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IOWA PRESS #2715 – Sen. Orrin Hatch
December 12, 1999

Borg: WITH JUST 43 DAYS REMAINING UNTIL THE FIRST-IN-THE-NATION IOWA PRESIDENTIAL PREFERENCE CAUCUSES, THERE'S GROUND TO BE MADE UP BY THE CANDIDATE FIELD PURSUING REPUBLICAN FRONT-RUNNER GOVERNOR GEORGE W. BUSH. SENATOR ORRIN HATCH OF UTAH IS IN THAT FIELD, AND HE JOINS US TO DISCUSS THE CAMPAIGN OF 2000 ON THIS EDITION OF IOWA PRESS.

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THIS IS THE SUNDAY, DECEMBER 12th EDITION OF IOWA PRESS. HERE IS DEAN BORG.

Borg: WELL, BACK ON JULY 1st, WHEN SENATOR ORRIN HATCH ANNOUNCED HIS CANDIDACY FOR THE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATION, HE KNEW IT WAS A LONG-SHOT EFFORT. BUT WHAT HE DIDN'T KNOW AT THE TIME WAS THAT HE'D BE A CAMPAIGN SURVIVOR, AS THE CANDIDATE FIELD HAS BEEN CUT IN HALF, FROM 12 TO 6, WELL BEFORE THE IOWA CAUCUSES. THE DROPOUTS LEFT THE CAMPAIGN BECAUSE OF A LACK OF CAMPAIGN CASH AND/OR INTIMIDATION BY THE HUGE POLLING NUMBERS BY THE G.O.P'S FRONT-RUNNER, TEXAS GOVERNOR GEORGE W. BUSH. BUT SENATOR HATCH HAS FORGED AHEAD, STILL AWARE OF HIS LONG-SHOT STATUS, BUT NOT DETERRED BY IT, UNDERSCORING HIS CONTENTION THAT HE'S QUITE SERIOUS ABOUT BEING THE 43RD PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. SENATOR HATCH IS NOW IN HIS FOURTH SIX-YEAR TERM REPRESENTING UTAH IN THE U.S. SENATE, AND HE CHAIRS THE POWERFUL SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. SENATOR HATCH, YOU'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE AND WE WELCOME YOU BACK TO IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION.

Hatch: I'M DELIGHTED TO BE HERE. THIS IS A GREAT SHOW AND I ENJOYED BEING ON IT THE LAST TIME.

Borg: THANK YOU. OF COURSE, YOU KNOW THE PEOPLE ACROSS THE TABLE... DAVID YEPSEN OF THE DES MOINES REGISTER AND MIKE GLOVER OF THE ASSOCIATED PRESS.

Glover: SENATOR, WE'D LIKE TO GET A LITTLE FLAVOR OF WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE IF YOU WERE TO WIN THIS NOMINATION IN THE WHITE HOUSE. WHAT WOULD YOUR FIRST DAY IN OFFICE BE LIKE?

