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Reporters' Roundtable

posted on November 16, 2007

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Borg: TIME SHORTENS, RHETORIC SHARPENS. FEWER THAN FIFTY DAYS REMAINING UNTIL IOWA'S 2008 PRESIDENTIAL PREFERENCE CAUCUSES. IOWA POLITICAL JOURNALISTS SURVEY THE CAMPAIGN LANDSCAPE ON THIS EDITION OF 'IOWA PRESS.'

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ON STATEWIDE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION, THIS IS THE FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 16 EDITION OF 'IOWA PRESS.' HERE IS DEAN BORG.

Borg: IOWA'S TWO MAJOR PRECAUCUS EVENTS, THE REPUBLICANS' RONALD REAGAN FALL DINNER AND THE DEMOCRATS' JEFFERSON-JACKSON DAY DINNER, BEHIND US NOW, AND IT'S CRUNCH TIME. ACTIVISTS IN BOTH PARTIES WHO HAVEN'T MADE UP THEIR MINDS ARE DOING IT RIGHT NOW, AND THOSE WHO CALL THEMSELVES POLITICAL INDEPENDENTS ARE CHOOSING THEIR PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE FAVORITES. POLLS ARE REFLECTING THOSE DECISIONS AS THE RACES TIGHTEN. INSIGHT TODAY FROM IOWA POLITICAL JOURNALISTS COVERING THE CAMPAIGNS: 'DES MOINES REGISTER' POLITICAL COLUMNIST DAVID YEPSEN; 'RADIO IOWA' NEWS DIRECTOR KAY HENDERSON; 'ASSOCIATED PRESS' SENIOR POLITICAL WRITER MIKE GLOVER; AND 'IOWA PUBLIC RADIO'S' JENEANE BECK. KAY, I MENTIONED THE EVENTS. THE DEMOCRATS HAVE HAD THE MOST RECENT EVENTS, ON THURSDAY NIGHT A DEBATE IN NEVADA AND THEN THE JEFFERSON-JACKSON DAY EVENT HERE IN DES MOINES. DID ANY OF THOSE OR THE CAMPAIGNS CHANGE THE DYNAMICS? WHAT ARE YOU SEEING OUT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL?

Henderson: WELL, I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING OUT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL IS THE INTENSITY OF THIS RACE IS NOW VERY PUBLIC. I WOULD TRACE BACK TO THE PREVIOUS DEBATE IN PHILADELPHIA, WHERE HILLARY CLINTON GAVE AN ANSWER TO A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS SHOULD BE GIVEN DRIVER'S LICENSES. SHE GAVE AN ANSWER THAT ALLOWED HER OPPONENTS TO POUNCE ON HER, TO ACCUSE HER OF TRYING TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. THAT HAS BEEN THE NARRATIVE OF THIS RACE EVER SINCE. THEY SAW AN OPENING AND HER CAMPAIGN DID NOT RESPOND WELL TO THAT. IT TOOK HER A FEW WEEKS TO ACTUALLY GIVE A DEFINITIVE ANSWER ON THAT. AND SO IT'S REALLY CHANGED THE NATURE OF THIS RACE BECAUSE BEFORE THAT THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN WAS SEEN AS THIS VERY PROFESSIONALLY RUN ORGANIZATION. THIS WAS A CANDIDATE WHO, YOU KNOW, SORT OF HAD TEFLON; EVERYTHING THAT WAS COMING AT HER, SHE WAS KIND OF DEFLECTING. THAT SHOWED A WEAKNESS IN THAT CANDIDATE, AND THE OTHER CANDIDATES ARE TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE.

Glover: IN SHORT, DEAN -- I THINK THE SHORT ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS NOTHING CHANGED AND NOTHING WILL CHANGE FOR A WHILE.

Borg: ARE YOU DISAGREEING WITH WHAT KAY SAID?

Glover: SO AN EXTENT, MAYBE. I THINK CERTAINLY CANDIDATES STARTED BEATING ON HILLARY CLINTON. CANDIDATES WHO ARE TRAILING ANOTHER CANDIDATE WILL BEAT UP ON THEM. THAT'S WHAT POLITICS IS ALL ABOUT. I THINK THIS RACE WILL BE JUST LIKE FOUR YEARS AGO. I THINK IT WILL BREAK LATE. I THINK POLLS RIGHT NOW ARE UTTERLY MEANINGLESS. THEY DON'T MEAN ANYTHING BECAUSE I THINK DEMOCRATS IN THIS STATE WILL DECIDE LATE, JUST LIKE THEY DID FOUR YEARS AGO. FOUR YEARS AGO HOWARD DEAN LED IN ALL THE POLLS UP UNTIL JANUARY. DEMOCRATS LOOKED AT HIM, DID NOT SEE HIM STANDING ON THE STAGE WITH GEORGE BUSH, AND IT ALL WENT AWAY. THERE'S A FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON: CAN SHE WIN AN ELECTION? POLLS SHOW HALF OF AMERICA WILL NEVER VOTE FOR HER. THERE'S A FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION ABOUT BARACK OBAMA: IS HE EXPERIENCED ENOUGH? IOWA DEMOCRATS WILL RENDER A JUDGMENT ON THOSE TWO QUESTIONS, BUT THEY'LL RENDER IT LATE AND THEY WON'T MAKE UP THEIR MINDS UNTIL --

Borg: WHY LATE, MIKE?

