INSTITUTIONS STILL TEACH REMEDIAL CLASSES FOR INCOMING STUDENTS WHO MAY NOT HAVE THE MATH SKILLS TO SUCCEED IN AN OPENING LEVEL MATH COURSE AT THE UNIVERSITY LEVEL. SHOULD THOSE UNIVERSITIES BE TEACHING REMEDIAL CLASSES, MR. MILES?

Miles: I THINK THEY SHOULD BE TEACHING REMEDIAL CLASSES WHERE THEY'RE NECESSARY, BUT WHAT I'D RATHER FOCUS ON IS THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE BY -- BEING LED RIGHT NOW BY PRESIDENT ALLEN FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTHERN IOWA, PARTNERING WITH THE K-12 SYSTEM, AS WELL AS -- AS WELL AS OTHER UNIVERSITIES IN THE STATE OF IOWA ON MATH AND SCIENCE EDUCATION AND MAKING SURE THAT OUR HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATES COME IN AS WELL PREPARED AS THEY CAN BE. AND I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. IT'S NEARLY GOING. WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW IT'S GOING TO COME OUT, BUT I THINK THAT'S GOOD WORK.

Henderson: IS THERE A POINT AT WHICH THESE UNIVERSITIES SHOULD DISCONTINUE REMEDIAL CLASSES, MS. CAMPBELL?

Campbell: SURE, AT THE TIME THAT IT'S NOT NEEDED. SOMEONE HAS TO TEACH THE TEACHERS, AND I THINK THIS MATH AND SCIENCE INITIATIVE AT UNI IS AN ATTEMPT TO DO THAT, BECAUSE THERE IS A ROLE FOR THE REGENTS INSTITUTIONS IN ELEVATING THE SCHOLASTIC ACHIEVEMENT OF ALL OF OUR STUDENTS.

Glover: MR. MILES, THERE IS A DISCUSSION AMONG SOME WHO ARGUE THAT PROFESSORS AT THE STATE'S UNIVERSITY ARE PAID LESS THAN PROFESSORS AT OTHER UNIVERSITIES AND THAT WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE RETAINING QUALITY FACULTY. WHAT'S YOUR SENSE ABOUT PROFESSOR PAY?

Miles: FROM THE STATISTICS THAT I SAW AT THE FIRST MEETING, IT'S CLEAR THAT IT'S TRUE, AND SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS. AS I RECALL, I DON'T RECALL EACH UNIVERSITY WITH GREAT PRECISION, BUT I THINK IT'S A FAIR STATEMENT TO SAY OVERALL OUR FACULTY ARE BELOW MEDIAN. AND WHEN YOU HAVE A SITUATION LIKE THAT -- AND THIS IS IS COMPARED TO A PEER GROUP, A GROUP THAT WE WOULD EXPECT THEM TO BE ATTRACTED TO OR THAT WE COMPETE FOR STUDENTS WITH. TO THE EXTENT THAT WE'RE PAYING BELOW MEDIAN, WE PUT OURSELVES AT RISK OF LOSING OUR BEST PROFESSORS, SO IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE WORKING AT.

Glover: AND, MS. CAMPBELL, WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THE AVERAGE WORKING STIFF WHO WORKS 4O HOURS A WEEK AND GETS A LOT LESS THAN A COLLEGE PROFESSOR WHO SAYS, 'WHY WOULD I PAY A COLLEGE PROFESSOR $80,000 A YEAR TO WORK TEN HOURS A WEEK'?

Campbell: WELL, THERE ARE SO MANY EXAMPLES OF PAY DISPARITY THAT WE COULD POINT TO. I WOULD SAY, BECAUSE THIS WOULD COME FROM MY HEART, PEOPLE WHO TEACH HAVE A VERY SPECIAL ROLE IN OUR SOCIETY OVERALL, BOTH IN TERMS OF FULFILLING HUMAN DESIRE TO LEARN AND EXPAND THEIR MINDS, BUT ALSO THE ROLE WE PLAY IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND COMMUNITY BUILDING. YOU HAVE TO PAY WHAT THE MARKET LEADS YOU TO. AND WHILE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO PAY IOWA PROFESSORS MORE THAN EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE COUNTRY, AS A PRACTICAL MATTER THE MARKET FINDS EQUILIBRIUM, AND WE NEED TO DEFINE EQUILIBRIUM IN IOWA AS COMPETITIVE WITH OUR NATURAL COMPETITORS.

