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Mike Huckabee

posted on August 3, 2007

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Borg: A DAY OF RECKONING. REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES GET A PREVIEW OF THEIR IOWA SUPPORT IN NEXT WEEK'S STRAW POLL. FORMER ARKANSAS GOVERNOR MIKE HUCKABEE IS AMONG THE CONTENDERS SEEKING A STRAW POLL BOOST INTO THE CAUCUSES. WE'LL QUESTION MIKE HUCKABEE ON THIS EDITION OF 'IOWA PRESS.' >> FUNDING FOR 'IOWA PRESS' WAS PROVIDED BY 'FRIENDS,' THE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION FOUNDATION; AND BY THE IOWA BANKERS ASSOCIATION... FOR PERSONAL, BUSINESS, AND COMMERCIAL NEEDS, IOWA BANKS HELP IOWANS REACH THEIR FINANCIAL GOALS. >> ON STATEWIDE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION, THIS IS THE FRIDAY, AUGUST 3, EDITION OF 'IOWA PRESS.' HERE IS DEAN BORG. >>

Borg: ON SATURDAY OF NEXT WEEK, AUGUST 11, IOWA REPUBLICANS WILL BE GIVING AN EARLY INDICATION OF WHO THEY FAVOR TO LEAD THE PARTY INTO THE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. THAT HAPPENS AT THE REPUBLICAN STRAW POLL IN AMES. IT'S A POLITICAL RALLY THAT LOOKS LIKE A CARNIVAL WITH AIR-CONDITIONED TENTS, ENTERTAINMENT, FOOD, AND ENORMOUS POLITICAL STAKES. BUS LOADS OF IOWA REPUBLICANS WILL BE DESCENDING ON THE SPORTS STADIUM AREAS OF IOWA STATE UNIVERSITY'S CAMPUS, ALL IN THE NATIONAL SPOTLIGHT. OUR 'IOWA PRESS' GUEST TODAY, FORMER ARKANSAS GOVERNOR MIKE HUCKABEE, IS HOPING HIS CAMPAIGNING PAYS OFF WITH A STRONG SHOWING IN THAT STRAW POLL. GOVERNOR HUCKABEE, WELCOME BACK TO 'IOWA PRESS.' >>

Huckabee: WELL, THANK YOU, DEAN. IT'S AN HONOR TO BE BACK ON THIS VERY INSTITUTIONAL PROGRAM. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. >>

Borg: WELL, THANK YOU. AND YOU KNOW THE TWO PEOPLE ACROSS THE TABLE, BECAUSE YOU'VE SEEN THEM OUT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL: 'DES MOINES REGISTER' POLITICAL COLUMNIST DAVID YEPSEN AND 'ASSOCIATED PRESS' SENIOR POLITICAL WRITER MIKE GLOVER. >>

Glover: GOVERNOR, LET'S START WITH A TALK ABOUT THAT STRAW POLL THAT'S COMING UP. WHAT ARE THE POLITICS OF THE STRAW POLL, AND WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES FOR FOLKS WHO DON'T DO WELL? LAST TIME THREE PEOPLE LEFT AFTER THE STRAW POLL. >>

Huckabee: I THINK THE STRAW POLL WILL PROBABLY BE A WINNOWING PROCESS, TO SOME DEGREE. IT SHOULDN'T BE NECESSARILY THE END-ALL-TO-END-ALL FOR EVERYBODY. WE STILL HAVE STRONG ORGANIZATIONS GOING ON IN NEW HAMPSHIRE AND ALSO IN SOUTH CAROLINA, BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT THE PERCEPTION CAN BECOME THE REALITY. AND SO THE REASON WE WANT TO DO WELL IN THE STRAW POLL IS NOT BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE THAT IT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S GOING TO MATTER, BUT IT DOES MATTER IN PERCEPTION. AND IF WE DO WELL, THEN PEOPLE CAN'T IGNORE THAT THERE'S MOMENTUM BUILDING. WE KNOW THAT THERE IS AND WE FEEL LIKE THAT THE DEBATES WERE A GREAT BOOST FOR US. IT CERTAINLY CATAPULTED US TO A WHOLE DIFFERENT LEVEL, AND PEOPLE'S PERCEPTION OF MY CAMPAIGN AND MY CAPACITY TO STAND ON THE STAGE WITH THE OTHERS WAS GREATLY ENHANCED. THIS WILL SHOW SOME ORGANIZATIONAL CAPACITY. AND THE FACT THAT WE, WITH VERY LITTLE RESOURCES, HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PULL TOGETHER GRASS-ROOTS SUPPORT IN A STATE THAT'S CRITICAL, ESPECIALLY FROM A GRASS-ROOTS PERSPECTIVE. >>

Glover: WELL, SET THE BAR. CAN YOU STAY IN THE RACE IF YOU DON'T FINISH IN THE TOP TWO? >>

Huckabee: YEAH, I THINK I CAN. A LOT OF IT DEPENDS ON THE SEPARATIONS. IF YOU HAVE POSITION ONE, POSITION TWO, THREE, AND FOUR, AND THEY'RE ALL FAIRLY CLOSE TOGETHER, THE RANKING MAY NOT BE AS IMPORTANT AS WHAT THE VOTE SPREAD IS. IF YOU HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, AND THEN FOUR WAY DOWN HERE, I THINK THEN FOLKS BEYOND THOSE FIRST THREE SLOTS HAVE GOT TO START SAYING -- >>

Glover: SO THE PERCEPTION THING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IF YOU'RE NOT PERCEIVED AS DOING WELL, YOUR CAMPAIGN PROBABLY CAN'T CONTINUE? >>