Glover: BECAUSE DEMOCRATS TAKE THIS -- REPUBLICANS TOO. THEY TAKE THEIR ROLE VERY SERIOUSLY. THOSE ARE VERY SERIOUS QUESTIONS. THEY WANT TO SEE THESE CANDIDATES. THEY WANT TO GIVE THESE CANDIDATES A CHANCE TO ANSWER THEM. IN OTHER WORDS, THEY WANT TO GIVE HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON A CHANCE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION: YES, I CAN WIN AN ELECTION AND HERE'S WHY. THEY WANT BARACK OBAMA TO ANSWER THE QUESTION: YES, I UNDERSTAND THINGS EVEN THOUGH I'M A FIRST-TERM SENATOR; I'M EXPERIENCE ENOUGH TO WIN YOUR SUPPORT, AND HERE'S WHY. THEY'LL WAIT, THEY'LL LET THE CAMPAIGN PLAY OUT, AND THEN I THINK AS THEY WALK IN THE DOOR OF THEIR CAUCUS THAT NIGHT, THEY'LL MAKE UP THEIR MIND.

Borg: DAVE, YOU CHUCKLED JUST A BIT WHEN SHE SAID 'A PROFESSIONALLY RUN CLINTON CAMPAIGN.' I SAW YOU CHUCKLE A BIT.

Yepsen: CLINTON'S CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN VERY SLOPPY. SHE GOES BACK A COUPLE WEEKS AGO TO, AS KAY MENTIONED, THAT POOR DEBATE PERFORMANCE. BUT THEN YOU HAVE THIS WHOLE FLAP OVER PLANTING QUESTIONS. SHE KNOCKS OVER THE FLAG POLL BECAUSE SOME ADVANCE PERSON WAS TOO STUPID TO PUT DOWN A SAND BAG OVER THE FLAG, WHICH IS JUST SORT OF STANDARD. SO IT'S SLOPPINESS AND IT'S MISSED CUES. AND THOSE THINGS, THEY'RE NOT A BIG DEAL IN AND OF THEMSELVES, BUT THEY DO HAVE THE EFFECT, GOING BACK TO WHAT MIKE SAYS, OF GIVING CAUCUS GOERS THE JITTERS. GOING GOERS IN BOTH PARTIES IN THIS STATE UNDERSTAND THEIR DECISION IS IMPORTANT. AND THEY ARE ALMOST PROFESSIONALLY UNDECIDED UNTIL THE VERY END BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SEE HOW IT PLAYS OUT: HOW DOES SOMEBODY DO IN A DEBATE; HOW DOES SOMEBODY HANDLE THEMSELVES? HILLARY CLINTON HAS A BAD DEBATE PERFORMANCE. HER CAMPAIGN IS SLOPPY FOR A WHILE. OH, THIS IS BAD FOR HER. THEN SHE HAS A GOOD DEBATE PERFORMANCE ON THURSDAY NIGHT. BARACK OBAMA HAS A GREAT JEFFERSON-JACKSON SPEECH, ONE OF THE BEST I'VE EVER HEARD, BUT THEN HE HAS KIND OF A MEDIOCRE DEBATE PERFORMANCE. ALL THIS GOES INTO THE DYNAMICS OF CAUCUS GOERS SORT OF WATCHING THE EBB OF FLOW OF THIS, MAKING A DECISION ABOUT WHO DO WENT TO PICK AS A DISTANCE RUNNER HERE.

Borg: AND THEN, JENEANE, ON CAUCUS NIGHT THERE'S GOING TO BE MIND CHANGING.

Beck: OH, SURE. I TALKED TO PEOPLE AT THE JEFFERSON-JACKSON DAY DINNER THAT SAID THEY WERE DISAPPOINTED THAT WHO THEY CONSIDERED TO BE THE MOST EXPERIENCED, WHETHER IT BE RICHARDSON, DODD, OR BIDEN, WEREN'T EVEN BEING CONSIDERED BY THE MAJORITY OF VOTERS. AND SO THEN ON THAT NIGHT IF THEY TRY TO SUPPORT ONE OF THEM AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE SUPPORT, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE THEIR MIND AND LINE UP WITH SOMEONE ELSE. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT DAVE HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THESE LITTLE GAFFS THAT SOMEONE HAS. WELL, WE'RE IN SUCH AN AGE NOW THAT THE GAFF DOESN'T GO AWAY. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT U-TUBE. YOU'VE GOT THE CAMPAIGNS WITH OPTIONS OF RUNNING IT ON THEIR WEBSITES. YOU'VE GOT 24-HOUR NEWS NETWORKS. IF YOU THINK HOWARD DEAN'S SCREAM LASTED FOREVER, NOW I THINK WE'RE EVEN MORE, YOU KNOW, HOOKED INTO THE INTERNET AND MORE PEOPLE ARE WATCHING NEWS CHANNELS ON LINE. THESE KIND OF GAFFS LAST WITH THEM, I THINK, LONGER THAN THEY DID EVEN JUST FOUR YEARS AGO.

Glover: AND SCOTT BRENNAN, THE IOWA DEMOCRATIC CHAIRMAN, I THINK HIT IT ON THE HEAD WHEN HE WAS TALKING TO SOME FOLKS AROUND THE JEFFERSON-JACKSON DAY DINNER, WHEN HE SAID -- I MEAN WE THINK OF THIS AS, OKAY, WE'RE GETTING DOWN TO IT NOW. WE'RE GETTING RIGHT DOWN TO THE PUSH, AND PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO MAKE UP THEIR MINDS. WELL, NO THEY AREN'T. SCOTT BRENNAN DESCRIBED IT TO ME -- AND I AGREE WITH HIM -- THE JEFFERSON-JACKSON DAY DINNER IN NOVEMBER -- EARLY NOVEMBER TRADITIONALLY SERVES AS THE OPENING GUN FOR RACE HOME. IT'S WHEN PEOPLE REALLY START TO TUNE IN, REALLY START TO THINK ABOUT THESE CANDIDATES, DON'T REALLY START TO MAKE UP THEIR MINDS BUT REALLY START TO THINK ABOUT THESE CANDIDATES AND THINK ABOUT THE UPS AND DOWNS. AND DAVID IS RIGHT, THERE ARE GOOD DAYS AND BAD DAYS FOR THESE CAMPAIGNS AND THERE ARE 50 OF THEM LEFT. AND A LOT OF DEMOCRATIC ACTIVISTS ARE GOING TO LET THAT WHOLE FIFTY DAYS PLAY OUT AND THEN MAKE THEIR DECISION.