Borg: MR. MILES, I'D LIKE TO EXPLORE YOUR PHILOSOPHY IN DEALING WITH THE UNIVERSITIES AS A REGENT. AND PART OF IT IS THE TRANSFORMATION PROGRAM WHICH HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR SEVERAL YEARS, DRIVEN SOMEWHAT BY BUDGET REALITIES AND STREAMLINING THE UNIVERSITIES. BUT FACULTY HAVE OFTEN CHAFED UNDER WHAT IS PERCEIVED AS MICROMANAGING BY REGENTS. WHERE DO YOU SEE YOUR ROLE IN -- IF YOU USE THE WORD MICROMANAGING, WHAT'S YOUR ROLE AS A REGENT?

Miles: WELL, I THINK OUR ROLES -- OUR ROLE AS REGENT IS, FIRST OF ALL, GOVERNANCE. AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT THE REGENTS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE INSTITUTIONS. AND SECONDLY, IT'S ONE OF STEWARDSHIP AND MAKING SURE THAT OUR REGENTS INSTITUTIONS CONTINUE TO BE SUCCESSFUL, TO THRIVE, TO GET BETTER AND BETTER EACH AND EVERY YEAR. AND THAT KEEPS I THINK THE REGENTS PROPERLY FOCUSED AT A HIGH LEVEL, AT A STRATEGIC LEVEL AND LOOKING AT POLICY ISSUES, NOT DIGGING INTO THE DETAILS OF DAY-TO-DAY MANAGEMENT OF THE UNIVERSITIES.

Borg: ARE YOU GOING TO BE ESPECIALLY SENSITIVE, MS. CAMPBELL, ABOUT MICROMANAGING?

Campbell: I AM AND I DEALT WITH THIS A LITTLE BIT AS ATTORNEY GENERAL, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO THE UNIVERSITY HOSPITALS AND CLINICS. WE HAD TO FIND THE PLACE TO DRAW THE LINE SO THAT MY LAWYERS IN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE WEREN'T HANDLING EVERY EMPLOYEE DISPUTE AND EVERY CLAIM OF A PATIENT THAT SOMETHING HAD GONE WRONG, BUT THAT WE WERE HANDLING THE BIG MATTERS. AND IT'S ALWAYS A QUESTION OF WHERE YOU DRAW THE LINE. WE WERE ABLE TO FIND A PLACE WHERE EVERYONE FELT COMFORTABLE. NUMBER ONE, NINE PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE MICROMANAGING 44,000 EMPLOYEES. IT'S NOT EVEN POSSIBLE. BUT WE ARE THERE TO GOVERN AND SET THE BIG POLICIES, LOOK AT THE MACRO PICTURE, PLACE THE REGENT INSTITUTIONS IN ITS PROPER ROLE IN THE LARGER SOCIETY. AND I WILL BE VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT ISSUE BECAUSE -- BOTH AS A PRACTICAL MATTER AND AS A PHILOSOPHICAL MATTER.

Henderson: YOU BOTH FIND YOURSELVES REGULATORS OF SPECIAL SCHOOLS FOR BLIND AND DEAF STUDENTS. IN AN ERA WHERE PARENTS ARE NOW CHOOSING TO SEND BLIND AND DEAF CHILDREN INTO THE GENERAL STUDENT POPULATION IN THEIR LOCAL PUBLIC SCHOOL, HAVE THESE INSTITUTIONS OUTLIVED THEIR USEFULNESS, MR. MILES?

Miles: I DON'T THINK THAT THEY HAVE. I DO APPLAUD THE CHANGE IN DIRECTION AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS LIMITED AFTER EIGHTEEN DAYS AT THE BRAILLE SCHOOL. I DO APPLAUD THEIR CHANGE IN DIRECTION, WHICH IS ONE THAT IS LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF BLIND CHILDREN ACROSS THE STATE OF IOWA, NOT JUST THE RESIDENT POPULATION, AND I THINK THAT'S A VERY POSITIVE STEP.

Henderson: MS. CAMPBELL?