Huckabee: YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO PUT A PREDICTION ON HOW IT CAN BECAUSE A LOT OF IT DEPENDS ON WILL OUR DONORS SAY, YOU KNOW, HEY, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. I THINK OUR DONORS ARE GOING TO BE VERY PLEASED WITH WHAT HAPPENS ON AUGUST 11. OUR PERCEPTION IS THAT THE MOMENTUM IS GROWING. PEOPLE ARE COMING TO US IN GREAT NUMBERS. THEY'RE SIGNING UP ON OUR WEB SITE TO COMMIT TO US. WE SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE A GOOD DAY FOR US. >>

Yepsen: GOVERNOR, THE CRITICS OF THAT STRAW POLL, DAVID BROEDER, FOR EXAMPLE, HAVE SAID THIS REALLY GIVES IOWA TWO BITES AT THE APPLE, THAT INSTEAD OF THE CAUCUSES BEING WHAT DETERMINES THIS, IT'S A PAY-TO-VOTE THING IN CENTRAL IOWA, WHICH REALLY WORKS AGAINST IOWANS WHO LIVE IN OTHER PARTS THE STATE. DO YOU THINK THIS GIVES IOWA TWO BITES AT THE APPLE?

Huckabee: IT DOES BUT SO WHAT. THEY GET TWO BITES OF THE APPLE. THE FACT IS IT STILL FORCES CANDIDATES TO SHOW SOME CAPACITY TO SELL THEIR MESSAGE, DEVELOP AN ORGANIZATION, AND WHETHER IT HAPPENS IN IOWA, IF IT DIDN'T, IT HAPPENS SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO I THINK IT'S A MATTER OF MAYBE SOME ENVY IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY THAT, GEE, HOW COME IOWA GET ALL THIS ATTENTION. AND THE ANSWER IS BECAUSE THEY WENT OUT THERE AND SOLD IT SO, SO WHAT. LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN AND MAKE IT WORTHWHILE. >>

Yepsen: ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S GOING ON IN THAT STRAW POLL IS A FIGHT AMONG IOWA'S SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES. I DON'T WANT TO SAY FIGHT. I DON'T WANT TO SAY A FIGHT FOR SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES, BUT RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVES IN YOUR PARTY, AS YOU KNOW, THEY'RE KIND OF HAVING A TOUGH TIME SORTING OUT WHICH CANDIDATE THEY WANT TO SUPPORT. SO WHY ARE YOU THE BEST SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE FOR THE REPUBLICANS? >>

Huckabee: WELL, DAVID, I WANT TO MAKE IT EASY FOR THEM. I WANT TO TELL THEM IT'S JUST SIMPLE. JUST SELECT ME AND WE CAN BE DONE WITH THIS AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

Yepsen: BUT GIVE US YOUR COMMERCIAL, GOVERNOR. >>

Huckabee: WELL, HERE'S WHY. THE EXPERIENCE THAT I HAVE COMING INTO THE RACE I THINK IS A UNIQUE AND A DIFFERENT ONE, PRIMARILY THAT I'VE BEEN AN EXECUTIVE BRANCH PERSON. I'VE ACTUALLY RUN A GOVERNMENT, NOT JUST FOR A BRIEF PERIOD OF TIME BUT FOR TEN AND A HALF YEARS AND PRIOR TO THAT THREE YEARS AS A LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR. I THINK THAT'S THE KIND OF EXPERIENCE THAT IS NEEDED TO BE PRESIDENT, WHERE YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO RUN SOMETHING, MAKE DECISIONS, YOU STAND ALONE WITH THOSE DECISIONS, AND YOU HAVE MEASURABLE RESULTS FOR HOW WELL YOU DID. >>

Yepsen: DOES THAT MAKE YOU DIFFERENT FROM SAM BROWNBACK?

Huckabee: YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I LIKE SAM BROWNBACK. HE'S A GOD MAN AND I THINK OUR PRINCIPLES GENERALLY ARE VERY COMPATIBLE. I DON'T KNOW OF A WIDE VARIATION, BUT THE EXPERIENCE WE HAVE IS DIFFERENT. HE'S BEEN A LEGISLATIVE BRANCH PERSON. I'VE BEEN AN EXECUTIVE BRANCH PERSON. AND I ALSO THINK THE TWO THINGS THAT REALLY PEOPLE WILL LOOK FOR AMONG SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES AND EVANGELICALS, ONE WILL BE THE EXPERIENCE LEVEL AND THE OTHER WILL BE THE COMMUNICATIVE CAPACITY, CAN WE COMMUNICATE NOT JUST TO OUR OWN EVANGELICAL AUDIENCE, CAN WE COMMUNICATE BEYOND, CAN WE REACH OUT AND CAPTURE VOTERS WHO ARE NOT A PART OF OUR CONSTITUENCY. AND PEOPLE LOOK AT MY RECORD AND SAY HERE'S A REPUBLICAN WHO GOT 48 PERCENT OF THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTE IN A VERY DEMOCRATIC STATE, WHO CONSISTENTLY WON STRONG ELECTIONS IN A VERY DEMOCRAT STATE, THERE MUST BE SOMETHING THERE. >>

Yepsen: WHAT DO YOU SAY -- I MEAN RECENTLY ONE OF YOUR SUPPORTERS SENT OUT AN E-MAIL SORT OF CRITICAL OF SENATOR BROWNBACK'S CATHOLICISM. NOW, IS THIS WHAT THIS THING HAS COME DOWN TO IS QUESTIONING PEOPLE'S RELIGIOUS BACKGROUND? >>