Borg: AS YOU SURVEY THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN ITSELF -- DAVE HAS RENDERED A LITTLE OPINION HERE -- BUT WHAT ABOUT YOU KAY? AS YOU COVER SENATOR CLINTON'S CAMPAIGN, WHAT IS IT THAT SHE'S SAYING THAT'S RESONATING OR MAYBE NOT SO MUCH?

Henderson: WELL, I WAS STRUCK ON THURSDAY NIGHT DURING THAT DEBATE WHEN CLINTON COMPLAINED ABOUT THE MUD SLINGING, BECAUSE WHAT I HAVE SENSED AMONG DEMOCRATS IS THAT THEY WANT TO FIGHT. AND WHAT WE DON'T YET KNOW IS IF THEY WANT A FIGHT AMONG THE DEMOCRATS OR IF THEY WANT THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE TO SORT OF EMERGE AND THEN GO TO WAR WITH REPUBLICANS. THESE DEMOCRATS ARE HOT FOR A FIGHT. I REMEMBER TALKING TO A COUPLE OF OLD GENTLEMEN AT THE HARKIN STEAK FRY, AND THEY DESCRIBED HILLARY CLINTON AS A TOUGH COOKIE. AND THEY COULDN'T WAIT FOR HER TO GO AGAINST WHOMEVER THE REPUBLICANS NOMINATE BECAUSE THEY SENSED IN HER AN ABILITY TO FIGHT. SO THIS IS -- THIS IS AN INTERESTING STRATEGY FOR HER TO BE USING, IN OTHER WORDS, STIFF-ARMING HER OPPONENTS AND SUGGESTING, YOU KNOW, QUIT THROWING PUNCHES AT ME, SAVE THE PUNCHES FOR THE REPUBLICANS, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE SELLING POINTS OF HILLARY CLINTON WAS THAT SHE WAS A FIGHTER. Beck SHE PROMISED THAT EARLY ON. IN FACT, ON ONE OF HER FIRST VISITS TO IOWA, SHE WAS TRYING TO SAY: I'M NOT JOHN KERRY; WHEN I GET PUNCHED AT, I WILL PUNCH BACK. I MEAN THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS SHE TALKED ABOUT EARLY ON AND TRIED TO ADDRESS. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, KAY, NOW SHE'S NOT SO SURE SHE'S READY TO FIGHT YET ANYWAY.

Yepsen: AND ONE GOOD THING ABOUT ALL THESE INTERMINABLE DEBATES IS THEY DO ENABLE ACTIVISTS TO SEE HOW THEIR CANDIDATES PERFORM. I MEAN DEMOCRATS BETTER UNDERSTAND THE PLUSES AND MINUSES OF THEIR CANDIDATES. REPUBLICANS BETTER UNDERSTAND THE PLUSES AND MINUSES OF THEIRS. BETTER TO HEAR ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON'S BAGGAGE AND NEGATIVES NOW AND SEE HOW SHE HANDLES IT, AND BETTER FOR DEMOCRATS TO UNDERSTAND BARACK OBAMA'S ABILITY TO PERFORM -- HE HAD A PRETTY LOUSY DEBATE PERFORMANCE I THOUGHT ON THURSDAY NIGHT, KIND OF MEANDERING AROUND. AND SO DEMOCRATS SAY, GEE, DO I WANT THAT GOING UP AGAINST A REPUBLICAN IN A YEAR FROM NOW, JUST BEFORE THE ELECTION.

Glover: AND I THINK THE GENESIS OF ALL THAT, I THINK, KAY, IT GOES BACK TO JOHN KERRY. JOHN KERRY DISAPPOINTED A LOT OF DEMOCRATS. THEY PICKED JOHN KERRY BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT HE COULD BE A WINNER. THEY THOUGHT HOWARD DEAN WAS A LOSER. HERE'S A WAR HERO, KIND OF LOOKS LIKE A PRESIDENT, TALL GUY, ALL THAT SORT OF APPEARANCE, CRAGGY APPEARANCE. AND THEN THE REPUBLICANS THREW THE SWIFT BOAT AT HIM, AND HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. HE DIDN'T REACT FOR ALMOST A MONTH.

Yepsen: MIKE, I THINK IOWA DEMOCRATS WERE RIGHT ABOUT ONE THING; JOHN KERRY WAS A BETTER CANDIDATE THAN HOWARD DEAN WOULD HAVE BEEN.

Glover: YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. BUT I THINK WHAT A LOT OF DEMOCRATS ARE WORRIED ABOUT IS WHAT IF WE NOMINATE A CANDIDATE LIKE JOHN KERRY, WHEN THE REPUBLICANS COME AFTER HIM OR HER, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. THEY'LL SIT THERE TWIDDLING THEIR THUMBS. THEY WANT A FIGHTER, I THINK, KAY, THEY DO. AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT THESE PEOPLE IN THIS DEBATE AND SAYING, OKAY, YOU KNOW, SHE THREW A PRETTY GOOD PUNCH BACK AT HIM. WHEN THEY'RE REPUBLICANS, WHETHER IT'S MITT ROMNEY OR RUDY GIULIANI OR WHOEVER IT HAPPENS TO BE THROWS A PUNCH AT HER, SHE'LL HIT BACK.

Henderson: RIGHT, AND I THINK THIS IS -- AGAIN, THIS IS A PERILOUS COURSE FOR HER BECAUSE ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT I'VE HEARD PEOPLE MAKE IS THAT PEOPLE ARE UNDECIDED BECAUSE THEY DON'T THINK SHE CAN WIN. SO I'M NOT SURE THAT HILLARY CLINTON IN THE END GAME IS GOING TO BE MAKING UP THE MINDS OF THOSE UNDECIDEDS TO GO HER WAY, BECAUSE SHE'S A WELL-KNOWN QUANTITY ALREADY, AND --

Yepsen: ALTHOUGH -- GO AHEAD.

