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Reporters' Roundtable

posted on July 13, 2007

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Borg: NOTHING IS SETTLED. PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGNING IN IOWA IS AS HOT AS THE SUMMER SUN. IOWA POLITICAL JOURNALISTS TAKE THE TEMPERATURE AND ANALYZE PRECAUCUS STRATEGIES ON THIS EDITION OF 'IOWA PRESS.'

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ON STATEWIDE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION, THIS IS THE FRIDAY, JULY 13 EDITION OF 'IOWA PRESS.' HERE IS DEAN BORG.

Borg: WE THINK IOWA'S FIRST-IN-THE-NATION PRESIDENTIAL PREFERENCE CAUCUSES ARE SIX MONTHS AWAY BUT, LIKE MOST EVERYTHING ELSE IN THIS ELECTION CYCLE, EVEN THAT DATE ISN'T CERTAIN. THE LATEST CAMPAIGN FINANCIAL REPORTING RAISED SOME EYEBROWS AND LOWERED SOME EXPECTATIONS. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT AND OTHER HARD NEWS AND CAMPAIGN NUANCES WITH: 'RADIO IOWA' NEWS DIRECTOR KAY HENDERSON, 'ASSOCIATED PRESS' SENIOR POLITICAL WRITER MIKE GLOVER, 'LEE NEWSPAPERS' CAPITAL BUREAU CHIEF, TODD DORMAN, AND 'DES MOINES REGISTER' POLITICAL WRITER TOM BEAUMONT. KAY, I'M GOING TO START WITH YOU. WHEN I SAID LOWERED SOME EXPECTATIONS, I HAD JOHN MCCAIN'S CAMPAIGN IN MIND. WHAT HAPPENED?

Henderson: WELL, THERE'S BEEN THIS SORT OF PARLOR GAME THAT POLITICAL REPORTERS HAVE BEEN PLAYING FOR THE PAST FEW WEEKS. ON ONE SIDE ARE THE GAME PLAYERS WHO SUGGEST THAT MCCAIN IS OUT. ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE ARE THOSE WHO SUGGEST THAT MCCAIN WILL STAY IN. THE ONES WHO SUGGEST HE'LL STAY IN ARE THOSE WHO POINT OUT THAT THIS IS A GUY WHO WILL JUST STAND THERE AND TAKE PUNCH AFTER PUNCH. HE DID IT ON IMMIGRATION REFORM IN THE SENATE. HE'S DONE IT OVER HIS CAREER, AND SO THEY SEE IN HIM SOMEONE WHO IS NOT WILLING TO GIVE UP. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THOSE WHO POINT TO THE REALITIES OF HIS FUND-RAISING, IF YOU CALCULATE HIS CAMPAIGN DEBTS IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE ROUGHLY TWO MILLION DOLLARS OF CASH HE HAS ON HAND, HE IS DOWN TO BARE BONES IN HIS CAMPAIGN. SO JOHN MCCAIN REALLY HAS A LOT OF WORK TO DO IF HE INTENDS TO STAY IN THIS RACE.

Glover: AND THE BIGGEST HURDLE THAT JOHN MCCAIN FACES -- AND JOHN MCCAIN IS WHO JOHN MCCAIN IS RIGHT NOW, A PLAYER IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE, BECAUSE HE RAN FOR PRESIDENT IN THE YEAR 2000 AND DID PRETTY WELL. HE WON NEW HAMPSHIRE. HE PUSHED GEORGE BUSH IN THE EARLY PRIMARIES AND ESTABLISHED HIMSELF AS A SERIOUS PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE. THAT VAULTED HIM TO PROMINENCE IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE. HE'S RISKING LOSING ALL THAT RIGHT NOW. HE'S ON THE VERGE OF BECOMING A JOKE IN THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN. IF HE BECOMES A JOKE IN THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN, EVERYTHING HE HAS IN THE SENATE GOES AWAY. YEAH, HE'S A STUBBORN GUY. HE'S ALSO A GUY WHO UNDERSTANDS THAT HE'S RISKING IT ALL BY BECOMING A JOKE AS A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE. I THINK HE GETS OUT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

Beaumont: ISSUES HAVE DOGGED SENATOR MCCAIN. HIS IMMIGRATION STAND HAS BEEN VERY UNPOPULAR. BUT HIS IOWA CAMPAIGN HAS ALSO BEEN KIND OF A MICROCOSM OF HIS NATIONAL CAMPAIGN IN THAT HE HAS SPENT AT A VERY HIGH RATE. HE WAS PAYING CONSULTANTS TEN GRAND A MONTH. HE HAS STRIPPED HIS CAMPAIGN STAFF, CUT IT IN HALF, AND THOSE CONSULTANTS ARE NOW BEING ASKED -- THEY WERE ASKED TO WORK FOR FREE. TWO OF THE THREE HAVE QUIT, AND ONE IS STAYING ON, CHUCK LARSON.

Borg: TOM, SOME SAY THAT SPENDING WAS A DELIBERATE STRATEGY, THAT IS TO ESTABLISH HIM AS SO PREEMINENT IN THE PREFERENCES THAT HE WOULD WIN AS A GIVEN. DID YOU DISCERN THAT?

Beaumont: IT LOOKED LIKE HE WAS THE NATIONAL FRONT-RUNNER AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, BUT THAT COMBINATION OF ISSUES, THE UNPOPULARITY WITH HIS IMMIGRATION STANCE, ESPECIALLY AMONG WESTERN IOWA CONSERVATIVES, SENATOR MCCAIN HIMSELF SAID THAT HE WAS SURPRISED AT THE FUROR THAT HE FACED IN IOWA FROM CONSERVATIVES ON IMMIGRATION. SO SOME OF THESE THINGS WERE VERY UNPREDICTED.