Hatch: FIRST DAY IN OFFICE, I'D PUT OUT A PRESS RELEASE SAYING THAT I WOULD DO SEVEN THINGS. FIRST DAY -- THEY'RE ALL DOABLE AND I WOULD DO THEM. NUMBER ONE, I WOULD SET THE CODE OF CONDUCT FOR THE WHITE HOUSE. I WOULD NOT ALLOW – EVER -- ANY FUND-RAISING ON WHITE HOUSE PREMISES. SECONDLY, I WOULD REQUIRE THAT IF ANY FBI FILES OF ANY CITIZEN ARE REQUESTED BY THE WHITE HOUSE, THEY WOULD FIRST NOTIFY THAT CITIZEN BEFORE THEY GET AN FBI FILE. THIRDLY, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY REQUIRE THAT THERE BE NO USE OR ABUSE OF ILLEGAL DRUGS BY ANYBODY WHO SERVES THIS COUNTRY IN THE WHITE HOUSE OR ANYWHERE NEAR THE WHITE HOUSE. NUMBER FOUR, FRANKLY, I WOULD HAVE A TIME LIMIT ON THE ASSERTIONS OF EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE... BECAUSE THE TIME LIMIT WOULD BE THIS: I WOULD MAKE SURE THAT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASSESS THAT AND TO COMMENT. NUMBER TWO, THE SECOND POINT I'D DO ON THAT FIRST DAY IS I WOULD ENFORCE THE ANTI -- I WOULD ENFORCE THE EXISTING GUN LAWS. FIRST OF ALL, I'M THE STRONGEST SUPPORTER OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN THE CONGRESS TODAY. IT ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO ME AS CHAIRMAN OF THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. I'VE BEEN TWICE THE RECIPIENT OF MAN OF THE YEAR AWARDS BY THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION. ON THE OTHER HAND, I'M THE TOUGHEST GUY AGAINST CRIME IN THE WHOLE CONGRESS. AND FRANKLY, WHAT I WOULD DO IS I WOULD GET VERY TOUGH ON ENFORCING THE GUN LAWS. FOR INSTANCE, I WOULD IMMEDIATELY ASSIGN, ASK THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TO ASSIGN, 100 SPECIAL PROSECUTORS JUST TO PROSECUTE GUN CRIMES. FOR INSTANCE, THIS ADMINISTRATION IS POPPING-OFF ABOUT THE NEED FOR NEW GUN CONTROL LAWS WHEN WE HAVE 20,000 LAWS ON THE BOOKS. WHILE THEY'RE DOING THAT, THEY'RE NOT PROSECUTING THE CRIMES THAT ARE COMING UP. FOR INSTANCE, GUN PROSECUTIONS HAVE DROPPED FROM OVER 7,500 TO AROUND 3,500 SINCE 1992. SO IT'S HYPOCRITICAL TO BE ASKING FOR MORE GUN CONTROL LAWS WHEN THEY'RE NOT ENFORCING THE LAWS THAT EXIST. NOW, THOSE ARE ONLY TWO OF THE THINGS. I HAVE FIVE MORE BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO --

Yepsen: MAYBE WE'LL GET TO SOME OF THOSE.

Hatch: OKAY.

Yepsen: BEFORE YOU GET TO THE WHITE HOUSE, THOUGH, SENATOR, YOU'VE GOT TO WIN THE NOMINATION.

Hatch: THAT'S TRUE.

Yepsen: YOU ARE IN SINGLE DIGITS. YOU GOT IN LATE. WHY ARE YOU RUNNING?

Hatch: WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK I HAVE MORE TO OFFER THAN ANY OF THE CANDIDATES THAT ARE THERE. YOU KNOW, I THINK EXPERIENCE IS A PRETTY GOOD THING. I HAVE EXPERIENCE THAT MONEY CAN'T BUY. IF MONEY IS THE SOUL DETERMINANT, I WOULD NEVER HAVE COME IN TO BEGIN WITH. AND IF I DIDN'T THINK I COULD DO A BETTER JOB THAN ANY OF THESE OTHER CANDIDATES, INCLUDING AL GORE AND BILL BRADLEY -- I KNOW THEM ALL WELL. THEY'RE ALL NICE MEN. IF I DIDN'T THINK I COULD DO A BETTER JOB, I WOULDN'T BE IN THIS.

Yepsen: BUT WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG? WHY DID YOU WAIT TO GET IN SO LATE, WHERE NOW YOU'RE BEHIND A REAL EIGHT BALL?