Henderson: GO AHEAD.

Yepsen: TO DISAGREE WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT, THE NEW YORK TIMES CBS POLL SHOWS THAT SENATOR CLINTON, AMONG ALL THE DEMOCRATS IS SEEN BY ACTIVISTS AS THE MOST ELECTABLE. SO IF SHE CAN DO SOMETHING TO GET RID OF SOME OF THESE NEGATIVES, SOME OF ANXIETIES, THEN HER POLL NUMBERS GO UP. AND I THINK SHE DOES THAT IN HER PERSONAL APPEARANCES HERE IN IOWA. THEY SEE HER: SHE DOESN'T HAVE HORNS; SHE'S NOT AN OGRE; I KINDA LIKE HER. I THINK SHE'S GOT TO DO MORE OF THAT THAN AND LESS OF THIS HOKEY, FAKE, RALLY STUFF WITH PLANTED QUESTIONS.

Glover: AND I THINK AN IMPORTANT THING, DEAN, IS I THINK IOWA DEMOCRATS UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THEIR DECISION COME JANUARY 3, ASSUMING IT IS JANUARY 3. I'VE HEARD THE ARGUMENT MADE -- AND I KIND OF BUY INTO IT -- IF HILLARY CLINTON MANAGES TO WIN IOWA, WHICH IS ONE OF HER TOUGHEST OF THE EARLY STATES, I REALLY DON'T SEE HOW THEY STOP HER. I REALLY THINK IF SHE WINS IOWA, SHE'S IS THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE. ON THE OTHER HAND IF BARACK OBAMA GETS PAST HERE IN IOWA, I THINK IT ALL STARTS TO FALL APART AND I THINK SOMEBODY ELSE IS THE NOMINEE. AND I THINK DEMOCRATS UNDERSTAND THAT.

Yepsen: IF OBAMA WINS HERE IN IOWA AND BECOMES LIKE GARY HART IN 1984, HE TAKES OFF LIKE A ROCKET AND COULD TAKE -- BOTH SIDES -- THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF THIS IS RACE, DEAN, ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE. ALL THE CANDIDATES UNDERSTAND THIS IS GROUND ZERO. CLINTON STARTS TO WRAP IT UP HERE IF SHE WINS. SO EVERYBODY ELSE HAS GOT TO STOP HER HERE, AND SO THEY POUR IT ON.

Henderson: THE OTHER --

Borg: GO AHEAD, KAY.

Henderson: THE OTHER BIZARRE THING THAT THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN THIS WEEK TOLD REPORTERS IS THAT A MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WHO INDICATE THEY'RE GOING TO CAUCUS FOR HILLARY HAVE NEVER CAUCUSED BEFORE. THE OBAMA CAMP SEEMS TO THINK THAT A HUGE PORTION OF THEIR SUPPORTERS HAVE NEVER CAUCUSED BEFORE. I THINK THAT IS TROUBLESOME FOR BOTH OF THOSE CAMPAIGNS, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE A HISTORY OF GOING TO THESE REALLY ARCANE MEETINGS WHERE YOU GET THE MATH -- YOU GET THE CALCULATOR OUT TO DECIDE WHO IS A VIABLE CANDIDATE, THAT'S A BIG HURDLE TO GO ACROSS.

Glover: AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE GETTING FROM BOTH THE CANDIDATES IS PURE UNADULTERATED SPIN. BOTH CANDIDATES TALK ABOUT CHANGING THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE IOWA CAUCUSES. I'VE HEARD THAT FOR TWENTY YEARS. THERE'S BEEN ONE CANDIDATE IN THAT TIME PERIOD, TWENTY-FIVE YEARS, ONE CANDIDATE IN THAT TIME PERIOD WHO'S ACTUALLY SUCCEEDED IN BRINGING NEW PEOPLE OUT TO PRECINCT CAUCUSES. THAT WAS PAT ROBERTSON IN 1988 WHEN HE BROUGHT EVANGELICALS INTO THE MOLD. I THINK WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE IS THE SAME OLD MIX -- NOT THE SAME 'OLD' MIX. WELL, YEAH THEY ARE OLD. [ LAUGHTER ] -- SAME OLD MIX OF CAUCUS GOERS THAT WE'VE SEEN BEFORE, WITH A LITTLE CHANGE AROUND THE FRINGES.

Yepsen: CERTAINLY JOHN EDWARDS HOPES THAT'S TRUE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE HIS STRENGTH REALLY IS.

Glover: THAT'S RIGHT.

Yepsen: I THINK I DISAGREE WITH MIKE A BIT. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE TURNOUT ON CAUCUS NIGHT, AND I THINK THE TWO WILD CARDS ARE DOES BARACK OBAMA GET ANY OF THESE THOUSANDS OF YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE SHOWING UP AT HIS RALLIES TO SHOW UP. DOES HILLARY CLINTON GET ANY OF THESE BLUE COLOR WOMEN WHO HAVE NEVER PARTICIPATED BEFORE TO SHOW UP. IF EITHER ONE CAN SUCCEED IN THAT STRATEGY, THEY WIN.

Beck: BUT THEY'RE FACING THE HOLIDAYS AND I THINK -- YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I TALKED TO A POLITICAL SCIENTIST ABOUT WHO SAID THESE NEW VOTERS, THESE ONES THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN TO THE CAUCUSES BEFORE REQUIRE MORE HAND-HOLDING, CALLING, TAKING THEM THERE. I MEAN THEY REQUIRE MORE EFFORT AT THE END. AND THE WEEK BEFORE IS THE HOLIDAY, SO THERE ISN'T THE TIME TO PUT IN WITH THEM THAT THEY'RE -- THEY MIGHT GET IN DECEMBER OR JANUARY.

