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CAMPAIGN 2002: The Offices of Governor and Lieutenant Governor

posted on October 24, 2002

LIVE FROM THE STUDIOS OF IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION, IT'S "CAMPAIGN 2002." TONIGHT "CAMPAIGN 2002" FEATURES CANDIDATES SEEKING THE OFFICES OF GOVERNOR AND LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR. HERE IS MIKE GLOVER.

Glover: HELLO AGAIN. WE'RE BACK LIVE TO CONTINUE WITH OUR FINAL EVENING OF "CAMPAIGN 2002." EARLIER WE DISCUSSED THE CAMPAIGN FOR THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS WITH CANDIDATES HOPING TO REPRESENT IOWA IN THE U.S. SENATE AND THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. IN TONIGHT'S SECOND HALF HOUR, WE WRAP UP OUR PREELECTION CANDIDATE FORUM WITH A DISCUSSION OF THE POLICY AND POLITICS OF THE GUBERNATORIAL RACE OF 2002. LET'S MEET OUR GUESTS.JAY ROBINSON OF BAXTER IS THE CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR OF IOWA ON THE GREEN PARTY TICKET. HIS RUNNING MATE - HE'S SEEKING TO BECOME IOWA'S --ALSO ON THE TICKET -- ON THE NOVEMBER 5 BALLOT SEEKING TO BECOME GOVERNOR AND LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR OF IOWA ARE CANDIDATES REPRESENTING THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY.CLYDE CLEVELAND HEADS UP THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY TICKET, AND MR. CLEVELAND IS FROM FAIRFIELD. AND RICHARD CAMPAGNA OF IOWA CITY IS HIS RUNNING MATE AS LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR ON THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY TICKET. GENTLEMEN, WELCOME, ALL, HERE TONIGHT TO OUR SHOW. THAT OPENING SHOWS WHY AN OLD RAGAMUFFIN LIKE ME SHOULDN'T BE DOING TELEVISION. MR. ROBINSON, LET'S START WITH YOU. WE LIKE CANDIDATES TO COME OUT HERE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE A MESSAGE, GIVE THE TOP TWO OR THREE THINGS ABOUT WHY THEY OUGHT TO BE ELECTED. GIVE US YOUR CAMPAIGN COMMERCIAL.

Robinson: FIRST, REGRETS BECAUSE HOLLY HART, MY RUNNING MATE, WAS PHYSICALLY UNABLE TO ATTEND TONIGHT. I'M SURE SHE'D LIKE TO BE HERE. ALSO, I REGRET THAT MR. VILSACK AND MR. GROSS ARE NOT HERE TO JOIN US SO WE COULD HAVE A COMPLETE DISCUSSION. A COUPLE ISSUES OF WHY I'M RUNNING ARE FOR COMMUNITY AGRICULTURE, TO BRING FARMS BACK TO THE FORE AS AN ISSUE, AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND QUALITY OF LIFE HERE IN IOWA, AND ALSO PEACE CONCERNS. THE GREEN PARTY IS THE ONLY NATIONAL PARTY FOCUSED ON PEACE IN THIS TIME. AND ALSO TO BUILD A PARTY FOR THE FUTURE. THIS IS WHY I'M RUNNING WITH THE GREEN PARTY SO THAT WE CAN GIVE VOICE TO THOSE CONCERNS INTO THE FUTURE.

Glover: MR. CLEVELAND, YOU PROBABLY HAVE A LOT OF REALLY GOOD REASONS FOR WANTING TO BE ELECTED TO OFFICE, BUT PICK A COUPLE YOU THINK WILL MOVE VOTERS.

Cleveland: WELL, THE STATE OF IOWA IN THE LAST TWENTY YEARS HAS TRIPLED THE SIZE OF ITS BUDGET. WE HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF POPULATION THAT WE HAD TWENTY YEARS AGO. SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS IN THE LAST TWENTY YEARS HAVE TRIPLED THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY'RE APPROPRIATING FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF PEOPLE. NOW, THAT'S WHY WE ARE ECONOMICALLY STAGNENT. HERE'S WHERE THAT HAS GOTTEN US. IT'S GOTTEN US TO FORTY-SEVENTH IN THE NATION IN BUSINESS START-UPS. IT'S GOTTEN YOU US TO FIFTIETH IN THE NATION IN ECONOMIC VITALITY. AND IT'S GOT US TO FIFTY-FIRST IN THE NATION, BELIEVE THAT, IN VENTURE CAPITAL. IN OTHER WORDS, WE WERE PASSED BY PUERTO RICO. NOW, IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT I AM A VENTURE CAPITALIST. I'M A BUSINESSMAN AND AN ENTREPRENEUR. I BROUGHT OVER $20 MILLION WORTH OF SEED-LEVEL VENTURE CAPITAL TO THE STATE OF IOWA. I KNOW HOW TO CREATE THE CONDITIONS NECESSARY TO CREATE ECONOMIC PROSPERITY IN THE STATE OF IOWA. MY OPPONENTS DO NOT KNOW THAT.

Glover: MR. CAMPAGNA, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET US PAST PUERTO RICO?

Campagna: WELL, ESSENTIALLY HITCHING MYSELF TO THE CLEVELAND AND THE LIBERTARIAN WAGON IS, IN MY FIFTY YEARS OF EXISTENCE ON THIS EARTH, THE FIRSTTIME THAT I'VE SEEN A POLITICAL PARTY AND A CAMPAIGN TRULY CONSISTENT PHILOSOPHICALLY AND POLITICALLY WITH THE COMPONENT ELEMENTS OF THE PROGRAM TO BACK IT UP. AND I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS, BUT IT'S THE CONSISTENCY OF THE OVERALL PHILOSOPHY THAT I'M PROUD AND HAPPY TO RUN ON.