Borg: TOM -- NOT TOM. TODD. IS HE AT ALL VIABLE YET? I'M GOING BACK TO WHAT MIKE SAID: HE'S RISKING IT ALL, EVEN HIS SENATE REPUTATION. HOW DO YOU SEE THAT? IS THAT CAMPAIGN IN IOWA DEAD?

Dorman: WELL, HE'S SPENT LIKE THE YANKEES AND HE'S PERFORMING LIKE THE ROYALS. AND I DON'T THINK THE ROYALS ARE GOING TO WIN THE PENNANT, AND I DON'T THINK JOHN MCCAIN IS GOING TO COME BACK. I MEAN IT'S ALWAYS POSSIBLE LIGHTNING COULD STRIKE, THINGS COULD HAPPEN. BUT RIGHT NOW HE DOESN'T HAVE THE RESOURCES. THE SUPPORT IS NOT OUT THERE. I MEAN HE ALREADY STARTED AT SORT OF A DISADVANTAGE IN IOWA, HAVING NOT RUN HERE BEFORE, SKIPPED THE STATE, SAID BAD THINGS ABOUT ETHANOL, SAID THINGS ABOUT CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVES DURING THE 2000 RACE THAT WEREN'T EXACTLY WELL RECEIVED HERE. SO HE ALREADY STARTED AT SOMEWHAT OF A LITTLE BIT OF A DISADVANTAGE. BUT NOW IT'S A SITUATION WHERE I'M NOT SURE HE WILL SPEND A LOT OF TIME HERE, AND I'M NOT MAYBE SURE HE SHOULD.

Glover: HE STARTED WITH WHAT I THINK WOULD BE A STRATEGIC MISCONCEPTION. YOU MENTIONED EARLIER HE STARTED OUT AS THE PREEMPTIVE FAVORITE. HE WAS GOING TO BE THE NOMINEE. JOHN MCCAIN WAS BANKING ON THE REALITY THAT REPUBLICANS DON'T REALLY NOMINATE CANDIDATES, THEY CORONATE THEM. AND HE WAS GOING TO START OFF AS THE PREEMINENT CANDIDATE, THE CANDIDATE WHO WAS GOING TO WIN, AND THE PARTY ESTABLISHMENT WOULD RALLY AROUND HIM. THAT WAY HE PUT TOGETHER A BIG CAMPAIGN, AN EXPENSIVE CAMPAIGN BASED ON RAISING A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN THE FIRST YEAR TO ESTABLISH HIMSELF AMONG THE REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT AS THE GUY WHO JUST LOGICALLY WAS GOING TO BECOME THE NOMINEE. WHAT HE FORGOT WAS THE REPUBLICAN BASE HATES HIM AND ALL HIS WILL. THAT REPUBLIC BASE WILL NEVER RALLY AROUND HIM AS THEY RALLIED AROUND GEORGE BUSH, SO HE WAS STUCK WITH A FRONT-RUNNER INEVITABLE CANDIDATE STRATEGY AND A CANDIDATE WHO WAS NEVER GOING TO FIT THAT MOLD, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU BREAK OUT OF THAT.

Dorman: HE ALIENATED -- I MEAN HE'S NEVER GOING TO APPEAL TO THE BASE. AND THEN BY TRYING SO HARD TO APPEAL TO THE BASE, HE ALIENATED THE MORE MODERATE INDEPENDENT FOLKS WHO SAW HIM AS THIS MAVERICK WHO WAS GOING TO SPEAK TRUTH TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. AND NOW HE'S TURNED AROUND AND HE'S GOT NEITHER. HE DOESN'T HAVE FRIENDS. I MEAN IT'S A SITUATION WHERE HE'S GOT NOWHERE TO TURN TO A BASE OF SUPPORT THAT WILL RALLY AROUND HIM IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS.

Glover: AND HE HAS SOMETHING GOING FOR HIM THAT IS A FAIRLY POWERFUL FORCE IN WASHINGTON. HE IS A REPUBLICAN FROM A FAIRLY SAFE REPUBLICAN SEAT IN A REGION OF THE COUNTRY THAT IS TURNING MODERATELY DEMOCRATIC, AND HE'S ABLE TO DO THINGS. LIKE, ARGUABLY, ON IMMIGRATION REFORM, HE CAN ARGUE AND ACTUALLY PUSH SOMETHING THROUGH ON IMMIGRATION REFORM. HE CAN MAKE A CASE FOR THE WAR IN IRAQ. IT'S NOT VERY POPULAR AMONGST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, BUT HE CAN MAKE A CASE AND, BEING A WOUNDED P.O.W. WAR VETERAN, MAKE IT WITH SOME CLARITY. HE CAN DO THAT WITHIN POWER CIRCLES IN WASHINGTON. BUT AS I MENTIONED EARLIER WHEN KAY WAS TALKING, THE LONGER HE CONTINUES HIS PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN THAT CLEARLY ISN'T WORKING, THE MORE HE RISKS THAT.