Huckabee: WELL, IT WAS UNFORTUNATE. HE APOLOGIZED FOR IT. HE SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HE SAID, AND HE KNOWS THAT. HE SENT IT TO TWO INDIVIDUALS. APPARENTLY IT WAS SENT THEN TO SOMEONE ELSE, AND AS THESE THINGS TYPICALLY HAPPEN, IT GOT SUDDENLY I GUESS STATEWIDE ATTENTION. AND AGAIN, I CERTAINLY DIDN'T CONDONE AND AGREE WITH MAYBE SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE, NOR DID HE AFTER HE SAW THEM IN PRINT. BUT THIS WAS NOT A PERSON ON MY STAFF. IT WAS NOT A PERSON THAT IS PART OF OUR CAMPAIGN. IT'S SIMPLY A GUY WHO SUPPORTS ME. I'M GLAD I'M ABLE TO GARNER HIS SUPPORT, BUT I CAN'T BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT I HOPE ARE MILLIONS OF AMERICANS OUT THERE WHO MIGHT LIKE ME. I CAN'T ACCEPT THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR EVERYTHING THEY MAY SAY OR DO ANY MORE THAN I CAN EXPECT SAM BROWNBACK TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT SUPPORT HIM. NOW, IF THEY'RE ON HIS STAFF, IF HE'S PAYING THEM, IF THEY'RE ON HIS TEAM, THAT'S DIFFERENT. AND THE SAME THING IF THEY'RE ON MY TEAM. IF THEY'RE ON MY STAFF, I'VE GOT TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. I HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. BUT JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY WHO LIKES ME AND IS GOING TO VOTE FOR ME SENDS AN E-MAIL, I CAN HARDLY SAY, OKAY, THAT'S MY FAULT. >>

Borg: GOVERNOR HUCKABEE, IN YOUR ANSWER EARLIER TODAY, YOU WERE TOUCHING ON ELECTABILITY. HOW DO YOU WALK THAT TIGHT ROPE AS A SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE AND YET APPEAL TO THE BROADER ELECTORATE? ISN'T THERE A DANGER OF MOVING THE PARTY TOO FAR TO THE RIGHT? >>

Huckabee: I THINK THERE WOULD BE IF THAT'S ALL I DEALT WITH. BUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LOOK AT MY RECORD AS A GOVERNOR, AND THEY SAY HERE'S A GUY WHO NOT ONLY SERVED THE CONSTITUENCY OF CUTTING TAXES AND PASSING PRO-LIFE LEGISLATION, NOT TALKING ABOUT IT -- AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE LOOK FOR, NOT WHAT DO I BELIEVE BUT WHAT HAVE I DONE. THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SAYING I BELIEVE CERTAIN THINGS AND I'VE DONE CERTAIN THINGS. BUT IF THEY LOOK AT THAT RECORD, THEY'LL ALSO FIND A GUY WHO LED IN ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, WHO LED IN ROAD CONSTRUCTION, WHO HAD THE MOST SIGNIFICANT EDUCATION GAINS THAN ANY ARKANSAS GOVERNOR PROBABLY HAS SEEN SO THAT THE KORET FOUNDATION, NOT JUST MY WORDS, THEY SAID WE DID MORE IN FIVE YEARS IN EDUCATION REFORM THAN HAD BEEN DONE IN THE PREVIOUS FIFTY. CLEARLY MOVED THE BALL IN TERMS OF WHAT OUR MEASURABLE TEST SCORES WERE. HEALTH CARE, NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED FOR THE INNOVATIONS IN HEALTH CARE. >>

Borg: THAT MAY BE FOR YOU AS A PERSON. BUT OVERALL PARTY, ISN'T THERE A DANGER THAT REPUBLICANS WILL BE PERCEIVED AS TOO SOCIALLY CONSERVATIVE? >>

Huckabee: I DON'T THINK SO. YOU KNOW, RONALD REAGAN WAS ACCUSED THAT HE WAS GOING TO BE TOO FAR TO THE RIGHT, AND HE GOT ELECTED TWICE. GEORGE W. BUSH CERTAINLY RAN ON STRONG CONSERVATIVE PLATFORM. HIS FATHER ACTUALLY MOVED SIGNIFICANTLY TO THE RIGHT IN ORDER TO BE ELECTED, CHANGED FROM SOME POSITIONS HE HAD HELD IN 1980 WHEN HE WASN'T ELECTED. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, NOT JUST THE NOMINEE BUT THE ACTUAL ULTIMATE WINNER, IT'S NOT THE PERSON WHO RUNS FROM THE RIGHT, IT'S THE PERSON WHO SAYS, LOOK, UNAPOLOGETICLY, I'M CONSERVATIVE. NOW, I THINK CONSERVATIVISM HAS TO BE CAREFUL. I TELL PEOPLE I'M A CONSERVATIVE. I'M NOT MAD AT ANYBODY OVER IT. I DON'T USE IT AS A CLUB TO HIT PEOPLE. IT'S JUST AN INDICATION OF WHERE I AM IDEOLOGICALLY. NOW, WHAT I STILL THINK PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR IS NOT SO MUCH A PERSON WHO GOVERNS HORIZONTALLY: LEFT-RIGHT, LIBERAL-CONSERVATIVE, DEMOCRAT-REPUBLICAN. PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY ARE TIRED OF THAT VERY DIVIDED HORIZONTAL PERSPECTIVE. THEY'RE LOOKING FOR LEADERS WHO WILL GOVERN VERTICALLY, WHO WILL SAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SAFER NEIGHBORHOODS, BETTER SCHOOLS, BETTER ROADS, AND NOW OF COURSE THIS WEEK, BETTER INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE BRIDGES AND SEWER SYSTEMS. THAT'S BECOME AN ISSUE. I WROTE ABOUT IT IN MY BOOK A YEAR AGO WHEN NOBODY ELSE WAS TALKING ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE WE HAVE A CRUMBLING INFRASTRUCTURE. THOSE ARE ISSUES THAT PEOPLE EXPECT US TO TAKE NOT JUST A POSITION ON BUT TAKE A LEADERSHIP ROLE IN. >>