Glover: MR. CAMPAGNA, LET'S STICK WITH YOU FOR JUST A SECOND, IF I COULD. I'D LIKE TO GET YOU, BEFORE WE GET INTO ALL THOSE OTHER ISSUES, TELL ME WHAT'S WRONG WITH WHAT THE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ARE OFFERING THAT WE NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER PARTY.

Campagna: ESSENTIALLY, FIRSTLY, THEY ARE ONLY OFFERING ONE THING. SO FOR STARTERS, THERE ARE TWO PARTIES BUT THEY'RE ONLY OFFERING ONE THING, SO THERE'S NOT EVEN A CHOICE, IN MY VIEW, BETWEEN THOSE TWO PARTIES. BUT WHAT THAT THING IS THAT THEY ARE OFFERING IS ESSENTIALLY A NONCHANGE-ORIENTED PHILOSOPHY LITERALLY CONTINUING TO WORK ON A BIG GOVERNMENT APPROACH TO SOLVING ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS. AND OUR APPROACH IS, QUITE FRANKLY, JUST THE OPPOSITE.

Glover: MR. CLEVELAND, I HEAR A LOT OF SOUND AND FURY FROM DOUG GROSS AND FROM GOVERNOR TOM VILSACK. WHAT AM I NOT HEARING THAT YOU WANT ME TO HEAR?

Cleveland: WELL, THE THING IS THAT BOTH THOSE PARTIES, THE REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC PARTY, HAVE BECOME INSTITUTIONS WHICH NO LONGER REFLECT THE IDEALS UPON WHICH THEY WERE BASED, AND THAT HAPPENS WITH ANY INSTITUTION. BUT WITH THESE POLITICAL PARTIES, WHAT'S HAPPENED IS ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS MAINTAINING THEIR POWER. NOW, THEY PAY LIP SERVICE TO THOSE IDEALS, BUT ONCE THEY GET INTO OFFICE, YOU FORGET ABOUT THEM. AND WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY HAVE TO BASICALLY PAY UP ON ALL THOSE CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS. THOSE TWO ARE GOING TO RAISE ALMOST $10 MILLION EACH FOR THIS CAMPAIGN.

Glover: MR. ROBINSON, THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU. WHAT ARE WE NOT HEARING FROM REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS THAT MAKES IT REQUIRE THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER PARTY?

Robinson: I THINK SPECIFICALLY WE NEED A GREEN PARTY BECAUSE WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE NEED FOR GOVERNMENT, BUT A GOVERNMENT THAT IS REFORMED FOR GRASS-ROOTS DEMOCRACY. WE NEED PEOPLE IN POLITICS, NOT MONEY. MONEY IS CONTROLLING THE DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN PARTIES. THERE'S TOO MUCH MONEY THERE.

Glover: MR. Robinson, I'D LIKE STICK WITH YOU FOR JUST A SECOND, IF I COULD. AND I'D LIKE YOU TO DEAL WITH A POLITICAL PROBLEM BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO WIN THIS ELECTION, YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE POLITICS OF IT. THIS STATE DOESN'T HAVE A LONG TRADITION OF DEALING WITH THIRD PARTIES VERY WELL. THIS IS NOT MINNESOTA WHERE WE'VE GOT A REFORMED PARTY GOVERNOR. HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THE REALITY THAT THIS STATE JUST DOESN'T HAVE A TRADITION OF GOING TO THIRD PARTIES?

Robinson: WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WE OPEN UP THE DEBATES. WHEN THE "GAZETTE" AND THE "REGISTER" CHOSE TO PUT DEBATES OUT, THEY DID NOT INCLUDE OTHER PARTY CANDIDATES. THEY CORONATED THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS. IN KEEPING WITH THE FACT THAT THEY'VE GOT MONEY TO SPEND ON THESE CAMPAIGNS, THAT IS A BASIC LEVEL OF UNFAIRNESS. GREENS WOULD SAY WE NEED PUBLICALLY FINANCED ELECTIONS SO THAT THE LEVEL OF FAIRNESS IS ALL ACROSS THE BOARD.

Glover: MR. CLEVELAND?

Cleveland: WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE STATE IN THE LAST TEN YEARS IS THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE REGISTERED AS INDEPENDENTS IS GROWING DRAMATICALLY. RIGHT NOW OVER 62 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE REGISTERING TO VOTE ARE REGISTERING AS INDEPENDENTS. THERE IS A HIGH LEVEL OF DISGUST AND DISCONTENT WITH BOTH PARTIES, AND WE BELIEVE WE'RE TAPPING INTO THAT. AND THE MORE MONEY THEY SPEND ATTACKING EACH OTHER, THE BETTER WE LOOK TO THEM.

Glover: MR. CAMPAGNA, THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU. HOW DO YOU CREATE A TRADITION WHEN THERE HASN'T BEEN ONE IN THE PAST?

Campagna: I WOULD ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES AND SIMPLY ADD THAT, IRONICALLY, THE FACT THAT WE HAD BEEN UNFAIRLY AND ALMOST INCREDIBLY KEPT OUT OF THOSE DEBATES QUITE FRANKLY SHOCKED ME. BUT THE INTERESTING APPROACH HAS BEEN, SINCE THEN THERE SEEMS TO BE A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF PUBLIC OUTCRY, EVEN THE PUBLIC THAT MIGHT NOT OTHERWISE VOTE FOR US, AND I'M BEGINNING TO THINK THAT AS THE PUBLIC WATCHES THIS PROCESS, THEY WILL BE AS OUTRAGED AS WE ARE.