Hatch: PART OF IT WAS BECAUSE I DID NOT SEE THESE PEOPLE DISCUSSING THE REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUES. I DID NOT THINK THAT THE REPUBLICANS WHO ARE RUNNING CAN BEAT AL GORE OR BILL BRADLEY. AND I THINK -- AND I "KNOW" I CAN BEAT THEM, AND I THINK MOST PEOPLE IN THE NATIONAL MEDIA KNOW THAT I CAN BEAT THEM. I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS HERE. THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE ME SURFACE. BUT LET ME JUST SAY THIS TO YOU: IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO GET INTO IT BECAUSE I HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE THAN ANYBODY. LIKE I SAY, I HAVE EXPERIENCE THAT MONEY CAN'T BUY. NUMBER TWO, I HAVE A RECORD OF ACCOMPLISHMENT THAT NONE OF THEM CAN MATCH. NOW, I'M NOT JUST BRAGGING ABOUT THAT. PLEASE DON'T TAKE IT THAT WAY. IN THIS LAST SESSION, I PASSED 41 MAJOR PIECES OF LEGISLATION. THAT'S MORE THAN MOST SENATORS HAVE PASSED IN THIRTY YEARS IN THE SENATE. NUMBER THREE, I AM THE ONLY ONE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT -- AND THIS IS AN IMPORTANT POINT -- WHO HAS BEEN ABLE, WITH A 92 PERCENT CONSERVATIVE VOTING RECORD, HAS BEEN ABLE TO BRING BOTH SIDES TOGETHER AND GET THINGS DONE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR COUNTRY. AND I KNOW I'M RESPECTED ON THE DEMOCRAT SIDE AS MUCH AS ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE. NUMBER FOUR, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYBODY TALKING ABOUT THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE IN THIS CAMPAIGN, AND THAT IS, AFTER CLINTON HAS APPOINTED 50 PERCENT OF THE FEDERAL JUDICIARY, WHO IS GOING TO APPOINT THE OTHER 50 PERCENT? THESE OTHER CANDIDATES DON'T EVEN SEEM TO CENTER ON IT, BUT I'LL TELL YOU THIS: I DON'T WANT AL GORE OR BILL BRADLEY DOING THAT. I CAN GUARANTEE YOU A LOT OF 5/4 DECISIONS OF PEOPLE IN IOWA DEPEND UPON IT. DECISIONS THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THEIR LIVES ARE GOING TO GO THE OTHER WAY.

Glover: YOU OFFER A FAIRLY SOLID, CONSERVATIVE, REPUBLICAN MESSAGE ON A CAMPAIGN THEME. HOW ARE YOU DIFFERENT FROM OTHER CONSERVATIVES IN THE REPUBLICAN FIELD? GARY BAUER, ALAN KEYES, STEVE FORBES -- WHY ARE YOU BETTER THAN THEM?

Hatch: WELL, I JUST OUTLINED SOME REASONS WHY, THAT I HAVE MUCH MORE EXPERIENCE THAN THEY DO --

Glover: THEY ARGUE THAT THEY'RE COMING FROM OUTSIDE WASHINGTON AND WHAT'S NEEDED RIGHT NOW IS A WASHINGTON OUTSIDER. YOU'RE A WASHINGTON INSIDER.