Henderson: THE OTHER THING ABOUT THIS IS EVERYONE WHO ARGUES THAT JOHN MCCAIN CAN SUSTAIN A CAMPAIGN POINT TO JOHN KERRY'S EXPERIENCE IN 2003 WHEN HE HIT THE DOLDRUMS. THEY POINT TO THE 2000 RACE WHICH SAW BILL BRADLEY COME OUT OF THE GATE REALLY STRONG AGAINST SITTING VICE PRESIDENT AL GORE AND HOW GORE TURNED THAT AROUND. MY POINT TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THAT CONTENTION IS THAT THOSE ARE DEMOCRATIC EXAMPLES. IF YOU TURN TO THE CAMPAIGNS OF PEOPLE LIKE BOB DOLE IN 1988 -- IN 1988 COMPARED TO 1996, THERE WAS AN EROSION OF SUPPORT. THEY DIDN'T PERFORM AS WELL THE SECOND TIME AROUND. AND AS DID GEORGE H. W. BUSH, THE FORMER PRESIDENT, IN 1980 HE FINISHED MUCH BETTER IN THE IOWA CAUCUSES THAN HE DID IN 1988. OF COURSE, DOLE AND PAT ROBERTSON FINISHED AHEAD OF HIM. SO AMONG IOWA REPUBLICANS, I THINK OVER THE PAST DECADES YOU'VE SEEN THIS YEARNING FOR SORT OF A NEW FACE IN THOSE RESULTS. EVEN THOUGH DOLE WAS ABLE TO HOLD OFF A CHALLENGE, IF YOU'LL REMEMBER THOSE RESULTS IN 1996, IT WAS I THINK 26 PERCENT DOLE, 23 PERCENT PAT BUCHANAN, AND OTHERS GARNERING GOOD SLICES OF THE PIE AS WELL.

Glover: ONE OF THE STORIES THAT'S YET TO UNFOLD -- AND WE STILL HAVE A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME UNTIL THESE CAUCUSES HAPPEN, AND THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME FOR STUFF TO HAPPEN. A MAJOR FORCE WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS THE EVANGELICAL RIGHT. THAT IS PROBABLY -- IT'S NOT A MAJORITY OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. IT'S PROBABLY A PLURALITY OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. THAT GROUP HAS YET TO COALESCE AROUND A CANDIDATE. THERE ARE SEVERAL CANDIDATES OUT THERE -- I'M THINKING OF SAM BROWNBACK, MIKE HUCKABEE, TOMMY THOMPSON, THOSE KINDS OF FOLKS ARE KIND OF JOUSTING FOR THAT RELIGIOUS RIGHT. THEY HAVE YET TO DECIDE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO. IF THAT GROUP DECIDES TO COALESCE BEHIND A CANDIDATE, THIS RACE CAN GET RESHAPED OVERNIGHT.

Borg: TOM, WAS THAT RELIGIOUS RIGHT AT ALL ASSOCIATED WITH MCCAIN? WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS THAT IF MCCAIN'S CAMPAIGN IS FLOUNDERING, ARE THERE CANDIDATES WHO ARE MOVING IN LIKE VULTURES SEEKING TO PULL AWAY SOME OF THAT MCCAIN SUPPORT.

Beaumont: I DON'T KNOW HOW STRONG HIS SUPPORT WAS AMONG THAT GROUP. HE RETAINS AS ONE OF HIS UNPAID CONSULTANTS, MARLYS POPMA, WHO IS SEEN AS ONE OF THE STRONGEST RECRUITERS IN IOWA FOR THAT VOTING GROUP. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT MCCAIN COMPARED TO KERRY WHO DID HIS TURNAROUND IN 2004, KERRY TURNED IT AROUND BY GOING ALL IN IN IOWA. IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH MCCAIN, HE IS DOWN TO A SMALL CORE OF LARGELY UNPAID CONSULTANTS, INCLUDING MARLYS. SO I SUPPOSE THEY'RE COUNTING ON STILL REAPING SOME OF THAT GROUP. BUT I THINK AS, AS MIKE SAID, LOTS OF IT IS UP FOR GRABS.

Glover: AND I HAPPENED TO BE WITH MCCAIN IN 2000 WHEN HE DECIDED DURING THE SOUTH CAROLINA PRIMARY THAT HE WOULD GO TO VIRGINIA AND WHACK THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT JUST OUTSIDE LIBERTY UNIVERSITY. AND I REMEMBER THAT NIGHT WHEN THEY MADE THAT DECISION. I REMEMBER THINKING TO MYSELF: OKAY, WE'RE IN A REPUBLICAN PRIMARY IN THE SOUTH, SO LET'S GO WHACK THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT; AND IF THAT'S A GOOD IDEA, LET'S GET UP IN THE MORNING AND DO IT. AND THE POINT BEING HE DID IT, AND I DON'T THINK RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVES WILL EVER FORGIVE HIM FOR THAT. HE'S MADE UP FOR IT. HE WENT TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY. HE GAVE THE COMMENCEMENT SPEECH. HE'S DONE ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. THEY WON'T FORGET WHAT HE SAID IN 2000, AND THEY'LL NEVER TRUST HIM. AND JOHN MCCAIN IN 2000 WAS KIND OF A HAPPY WARRIOR. THE SENSE I GET FROM HIM -- AND I'D BE INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY -- IS THAT HE'S A FRUSTRATED, ANGRY OLD MAN THIS TIME, AND I THINK IT'S BECAUSE IT'S SETTLING IN ON HIM THAT THIS PARTY ESTABLISHMENT THAT HE'S BEEN SUCKING UP TO FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS IS NEVER GOING TO TRUST HIM.

Dorman: WELL, AND I THINK WITH REGARD TO THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT, EVEN THOUGH HE MADE OVERTURES TO THEM, I MEAN THEY LOOK AT CANDIDATES LIKE HIM, THEY LOOK AT RUDY GIULIANI, AND THEY DON'T SEE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BECOME PRESIDENT AND CARRY THEIR AGENDA. THEY SEE PEOPLE THAT ARE TALKING TO THEM, SAYING THE RIGHT THINGS, BUT THEY DON'T GET A GUT FEELING THAT THIS IS A PRESIDENT THAT'S GOING TO GO TO THE WHITE HOUSE AND TRY TO RESTRICT ABORTION AND DO THE THINGS THAT WE WANT THEM TO DO. THEY SAW THAT IN GEORGE W. BUSH, AND THAT'S WHY THEY BACKED HIM. AND THAT WAS PART OF JOHN MCCAIN'S PROBLEM. A LOT OF THOSE FOLKS FIGURED THAT IF HE GETS ELECTED PRESIDENT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A VOICE IN HIS ADMINISTRATION. NO MATTER HOW MUCH HE TRIED TO CONVINCE THEM, HE COULDN'T CONVINCE THEM.