Glover: MR. ROBINSON, LET'S START WITH YOU ONCE AGAIN, IF WE COULD. WE'RE GOING TO GET A LOT MORE MONDANE HERE IN A BIG HURRY. ONE OF THE HOTTEST ISSUES SWEEPING ACROSS RURAL IOWA IS THE DEVELOPMENT OF BIG HOG CONFINEMENT FACILITIES. IT SPLITS RURAL IOWA. IT'S REALLY STARTING A WAR OUT THERE. AS GOVERNOR, WHAT WOULD YOU DO ABOUT THIS ISSUE? WOULD YOU REGULATE IT MORE TIGHTLY? WOULD YOU TAKE AWAY REGULATIONS? WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

Robinson: FROM THE GIT-GO, I'VE BEEN FOR LOCAL CONTROL. I FEEL THAT HOG LOT OPERATIONS SUCH AS THESE ARE FACTORIES AND THEY NEED TO BE TREATED AS SUCH. IN CITIES, IF THERE ARE FACTORIES GOING UP, THERE ARE ZONING LAWS AND OTHER CONDITIONS THAT HELP REGULATE THAT LOCALLY, SO THAT NEEDS TO BE REGULATED LOCALLY. I THINK IN OUR COMMUNITIES, AND SPEAKING AS A RURAL PERSON, WE NEED TO PULL TOGETHER AS PEOPLE TO DISCUSS THE ISSUE AND NOT GET AT EACH OTHER'S THROATS, BECAUSE IT'S THE CORPORATIONS THAT ARE -- THE LARGER OUTFITS THAT ARE BENEFITTING FROM THIS. THEY CAN GO BACK TO NORTH CAROLINA WHERE THEY'VE ALREADY DESTROYED THE ENVIRONMENT.

Glover: MR. CLEVELAND, THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU.

Cleveland: WE WOULD TAKE IT EVEN ONE STEP FURTHER. WE BELIEVE IN INDIVIDUAL CONTROL AND WE WOULD REINSTATE THE CIVIL COURTS IN THIS STATE SO THAT IF SOMEBODY INTERFERED OR BASICALLY INTERFERED WITH OR DAMAGED YOUR RIGHTS TO LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS, WHICH INCLUDES YOUR AIR AND THE WATER THAT YOU BREATH, THEN YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE A NUISANCE TO A CIVIL COURT AND GET RESTORATIVE JUSTICE. NOW, THIS WOULD PUT A STOP TO ANY HOG LOT OPERATOR IN THE STATE OF IOWA WHO WAS INFRINGING UPON THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS. SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THE OPERATORS WHO ARE OPERATING A TOTALLY CLEAN OPERATION WOULD BE ABLE TO STAY. THE OTHER ONES WOULDN'T AFFORD TO BE ABLE TO BECAUSE OF THE LAWSUITS. THIS WOULD NIP IT IN THE BUD.

Glover: MR. CAMPAGNA, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT TWIST TO THE SAME QUESTION. ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT TOO MUCH REGULATION DRIVING THE INDUSTRY FROM THE STATE? WE ARE THE LARGEST HOG PRODUCING STATE IN AMERICA.

Campagna: I AM CERTAINLY WORRIED ABOUT THAT, BOTH BECAUSE OF THE UNDERLYING ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES, AS WELL AS JUST THE UNDERLYING LIBERTARIAN PRINCIPLE WHICH WOULD BE OPPOSED TO SUCH REGULATION. AND I REITERATE WHAT MR. CLEVELAND SAID WITH RESPECT TO THE USE OF THE COMMON LAW AND OUR COMMON LAW TRADITION. THAT'S WHERE WE WILL FIND MANY OF THE APPROACHES TO SOLVE A LOT OF THESE PROBLEMS.

Glover: MR. CLEVELAND, A BR0ADER QUESTION ABOUT TAXES AND THE HEALTH OF THE STATE'S ECONOMY, WHICH IS NOT REALLY GOOD RIGHT NOW. HOW WOULD YOU USE THE STATE'S TAX CODE TO DEAL WITH THE STATE'S WEAK ECONOMY?

Cleveland: ELIMINATE IT. WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WE NEED TO BECOME THE TENTH STATE IN THE COUNTRY WITH NO INCOME TAX. UNTIL WE DO THAT, UNTIL WE START TO TAKE -- AND OUR PLAN IS BASICALLY TO PHASE OUT THE INCOME TAX OVER FIVE YEARS. IF WE START THAT PLAN, JUST STARTING IT WILL INCREASE THE ECONOMIC VITALITY OF THIS STATE. WE ALSO HAVE TO REFORM OUR PROPERTY TAX SYSTEM. OUR PROPERTY TAX SYSTEM IS OUT OF CONTROL. WHAT IT DOES IS IT KEEPS PEOPLE FROM IMPROVING THEIR PROPERTIES, BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID TO PUT A NEW BATHROOM IN BECAUSE THEIR ASSESSMENT WILL GO UP AND THEY'LL HAVE TO PAY A HIGHER PROPERTY TAX.

Glover: AND YOU'D REPLACE IT WITH?

Cleveland: WHAT WE'D DO IS WE'D GO TO A DIFFERENT KIND OF ASSESSMENT. WE'D GO TO ONE PERCENT OF THE LAST PURCHASE PRICE OF THE PROPERTY. WE ELIMINATE THE ASSESSORS AND THE ASSESSMENTS.

Glover: AND THE INCOME TAX IS REPLACE BY?

Cleveland: THE INCOME TAX WOULD BE REPLACED BY A HIGHER AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT WOULD BE CREATED FOR MORE ECONOMIC VITALITY THROUGH THE SALES TAX. WE WOULDN'T TOUCH THE SALES TAX.

Glover: MR. ROBINSON, THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU. THE STATE'S ECONOMY IS, ARGUABLY, NOT IN THE GREATEST HEALTH IN THE WORLD. HOW WOULD YOU USE THE TAX CODE TO DEAL WITH THAT PROBLEM?