Hatch: WELL, LET ME JUST SAY THIS... DON'T YOU THINK FOR THE MOST IMPORTANT AND MOST POWERFUL JOB IN THE WORLD THAT AT LEAST YOU SHOULD BE ELECTED TO SOMETHING. YOU SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST HAD TO WITHSTAND THE PRESSURES OF PUBLIC OFFICE BEFORE YOU STEP INTO IT. AND YOU OUGHT TO AT LEAST KNOW HOW TO WORK WITH CONGRESS BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT. YOU OUGHT TO AT LEAST UNDERSTAND THE COURTS. LET ME GIVE YOU AN ILLUSTRATION: STEVE FORBES IS DOING EXCELLENT IN IOWA. BUT I WAS ASKED BY ONE OF THE MEDIA PEOPLE IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, "WHAT'S WRONG WITH STEVE FORBES?" AND I SAID, "NOTHING, HE'S A WONDERFUL MAN. I THINK THE WORLD OF HIM BUT, LITERALLY, DON'T YOU THINK HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ELECTED TO SOMETHING BEFORE YOU TRY TO STEP INTO THE MOST POWERFUL POSITION IN THE WORLD WHERE YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND COUNTERINTELLIGENCE, COUNTERTERRORISM, ANTICRIME, DOMESTIC POLICY, AND FOREIGN POLICY?" I SAID THIS, AND THEY SAID, "WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING." I SAID, "WELL, TELL ME THIS... DO YOU THINK STEVE FORBES WOULD PICK SOMEONE WHO HAS NEVER SPENT A DAY IN PUBLISHING TO RUN THE FORBES PUBLISHING EMPIRE?" DO YOU? DO YOU REALLY THINK HE'D DO THAT? WELL, SHOULD WE PICK SOMEBODY WHO HAS NEVER SPENT A DAY WORKING WITH THESE THREE CO-EQUAL BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT AND EXPECT HIM TO STEP IN AND DO A DECENT JOB IN THE PRESIDENCY IN THIS COMPLEX LIFE THAT WE'RE IN TODAY? I DON'T THINK YOU CAN. AS MUCH AS I REGARD AND REVERE STEVE FORBES AS A GOOD PERSON AND A SMART MAN AND A VERY GOOD GUY WHO LITERALLY WANTS TO SERVE HIS COUNTRY, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE WITHSTOOD THE WITHERING FIRE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU, WHO ARE DOING YOUR JOB, THE PRESSURES THAT COME FROM WORKING WITH THREE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT, AND THE PRESSURES OF INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM --

Borg: SENATOR, DAVE HAS A FOLLOW UP HERE --

Hatch: AND OTHER MATTERS.

Yepsen: NOW, WE'RE NOT DOING WITHERING FIRE HERE TODAY, ARE WE, SENATOR?

Hatch: I DON'T THINK YOU ARE. ACTUALLY YOU ASK PRETTY TOUGH QUESTIONS, BUT --

Yepsen: I CUT YOU OFF EARLIER. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT YOUR SEVEN POINTS. YOU HAVE A COUPLE MORE. SO GIVE ME THE LAST TWO.

Hatch: LET ME DO SOME MORE. I WOULD IMMEDIATELY REVOKE THOSE EXECUTIVE ORDERS, AT LEAST FIVE OF THEM THAT THIS PRESIDENT HAS ISSUED, THAT LITERALLY FLY IN THE FACE OF THE SEPARATION OF POWERS DOCTRINE OF OUR CONSTITUTION. I WOULD ALSO WITHDRAW FROM THE KYOTO ACCORDS. THE KYOTO ACCORDS BIND THE UNITED STATES TO THE MOST STRINGENT ENVIRONMENTAL RULES. NOW, I'M FOR CLEAN AIR AND CLEAN WATER, BUT THEY BIND US WITHOUT BINDING ALL THE OTHER COUNTRIES. OUR MANUFACTURING FACILITIES WILL LEAVE. SURE, THAT'S WHY THE UNIONS, THE WORKERS, AND ALMOST EVERYBODY ELSE ARE AGAINST THEM. IT WOULD COST THE AVERAGE FAMILY $30,000 IF WE IMPLEMENT THOSE ACCORDS, AND THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS GONE AHEAD AND DONE THAT DESPITE CONGRESS'S DESIRE NOT TO. AND IT WOULD COST THE AVERAGE PERSON, WELL, EVERYBODY HERE IN IOWA, BETWEEN $1,500 AND $3,000 IN ADDED FUEL COSTS A YEAR. THINK OF PEOPLE ON A FIXED INCOME. I WOULD IMMEDIATELY GET RID OF THAT. I WOULD REAFFIRM THE SOVEREIGNTY OF THE UNITED STATES. WE'VE BEEN CONTINUALLY -- THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN ERODING OUR SOVEREIGNTY BY AGREEING TO ALL KINDS OF AGREEMENTS OF WORLD DOMINATION THAT, REALLY, I WOULD REVOKE RIGHT OFF THE BAT. I WOULD IMMEDIATELY COMBAT 21ST-CENTURY TERRORISM. I WOULD START BY HAVING A MULTIAGENCY TASK FORCE TO DEAL WITH THAT ISSUE. I'M THE AUTHOR OF THE 1996 ANTITERRORISM BILL THAT PUT UP A BILLION DOLLARS TO PROTECT US IN THIS COUNTRY, AND THAT'S WHAT'S DOING IT TODAY. IF WE CAN SEE THAT THAT'S THE WAR OF THE FUTURE AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE EVERY AGENCY WORKING TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HANDLE THAT. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO REFORM THE PRESIDENTIAL CLEMENCY PROCEDURES. THIS PRESIDENT, HE GAVE CLEMENCY TO 14 TERRORISTS WHO DIDN'T EVEN ASK FOR IT, IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT THEY WEREN'T SERVING LONGER THAN OTHER PEOPLE WITH COMMENSURATE SENTENCES. AND BY THE WAY, THAT SENT A MESSAGE THROUGHOUT THE WORLD THAT WE'RE SOFT ON TERRORISM AT A TIME WHEN TERRORISM IS ONE OF THE GREATEST THREATS. I WOULD MAKE IT SO YOU DO NOT GIVE CLEMENCY TO TERRORISTS, AND WITH REGARD TO ANYBODY ELSE YOU GIVE CLEMENCY, YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE VIEWS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AND VIEWS OF THE VICTIMS BEFORE YOU MAKE A PRESIDENTIAL CLEMENCY.