Henderson: THE OTHER FACTOR IN THIS AMONG THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT IS THIS IS A DISPIRITED BUNCH. IF YOU TALK TO THEM ABOUT THEIR VIEWS ABOUT THE RACE, THEY'RE NOT TERRIBLY POSITIVE BECAUSE, AS TODD MENTIONED, THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE A FRONT-RUNNING STANDARD BEARER. AND IF YOU GO TO CAMPAIGN EVENTS, THEY'RE ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT IRAQ. THEY'RE JUST AS DISCONCERTED BY WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN IRAQ AS MANY DEMOCRATS ARE. SO THE IDEA OF THESE PEOPLE CONTINUING AS A VIABLE VOTING BLOCK IS PERHAPS, NOT SAYING IT IS, BUT I MEAN IT IS PERHAPS UP FOR GRABS BECAUSE OF THE DYNAMICS OF IMMIGRATION REFORM. THEY SAW SOME IN THEIR OWN PARTY ABANDON THEM ON THAT. THEY'RE VERY UPSET WITH PRESIDENT BUSH, AND THE WAR IS DISQUIETING TO THEM.

Borg: TOM, EXPAND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT, ON REPUBLICAN DEMOGRAPHIC GROUPS THAT MAY STILL BE MAKING UP THEIR MINDS AND HOW THEY'RE BEING COURTED.

Beaumont: WELL, I WAS THINKING A MOMENT AGO ABOUT GOVERNOR ROMNEY. AND HE IS TRYING TO PROJECT THE SAME VALUES AS THAT GROUP OF CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVES, BUT IN IOWA THERE ARE DOUBTS AMONG THEM BASED ON HIS MORMON FAITH. SO I THINK THAT GROUP OF CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVES IS STILL UP FOR GRABS BECAUSE OF THAT IN PART.

Glover: AND TOM TOUCHES ON A GOOD POINT, AND IT'S ONE THAT ROMNEY IS FINDING DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH AND HIS OPPONENTS ARE FINDING IT DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH BECAUSE IT'S A VERY DELICATE SUBJECT. IN FACT, THE FACT THAT HE'S A MORMON, WHICH IS AN ODD RELIGION FOR A LOT OF EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS -- THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. IT'S JUST DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY KNOW. IT MAKES HIM JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A QUESTION MARK. I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH A LEADING EVANGELICAL THE OTHER DAY WHO SAID THAT THE MORMON THING IS A PROBLEM. AND HE SAID, 'I DON'T MEAN THAT IN A BIGOTED WAY. IT'S JUST A QUESTION MARK.' A LOT OF EVANGELICALS JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. I THINK AT SOME POINT MITT ROMNEY IS GOING TO HAVE TO DO WHAT JOHN KENNEDY DID IN THE 1960 CAMPAIGN, AND I'LL PROVE JUST HOW OLD I AM BECAUSE I REMEMBER IT. JOHN KENNEDY HAD TO GO TO TEXAS BECAUSE AT THAT TIME THERE WAS A LOT OF RUMORS ABOUT A CATHOLIC RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AND IF JOHN KENNEDY GETS ELECTED, THE POPE WILL BE RUNNING AMERICA. HE HAD TO GO TO TEXAS, DELIVER A SPEECH THAT HIS CATHOLICISM WOULD COME SECOND SHOULD HE BE ELECTED. I THINK AT SOME POINT MITT ROMNEY IS GOING TO HAVE TO DELIVER A SIMILAR SPEECH ABOUT HIS MORMON FAITH AND WHERE IT FITS IN HIS OVERALL PERSONALITY.

Dorman: THE OTHER 'M' WORD THAT'S HURTING HIM IS MASSACHUSETTS. I MEAN HE HAD TO BE A POLITICIAN IN MASSACHUSETTS. HE WAS GOVERNOR AND RAN FOR THE U.S. SENATE. AND BEING A REPUBLICAN IN MASSACHUSETTS MEANS BEING A LOT MORE MODERATE IN SOME WAYS THAN REPUBLICANS IN OTHER STATES. AND IN DOING THAT HE HAD TO TAKE SOME POSITIONS THAT -- NOW ON A DAILY BASIS WE'RE GETTING E-MAILS AND VIDEOS OF HIM NOT QUITE BEING ANTI-ABORTION ENOUGH AND BEING MAYBE FOR GAY RIGHTS OR NOT QUITE ENOUGH ON GUN RIGHTS. SO THAT'S DOGGING HIM. THE FACT THAT HE'S HAD TO TURN FROM BEING A MASSACHUSETTS POLITICIAN TO A NATIONAL REPUBLICAN POLITICIAN HAS BEEN NOT SMOOTH. AND CONSERVATIVES ARE NOT QUITE -- THEY'RE NOT QUITE SURE WHERE HE ACTUALLY IS ON SOME OF THOSE ISSUES.

Glover: AND KAY TOUCHED ON THAT EARLIER, AND THE SENSE I GET FROM TALKING TO THEM IS THAT THEY THINK -- OKAY, THEY'LL GO TO A SPEECH THAT MITT ROMNEY DELIVERS AND HE'LL SAY: I HATE ABORTION AND I HATE GAY PEOPLE, DA-DA-DA-DA-DA. THEY DON'T BELIEVE HIM. THEY BELIEVE THAT IF THEY VOTE FOR HIM AND HE GETS ELECTED PRESIDENT, HE'LL REVERT BACK TO WHAT HE WAS IN MASSACHUSETTS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SURE THERE'S A CORE SET OF BELIEFS THERE. AND THERE ARE REAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.