Glover: I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO THIS ISSUE OF RELIGION. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE IS A VERY REAL POSSIBILITY OF A RELIGIOUS TEST IN REPUBLICAN POLITICS THESE DAYS. ONE OF YOUR SUPPORTERS HAS CRITICIZED SENATOR BROWNBACK FOR HIS CATHOLICISM. THERE HAVE BEEN CRITICISMS OF GOVERNOR ROMNEY FOR HIS MORMON FAITH. IS THERE A DANGER OF A RELIGIOUS TEST EMERGING IN REPUBLICAN POLITICS? >>

Huckabee: OH, I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK A LOT OF IT IS VARIOUS SUPPORTERS LOOKING FOR WAYS TO FIND SOME SEPARATION. YOU KNOW, THE IRONY OF THE WHOLE ISSUE WITH THE SENATOR'S CAMPAIGN IS, GOSH, MOST OF MY SENIOR STAFF ARE CATHOLIC: MY CAMPAIGN MANAGER, MY POLICY DIRECTOR, MY COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR, MY IOWA POLITICAL MANAGER HERE -- CAMPAIGN MANAGER IN IOWA. A HOST OF OUR PEOPLE -- IN FACT WHEN THIS WHOLE THING STARTED, I FOUND THAT THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE ON MY STAFF, I NEVER ASKED THEM THEIR RELIGION, THAT CAME AND SAID, WELL, I'M CATHOLIC TOO. I STARTED SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO GET SOME MORE BAPTISTS IN THIS GROUP HERE. [ LAUGHTER ] SO I STARTED TO THINK MAYBE WE HAD OVERLOADED WITH CATHOLICS. >>

Yepsen: GOVERNOR, I WANT TO ASK YOU SOMETHING ABOUT THE PRO-LIFE MOVEMENT. WHEN I INTERVIEWED YOU EARLIER IN THE CAMPAIGN, YOU SAID YOU THOUGHT THAT PRO-LIFERS WERE TOO CONCERNED ABOUT BIRTH AND REPRODUCTION BEFORE BIRTH AS OPPOSED TO WHAT HAPPENS TO THE CHILD AFTERWARDS. >>

Huckabee: EXACTLY. >>

Yepsen: ELABORATE ON THAT. >>

Huckabee: WELL, I HAVE SAID FOR MANY YEARS THAT AS A PRO-LIFE PERSON AND ONE WHO GOT INTO POLITICS IN MANY WAYS BECAUSE OF DEEP CONVICTIONS AS A PRO-LIFE ADVOCATE THAT WE HAD TO BE MORE BROAD IN OUR EXPLAINING THAT PRO-LIFE IS NOT JUST THE GESTATION PERIOD, THAT IF WE ACTED LIKE THE ONLY TIME WE CARED ABOUT A CHILD WAS WHILE IT WAS IN THE WOMB, BUT ONCE IT GOT OUT OF THE WOMB, HEY, KID YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN -- YOU KNOW, IF YOU SLEEP UNDER A BRIDGE OR IF YOU GO HUNGRY, THAT'S JUST TOO BAD -- THEN WE'RE NOT REALLY PRO-LIFE. PRO-LIFE HAS TO BE ABOUT LIFE OF A HUMAN BEING BECAUSE OF ITS INTRINSIC WORTH AND VALUE. IT'S WHAT I THINK GIVES US OUR UNIQUE IDENTITY AS A CULTURE IN CIVILIZATION IN THE WEST AND PARTICULARLY IN THE UNITED STATES. WE TREAT EVERY INDIVIDUAL WITH RESPECT, DIGNITY, AND OF INCREDIBLE WORTH, AND THAT'S WHY WHAT MAKES US UNIQUE IS THAT WE TREAT A LIFE OF ONE AS IF IT'S THE LIFE OF ALL. >>

Yepsen: GOVERNOR, I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF THIS CAMPAIGN, MONEY. YOU MENTIONED EITHER THAT YOU'RE DOING YOUR CAMPAIGN ON VERY LIMITED RESOURCES. ARE YOU AT A DISADVANTAGE AS A FORMER GOVERNOR IN RAISING MONEY COMPARED TO U.S. SENATE CANDIDATES? >>

Huckabee: ABSOLUTELY, YEAH.

Yepsen: I MEAN I'M STRUCK BY THE FACT THAT THE TWO CANDIDATES THAT HAVE DROPPED OUT OF THIS RACE SO FAR, JIM GILMORE IN YOUR PARTY AND TOM VILSACK OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, ARE BOTH FORMER GOVERNORS. >>

Huckabee: THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT IF YOU HOLD AN OFFICE, PARTICULARLY ONE THAT STILL HAS A LITTLE LEVERAGE LIKE A CONGRESSMAN OR A SENATOR OR EVEN A SITTING GOVERNOR, YOU CERTAINLY HAVE LEVERAGE BECAUSE THERE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE WHO GIVE TO YOU, NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE THEY EITHER THINK YOU SHOULD OR WOULD BE PRESIDENT OR EVEN COULD BE PRESIDENT. >>

Yepsen: WELL, WHAT SHOULD WE CHANGE IN THIS COUNTRY TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD? >>