Yepsen: BACK TO TOMORROW NIGHT'S DEBATE HERE IN IOWA.

Hatch: SURE.

Yepsen: IN THE LAST DEBATE, YOU SMACKED GEORGE W. BUSH PRETTY HARD BY SAYING, "WELL, YOU'D MAKE A GOOD VICE PRESIDENT." ARE YOU EMERGING AS SORT OF THE SLASHER HERE IN THIS RACE? IS THAT THE ROLE YOU SEE YOURSELF IN THESE DEBATES, AS A GUY WHO IS SIMPLY CUTTING UP THE FRONT-RUNNER?

Hatch: YOU KNOW ME AS WELL AS ANYBODY, AND YOU KNOW THAT I'M NOT A SLASHER, NOR DO I FIND FAULT WITH PEOPLE. I'LL TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES, AND I THINK IT DEFINITELY IS AN ISSUE THAT IS ON EVERYBODY'S MIND. I THINK THAT'S WHY -- I WAS BEING HUMOROUS AND EVERYBODY LAUGHED IN THE AUDIENCE, AND THEY ALL KNEW THAT IT WAS A PUCKISH SENSE OF HUMOR. BUT IT HAD AN ELEMENT OF TRUTH IN IT THAT'S BEEN BOTHERING EVERYBODY, AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN AFRAID TO SAY IT... AND THAT IS, REALLY, DOES GEORGE W. BUSH HAVE ENOUGH EXPERIENCE TO BEAT AL GORE OR BILL BRADLEY? AND MY WORRY IS THAT HE MAY NOT HAVE ENOUGH. NOW, IS HE QUALIFIED? OF COURSE HE IS. HE'D BEEN RUNNING ONE OF THE LARGEST STATES IN THE UNION. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM -- BUT IT IS A CONSTITUTIONALLY WEAK GOVERNORSHIP. HE CAN'T EVEN SUBMIT A BUDGET, SO IT'S ON EVERYBODY'S MIND. ARE WE REPUBLICANS PUTTING $67 MILLION BEHIND A MAN WHO'S GOING TO GO UP AGAINST AL GORE IN DEBATES, AND AL GORE BEATS HIM IN THE END, AND WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH 100 PERCENT OF THE FEDERAL JUDICIARY APPOINTED BY CLINTON AND GORE OR BRADLEY? IF THAT'S SO, I'LL TELL YOU, WE BETTER START THINKING IT THROUGH RIGHT NOW.