Glover: TRADITIONALLY WHAT HAPPENS WITH CAUCUSES IN MID JANUARY IS PEOPLE GO THROUGH THAT HOLIDAY SEASON, THEY HAVE THEIR CHRISTMAS, THEY HAVE THEIR NEW YEAR'S. THEY WAKE UP JANUARY 2 OR 3 AND THEY GO, OKAY, NOW IT'S TIME TO GET SERIOUS AND DECIDE WHERE I'M GOING TO GO, AND THAT LAST TWO WEEKS IS WHEN THINGS MOVE. THAT'S WHEN HOWARD DEAN FELL APART. THIS TIME THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THERE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO TO TURNOUT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO TO THE BREAKING. I THINK IT'S GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT.

Borg: I MAY PICK UP ON THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER, BUT I WANT TO -- WE HAVEN'T MENTIONED JOHN EDWARDS MUCH. HE WAS PROBABLY THE MOST SHARP IN HIS CRITICISM OF SENATOR CLINTON. HAS HE BACKED OFF, KAY, A LITTLE BIT FROM THAT NOW?

Henderson: NOT A BIT. YOU SAW THE DEBATE PERFORMANCE ON THURSDAY. HE'S NOT BACKING OFF. HE'S A DIFFERENT CANDIDATE THIS TIME. HE IS NOT ONLY SHARPER, HE HAS A LEVEL OF OUTRAGE, AS HE DESCRIBES IT, THAT MAKES HIS RHETORIC VERY, VERY HOSTILE IN SOME INSTANCES.

Borg: OUTRAGE AGAINST?

Henderson: I BEG YOUR PARDON?

Borg: OUTRAGE AGAINST?

Henderson: OUTRAGE AGAINST GEORGE BUSH, WHICH HE'S SORT OF TRYING TO BE THE VESSEL INTO WHICH DEMOCRATS POUR THEIR OUTRAGE ABOUT THE WAR AND ABOUT FOUR MORE YEARS OF GEORGE BUSH, WHEN JOHN KERRY DIDN'T SUCCEED.

Yepsen: I'M NOT SURE JOHN EDWARDS REINVENTION OF HIMSELF IS GOING TO SELL. IOWANS LIKED HIM AS A MODERATE, FRESH, UPBEAT CANDIDATE. NOW HE'S GOT A LEVEL OF ANGER ABOUT HIM. AND ALSO IN THIS DEBATE ON THURSDAY, IT STARTED TO BECOME CLEAR JOHN EDWARDS IS DIFFERENT. HE VOTED FOR THE WAR. HE VOTED FOR THE PATRIOT ACT. HE VOTED FOR YUCCA MOUNTAIN. HE VOTED FOR NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND. I MEAN THERE ARE LOTS OF VOTES THAT HE CAST AS SENATOR THAT HE'S NOW WALKING AWAY FROM. I THINK THERE'S A LIMIT TO THE NUMBER OF TIMES A CANDIDATE CAN SAY 'I MADE I MISTAKE' TO -- UNTIL VOTERS START TO SAY, 'YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY SUBSTANCE.'

Glover: HE HAS A FINE LINE TO WALK. HE HAS A VERY FINE LINE TO WALK. I THINK VOTERS, PARTICULARLY DEMOCRATIC ACTIVISTS, LIKE PASSION IN THEIR CANDIDATES. THEY LIKE THEIR CANDIDATES TO BE WORKED UP, PASSIONATE ABOUT THEIR POSITIONS, BUT THEY DON'T LIKE ANGER, THE WORD YOU USED, DAVID. WHEN YOU CROSS THE LINE FROM PASSION TO ANGER, YOU BEGIN TO TURN PEOPLE OFF. I THINK JOHN EDWARDS IS WALKING THAT FINE LINE AND IN DANGER OF CROSSING OVER AND BECOMING THE ANGRY CANDIDATE, WHICH HOWARD DEAN BECAME.

Beck: THAT'S JUST WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. HE REMINDING ME NOW OF WHERE HOWARD DEAN TAPPED INTO THE PASSION FOUR YEARS AGO. THAT'S WHAT HELPED HIM EARLY ON. AND I DO THINK THAT EDWARDS IS TRYING TO TAP INTO THAT, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK FOR HIM BECAUSE, THE SAME WAY IT FELL APART FOR HOWARD DEAN, I THINK IT COULD FALL APART FOR HIM. PEOPLE, FRANKLY, LIKE HE'S THIS GOOD LOOKING GUY, THIS SUNKIST, EASY-GOING SPIRIT FOUR YEARS AGO. I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS NEW ANGER IS GOING TO WORK FOR HIM EITHER.

Borg: MIKE, YOU SPENT A GOOD SHARE OF THIS PAST WEEK AT A UNITED AUTO WORKERS CONFERENCE, FOUR STATE -- MINNESOTA, ILLINOIS, IOWA, WISCONSIN -- AS I REMEMBER, DELEGATES GATHERED IN DUBUQUE. THEY TROTTED THROUGH THE MAJOR PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES THERE. DID YOU SEE ANYTHING THERE AS THEY RELATED THEMSELVES TO ORGANIZED LABOR, ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL UNIONS IN THE NATION?