Dorman: AND THEY'VE GOT ALL THE EVIDENCE IN THE WORLD OF REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS TELLING THEM THAT AND NOT CARRYING THEIR AGENDA. I MEAN THAT'S THE BIG RUB FOR CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVES IS WHEN EXACTLY IS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ACTUALLY GOING TO DO THE THINGS THAT THEY'VE PROMISED FOR THE LAST TWENTY YEARS.

Borg: KAY, WHERE DOES ALL OF THIS PUT THE STRAW POLL? WHEN JOHN MCCAIN AND RUDY GIULIANI SAID THEY WEREN'T GOING TO PARTICIPATE, EVERYONE THREW UP THEIR HANDS AND SAID THIS IS GOING TO BE A NOTHING EVENT. ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S COME BACK INTO BEING SIGNIFICANT, HASN'T IT?

Henderson: IT HAS BECAUSE IT GIVES THOSE WHO ARE AMONG WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE BOTTOM TIER A CHANCE TO REALLY MAKE A MARK. LET'S SAY IF A MIKE HUCKABEE OR A TOM TANCREDO OR A SAM BROWNBACK WERE TO FINISH SURPRISINGLY WELL IN THAT EVENT, THAT WOULD VAULT THEIR CAMPAIGN INTO NATIONAL PROMINENCE BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT EXPECTED TO DO VERY WELL AMONG REPUBLICANS IN IOWA.

Borg: HOW WOULD IT VAULT? WOULD IT INCREASE THEIR FUND-RAISING ABILITY?

Henderson: ALL OF IT. IT WOULD INCREASE MEDIA ATTENTION ON THEM. IT WOULD HELP THEIR FUND-RAISING ABILITY. AND AS MIKE MENTIONED EARLIER, IT MIGHT HELP SOME OF THOSE CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVES FINALLY SAY: OKAY, THIS IS A GUY, HE'S SHOWN IN ONE EVENT THAT HE HAS WHAT IT TAKES TO PUT A COALITION TOGETHER; MAYBE THIS IS THE FELLOW THAT I CAN BACK.

Glover: IT'S AN IMPORTANT FORCE IN IOWA CAUCUS POLITICS AND ONE THAT WE OFTEN OVERLOOK. TO GO OUT AND SHOW UP FOR AN IOWA CAUCUS, YOU HAVE TO SHOW UP AT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ON A COLD WINTER NIGHT AND SPEND ALL NIGHT ARGUING WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS ABOUT POLITICS. THAT IMPLIES A LEVEL OF COMMITMENT TO A CANDIDATE THAT'S FAR BEYOND SIMPLY GOING OUT AND CASTING A VOTE. AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IS YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO GO OUT BUT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN MOTIVATED YET. AND ONE OF THE DRIVING FORCES IN IOWA POLITICS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THEY DON'T WANT TO WASTE THEIR VOTE. THEY DON'T WANT TO GO OUT AND VOTE FOR A TOM TANCREDO, EVEN THOUGH HE MAYBE ECHOES EVERYTHING THAT THEY THINK, BECAUSE HE'S NOT GOING TO WIN. YOU'RE WASTING YOUR TIME. BUT IF SOMEBODY LIKE, LET'S SAY, A SAM BROWNBACK, A MIKE HUCKABEE DOES PRETTY WELL IN THE STRAW POLL, THEN A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES CAN START SAYING, HEY, THIS GUY MAY HAVE SOME STEAM, MAYBE IT'S WORTH MY GOING OUT ON A JANUARY OR EVEN A DECEMBER EVENING OR WHENEVER IT IS AND VOTING FOR HIM.

Henderson: AND IF YOU WANT TO FIND EVIDENCE OF THAT, GO BACK TO 1988. THE STRAW POLL THAT WAS HELD IN 1987 WAS WON BY PAT ROBERTSON, AND HE PARLAYED THAT INTO A VERY STRONG SECOND PLACE FINISH AHEAD OF A SITTING VICE PRESIDENT THAT YEAR BECAUSE OF WHAT MIKE MENTIONED; PEOPLE WANT TO BACK A WINNER.

Borg: TOM -- GO AHEAD, YOU WERE GOING TO SAY SOMETHING.

Beaumont: I WAS GOING TO SAY A LOT OF EYES ARE ON FORMER TENNESSEE SENATOR FRED THOMPSON, WONDERING WHEN HE'S GOING TO GET IN. PEOPLE WONDER IF HE'S GOING TO BE IN FOR THE STRAW POLL. AS THE WEEKS TICK BY, IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S GOING TO GET IN AROUND THAT TIME OR AFTERWARD WHICH COULD, DEPENDING ON THE RESULTS OF THE STRAW POLL, SORT OF RESET THE WHOLE FIELD.

Borg: WELL, IT COULD UPSET THE WHOLE APPLE CART IN THAT STRAW POLL, COULD IT NOT, BECAUSE CANDIDATES IN ORDER TO DO WELL THERE HAVE TO INVEST IN THE STRAW POLL? IT'S A COSTLY EVENT.

Beaumont: THAT'S RIGHT. AND HE DOESN'T SHOW MUCH EVIDENCE OF HAVING AN ORGANIZATION ON THE GROUND. HE'S HIRED A STAFF MEMBER IN IOWA. BUT I THINK PEOPLE ARE WAITING TO SEE IF HE'S GOING TO GET IN, PUT TOGETHER AN ORGANIZATION. MORE LIKELY HE WAITS UNTIL AFTER THE STRAW POLL, SEES WHAT THE FIELD LOOKS LIKE AFTER THAT, AND GOES FORWARD.