Campbell: I AGREE. AND AGAIN, AS ATTORNEY GENERAL, WE REPRESENTED THOSE INSTITUTIONS, AND SO I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT THEM AND TO LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE CONTRIBUTION THEY MAKE. I THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE TO REEVALUATE ALL THE TIME, BECAUSE MAINSTREAMING HAS BEEN SUCH A HUGE PART OF OUR EFFORT AS A STATE AND AS A NATION, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PAST TWO DECADES. BUT FOR THE MOMENT I THINK THEY DO SERVE A VERY VALUABLE FUNCTION AND A SPECIAL POPULATION.

Glover: MR. MILES, I'D LIKE YOU TO STEP BACK FOR A SECOND AND NOT LOOK AT ANY ISSUES, BUT LOOK AT THE WAY YOU VIEW THE BOARD OF REGENTS. THE BOARD OF REGENTS, YOU DON'T GET PAID. IT'S A LOT OF WORK. YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A LOT OF FIGHTS BETWEEN FACULTY, STAFF, STUDENTS, THE PUBLIC, AND ALL THAT. WHY DO YOU WANT TO DO THIS?

Miles: THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. AND I INDEED DO WANT TO DO IT, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE FIRST QUESTION ONE SHOULD ANSWER. I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PASSION FOR IOWA, WHICH I CERTAINLY DO. AND I THINK ONE CAN HAVE THAT WHETHER THEY GREW UP HERE OR NOT. I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PASSION FOR HIGHER EDUCATION, WHICH I CERTAINLY DO. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN HIGHER EDUCATION MOST OF MY ADULT LIFE. AND THOSE TWO THINGS TOGETHER, WITH A DESIRE FOR SERVICE AND A DESIRE TO GIVE BACK, I GREW UP IN A FAMILY WHERE MY PARENTS WERE VERY ACTIVE IN CIVIC AFFAIRS. AND I THINK THOSE THREE THINGS TOGETHER MAKE THIS A VERY DESIRABLE PLACE TO BE, NOTWITHSTANDING EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE JUST MENTIONED.

Glover: MS. CAMPBELL, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A VERSION OF THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU, BUT I'D LIKE TO THROW IN ANOTHER CAVEAT. BOTH YOU AND MR. MILES HAVE LAW DEGREES FROM PRIVATE SCHOOLS. HOW DOES THAT BRING YOUR PERSPECTIVE OF PUBLIC SCHOOL -- PUBLIC HIGHER EDUCATION, AND WHY DO YOU WANT TO BE ON THE REGENTS?

Campbell: WELL, I WOULD HAVE GONE TO IOWA IF I HADN'T GONE TO SCHOOL AS A MUCH OLDER PERSON AND DIDN'T FANCY THE IDEA OF COMMUTING, AND I'M VERY HAPPY WITH MY EXPERIENCE AT DRAKE. SO NOW, HOPEFULLY I HAVEN'T OFFENDED ANYONE. FOR ME, EDUCATION HAS BEEN THE GREAT EQUALIZER IN MY LIFE. I WAS THE FIRST PERSON IN MY FAMILY TO GRADUATE FROM HIGH SCHOOL, AND I HAD THE GOOD FORTUNE TO MARRY SOMEONE WHO KEPT TELLING ME I HAD TO GO TO COLLEGE. AND I STARTED AT DMACC, WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE. TRANSFERRED THOSE CREDITS TO DRAKE. STAYED AT DRAKE FOR LAW SCHOOL. I KNOW FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE THAT EDUCATION IS THE GREAT EQUALIZER. ONCE YOU LEARN SOMETHING AND YOU LEARN HOW TO LEARN, NO ONE CAN EVER TAKE THAT AWAY FROM YOU.

Borg: YOU KNOW ONE THING I HAVE TO TAKE AWAY RIGHT NOW IS TIME.

Campbell: TIME, YES.

Borg: I'M SORRY TO HAVE TO INTERRUPT, BUT WE'RE OUT OF TIME.

Campbell: THAT'S OKAY.

Borg: THANKS SO MUCH FOR SPENDING TIME WITH US TODAY.

Campbell: THANK YOU.

Borg: THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEKEND'S EDITION OF 'IOWA PRESS.' BACK NEXT WEEKEND, USUAL AIRTIMES: 7:30 FRIDAY NIGHT AND 11:30 SUNDAY MORNING. I'M DEAN BORG. THANKS FOR JOINING US TODAY.

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