Robinson: ACTUALLY, I HAVE A THREE-PART ANSWER BUT I'LL JUST TOUCH UPON TWO. IS. ONE IS FOR THE SHORT TERM, NO MORE TAX CUTS. WE'VE HAD 43 CUTS OVER THE PAST SEVEN YEARS, AND IT HAS NOT SPURRED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. IT'S JUST HANDED BACK MONEY THAT WE'VE TAKEN TIME AND TROUBLE TO COLLECT IN THE FIRST PLACE. IN THE LONGER TERM, THE GOAL WOULD BE TO TAX WHAT WE TAKE RATHER THAN WHAT WE MAKE. SO WE WOULD TAX LAND USE AND AIR USE AND WATER USE, WHICH IS ALSO ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLIER. AND THEN TO NOT TAX WHAT WE MAKE, WE'D PHASE OUT, OVER TIME, INCOME AND CAPITAL TAXERS.

Glover: MR. CAMPAGNA, THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU. THE STATE'S ECONOMY COULD USE SOME HELP. HOW WOULD YOU USE THE TAX CODE TO DO THAT?

Campagna: AGAIN, I REITERATE, NOT JUST BECAUSE HE'S MY RUNNING MATE BUT BECAUSE I HAPPEN TO AGREE WITH HIM. WE HAVE AN INTERESTING TRIPARTITE PLAN ON AN INTERRELATIONSHIP ESSENTIALLY BETWEEN ENERGY POLICY, REFORM OF THE PROPERTY TAX IN A CALIFORNIA-TYPE PROPOSITION 13 APPROACH, AND THE EVENTUAL ELIMINATION OF THE INCOME TAX.

Glover: MR. CAMPAGNA, LET'S STAY WITH YOU, IF WE COULD FOR JUST A SECOND. INCREASINGLY, THERE ARE SUGGESTIONS THAT IN IOWA WE'RE SENDING THE WRONG KIND OF PERSON TO PRISON. WE'RE SENDING A LOT OF DRUNK DRIVERS AND CHECK KITERS AND SO FORTH AND SO ON TO PRISONS WHICH OUGHT TO BE RESERVED FOR TRULY DANGEROUS VIOLENT CRIMINALS. IS IT TIME FOR - FIRST OF ALL, DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? AND SECOND, IS IT TIME FOR A LEAD CHARGE ON SENTENCING REFORM?

Campagna: I DO AGREE WITH THE FACT THAT WE'RE PROBABLY SENDING TOO MANY OF THE WRONG TYPE OF PERSON TO PRISON. I AGREE WITH - I LISTENED, ACTUALLY, TO THE DISCUSSIONS LAST NIGHT WHERE MR. NOYSE, OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL CANDIDATE, SET FORTH A POLICY RELATED TO CERTAIN SENTENCING REFORMS AND AN ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY MENTORING PROGRAM WHICH WOULD ASSIST IN THAT GOAL.

Glover: MR. ROBINSON, I'M GOING TO LET YOU INTERJECT YOURSELF IN BETWEEN THE TWO HALVES OF THIS TICKET AND TAKE THE QUESTION TO YOU. ARE WE SENDING THE WRONG PEOPLE TO PRISON, AND IS IT TIME TO REFORM THE STATE SENTENCING LAWS?

Robinson: YES, I DEFINITELY THINK IT'S TIME TO REFORM THE SENTENCING LAWS SO THAT FOLKS THAT ARE NONVIOLENT OFFENDERS WILL BE GIVEN COMMUNITY SERVICE RATHER THAN INCARCERATION. THERE'S NO REASON WE HAVE TO DOUBLE OUR PRISON POPULATION AS WE HAVE IN THE LAST TEN YEARS. I WOULD GO FURTHER AND SAY THAT MONEY SAVED THERE COULD BE SPENT TO KEEP OUR STUDENTS FROM HAVING TO PAY DOUBLE-DIGIT TUITION INCREASES.

Glover: OKAY. MR. CLEVELAND, THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU.

Cleveland: ABSOLUTELY, WE NEED TO STOP INCARCERATING OUR NONVIOLENT CRIMINALS. NOW, WHEN THE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS SAY THAT THEY WILL DO THAT, I WILL TELL YOU WHY THEY WILL NEVER DO THAT... BECAUSE OF THE POWERFUL UNIONS. THE UNIONS HAVE UNIONIZED ALL THE PRISON WORKERS. THEY WANT MORE PRISONS. THEY WANT MORE PRISONERS. THE CONCESSION - THE COMPANIES THAT PROVIDE THE CONCESSIONS TO OUR PRISONERS, THEY ALSO ARE VERY POWERFUL AND HAVE AN INFLUENCE ON THE TWO POLITICAL PARTIES. THEY WANT MORE PRISONS AND MORE PRISONERS, AND SO DO THE COMPANIES THAT BUILD PRISONS. SO THE TWO PARTIES, NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY, WILL NEVER DO IT. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE FOR SOMEBODY DIFFERENT THAN A DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN IF YOU WANT TO REFORM THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.

Glover: MR. ROBINSON, LET'S GO TO AN ISSUE THAT'S ALSO POWERFUL AND CONSEQUENTIAL AND IMPORTANT IN THE STATE, AND THAT'S THE STATE'S LEGALIZED GAMBLING ISSUE. YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE BALLOT NOVEMBER 5 AS WELL. IS THE STATE TOO RELIANT ON LEGALIZED GAMBLING AND THE PROFITS IT COLLECTS FROM THAT?

Robinson: YES, THE STATE SHOULD PHASE OUT ITS PARTICIPATION IN GAMBLING. I AM SPEAKING AGAINST IT AS A PASTOR, BUT ALSO AS A SPEAKER FOR THE IOWA GREEN PARTY, THAT WE DO NOT SUPPORT LEGALIZED GAMBLING AND THAT WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE THE LOCAL ELECTIONS TO VOTE AGAINST THAT.

Glover: MR. CLEVELAND?