Huckabee: YOU KNOW, THE MCCAIN-FEINGOLD BILL IS ONE WORST DISASTERS THAT EVER HAPPENED TO MONEY BECAUSE HERE'S WHAT IT DOES. IT GIVES PEOPLE SITTING IN CONGRESS A CHANCE TO DOUBLE DIP, AND I THINK PEOPLE OUGHT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS BILL REALLY DID. IT GIVES UNLIMITED POWER TO THESE THIRD PARTY GROUPS LIKE, YOU KNOW, DISSIDENT GROUPS, CLUB FOR GROWTH OR WHOEVER THEY ARE, THE 527s. THEY CAN JUST RAISE AND SPEND AND DO ALL SORTS OF THINGS TO PEOPLE. ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU'VE GOT SENATORS WHO CAN DOUBLE DIP. THEY CAN TAKE MONEY FROM YOU FOR THEIR SENATE CAMPAIGN. THEN THEY CAN TRANSFER THAT TO THEIR PRESIDENTIAL, BUT YOU CAN ALSO GIVE TO THEIR PRESIDENTIAL. NOW, AS A FORMER STATE OFFICIAL, I START FROM ZERO. I CAN'T TRANSFER MONEY, NOT FROM MY STATE ACCOUNT, NOT FROM A PAC, NOT FROM ANYTHING. I HAVE TO START FROM ZERO, GET ON THE PHONE, CALLING UP SOME FRIENDS IN EARLY FEBRUARY AND SAYING WOULD YOU SEND A CHECK NEXT TUESDAY SO WE CAN OPEN A BANK ACCOUNT. SO IT GIVES YOU A DISTINCT DISADVANTAGE. THE OTHER DISADVANTAGE, IF YOU'RE NOT PERSONALLY WEALTHY -- AND I REALLY HOPE THIS COUNTRY DOESN'T COME DOWN TO EXCHANGING A PRESIDENCY FOR A PLUTOCRACY. AND I DO FEAR WE'RE ON THE VERGE OF GETTING THERE WHERE CANDIDATES HAVE SORT OF WHAT I CALL CHECKBOOK CREDIBILITY. THEY'RE REALLY NOT SERIOUS CANDIDATES IN THAT THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING SUBSTANTIAL IN THEIR LIVES OR CAREERS THAT SAY I COULD BE PRESIDENT, BUT THEY HAVE A BIG CHECKBOOK AND THEY CAN WRITE THE CHECK, THEREFORE THEY ARE SUDDENLY CREDIBLE. >>

Glover: ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S HAPPENED SINCE THIS RACE HAS SORT OF UNFOLDED OVER THE MONTHS IS THE FIELD HAS CHANGED, THE STATUS OF SOME OF THE LEADING CANDIDATES HAS CHANGED. SENATOR MCCAIN, YOU MENTIONED HIS NAME. HE'S GONE THROUGH SOME REALLY TOUGH TIMES IN HIS CAMPAIGN, HIS FUND-RAISING HAS NOT BEEN VERY STRONG. HE'S HAD TO CUT STAFF, INCLUDING HERE IN IOWA. IS HE DONE? >>

Huckabee: GOSH, THAT'S FOR HIM TO DECIDE. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE TO SORT OF RESURRECT THE CAMPAIGN. IT'S A LOT EASIER TO DO AS I HAVE DONE, AND THAT'S START AT ZERO AND BEING MOVING UP, THAN IT IS TO START AT THE TOP AND HAVE TO SLIDE TO THE BOTTOM AND START BACK UP THE HILL. TO REGAIN MOMENTUM IS TOUGH. >>

Glover: YOU'RE A PRACTICING POLITICIAN. YOU'VE SEEN CAMPAIGNS OVER THE YEARS. HIS CAMPAIGN IS VERY BADLY WOUNDED, ISN'T IT? >>

Huckabee: THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT HE SUFFERED A SERIOUS BLOW. WHETHER IT'S A MORTAL BLOW OR NOT, I THINK HIS SUPPORTERS WILL BE THE ONES TO DETERMINE. I KNOW THAT MOST PEOPLE, FRANKLY, THE POLITICAL INSIDERS AND OTHERS HAVE SORT OF SAID, HEY, THE DOCTOR -- I'M TRYING TO THINK WHICH COLUMNIST USED THE PHRASE 'THE DOCTOR HAS LEFT THE ROOM.' AND THAT'S A PRETTY SERIOUS ANALOGY OR METAPHOR FOR -- IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY. WHEN THE MACHINE IS GOING 'BEEEEEP' AND ACROSS LIKE THAT, IT'S NOT GOOD. [ LAUGHTER ] >>

Glover: LET'S LOOK AT ANOTHER LEADING CANDIDATE, FORMER NEW YORK MAYOR RUDY GIULIANI. THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM IS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AS IT'S CURRENTLY CONSTITUTED WILL NOT NOMINATE A PRO CHOICE, PRO GUN CONTROL CANDIDATE, AND YET MOST NATIONAL POLLS I'VE SEEN SHOW HIM ATOP. ASSESS HIS CANDIDACY. >>

Huckabee: I STILL THINK HE'LL HAVE TROUBLE IN THE LONG TERM SELLING THOSE VIEWS TO THE RANK AND FILE REPUBLICAN VOTER BECAUSE THOSE VIEWS DON'T SYNC WITH WHERE REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN OVER THE PAST THIRTY YEARS. MANY PEOPLE BECAME REPUBLICANS, LEFT THE DEMOCRAT PARTY OVER THE ISSUE OF THE SANCTITY OF A HUMAN LIFE, OVER THE ISSUE OF A SECOND AMENDMENT BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED IN A TRADITIONAL, VERY CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF MARRIAGE BEING BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN AND NOTHING ELSE AND NO OTHER VARIATIONS OF THAT. AND SO IF YOU HAVE A CANDIDATE WHO COMES ALONG AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, I DEFY ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT BROUGHT MANY OF YOU TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OUT OF THE DEMOCRAT PARTY, MANY OF THEM ARE GOING TO SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS GOING TO GO THERE, I MIGHT AS WELL GO BACK TO THE HOME TO THE DEMOCRAT PARTY. >>

Glover: THEN EXPLAIN HIS STANDING IN MOST THE POLLS I'VE SEEN. HE'S ATOP MOST OF THE POLLS, INCLUDING THOSE HERE IN IOWA.