Glover: SENATOR?

Hatch: BUT I'LL TELL YOU THIS, IF GEORGE BUSH IS OUR NOMINEE, HE'LL HAVE ORRIN HATCH ON HIS SIDE EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. AND LOOK, IF I CAN'T MAKE IT -- AND I BELIEVE I CAN. I KNOW THE POLLS DON'T INDICATE THAT I CAN AND, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S A LONG-SHOT. BUT I BELIEVE I CAN. NOBODY SHOULD COUNT ORRIN HATCH OUT. IF I MAKE IT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO DEFINITELY CAN BEAT AL GORE. I KNOW I CAN. BUT IF I CAN'T, I'M PROBABLY GOING TO SUPPORT GEORGE BUSH BECAUSE I THINK HE HAS MANY QUALITIES THAT I ADMIRE OVER THE OTHER CANDIDATES, ALL OF WHOM I ADMIRE. I THINK GARY BAUER AND ALAN KEYES ARE WONDERFUL PEOPLE. BUT AGAIN, DON'T YOU THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE BEEN ELECTED TO SOMETHING BEFORE THEY TRY FOR THIS POSITION?

Borg: IF YOU ARE GOING TO MOVE BEYOND A LONG-SHOT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO -- EVERY STEP IS IMPORTANT. ONE OF THOSE IS TOMORROW NIGHT IN THE DEBATE. WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO ACCOMPLISH IN THAT DEBATE?

Hatch: I THINK I HAVE TO BE ONE OF THE LEADING ANSWERERS OF ALL THE QUESTIONS AND I'VE GOT TO PUT MY RIGHT FOOT FORWARD. AND I THINK I'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO DISTINGUISH SOME THINGS AMONG THE OTHER CANDIDATES -- TO DISTINGUISH MYSELF AMONG THE OTHER CANDIDATES. I'M NOT SURE THAT I HAVE TO DO MUCH. PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN IN THE REAL WORLD, I'VE BEEN IN THE REAL FIRE, I'VE BEEN IN THE REAL ISSUES. I'VE BEEN RIGHT UP FRONT IN MOST OF THE WORLD ISSUES, MOST OF THIS COUNTRY'S ISSUES, NOW, FOR 23 YEARS. THAT I HAVE THE EXPERIENCE, LIKE I SAY, THAT MONEY CAN'T BUY. AND I THINK IF I CAN KEEP GETTING THAT ACROSS, I THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SAY, "YOU KNOW, THIS MAN CAN BEAT AL GORE."

Glover: AREN'T THESE DEBATES A LITTLE OVERRATED? I MEAN, WE ALL SPEND A LOT OF TIME WRITING STORIES ABOUT THESE DEBATES AND THE EFFECT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE AND WHAT SO AND SO HAS TO DO, AND THEN THE DEBATE COMES AND NOTHING REALLY CHANGES. IS THIS DEBATE REALLY GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING?