Glover: I SAW SOMETHING VERY INTERESTING. I SAW SEVEN CANDIDATES COME THROUGH. ALL SEVEN OF THEM GOT A VERY WARM RESPONSE, STANDING OVATIONS. AND I GOT THE SENSE THAT WHILE INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF THAT GROUP OF LABOR LEADERS MAY HAVE HAD A PREFERENCE OVER ONE, OVER ANOTHER -- THEY MAY HAVE LIKED OBAMA. THEY MAY HAVE LIKED HILLARY CLINTON. I GOT THE REAL SENSE THEY CAN LIVE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WITH ANY ONE OF THOSE MAJOR CANDIDATES, BECAUSE THEY ALL GOT THE LABOR LEADERS WORKED UP. WHILE THEY WERE THERE, THERE WERE FOUR HUNDRED AND SOME DELEGATES REPRESENTING LOCAL UNIONS IN FOUR STATES. THEY TOOK A STRAW POLL, WITH THE STRAW POLL WEIGHTED ON THE MEMBERS THEY REPRESENTED. OBAMA WON THAT STRAW POLL WITH A PRETTY SOLID VOTE. THE EDWARDS PEOPLE WILL RUSH TO POINT OUT THAT THEY WON THE STRAW POLL AMONG IOWA UNION MEMBERS, SO I MEAN YOU CAN SPIN THAT BOTH WAYS AND I THINK IT'S A LITTLE OVERBLOWN. BUT I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT THAT LABOR GROUP, WHICH IS A VERY IMPORTANT GROUP IN IOWA DEMOCRATIC POLITICS, CAN LIVE WITH ANY OF THOSE FOLKS.

Borg: AND IT'S INTERESTING THAT THE ENDORSEMENT REALLY WASN'T AN ENDORSEMENT.

Glover: NO, THE OBAMA PEOPLE WERE WORKING OVERTIME TO TRY SELL IT AS, OH, WE GOT ENDORSED BY THIS MIDWESTERN REGIONAL GROUP OF UNITED AUTO WORKERS. IN FACT THEY WEREN'T. IT WAS A STRAW POLL OF DELEGATES.

Borg: WE TALKED ABOUT THE TOP TIER, THE TOP CANDIDATES IN THE DEMOCRATIC, KAY. WHAT ABOUT THE, WHAT WE NORMALLY SAY, SECOND TIER? ARE THERE ANY THERE WHO ON CAUCUS NIGHT COULD BREAK THROUGH AND SURPRISE US?

Henderson: I DON'T THINK SO.

Borg: NOT BILL RICHARDSON?

Henderson: THEY'RE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME HERE. CHRIS DODD HAS MOVED HAS FAMILY HERE. JOE BIDEN INTENDS TO SPEND THANKSGIVING DAY HERE. BUT I DON'T SEE A SCENARIO WHERE THEY BREAK THROUGH.

Yepsen: WATCH THE GAP, THOUGH DEAN, BETWEEN BILL RICHARDSON AND JOHN EDWARDS. EDWARDS IS IN THIRD PLACE IN MOST OF THESE POLLS NOW. RICHARDSON HAS MOVED UP A FEW POINTS. RICHARDSON STILL HAS THE POTENTIAL TO TURN IN A SURPRISE IF HE GETS A THIRD PLACE.

Glover: AND REMEMBER, THERE ARE, AS WE'VE ALL SAID ON I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OCCASIONS, THERE ARE THREE TICKETS OUT OF IOWA. THERE'S FIRST PLACE, SECOND PLACE, AND THIRD PLACE. THOSE PEOPLE EARNED THE RIGHT TO GO ON AND COMPETE REALISTICALLY IN THE NEXT CONTEST. SO SHOULD EDWARDS FALL OUT OF THAT TOP THREE, GET REPLACED BY RICHARDSON, I THINK IT'S GOOD-BYE. AND I THINK THAT WILL BE ONE OF THE REAL STORIES, IN ADDITION TO WHETHER OBAMA OR CLINTON ACTUALLY PULLS THIS THING OFF HERE. THERE WILL BE A FIGHT FOR THAT THIRD PLACE SLOT AND THE RIGHT TO CONTINUE.

Borg: BEFORE WE LEAVE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND GO TO THE REPUBLICANS, ARE THERE SPECIFIC ISSUES -- I WANT TO TALK ISSUES WITH DEMOCRATS BEFORE I GO TO REPUBLICANS. DAVE, ANY ISSUES THAT ARE RESONATING? IRAQ AND IMMIGRATION HAVE BEEN TOPS ALL THE WAY ALONG, BUT ARE THERE OTHER ISSUES? AND THE REASON I ASK THIS, I SEEM TO SENSE THAT THE ECONOMY IS BECOMING AN ISSUE.

Yepsen: I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED VERY MUCH IN THE CAMPAIGN, AND YET YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE INCREASED VOTER ANGST ABOUT IT. THE DOLLAR IS IN COLLAPSE. THE STOCK MARKET IS SHAKY. THE NATION'S ECONOMY IS SPUTTERING, AND I THINK A YEAR FROM NOW WE COULD BE IN A RECESSION, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE SMARTER THAN I AM WILL TELL YOU THAT. AND SO DEMOCRATS ARE NOT LAYING DOWN A GOOD PREDICATE FOR WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THE NATION'S ECONOMY, AND THAT'S ONE OF THEIR SHORTCOMINGS. WE TALK ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. TALKING ABOUT DRIVER'S LICENSES FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS -- WELL, THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE. THE ISSUE IS HOW THE CANDIDATES HANDLED IT. THEY BUNGLED IT, SO THAT'S WHY THAT BECOMES AN ISSUE. BUT I THINK THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES NEED TO START TALKING MORE ABOUT WHAT THEIR GOING TO DO TO BALANCE THE BUDGET, PAY BILLS, KEEP THE ECONOMY GOING BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE ISSUE OF THE YEAR.

Henderson: AND THE SUBPRIME CRISIS THAT HAS HIT THE NATION'S MORTGAGE INDUSTRY, IOWA IS ONE OF THE TOP STATES IN WHICH PEOPLE BEING FORECLOSED UPON.

Borg: JENEANE, LET'S GO TO THE REPUBLICANS NOW. IS THE BIG STORY THERE MIKE HUCKABEE MOVING UP?