Huckabee: MOST OF THE POLLS THESE DAYS ARE NOT BASED ON ISSUES. THEY'RE BASED ON NAME RECOGNITION AND A SENSE OF CELEBRITY. PEOPLE SORT OF SAY IF THEY'RE ASKED THE NAMES OF THREE PEOPLE AND THEY DON'T KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT PEOPLE, THEY TEND TO JUST NAME THE BRAND THEY KNOW MOST. AND IT'S NOT UNLIKE, YOU KNOW, TESTING CEREAL. IF YOU PUT THREE BOWLS OF CEREAL IN FRONT OF SOMEBODY, ONE OF THEM IS CHEERIOS AND TWO ARE BRAND 'X,' BRAND 'Y,' THEY'VE NEVER TASTED EITHER ONE OF THEM, THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO PICK THE CHEERIOS JUST BECAUSE IT'S THE KNOWN BRAND. >>

Glover: SO AS VOTERS TUNE IN, THEY'LL FLIP AWAY FROM HIM?

Huckabee: SURE THEY WILL. THIS IS SO EARLY. AND I THINK EVERYBODY WHO IS OBSERVING THIS, AND YOU GUYS MORE THAN ANYBODY KNOW THAT THIS RACE IS STILL VERY EARLY. WE'RE MONTHS AWAY FROM A FIRST VOTE THAT REALLY COUNTS. AND I TELL PEOPLE EVERY DAY I HAVE AS MANY VOTES AS ANY OF THE FRONT-RUNNERS RIGHT NOW. >>

Yepsen: GOVERNOR, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE HUCKABEE BOWL OF CEREAL. I WANT TO GIVE YOU A COMMERCIAL HERE. A REPUBLICAN ACTIVIST LOOKS AT THIS FIELD AND HAS A HARD TIME SORTING IT OUT. WHY YOU? >>

Huckabee: I THINK THERE'S SEVERAL REASONS, DAVID. FIRST OF ALL, I REPRESENT WHAT REPUBLICANS STAND FOR. NOT JUST ON THE SOCIAL ISSUES. SURE, I'M PRO-LIFE, I'M PRO-MARRIAGE, I HAVE A RECORD OF HAVING LED -- PASSED LEGISLATION IN A STATE WHERE THAT HAD NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. FISCALLY, I LED A GOVERNMENT THAT CUT TAXES FOR THE FIRST TIME IN ITS 160-YEAR HISTORY: 94 TIMES WE CUT TAXES, INCLUDING THE FIRST-EVER BROAD-BASED TAX CUT. I LEFT THE STATE WITH AN $800-MILLION SURPLUS, NOT A DEFICIT. I LED THE STATE TO A COMPLETE OVERHAUL OF ITS ROADS SYSTEM. WE TRANSFORMED EDUCATION IN OUR STATE. WE SAW HEALTH CARE REALLY CHANGE, NOT JUST FOR THE CONSERVATIVES BUT FOR EVERYBODY. BUT I DID IT IN A STATE WHERE THE POLITICAL STAKES WERE TOUGH AND HARD. AND ONLY THE FOURTH REPUBLICAN ELECTED IN 150 YEARS, PROVED THAT I COULD WORK WITH PEOPLE ACROSS THE BOARD. FOLKS ARE LOOKING FOR LEADERS WHO NOT ONLY STAND FOR SOMETHING AND HAVE SOME WHAT I WOULD CALL IDEOLOGICALLY PURITY BUT WHO HAVE SOME EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT CAPACITY. I ALSO THINK THAT WHEN PEOPLE UNDERSTAND I DO GET IT WHEN IT COMES TO THE WAR ON TERROR, I UNDERSTAND WE'RE IN A THEOLOGICAL WAR -- I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T YET FULLY GRASP WHAT THAT MEANS -- I BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE ALSO LOOK FOR A CANDIDATE WHO CAN COMMUNICATE. >>

Glover: I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO THE CLUB FOR GROWTH, WHICH THREW UP A COMMERCIAL AGAINST YOU CRITICIZING YOUR RECORD ON TAXES. RESPOND TO THAT. >>

Huckabee: FIRST OF ALL, I'M FLATTERED. I MEAN OBVIOUSLY I MUST BE A THREAT TO SOMEBODY. AND I THINK THE REAL QUESTION IS NOT WHAT HAVE THEY SAID, BECAUSE THEY'VE SAID IT BEFORE. IT'S BEEN REFUTED REPEATEDLY IN NATIONAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS. THEY HAVE TAKEN WHAT THEIR CHARGES ARE AND HAVE JUST KNOCKED THEM DOWN ONE AFTER ANOTHER AND SAID -- YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST NOT ACCURATE. WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS NOT CORRECT. BUT BEYOND THAT, LET'S STEP BACK AND ASK, NOW, WHO IS IT THAT IS SO THREATENED BY MIKE HUCKABEE IN IOWA THAT THEY'RE SPENDING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO ATTACK ME ON TELEVISION. THE REAL QUESTION IS WHO'S BEHIND IT. I MEAN THIS DIDN'T JUST HAPPEN. SOME THINK TANK IN WASHINGTON IS NOT JUST SITTING AROUND AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME EXTRA MONEY TO BURN. >>

Yepsen: WELL, WHAT'S YOUR ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION? >>