Cleveland: FIRST OF ALL, WE NEED TO ELIMINATE THE LOTTERY. THE STATE SHOULD NOT BE INVOLVED IN GAMBLING. AS FAR AS THE CASINOS THAT ARE ALREADY HERE, THEY'RE HERE. BUT TO ME, WE NEED TO BE ENCOURAGING A VIBRANT ECONOMY THAT'S DIVERSIFIED, SMALL-BUSINESS ORIENTED, ENTREPRENEURIAL ORIENTED. THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DEPEND ON LARGE HOG LOTS OR BIOTECH FOR OUR WHOLE ECONOMIC FUTURE, WHICH IS THE PLAN OF THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS.

Glover: MR. CAMPAGNA?

Campagna: I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO WHAT THE OTHER CANDIDATES SAID.

Glover: I THINK YOU HAVE ADDRESSED THIS IN YOUR ADDITIONAL ANSWER,MR. CLEVELAND, BUT I'D LIKE TO -- THERE'S A LOT OF TALK AROUND ABOUT EXPANDING THE VISION IOWA PROGRAM. THAT'S PROVEN TO BE PRETTY POPULAR AROUND THE STATE. IT'S GOTTEN A LOT OF ECONOMIC THINGS HAPPENING AROUND THE STATE, A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION, A LOT OF HOLES BEING DUG ALL OVER THE STATE. WOULD YOU FAVOR EXPANDING IT?

Cleveland: I WOULD LOOK VERY, VERY CLOSELY BEFORE I WOULD EXPAND IT BECAUSE, I TELL YOU, I HEAR THAT IN THE MEDIA THAT EVERYBODY IS REAL HAPPY WITH IT, BUT WHEN I GO AROUND THE STATE AND I TALK TO PEOPLE, I GET A MUCH DIFFERENT STORY. BASICALLY, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF WASTE. ANYTIME THE GOVERNMENT GETS INVOLVED, THERE'S GOING TO BE WASTE AND BUREAUCRACY. THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING, "WHY SHOULD I BE PAYING TAX MONEY FOR SOME BIG CONVENTION CENTER IN SOME CITY THAT I'M NEVER GOING TO PARTICIPATE WITH?" SO I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK VERY, VERY CLOSELY BEFORE I WOULD CONTINUE THAT PROGRAM.

Glover: MR. ROBINSON, EXPAND VISION IOWA?

Robinson: I WOULD SAY WE NEED A NEW VISION IOWA, ONE WHERE WE'RE NOT JUST BUSY DIGGING HOLES BUT ONE WHERE WE'RE EXPANDING THE POTENTIAL FOR IOWA'S FUTURE THROUGH AGRICULTURE AND THROUGH ENERGY, WHERE WE'RE BUILDING HOOP HOUSES FOR HOGS AND WIND GENERATORS FOR ELECTRICITY.

Glover: MR. ROBINSON, LET'S STAY WITH YOU. FORMER GOVERNOR PETE DUPONT USED TO HAVE A SAYING WHEN HE WAS GOVERNOR: "A GOVERNOR CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS, BUT A GOVERNOR JUST CAN'T DO EVERYTHING." IN OTHER WORDS, A GOVERNOR CAN SUCCEED IF HE PICKS AND NARROWS HIS FOCUS. AS GOVERNOR, PICK THE ONE OR TWO THINGS YOU'D FOCUS ON.

Robinson: I JUST MENTIONED AGRICULTURE AND ENERGY POLICY, AND I BELIEVE I WOULD MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION WHERE WE HAVE LOCALLY-BASED AGRICULTURE AND WIND GENERATION CAPACITY OF UP TO 50 PERCENT OVER THE COURSE OF TWENTY YEARS, PHASED IN 12 PERCENT EVERY FIVE YEARS, A BUIDING PROGRAM FOR ULTIMATELY HARVESTABLY-FREE ENERGY ONCE WE MAKE THE INITIAL CAPITAL INVESTMENT.

Glover: MR. CLEVELAND, THE QUESTION TO YOU - BUT FIRST I HAVE TO ASK YOU, DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT ASSESSMENT.

Cleveland: WITH WHICH ASSESSMENT?

Glover: THAT YOU HAVE TO PICK A COUPLE OF ISSUES, THAT YOU CAN'T FIGHT BATTLES ON EVERY FRONT.

Cleveland: PROBABLY. YEAH, IT'S PROBABLY COMMON SENSE. YOU WILL HAVE TO FOCUS AND GET PEOPLE BEHIND YOU AND GET CREATIVE CONSENSUS. THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO AS A BUSINESSMAN; THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL HAVE TO DO AS LEADER OR GOVERNOR, PARTICULARLY AS AN INDEPENDENT, YOU KNOW, LIBERTARIAN. BASICALLY, THE MAIN THING, AS I MENTIONED, THE TAX REFORM IN BOTH THE INCOME TAX AND THE PROPERTY TAX IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL. WE HAVE TO CREATE THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE SITUATION FOR ECONOMIC VITALITY. BUT ALSO, OUR WIND REFORM PROGRAM WILL BE ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT POSITIVE BENEFITS FROM IT. BUT BASICALLY WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS CREATE WHAT WE CALL COMMUNITY NET METERING WHERE THE COMMUNITY -- PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITIES OF IOWA WILL BE ABLE TO DO BOND OFFERINGS AND CREATE WIND FARMS. AND THAT MONEY FROM THOSE WIND FARMS WILL BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO THOSE COMMUNITIES AND ACTUALLY COULD RESULT IN INDIVIDUAL CHECKS GOING BACK TO EVERY IOWAN IN THIS STATE. WE HAVE ENOUGH WIND ENERGY IN THIS STATE TO PROVIDE ALL OF OUR OWN ENERGY NEEDS FOUR TIMES OVER, SO THAT MEANS WE COULD BE SELLING THAT ENERGY TO OTHER STATES. AND UNDER OUR PLAN, THE PEOPLE OF IOWA WOULD ACTUALLY BENEFIT FROM THAT.