Beck: YES, IT IS BECAUSE HE'S SPENT VERY LITTLE TIME HERE. HE HAS VERY LITTLE MONEY AND VERY LITTLE STAFF AND YET HE'S A COUPLE POINTS AWAY FROM MITT ROMNEY, WHO HAS BEEN HERE A LOT AND WHO HAS THE BIGGEST STAFF AMONG REPUBLICANS IN THE STATE AND A LOT OF MONEY. SO IT IS THE STORY. AND I THINK NOW -- I MEAN I THOUGHT, THOUGH, HE WOULD BE HERE MORE AFTER THE STRAW POLL. HE HAD SUCH A NICE SHOWING AT THE STRAW POLL, I THOUGHT, OKAY, NOW HE'S GOING TO GET IT THAT HE SHOULD BE IN IOWA MORE OFTEN, AND HE HASN'T BEEN HERE THAT OFTEN. NOW MAYBE THIS IS GOING TO BE THE IMPETUS FOR HIM TO COME MORE, HE SEES THIS POLL AND SAYS, GOOD LORD, I HAVE A REAL SHOT THERE. BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IS THAT AS SAM BROWNBACK GOT OUT OF THE RACE AND CONSERVATIVES WERE STILL REALLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO DID THEY WANT -- GIULIANI WASN'T FITTING FOR THEM; MCCAIN IS NOT FITTING FOR THEM -- THEY START LOOKING AT MIKE HUCKABEE. THEY MAYBE HAD BEEN WAITING ON FRED THOMPSON. HE CAME THROUGH THE STATE A COUPLE TIMES AND THEY SAID, 'WELL, THAT'S NOT GOING TO DO IT FOR ME EITHER.' AND HUCKABEE PICKED UP THE SLACK.

Borg: MIGHT THE MOMENTUM THERE BE SAYING TO SOME, KAY, TO SOME UNDECIDEDS WHO HAD MAYBE SAID, WELL, MIKE HUCKABEE LOOKS GOOD BUT HE CAN NEVER WIN IN IOWA, ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY THINK MAYBE HE CAN?

Henderson: THEY DO THINK MAYBE HE CAN. I THINK WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS IS ROMNEY IS GOING TO START HITTING AT HIM. THE CLUB FOR GROWTH, WHICH IS NOT A BIG FAN OF THE HUCKABEE TENURE AS GOVERNOR OF ARKANSAS, HAS STARTED TO RUN SOME ADVERTISEMENT. SO THE REAL TEST FOR HUCKABEE WILL BE HOW HE HANDLES BEING ATTACKED, BECAUSE BEING IN THE SECOND TIER MEANS YOU DON'T OFTEN GET TO -- YOU DON'T OFTEN HAVE TO DEFEND YOURSELF. SO IF HE'S ABLE TO DEFEND HIMSELF IN THE SAME WAY THAT HE'S COME ACROSS AT THESE DEBATES AS SORT OF THIS HAPPY-GO-LUCKY GUY WHO CAN SPIN THESE, YOU KNOW, INTERESTING ONE LINERS AND JOKES FOR PEOPLE, I THINK HE'LL SELL WELL IN IOWA.

Yepsen: HUCKABEE DOES NEED TO SPEND MORE TIME HERE, BUT HE ALSO NEEDS TO SPEND TIME ELSEWHERE TO RAISE MONEY. IT'S A REAL PROBLEM. HE HAVE LIGHT HIS ROCKET HERE BUT THEN HAVE NO FUEL IN IT FOR SUBSEQUENT CONTESTS. HE HAS MOVED ON ROMNEY. I CAN TELL YOU THAT REPUBLICANS WHO I TALK TO ARE SAYING IT'S POSSIBLE FOR MIKE HUCKABEE TO TAKE MITT ROMNEY, WHICH WOULD BE A HUGE RECONFIGURATION OF THE REPUBLICAN BASE IF THAT HAPPENS. THE THING ABOUT MIKE HUCKABEE THAT I THINK IS INTERESTING IS TO LOOK AT HIM AND HIS MESSAGE. THIS IS AN OPTIMISTIC MAN. HE'S A HUMOROUS MAN. HE DOESN'T HAVE A MEAN SPIRITED EDGE TO HIM ABOUT BEING A CONSERVATIVE, AND HE PLAYS A BASS GUITAR. HE'S A PREACHER. AND REPUBLICANS ARE KIND OF COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. THEY DON'T LIKE TO THINK OF CONSERVATISM AS UGLY AND MEAN SPIRITED. AND SO HERE'S MIKE HUCKABEE, HE'S A NICE GUY, HE'S FRIENDLY, HE FITS RIGHT IN, NO PHONY AIRS ABOUT HIM. HE MAKES IT NICE TO BE A CONSERVATIVE.

Glover: AND I THINK THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING TO HIM, IT'S REFLECTING WHAT I SEE AS OUR CORE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION. WE TALKED ABOUT THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS OF DEMOCRATS. THERE ARE CORE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS I THINK A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES HAVE ABOUT THE MAJOR REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES. RUDY GIULIANI IS PRO CHOICE, PRO GAY RIGHTS, AND ANTIGUN. AND AS MUCH AS HE DOESN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT, IOWA CONSERVATIVES KNOW THAT. MITT ROMNEY WAS PRO CHOICE AND PRO GAY RIGHTS AS GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETTS. HE SAYS HE'S FLIPPED ON THAT. A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES SAY IF HE FLIPPED ON IT ONCE, HE MIGHT FLIP ON IT AGAIN. AND SO THERE ARE THESE CORE -- AND MCCAIN, CONSERVATIVES HAVE ALWAYS HAD THIS QUESTION ABOUT HIM BECAUSE OF CAMPAIGN FINANCE, HIS SORT OF CONTRARY NATURE AND ALL THAT. SO I THINK CONSERVATIVES LOOK AROUND AND THEY SEE THESE CORE PROBLEMS WITH ALL THESE MAJOR CANDIDATES, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN HERE'S A HAPPY-GO-LUCKY, HAPPY MIKE HUCKABEE, AND THEY'RE ATTRACTED TO HIM.