Henderson: THE OTHER --

Beaumont: WHAT I DO HEAR, THOUGH, IS THAT HE'S VERY INTERESTED IN MOUNTING AN IOWA CAMPAIGN.

Glover: AND I'LL BE A NAYSAYER FOR FRED THOMPSON'S BEST DAYS ARE RIGHT NOW AND HIS WORST DAYS WILL START THE DAY HE ANNOUNCES. HE'LL GO DOWNHILL FROM THERE.

Borg: WHY DO YOU SAY THAT, MIKE?

Glover: BECAUSE CANDIDATES, ONCE THEY'RE IN -- I MEAN HE'S GOT THIS SORT OF IMAGE NOW OF AS KIND OF A SLOW TALKING, EVERYBODY KNOWS HIM FROM 'LAW AND ORDER,' A CONSERVATIVE GUY WHO IS VERY ARTICULATE, BEEN IN THE MOVIES, CAN ACT AND DO ALL THOSE THINGS. A LOT OF PEOPLE SEE IN HIM A NEW RONALD REAGAN. YOU'RE GOING TO START TO SEE ONCE HE GETS IN, THEY'RE GOING TO START LOOKING AT HIS LOBBYING DAYS, WHO EXACTLY HE LOBBIED FOR, INCLUDING SOME ABORTION RIGHTS GROUPS. THEY'RE GOING TO START LOOKING AT WHERE HE'S MAKING HIS MONEY FOR THE LAST TWENTY-FIVE YEARS IN WASHINGTON. ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO START TO BUBBLE TO THE SURFACE, AND HE'LL HAVE TO ANSWER THEM. RIGHT NOW HE'S IGNORING THEM. FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN QUESTIONS ARE RAISED ABOUT THE CLIENTS HE'S REPRESENTED LOBBYING, HE SAYS NOBODY'S POINTED OUT THAT ANYBODY I HAD DIDN'T DESERVE REPRESENTATION. AND THEN IT GOES AWAY. ONCE HE'S IN THE RACE, HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALL THIS.

Borg: WHAT ABOUT WHAT -- KAY, I CUT YOU OFF.

Henderson: WELL, THE OTHER PART OF THE MCCAIN PARLOR GAME HERE IS FRED THOMPSON BACKED JOHN MCCAIN BACK IN THE 2000 RACE, AND SO THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF, YOU KNOW, SCENARIOS WHERE MCCAIN DROPS OUT AND ENDORSES FRED THOMPSON. WE DON'T KNOW, OF COURSE, IF THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT THAT'S PART OF THE NICE LITTLE TALKING POINTS THAT WE'RE ALL DISCUSSING THESE DAYS.

Dorman: POOR FRED THOMPSON IF HE GETS JOHN MCCAIN'S ENDORSEMENT AT THIS POINT. [ LAUGHTER ] THAT WOULD BE THE WORST THING THAT FRED COULD DO TO A GUY. WELL, YOU KNOW, IF FRED THOMPSON IS GOING TO DO ANYTHING, HE HAS -- WHEN HE DOES JUMP IN, HE HAS TO JUMP IN FULL SPEED AND AGGRESSIVE. AND THERE'S NOTHING IN HIS POLITICAL HISTORY TO SUGGEST THAT HE'S THAT SORT OF CAMPAIGNER, THAT HE'S THE KIND OF PERSON THAT'S GOING TO GO ON A 99-COUNTY BUS TOUR AND DIVE INTO EVERY CAFE IN THE STATE. YOU KNOW, HIS AIDES HAVE TALKED ABOUT RUNNING THIS KIND OF 30,000-FOOT CAMPAIGN WHERE YOU KIND OF FLY IN AND DO A BIG RALLY AND FLY OUT. AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO DO IT. THAT'S NOT GOING TO CUT IT HERE.

Glover: AND HE'S GOT TO ANSWER WHAT STRIKES ME AS A FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION, WHICH IS: MR. THOMPSON, WHY DO YOU WANT TO BE PRESIDENT; WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO AS PRESIDENT; WHERE DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THE COUNTRY; WHAT'S YOUR VISION FOR AMERICA? I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT FROM HIM.

Dorman: RIGHT.

Glover: ALL I'VE HEARD IS LITTLE THIRTY-SECOND SOUND BITES ABOUT THERE'S STUFF I'D LIKE TO DO I CAN ONLY DO AS PRESIDENT. HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHY HE WANTS TO BE PRESIDENT, AND HE HASN'T DONE THAT YET.

Dorman: AND IF YOU WANT TO BE PRESIDENT SO BAD, WHY WAIT, YOU KNOW, UNTIL THE FALL? WHEN IS HE GOING TO ANNOUNCE FINALLY? I MEAN WHEN IS HE GOING TO JUMP INTO THE RACE?

Borg: TODD, COMMENT A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT TOM SAID, THOUGH, ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT HE'S A FACTOR IN THE STRAW POLL, WHETHER OR NOT HE GETS IN BEFORE THE STRAW POLL AND IS A PLAYER THERE, OR DOES HE RENDER THE STRAW POLL A LITTLE BIT INEFFECTIVE, THE RESULTS THERE, IF HE GETS IN AFTERWARDS.