Hatch: BETWEEN YOU AND ME, I'VE SAID THAT ALL THESE DEBATES ARE OVERRATED BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE COME HERE -- HAVE YOU SEEN BUSH'S ENTOURAGE THAT COMES WITH HIM? HAVE YOU SEEN GORE'S ENTOURAGE? IT’S UNBELIEVABLE. YOU'D THINK THEY WERE ALREADY ELECTED. THEY'RE DOING WHATEVER THEIR SPINMEISTERS TELL THEM TO DO, WHATEVER THEIR SEVEN-SECOND SOUND BITE PEOPLE TELL THEM TO DO. THAT'S WHY I SUGGESTED THAT THE WAY TO HANDLE -- ISN'T IT PATHETIC IN THIS COUNTRY THAT WE DON'T HAVE LINCOLN-DOUGLAS DEBATES TODAY? THAT WE DON'T HAVE A WAY OF GOING OUT TO THE PUBLIC AMONG ALL OF US AND LET THE PUBLIC ASK US QUESTIONS? THAT'S WHY I SUGGESTED WE ALL GET ON A BUS, WE GET RID OF OUR SPINMEISTERS, WE GET RID OF THE ENTOURAGE, WE GET RID OF THE PEOPLE WHO PROVIDE THE SEVEN-SECOND SOUND BITES. WE GO OUT THERE AND WE MEET WITH AMERICAN PEOPLE AND WE FACE THEM, AND WE LET THEM SET THE TERMS AND WE LET THEM ASK THE QUESTIONS, JUST SO EVERYBODY HAS A CHANCE TO ANSWER. AND I THINK WE'D HAVE A LOT BETTER METHOD OF PICKING THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES THAN JUST SOMEBODY WHO HAS A LOT OF MONEY, AND CAN PUT ON COUNTLESS ADS ON TELEVISION OR WHO IS GIVING LEARNED, MEMORIZED SOUND BITES THAT SEEM TO MAKE SENSE, BUT MAY OR MAY NOT TELL US WHETHER THAT PERSON COULD BE A GOOD PRESIDENT.

Yepsen: SENATOR, THERE'S ANOTHER CANDIDATE IN THIS RACE. WE HAVEN'T SEEN TOO MUCH OF HIM IN IOWA... SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN.

Hatch: THAT'S RIGHT -- BECAUSE HE'S AFRAID TO COME HERE. HE'LL BE HERE FOR THE DEBATE BUT HE’S BAD-MOUTHED IOWA FARMERS. HE’S BAD-MOUTHED ETHANOL RESEARCH. AND FRANKLY, I DON'T THINK HE'S BEEN VERY FAIR TO IOWA.

Yepsen: WHAT ABOUT HIS PERSONAL CHARACTER? THERE'S A LOT OF TALK RIGHT NOW IN AMERICAN POLITICS THAT HE DOES NOT HAVE PRESIDENTIAL TEMPERAMENT, SHORT FUSE, MAYBE NOT THE KIND OF GUY YOU WANT WITH YOUR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER. YOU WORK WITH THE MAN. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF JOHN MCCAIN'S TEMPERAMENT?

Hatch: I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THAT. I'VE ANSWERED THAT BEFORE AND I'M NOT GOING TO COMMENT ON THAT. BUT LET ME SAY THIS: I FIND GREAT FAULT IN A PERSON WHO IS TRASHING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ON A SINGLE ISSUE LIKE CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM, WHICH ISN'T CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM. IT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL. EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE BARRED FROM THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS ARE THE TWO PARTIES. REAL CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM IS WHAT ORRIN HATCH IS DOING. HE'S GOING TO REGULAR, ORDINARY PEOPLE AND SAYING, "SEND ME $36 OR MORE. IF I GET A MILLION OF YOU, I'LL WIN THIS RACE FOR YOU, AND I CERTAINLY WILL BEAT AL GORE OR BILL BRADLEY." THAT'S CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM. AND PUTTING IT ON THE INTERNET. BUSH AND I HAVE BOTH PUT OUR DONORS ON THE INTERNET. MINE IS MORE USER-FRIENDLY THAN HIS, BUT THE FACT IS, WE AT LEAST HAVE PUT IT ON THE INTERNET AND WE'RE DOING IT WITHIN TWO WEEKS OF RECEIPTS AND EXPENDITURES. THAT'S WHAT OUGHT TO BE DONE –

Glover: THERE’S SOMETHING…

Hatch: CAN I MAKE ONE OTHER POINT ON JOHN MCCAIN? WHAT BOTHERS ME IS THAT ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT HE IS RUNNING ON IS A SINGLE ISSUE. NOW, THERE WAS A REAL IMPORTANT REASON WHY ALMOST ALL REPUBLICANS VOTED AGAINST THE MCCAIN-FINEGOLD BILL, AND ALL DEMOCRATS VOTED FOR IT. JUST THINK ABOUT THAT. THIS IS A BILL THAT TRASHES REPUBLICANS. AND I THINK WHEN REPUBLICANS WAKE UP AND REALIZE THAT, THEY'LL UNDERSTAND THIS SINGLE-ISSUE CAMPAIGN IS NOT A GOOD CAMPAIGN.