Yepsen: EVEN BEFORE ONE VOTE GETS CAST, MIKE HUCKABEE HAS ALREADY PUT HIMSELF IN THE LEAD TO BE TALKED ABOUT AS REPUBLICAN VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE. IF HE DOES WELL OR WIN HERE, IT WOULD BE LIKE THE FIRST PRESIDENT BUSH WHO COMES OUT OF NOWHERE IN IOWA AND WINDS UP VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

Borg: AND YET, WITH HIS CONSERVATIVE CREDENTIALS, HE DIDN'T GET THE PAT ROBERTSON ENDORSEMENT.

Glover: I DON'T KNOW HOW RELEVANT THE PAT ROBERTSON ENDORSEMENT IS ANYMORE. I DON'T KNOW PRECISELY HOW OLD PAT ROBERTSON IS. HE'S CLEARLY A FIGURE OF YESTERDAY AND NOT TODAY. AND A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES LOOK -- UPON THAT. I DON'T THINK THE PAT ROBERTSON ENDORSEMENT WILL HAVE A LOT OF IMPACT WITH EVANGELICAL CONSERVATIVES IN IOWA.

Yepsen: WELL, WE ALWAYS -- WE CONSTANTLY SAY OUT HERE ENDORSEMENTS DON'T MEAN A LOT, AND THEY REALLY DON'T, BECAUSE NOBODY DELIVERS ANYTHING. BUT SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES ARE DIVIDED. THEY'RE SPLIT. THEY DON'T -- THEY HAVEN'T LANDED ON A SINGLE CANDIDATE YET, AND THAT'S THE STORY I THINK THAT'S DEVELOPING IN IOWA.

Borg: THERE WAS A LINE THAT ONE OF YOU DELIVERED HERE A FEW MINUTES AGO, AND I WROTE IT DOWN. IT WAS 'ASSUMING THE CAUCUSES ARE ON JANUARY 3'; I THOUGHT THAT WAS A DONE DEAL.

Glover: IT'S NOT. BILL GARDNER IN NEW HAMPSHIRE HAS NOT SET THE DATE OF THE NEW HAMPSHIRE PRIMARY YET, AND HE DOESN'T EXPECT TO DO SO IN THE COMING DAYS. SO WHEN BILL GARDNER -- WE ALL THINK JANUARY 8 IS WHERE HE'S LIKELY TO END UP. THAT'S THE MOST LOGICAL DATE, BUT HE HASN'T DECIDED IT YET. IF HE MOVES INTO DECEMBER, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT THAT POSSIBILITY.

Yepsen: I THINK WE WILL DO IT ON JANUARY 3 BECAUSE TO MOVE IT INTO DECEMBER, IT'S TOO LATE TO DO THAT. IT TURNS THE CAUCUSES INTO A JOKE. I THINK IF HE WERE TO DO THAT -- IF GARDNER WERE TO DO THAT, THE NEW HAMPSHIRE PRIMARY WOULD BE MINIMIZED AND IOWA WOULD STILL SAY WE ARE THE START OF THE SERIOUS ELECTION.

Borg: WITH EARLY JANUARY, STUDENTS ARE ON VACATION. WHAT FACTOR ARE THEY GOING TO BE, JENEANE, IF AT ALL? IS THAT REALLY NEGATE.

Beck: THAT'S THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION. I MEAN YOU HAVE SOME UNIVERSITIES SAYING: WELL, WE'VE GOT STUDENTS REQUESTING DORM SPACE; WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE SOME SPACE OPEN. WE'VE GOT THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA SAYING, NO, WE WON'T. IT'S REALLY UNCLEAR WHETHER THEY'LL TURN OUT AND WHETHER -- IF THEY HAVE TO GO HOME FOR THE HOLIDAY BREAK, WHERE DO THEY STAY? ARE THEY REALLY GOING TO DRIVE BACK FROM CHICAGO OR WHATEVER STATE THEY'RE LIVING IN TO CAUCUS ON THAT NIGHT? THEY MIGHT HAVE JOBS BACK HOME OVER THE HOLIDAY BREAK.

Glover: THE ONE THING YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, EVEN IF THE CAUCUSES HADN'T MOVED, THEY WOULD STILL GO ON SUMMER BREAK -- OR CHRISTMAS BREAK. THEY DON'T COME BACK FROM CHRISTMAS BREAK UNTIL THE 21ST OF JANUARY. SO EVEN IF THEY'D STAY HERE, ON THE 14TH STUDENTS WOULD HAVE STILL BEEN HOME. THEY'D HAVE FACED THE SAME PROBLEMS. I THINK BEING CLOSER TO THE HOLIDAYS WILL HAVE SOME EFFECT BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE TROUBLE GETTING STUDENTS TO A CAUCUS TWO DAYS AFTER --

Beck: THEY COME BACK A WEEK EARLY MAYBE. THEY CAN'T COME BACK, YOU KNOW, TWO WEEKS EARLY.

Borg: WHAT I SENSE FROM EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE SAID DURING THE LAST HALF HOUR, THERE'S STILL A LOT TO BE DECIDED AND THERE'S STILL A LOT OF VOLATILITY.

Yepsen: IT WILL KEEP US WELL EMPLOYED.

Borg: THANKS FOR YOUR INSIGHTS. WE'LL BE CHECKING WITH YOU. ON OUR NEXT EDITION OF IOWA PRESS, WE'LL TAKE A BREAK FROM THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN. WE'LL BE TALKING WITH IOWA SENATOR CHARLES GRASSLEY. REPUBLICANS DON'T CONTROL THE SENATE THIS SESSION. AS ONE OF THE SENIOR REPUBLICANS, HE HAS MAJOR ROLES ON THE SENATE'S FINANCE AND JUDICIARY COMMITTEES. YOU'LL SEE OUR CONVERSATION WITH SENATOR CHUCK GRASSLEY AT THE USUAL AIRTIMES: 7:30 NEXT FRIDAY NIGHT AND 11:30 SUNDAY MORNING. I'M DEAN BORG. THANKS FOR JOINING US TODAY.

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