Glover: MR. ROBINSON, LET'S GO TO YOU, IF WE COULD HERE. I TOLD YOU I WAS GOING TO GET MONDANE A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, AND WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH A REAL PRAGMATIC, PRACTICAL PROBLEM: LIGHTNING STRIKES NOVEMBER 5 AND YOU'RE THE NEXT GOVERNOR; YOU'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH A LEGISLATURE THAT'S GOING TO BE RUN BY REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS BECAUSE THERE'S NO OTHER KIND OF ANIMAL THERE. HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THEM? HOW DO YOU, AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, LEAD?

Robinson: WELL, THERE COULD ALSO BE A FEW LOCALLY ELECTED - WE HAVE SOME IN THE STATEHOUSE RACES. THE QUESTION, THOUGH, IS A GOOD ONE. AND IF I WERE ELECTED, FIRST OF ALL, IT WOULD MEAN THERE WAS A MANDATE FROM THE PEOPLE AND THE LEGISLATURE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY, JUST LIKE THEY TOOK MR. VENTURA SERIOUSLY IN MINNESOTA WHEN HE CAME INTO OFFICE. I WOULD BE BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER, UNLIKE THE NEGATIVE CAMPAIGNING WE'RE SEEING AMONGST DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS NOW AND THE CONTINUAL GRIDLOCK WE GET AT THE STATEHOUSE. AS A GREEN CANDIDATE, I COULD HELP BREAK THAT OPEN AND BRING NEW INITIATIVES FOWARD.

Glover: MR. CLEVELAND, THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU.

Cleveland: YOU HAVE TO CREATE CONSENSUS. YOU HAVE TO GO WITH YOUR MOST POPULAR ISSUES FIRST, GET CONSENSUS, START TO SHOW A TRACK RECORD OF SUCCESS, AND THEN THE PEOPLE WILL GET BEHIND YOU. YOU'VE GOT TO GET THE PEOPLE BEHIND YOU, AND YOU'VE GOT TO CREATE A CONSENSUS IN THE LEGISLATURE. WE ALREADY HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH SOME OF THE STATE SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN, AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CONSENSUS ON SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE BRINGING UP.

Glover: SURE. MR. CAMPAGNA, ARE YOU MAKING PROGRESS? ARE YOU BUILDING THIS CONSENSUS? ARE YOU MAKING HEADWAY?

Campagna: I THINK WE ARE, PARTICULARLY AT LEAST IN MY PERSPECTIVE, IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS OF THIS CAMPAIGN. I'VE JUST NOTICED A LOT OF VOTERS WHO ARE CONTACTING US AND EVEN A LOT OF SOME OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES THAT WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DIALOGUE WITH IN THESE FORUMS SEEM TO ESPOUSE A LOT OF CONSISTENTIDEAS WITH ONE OR SOME OF THE ASPECTS OF OUR OVERALL PROGRAM.

Glover: MR. CLEVELAND, EARLY ON IN HIS TENURE, GOVERNOR VILSACK HAD SOME PROPOSALS TO INCREASE IMMIGRATION INTO THE STATE, TO GROW THE STATE'S WORK FORCE, AND TO ADD DIVERSITY TO THE STATE. HE RAN INTO A LOT OF TROUBLE WITH THAT, AND YOU DON'T HEAR MUCH FROM HIM ABOUT THAT LATELY. WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO EXPAND DIVERSITY IN IOWA, TO BRING NEW WORKERS HERE, TO GROW THE WORK FORCE?

Cleveland: WELL, YOU DON'T CREATE GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS TO DO THOSE THINGS. WHAT YOU DO IS YOU CREATE ECONOMIC PROSPERITY -- THE CONDITIONS OF ECONOMIC PROSPERITY FOR EVERYONE TO BENEFIT FROM. UNTIL WE START TO PHASE OUT OF THE STATE AND FEDERAL WELFARE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE -- AND WE ARE JUST ASKING AND INVITING PEOPLE TO COME IN AND PARTICIPATE IN THOSE PROGRAMS -- WE HAVE TO LIMIT IMMIGRATION. ONCE WE ELIMINATE THOSE KINDS OF THINGS AND WE GO BACK TO WHAT WE CALL A BOTTOM-UP MODEL OF GOVERNMENT, WHICH WORKS MUCH MORE EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY FOR SOLVING ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IMMIGRATION. SO AT SOME POINT, THOUGH -- WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AT SOME POINT IS THE FREEDOM PRINCIPLES THAT THIS COUNTRY WAS BASED ON SPREAD TO OTHER COUNTRIES. THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT OF THIS COUNTRY. IF YOU DO THAT, YOU DON'T NEED BORDERS. PEOPLE COULD HAVE FREE REIGN.

Glover: MR. ROBINSON, WHERE DO YOU COME DOWN ON THIS DIVERSITY QUESTION? IT'S A HOTLY FOUGHT ISSUE AND IT'S ONE THAT PEOPLE FEEL QUITE EMOTIONALLY STRONGLY ABOUT.

Robinson: TWO THINGS. ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE IS A BAD IDEA. IT SHUTS OFF DIVERSITY AND ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO STAY AWAY. SECONDLY AND MORE BROADLY, WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE OF ALL WALKS OF LIFE -- COLORS, CREEDS, AND FAITHS -- TO JOIN US HERE IN IOWA AND HELP US TO BUILD A STRONG STATE. ONE WAY TO HELP DO THAT IS TO GRADUATE A $1 INCREASE IN THE MINIMUM WAGE EACH YEAR, UNTIL WE REACH A LIVING WAGE OF $10. WE GOT WAY BEHIND IN THE '70S AND '80S ON THE MINIMUM WAGE. WE NEED TO HAVE A WORKING, LIVING WAGE FOR OUR WORKING FAMILIES.