Huckabee: I DON'T KNOW. YOU GUYS OUGHT TO FIND THAT OUT. YOU'RE THE REPORTERS AND THE INVESTIGATORS. NOT ME. I'M OUT THERE CAMPAIGNING FOR PRESIDENT. BUT SOMEBODY IS GOING RAISE THAT QUESTION. SOMEBODY IS GOING TO DIG IT OUT AND FIND OUT WHO'S BEHIND IT, AND IT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING STORY. >>

Borg: SPEAKING BACK ON TAXES, HOWEVER, YOU REFERRED EARLIER TO THE TRAGEDY IN MINNEAPOLIS, THE BRIDGE COLLAPSE. >>

Huckabee: YES. >>

Borg: IS IT TIME THAT WE AS A NATION, AS STATES, LOOK AT RAISING TAXES TO FIX THE INFRASTRUCTURE? >>

Huckabee: WELL, I THINK THE ANSWER SOME PEOPLE HAVE IS ALWAYS RAISING TAXES. SOMETIMES IT'S REALLOCATING MONEY. SOMETIMES IT'S MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE USER FEES IN PLACE. THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO USE THINGS THE MOST WILL PAY FOR THEM. WHEN WE DID OUR ROAD PROGRAM IN ARKANSAS, I TOOK IT TO THE PEOPLE ON A BALLOT. ONE OF THE THINGS THE CLUB FOR GROWTH CRITICIZES ME FOR IS THAT ROAD PROGRAM. BUT THAT WAS PUT OUT THERE. THE PEOPLE OF ARKANSAS HAD A CHOICE. YOU WANT BETTER ROADS? OKAY, HERE'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THEM; WE'LL HAVE AN INCREASE IN OUR FUEL TAXES. NOW, IF YOU DON'T WANT THE ROADS, YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY THE TAXES. YOU KNOW WHAT? EIGHTY PERCENT -- 80 PERCENT OF OUR PEOPLE VOTED FOR BETTER ROADS, AND THEY WERE WILLING TO PAY FOR THEM. NOW, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF. I SHOULD BE PROUD OF THE FACT THAT WE BUILT THOSE ROADS AND REBUILT OUR ECONOMY, CREATED 40,000 JOBS, PUT A BILLION DOLLARS OF WORKING CAPITAL INTO OUR STATE, KEPT US FROM GOING THROUGH AS DEEP A RECESSION AS OTHER STATES, AND THAT'S A GOOD THING. >>

Yepsen: GOVERNOR -- >>

Huckabee: GO AHEAD. >>

Yepsen: I'M SORRY. THAT'S WHAT YOU DID. I WANT TO KNOW PROSPECTIVELY WHAT DOES THIS COUNTRY DO NOW ABOUT ITS INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEMS. >>

Huckabee: WELL, IT'S GOT TO FIRST OF ALL TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S A FEDERAL RESPONSIBILITY, WHAT'S A STATE. THERE ARE A LOT OF FEDERAL RESPONSIBILITIES. ONE THING I'D DO IS FIX THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL SYSTEM, AND WE CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL WE GO TO A SATELLITE BASED TECHNOLOGY. WE ARE USING TECHNOLOGY THAT IS OLDER THAN I AM AND, YOU KNOW, I'M GETTING PRETTY OLD NOW. I WAS BORN IN 1955. THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE'RE USING TO RUN THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL SYSTEM WAS DEVELOPED IN 1950. WE NOW HAVE MORE SOPHISTICATED NAVIGATION SYSTEMS IN RENTAL CARS THAN WE DO THAT'S RUNNING THE AIRPORT SYSTEM. AND IF YOU'VE FLOWN LATELY, AS I DO ALMOST EVER OTHER DAY IN THIS COUNTRY ON A COMMERCIAL FLIGHT, THEN YOU'LL FIND THAT YOU'LL SIT ON TARMACS FOREVER, DELAYED FLIGHTS, CANCELED FLIGHTS, OFTEN UNNECESSARILY BECAUSE THE SYSTEM IS CLOGGED. >>

Borg: YOU SOUND LIKE AN EARLY WARNING OF SOMETHING ABOUT TO HAPPEN IN THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL SYSTEM. >>

Huckabee: WE ARE JUST ABOUT TO THE POINT OF COLLAPSE IN OUR AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL SYSTEM. WE HAVE TEN TIMES THE NUMBER OF AIRCRAFT UP IN THE AIR THAN WE HAD REALLY BACK WHEN THE SYSTEM WAS DESIGNED. TEN TIMES THE NUMBER OF PLANES. FAR MORE CORPORATE PLANES THAN WE EVER HAD, FAR MORE IN THE GENERAL AVIATION. THAT'S A GOOD THING OVERALL.

Borg: CRISIS? CRISIS? >>

Huckabee: IT'S APPROACHING IT. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, IF YOU'VE FLOWN LATELY, IT'S A CRISIS. IF YOU SIT IN THE AIRPORT FOR TWELVE HOURS OR LONGER AND GET STRANDED AND YOU DON'T GET TO YOUR NEXT EVENT BECAUSE YOU'RE SITTING AT LAGUARDIA AIRPORT WITH THE POWER GOING OUT AND CANCELED FLIGHTS AND BEING TOLD WHEN IT'S GOING TO LEAVE AND YOU KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AND THEN YOU GET TO YOUR DESTINATION AND YOUR LUGGAGE IS IN THREE CITIES SOMEWHERE ELSE, YEAH, IT'S A FRUSTRATION. >>

Glover: GOVERNOR, LET'S LOOK AT A LARGER PICTURE AGAIN. IF WE COULD STEP BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT MOST SEE NEXT YEAR SHAPING UP TO BE, YOU HAVE A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT WHO EVERY POLL I'VE SEEN SHOWS IS PRETTY UNPOPULAR. YOU HAVE A WAR IN IRAQ THAT EVERY POLL I'VE SEEN IS PRETTY UNPOPULAR. MOST OF THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM SAYS NEXT YEAR IS A DEMOCRATIC YEAR. HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT? >>