Dorman: I DON'T THINK HE WILL BE IN THE STRAW POLL. I THINK IT'S TOO LATE FOR HIM TO DO THAT. I MEAN WE'RE DOWN TO LESS THAN A MONTH NOW BEFORE THAT HAPPENS, AND YOU HAVE TO GET A LOT OF THINGS ORGANIZED. I'M NOT SURE HE'S A FACTOR THERE. I DON'T BELIEVE HE'S ON THE STRAW POLL BALLOT THAT I KNOW OF. I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES IN IOWA, A LOT OF REPUBLICANS WHO ARE SOMEWHAT INTERESTED IN HIM OR INTERESTED IN THE POSSIBILITY OF HIS CANDIDACY. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SUPPORT HIM. IT JUST MEANS THAT EVERYONE IS KIND OF WATCHING TO SEE WHAT HE DOES AS ONE MORE INTERESTING STORY IN THE CAMPAIGN. BUT LIKE MIKE SAYS, ONCE HE GETS IN, ALL OF THE KIND OF GAWSY COVERAGE THAT HE'S GETTING IS GOING TO WEAR OFF IN A HURRY.

Henderson: THE OTHER NON-CANDIDATE THAT FOLKS ARE WATCHING IS NEWT GINGRICH WHO WILL, OF COURSE, BE AT THE STRAW POLL BUT IN THE CAPACITY OF THE HEAD OF HIS GROUP CALLED, I THINK, AMERICAN SOLUTIONS. HE'S BEEN TRAVELING TO IOWA FAIRLY REGULARLY, MEETING WITH PEOPLE AT BOOK SIGNING EVENTS, OF COURSE. AND HE HAS SAID THAT IF HE INDEED DECIDES TO GET INTO THE RACE, HE'LL DO IT IN SEPTEMBER. SO HE'S CAUSING A FAIR AMOUNT OF HEARTBURN AMONG SOME OF THESE CANDIDATES, BECAUSE IN NEWT GINGRICH, SOME CONSERVATIVES SEE SOMEONE WHO ARTICULATES THEIR VISION BETTER THAN ANY OF THE OTHER CURRENT CANDIDATES THAT THEY SEE.

Borg: WHAT ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN CAMPAIGN AS COMPARED TO, TOM, THE CROWDS THAT THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES ARE DRAWING? THEY AREN'T COMPARABLE, ARE THEY?

Beaumont: WELL, IT'S HARD TO JUDGE THE MORE CELEBRITY CANDIDATES IN THE DEMOCRATIC FIELD NEXT TO THE SECOND TIER, THIRD TIER. BUT WHAT YOU CAN SEE IS A DIFFERENCE IN THE INTENSITY AND THE ENTHUSIASM BETWEEN THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FORUMS AND AUDIENCES AND THE REPUBLICANS. THERE SEEMS TO BE A BIT MORE HANDWRINGING AT THE REPUBLICAN EVENTS. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT I TALK TO AT CAMPAIGN EVENTS FOR DEMOCRATS SAY, YOU KNOW, I'M LEANING THIS WAY BUT, LOOK, WE'VE GOT A GREAT FIELD, AND THEY SHOW A LOT OF CONFIDENCE THAT WHOEVER THE NOMINEE IS HAS A VERY GOOD CHANCE OF BECOMING PRESIDENT IN 2008.

Glover: TOM IS BEING VERY KIND. REPUBLICANS ARE LOOKING AT THEIR GRAVE AND THEY KNOW IT. THEY KNOW THAT NEXT YEAR IS SHAPING UP AS A DISASTROUS YEAR FOR REPUBLICANS. I'VE HEARD IT COMPARED TO EARLIER DISASTROUS YEARS LIKE 1932. THEY'RE LOOKING IN THEIR GRAVE. THEY SENSE THAT SOMETHING BAD IS HAPPENING. THEY'VE GOT A SITTING PRESIDENT WHO SEEMS BENT ON PURSUING A WAR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE TURNED AGAINST, WHO SEEMS BENT ON PURSUING A PATH THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE TURNED AGAINST, AND A PARTY THAT'S DROPPING AT PRECIPITOUS RATES. REPUBLICANS RIGHT NOW -- AND THIS COULD CHANGE WITHIN A MONTH, BUT REPUBLICANS RIGHT NOW THINK THEY'RE LOOKING INTO THEIR GRAVE. DEMOCRATS RIGHT NOW THINK NEXT YEAR IS GOING TO BE A PRETTY GOOD YEAR FOR THEM. THEY THINK THE WHITE HOUSE IS ATTAINABLE. THEY THINK EXPANDING CONGRESSIONAL MAJORITY IS RETAINABLE, AND THEY THINK RETAINING CONTROL IN IOWA IS ATTAINABLE, IN FACT, FAIRLY EASILY.

Borg: THAT'S PROBABLY WHY YOU SEE SO MUCH PEELING AWAY FROM SUPPORTING PRESIDENT BUSH NOW ON IRAQ IN THE U.S. SENATE AND ELSEWHERE.

Glover: WELL, YOU'VE GOT TO REMEMBER, UNITED STATES SENATORS, THERE'S A FAMOUS OLD SAYING -- A FIGURE THAT THE STATEHOUSE USED TO USE: REMEMBER, SON, WE'RE ALL IN THIS ALONE. AND REPUBLICAN SENATORS ARE IN THIS FOR THEMSELVES. THEY'VE GOT TO GO BACK HOME AND CAMPAIGN. AND IF I'M A REPUBLICAN SENATOR FROM, SAY, CONNECTICUT AND THE WAR IS AT 25 PERCENT APPROVAL IN MY HOME STATE, I LIKE GEORGE BUSH BUT IT'S, 'SORRY, MR. PRESIDENT, SEE YOU AROUND. AND, NO, I DON'T THINK I NEED TO FLY HOME WITH YOU ON AIR FORCE ONE. I'LL MAKE MY OWN WAY BACK.'