Glover: MR. CLEVELAND, I'D LIKE TO GET YOU TO THINK CREATIVELY FOR A SECOND. I KNOW YOU ARE ABLE TO THINK CREATIVELY. [ LAUGHTER ] WHAT CAN BE DONE TO HELP RURAL IOWA? DO WE HAVE TO START OVER IN OUR THOUGHT PROCESSES AND ACCEPT THE FACT THAT THIS CORN/SOYBEANS THING IS JUST NOT GOING TO WORK LONG TERM?

Cleveland: YEAH. TO UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT THIS WHOLE ISSUE, I ATTENDED A CONFERENCE IN MINNEAPOLIS LAST YEAR CALLED THE ACRES CONFERENCE. THERE WAS ABOUT 700 FARMERS THERE FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY WHO DECIDED TO BREAK OUT OF THE MOLD OF THE GOVERNMENT'S BIOTECH INDUSTRY MOLD THAT THEY'VE BEEN PUT INTO, BASICALLY MAKES SERFS OUT OF MOST OF OUR FARMERS. THESE PEOPLE WERE HAPPY, PROSPEROUS PEOPLE WHO HAD BROKEN OUT OF THE MOLD, MOST OF THEM USING VERY MUCH SUSTAINABLE TYPE OF AGRICULTURAL TECHNIQUES. THEY WERE THEIR OWN PEOPLE. THEY WERE CREATING NITCH MARKETS, THEY WERE ENTREPRENEURIAL, AND THEY WERE DOING VERY, VERY, VERY WELL, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IN IOWA. WE HAVE TO DIVERSIFY.

Glover: MR. ROBINSON, THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU. DO WE HAVE TO BREAK THE MOLD IN RURAL IOWA AND START OVER AGAIN?

Robinson: I WOULDN'T SAY START OVER. I'D SAY WE TAKE THE BEST OF OUR TRADITIONS AND ADD NEW. THE NEWEST AND FASTEST GROWING AREA OF AGRICULTURE IS ORGANIC AND SMALL-SCALE PRODUCTION. WE COULD HAVE A PROGRAM SUPPORTING THIS AND IN HELPING FOLKS WHO ARE DOING THE LARGER SCALE CORN, BEANS, HOGS, CATTLE TYPE PRODUCTION TO MAKE A TRANSITION. WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE GOING OFF THE LAND IN THE MEANTIME, BUT TO UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE ARE DEMANDING HEALTHIER FOOD AND WE CAN HELP PROVIDE THAT HERE IN IOWA.

Glover: MR. CAMPAGNA, IS IT TIME TO THINK NEW ABOUT RURAL IOWA?

Campagna: WELL, I WOULD AGREE WITH THE STATEMENTS JUST MADE BY BOTH OF THE GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATES, AND THIS JUST UNDERSCORES THE NEED TO HAVE OUR TWO PARTIES REPRESENTED IN THESE DEBATES. IT'S AMAZING THAT THE OTHER PARTIES WHO HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEBATE AND DISCUSS THESE ISSUES WITH US STAND KIND OF IN THE OPPOSITE END OF THE POLE. AND IT'S TIME, ESPECIALLY ON SUCH AN IMPORTANT ISSUE, THAT THE FOUR OF US GET TOGETHER AND TALK.

Glover: MR. CLEVELAND, WE ONLY HAVE A FEW MINUTES LEFT, AND I'D LIKE TO GO OVER SOME ISSUES WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED, YET STRONGLY FELT BY MANY IOWANS. MANY IOWANS MIGHT NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH YOU AND MIGHT WANT TO KNOW WHERE YOU STAND ON THEM. WHAT ABOUT ABORTION? WHERE ARE YOU ON ABORTION RIGHTS?

Cleveland: WELL, I'M PRO-LIFE BUT I DON'T THINK THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE INVOLVED AT ALL. I THINK THAT REALLY THE WHOLE PRO-LIFE MOVEMENT NEEDS TO REALLY REALIZE THAT TRYING TO PASS A LAW TO STOP ABORTIONS IS REALLY A COP-OUT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO STOP ABORTIONS UNLESS WE CHANGE THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF PEOPLE. GOVERNMENT IS NOT EFFECTIVE AT DOING ANYTHING, AND IF WE PASS A LAW TO STOP ABORTION AND PEOPLE STILL WANT TO GET ABORTIONS, THEY WILL GET ABORTIONS. SO MY OPINION IS PRO-LIFE, BUT I WOULDN'T HAVE THE GOVERNMENT INVOLVED AT ALL. I WOULDN'T HAVE IT PAY FOR ABORTIONS, AND I WOULDN'T HAVE THE GOVERNMENT MAKE IT ILLEGAL EITHER.

Glover: MR. ROBINSON, THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU ON ABORTION RIGHTS.

Robinson: I SUPPORT OUR PARTY'S -- THE GREEN PARTY'S PLATFORM, WHICH SUPPORTS THE WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE ABORTION, AND I BELIEVE OUR CURRENT LAWS ARE ADEQUATE.

Glover: MR. CLEVELAND, ANOTHER HOT-BUTTON SOCIAL ISSUE, THE DEATH SENTENCE. IOWA DOES NOT HAVE A DEATH SENTENCE. IT'S ONE OF THE FEW STATES IN THE COUNTRY THAT DOESN'T. WOULD YOU KEEP IOWA IN THAT STATUS?

Cleveland: YES, I WOULD. I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE DEATH SENTENCE.

Glover: MR. ROBINSON, THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU.

Robinson: WE HAVE LIFE IMPRISONMENT WITHOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF PAROLE, AND THERE'S NO WORSE PUNISHMENT, I BELIEVE, THAN THAT. WE DO NOT NEED A DEATH SENTENCE AND, FURTHER, I DON'T BELIEVE IOWANS ARE BLOODTHIRSTY. I THINK WE'RE FOR JUSTICE, AND THE DEATH SENTENCE IS TOTALLY UNNECESSARY IN THAT REGARD.