Huckabee: WELL, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING THAT'S LOWER THAN PRESIDENT BUSH'S RATINGS, CONGRESS. >>

Glover: CONGRESS IS NOT ON THE BALLOT. >>

Huckabee: BUT CONGRESS IS A DEMOCRAT CONGRESS, AND I THINK -- I JUST DON'T BUY INTO THE IDEA THAT REPUBLICANS CAN'T WIN IN '08. I'LL SAY THIS, SOME REPUBLICANS CAN'T. BUT PEOPLE DON'T ELECT THE REPUBLICAN, THEY ELECT A PERSON. AND IF WE NOMINATE SOMEONE -- I WOULD SUGGEST ME, AMAZINGLY ENOUGH. BUT I THINK THAT PEOPLE CAN LOOK BEYOND JUST OUR PARTY AFFILIATION TO WHAT IT IS THAT WE STAND FOR, CAN WE ARTICULATE THOSE THINGS THAT MATTER TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, CAN WE TOUCH THEM WHERE THEY SIT AT THE DINNER TABLE AT NIGHT. FRANKLY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S LACKING IN THIS ENTIRE ELECTION PROCESS IS THAT WE HAVE BEEN SO OVERSHADOWED IN THE DEBATES, FOR EXAMPLE, ON ISSUES OF IRAN -- I MEAN IRAQ AND TO SOME DEGREE IRAN, BUT MOSTLY IRAQ, AND THE WAR ON TERROR, THAT WE'VE -- YOU KNOW, IN THREE DEBATES WE HAD NOT ONE QUESTION ON EDUCATION, NOT ONE. ONE QUESTION ON HEALTH CARE. YOU CANNOT TELL ME THAT AMERICANS DON'T CARE ABOUT THOSE ISSUES BECAUSE I KNOW THEY DO. >>

Yepsen: GOVERNOR, WE'VE ONLY GOT ABOUT A MINUTE LEFT AND I DO WANT TO TOUCH ON ONE ISSUE THAT'S REALLY TEARING UP YOUR PARTY AND THAT'S THE QUESTION OF IMMIGRATION. WHAT SHOULD THE COUNTRY DO ABOUT IT? >>

Huckabee: WELL, UNTIL WE SEAL THE BORDERS, NOTHING IS GOING TO MAKE ANYBODY SATISFIED BECAUSE -- YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE COME UPON A WRECK, THE FIRST THING YOU DO IS NOT CLEAN UP THE PAVEMENT; THE FIRST THING YOU DO IS STOP THE BLEEDING. WHAT THE SENATE DID, WHICH WAS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, IS SAY, OKAY, LET'S GO IN HERE AND COME OUT WITH A WAY TO DEAL WITH ALL THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE. AND YOU SAY, NO, THE FIRST THING YOU'VE GOT TO DO IS TO SEAL THE BORDER AND HAVE A WAY THAT YOU CONTROL WHO DOES COME IN. HERE'S THE REALITY. WHEN I HEAR PEOPLE SAY WE CAN'T KEEP UP WITH ALL THESE PEOPLE, LOOK, FED EX AND U.P.S. DOES A BETTER JOB OF KEEPING UP WITH A PACKAGE I ORDERED FROM AMAZON.COM THAN THIS GOVERNMENT CAN KEEP UP WITH 20 MILLION PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY. IT OUGHT NOT TO BE HARDER TO GET ON AN AIRPLANE IN MY HOMETOWN OF LITTLE ROCK THAN IT IS TO GET THROUGH AN INTERNATIONAL BORDER, BUT IT IS, SO SEAL THE BORDER. >>

Yepsen: OKAY. SEAL THE BORDER BUT THEN WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE 12 MILLION ILLEGALS THAT ARE ALREADY HERE? >>

Huckabee: YOU PUT MOST OF THE BURDEN NOT ON THE INDIVIDUAL WHO IS AN ILLEGAL WHO IS SCARED TO DEATH TO LIFT HIS HEAD ABOVE THE SOIL, YOU PUT IT ON THE BUSINESSES WHO HIRE, BECAUSE IF YOU REALLY WANT TO FIX THIS PROBLEM, YOU STOP THE FLOW AT THE POINT OF THOSE WHO ARE DOING THE HIRING, NOT THOSE WHO ARE BEING HIRED. >>

Yepsen: CAN THE ECONOMY HANDLE THAT? WHAT ABOUT THE ARGUMENT THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE DOING JOBS THAT AMERICANS DON'T WANT TO DO? >>

Huckabee: THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY DON'T GET TO WORK. I'M SAYING THAT THE PROCESS OF GETTING THEM UP TO A SYSTEM OF LEGALITY HAS TO WORK THROUGH THE EMPLOYER PROCESS, NOT TO THE INDIVIDUAL ILLEGAL WHO DOESN'T EVEN SPEAK THE LANGUAGE. THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT IF YOU REALLY WANT TO STOP, YOU KNOW, THIS RUNAWAY PROBLEM, SEAL THE BORDER, CREATE A SYSTEM WHERE THE PENALTIES, THE RESTITUTION, THE ISSUES THAT CERTAINLY ARE NOT AMNESTY, BUT A PROCESS TO GET PEOPLE LEGALLY PROCESSED IS DONE THROUGH THE EMPLOYERS.

Borg: ONE THING I'M IN CHARGE OF IS STOPPING THE PROGRAM. >>

Huckabee: AND THAT'S ME. >>

Borg: WE'RE OUT OF TIME. THANKS FOR SPENDING TIME WITH US TODAY. >>

Huckabee: THANK YOU. PLEASURE TO BE WITH YOU. >>

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