Borg: YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS INTRODUCING YOU ALL, I SAID THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE REPORTS, TODD, RAISED SOME EYEBROWS AS WELL AS LOWERED SOME EXPECTATIONS IN THE WAY OF JOHN MCCAIN, BUT RAISED SOME EYEBROWS AS THE FUND-RAISING COMPARED TO SENATOR CLINTON AND OBAMA WERE REVEALED WITH OBAMA ECLIPSING SENATOR CLINTON. DOES THAT HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANCE IN IOWA?

Dorman: IT HAS SIGNIFICANCE IN THAT IT CONTINUES TO SHOW SENATOR OBAMA AS A POSSIBLE CHOICE ALONGSIDE HILLARY CLINTON. I MEAN ALL THE -- THE POLLS IN IOWA ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE POLLS NATIONALLY. THE POLLS NATIONALLY SHOW HILLARY CLINTON WITH A COMMANDING LEAD. THE POLLS HERE SHOW IT MUCH CLOSER. SOME SHOW JOHN EDWARDS AHEAD, WITH HILLARY CLINTON EITHER SECOND OR THIRD FIGHTING IT OUT WITH OBAMA. SO THE FACT THAT BARACK OBAMA HAS THOSE KIND OF RESOURCES AND HAS THAT KIND OF GRASS-ROOTS SUPPORT MAKE HIM -- MIGHT MAKE HIM MORE APPEALING TO IOWANS, ESPECIALLY DEMOCRATS WHO HAVEN'T MADE UP THEIR MINDS. AND YOU'RE FINDING A LOT OF THEM. A LOT OF IOWA DEMOCRATS STILL HAVE NOT COMMITTED TO A CANDIDATE.

Glover: AND IT GETS BACK TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, WHICH IS WHAT IOWA CAUCUS GOERS LIKE TO SHOW UP FOR SOMEBODY THAT'S GOT A CHANCE. AND HILLARY CLINTON, WHAT SHE HAS MADE THE FUNDAMENTAL PREMISE OF HER CAMPAIGN IS SHE IS GOING TO BE THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE. SHE'S A FORMER FIRST LADY. SHE'S IN HER SECOND TERM AS A SENATOR FROM NEW YORK. SHE IS GOING TO BE THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE BECAUSE RANK AND FILE DEMOCRATS WILL UNITE BEHIND BILL CLINTON, SO IT'S INEVITABLE THAT SHE'S GOING TO BE THE NOMINEE. THAT'S THE CASE SHE'S MAKING. EVERY TIME OBAMA EXCEEDS EXPECTATIONS, IT PUTS A LITTLE CRACK IN THAT FAÇADE. AND THE MONEY PUT A LITTLE CRACK IN THAT FAÇADE, AND IT OPENED UP THE EYES OF SOME IOWA ACTIVISTS TO SAY MAYBE I'LL GIVE THIS GUY A CHANCE.

Henderson: AND THE OTHER --

Borg: EXCUSE ME, KAY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A POINT HERE ABOUT WHAT MIKE IS SAYING. YOU ALSO SAW THAT WHEN THE CLINTONS CAME IN IN THAT JULY 4 INTENSE CAMPAIGN PERIOD AND BARACK OBAMA CAME RIGHT IN AND WENT HEAD TO HEAD. HE WASN'T WILLING THAT CONCEDE THAT TIME TO THE CLINTONS.

Glover: NO. AND THERE ARE TERMS THAT WE CAN'T USE ON THIS AIR TO DESCRIBE WHAT WAS GOING ON THERE, BUT BARACK OBAMA HAS VERY AGGRESSIVELY CHALLENGED HILLARY CLINTON AND CHALLENGED THE ASSUMPTION THAT SHE IS THE TOP LEADING DEMOCRATIC FIGURE AND THE INEVITABLE NOMINEE, RAISING HIS HAND SAYING, 'I'M HERE AND I'M GOING TO CHALLENGE YOU AND I'M GOING TO COMPETE FOR ATTENTION JUST LIKE YOU.' AND IN FACT, OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, STARTING WITH THE JULY 4 AND FINISHING WITH WHEN THEY BOTH DECIDED TO COME OUT HERE AND GIVE SPEECHES ON IRAQ ON EXACTLY THE SAME DAY, AT EXACTLY THE SAME TIME, JUST A FEW BLOCKS APART, OBAMA PLAYED HIS HALF MORE CLEVER BY ABOUT HALF. AND IN FACT OBAMA WROTE MOST OF THE LEADS THAT WERE WRITTEN FOR THE NEXT DAY'S NEWSPAPERS BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY HAD SOMETHING TO SAY. HILLARY CLINTON DIDN'T.

Borg: KAY, I CUT YOU OFF A MOMENT AGO.

Henderson: WITH, THE OTHER DYNAMIC ABOUT OBAMA THAT I THINK WE ALL NEED TO KEEP OUR EYES ON IS WHEN HE WAS HERE, AS YOU MENTIONED, OVER THE JULY 4 HOLIDAY, HE WAS ARTICULATING THE IDEA THAT HE IS GOING TO APPEAL NOT ONLY TO DEMOCRATS BUT TO REPUBLICANS AND INDEPENDENTS. IF INDEED HE IS ABLE TO BRING THOSE INDEPENDENTS AND REPUBLICANS INTO DEMOCRATIC CAUCUSES, WHICH WE HAVE NOT REALLY SEEN TO ANY LARGE EXTENT, IT COULD BE A HUGE REMAKING OF THE NATURE OF THE IOWA CAUCUSES.

Borg: IOWA CAUCUSES -- I JUST HAVE TIME FOR A YES OR NO HERE. IOWA CAUCUSES, STILL VERY MUCH IN PLAY IN IMPORTANCE, BUT THE DATE ISN'T?

Glover: THE DATE IS UP IN THE AIR. WE'LL SEE. IT WILL PROBABLY CHANGE.

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