Glover: MR. CAMPAGNA, I'LL TAKE BOTH ISSUES TO YOU, ABORTION RIGHTS AND THE DEATH SENTENCE.

Campagna: MY POSITION ON THE DEATH SENTENCE IS, AGAIN, CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER TWO CANDIDATES. I'M OPPOSED TO IT AND WOULD THINK THAT LIFE IMPRISONMENTWITH NO RIGHT OF PAROLE IN CERTAIN CASES IS MORE THAN ADEQUATE. WITH RESPECT TO ABORTION, I ALSO SHARE THE POSITION OF MR. CLEVELAND. HOWEVER, I, AS PROBABLY I WILL BE FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE, CONSTANTLY RETHINKING THAT POSITION.

Glover: MR. CLEVELAND, ANOTHER ISSUE THAT GOVERNOR VILSACK WANDERED INTO RELATIVELY EARLY IN HIS TERM WAS THE ISSUE OF GAY RIGHTS. WHERE IS YOUR PARTY ON EXPANDING RIGHTS FOR GAYS AND HOMOSEXUALS?

Cleveland: WELL, WE BELIEVE ALL INDIVIDUALS SHOULD BE TREATED EXACTLY THE SAME, THAT THERE'S NO SPECIAL RIGHTS OR SPECIAL PRIVILEGES FOR ANYONE AND THAT - YOU KNOW, JUST COMPLETELY LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD.

Glover: OKAY. MR. ROBINSON, THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU.

Robinson: I BELIEVE SEXUAL ORIENTATION IS A CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE AND SHOULD BE TREATED ACCORDINGLY, THAT THERE SHOULD BE NO DISCRIMINATION BASED ON ONE'S SEXUAL ORIENTATION.

Glover: MR. CAMPAGNA, GAY RIGHTS?

Campagna: I HAVE THE EXACT SAME POSITION, ONCE AGAIN, AS THE OTHER TWO.

Glover: MR. CLEVELAND, IF YOU'RE NOT SUCCESSFUL THIS TIME, WILL YOU RUN AGAIN?

Cleveland: WE'RE ONLY THINKING ABOUT NOVEMBER 5, AND OUR CAMPAIGN IS CATCHING FIRE. VOLUNTEERS ARE CALLING FROM ALL OVER. DONATIONS ARE COMING IN. THE BUZZ IN THIS STATE IS THAT PEOPLE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF WHAT WE'VE HAD AND THEY WANT A CHANGE AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT US VERY SERIOUSLY.

Glover: MR. ROBINSON, YOURSELF?

Robinson: WHEN THE GREEN PARTY WENT OUT TO EARN PEOPLE'S VOTES -- AND WE CERTAINLY WILL BE HONORED IF PEOPLE VOTE FOR US -- WE CONTINUE TO BUILD THE PARTY, AND I WILL CONTINUE TO BE A PART OF THAT AS LONG AS WE ARE STRONG IN THE STATE.

Glover: AND AS LONG AS WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE TIME LEFT, IT'S TIME TO STOP. THANK YOU ALL. THANKS TO EACH OF YOU FOR YOUR PERSPECTIVES ON THE CAMPAIGN OF 2002. AS INDICATED EARLIER, THIS IS THE FIFTH OF FIVE PRESENTATIONS IN OUR CAMPAIGN FORUM. THIS WEEK WE'VE HEARD FROM CANDIDATES SEEKING TO BE ELECTED TO IOWA'S EXECUTIVE COUNCIL, SECRETARY OF STATE, AUDITOR OF IOWA, SECRETARY OF AGRICULTURE, AND TREASURER OF IOWA, FROM CANDIDATES HOPING TO BECOME ATTORNEY GENERAL, FROM CANDIDATES SEEKING TO REPRESENT IOWA IN THE U.S. CONGRESS, AND FROM CANDIDATES SEEKING THE OFFICE OF GOVERNOR AND LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR OF IOWA. THANKS TO EACH OF THOSE CANDIDATES FOR THEIR TIME IN JOINING US HERE AT IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION.TWO PROGRAM REMINDERS BEFORE WE LEAVE: ON "IOWA PRESS" THIS WEEKEND, DAVID YEPSEN TALKS STATEHOUSE AND CAMPAIGN POLITICS WITH LEADERS FROM THE IOWA STATEHOUSE. JOINING DAVID ARE SENATOR STEWART IVERSON AND SENATOR MIKE GRONSTAL, ALONG WITH REPRESENTATIVE CHRISTOPHER RANTS AND REPRESENTATIVE RICHARD MYERS, THE MAJORITY LEADERS AND MINORITY LEADERS IN THE IOWA GENERAL ASSEMBLY. THAT'S "IOWA PRESS" TOMORROW AT 6.30 P.M., AND A REBROADCAST AT NOON ON SUNDAY.NEXT WEEK, THE WEEK BEFORE THIS YEAR'S ELECTION, DAVID YEPSEN WILL BE HERE MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, LIVE AT 6.30 P.M. WITH FOUR CANDIDATES ON THE 2002 BALLOT. MONDAY EVENING, CONGRESSMAN GREG GANSKE JOINS DAVID YEPSEN. TUESDAY EVENING, GOVERNOR TOM VILSACK IS HERE. ON WEDNESDAY, DOUG GROSS JOINS DAVID YEPSEN. AND ON THURSDAY, THE SERIES CLOSES WITH SENATOR TOM HARKIN. THAT'S NEXT WEEK, THE CANDIDATES WITH DAVID YEPSEN, LIVE AT 6:30 P.M., MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY.AND THAT'S IT FOR OUR "CAMPAIGN 2002" SERIES. I'M MIKE GLOVER OF THE "ASSOCIATED PRESS." THANKS FOR JOINING US.

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