Glover: THERE'S SOMETHING OF A WHISPERING CAMPAIGN GOING ON IN REPUBLICAN POLITICS. IT STARTED WHEN GEORGE W. BUSH FAILED THE POP QUIZ ABOUT NAMING FOREIGN LEADERS. THERE'S A SUGGESTION AMONG SOME REPUBLICANS -- THEY AREN'T QUITE READY TO SAY IT PUBLICLY YET, BUT THEY'RE WHISPERING IT -- THAT BUSH IS A LIGHTWEIGHT, THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE THE INTELLECTUAL HEFT TO BE PRESIDENT.

Hatch: THAT'S COMING FROM A LOT OF SOURCES, BUT I DON'T KNOW OF ANY REPUBLICANS THAT ARE SAYING THAT. I DON'T THINK HE'S A LIGHTWEIGHT. I THINK HE'S A VERY BRIGHT GUY. I THINK HE'S ARTICULATE. MY ONLY WORRY IS THAT, CAN HE BEAT AL GORE? CAN HE BEAT BILL BRADLEY? I HOPE HE CAN IF HE'S OUR NOMINEE, BUT I KNOW I CAN, I'LL TELL YOU THAT. I THINK WHEN PEOPLE WAKE UP --

Yepsen: HOW?

Hatch: HOW? I BEAT THEM IN THE SENATE.

Yepsen: GIVE ME A SCENARIO THAT HAS YOU WINNING IT ALL HERE.

Hatch: OKAY, LET'S FIRST UNDERSTAND WHAT THE POLLS MEAN. I THINK THE MOST DEFINITIVE POLL IS THE JOAN SHORENSTEIN POLL BY THE KENNEDY SCHOOL OF GOVERNMENT AT HARVARD, FUNDED BY THE PEW FOUNDATION. THAT POLL SHOWS THAT 64 PERCENT OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVEN'T EVEN CENTERED ON A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE. THE MOST ANYBODY GOT WAS GEORGE BUSH WITH 16 PERCENT. EVERYBODY ELSE, INCLUDING GORE AND BRADLEY AND MYSELF, ARE IN SINGLE DIGITS. NOW, WHAT THAT SAYS IS THAT THIS IS WIDE OPEN. NOW, AS PEOPLE START REALIZING THAT ORRIN HATCH HAS EXPERIENCE THAT MONEY CAN'T BUY, THEN MONEY ISN'T QUITE AS IMPORTANT AS HAVING SOMEBODY WHO CAN BEAT AL GORE. AND I THINK WHEN REPUBLICANS START TO LOOK AT THAT AND KNOW THAT I CAN DO THAT, THAT'S WHEN I'LL START TO RISE. SECONDLY, I DO THINK THAT JOHN MCCAIN AS A SINGLE-ISSUE CANDIDATE ON CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM, AND AGAINST THE SPECIAL INTEREST, MY GOSH, EVERYBODY IS AGAINST THE SPECIAL INTEREST. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, THAT'S NO CAMPAIGN. WHEN PEOPLE START REALIZING THAT HE'S DOING IT BY TRASHING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THAT'S WHY THE NATIONAL MEDIA IS SO ENAMORED, I THINK HE'S GOING TO HIT A CEILING WITH REGARD TO -- AND IN IOWA, WHY WOULD ANYBODY IN IOWA VOTE FOR HIM HE TRASHES IOWA FARMERS?

Glover: THIS WHOLE THING STARTS OFF IN IOWA AND NEW HAMPSHIRE... IOWA'S CAUCUSES... A WEEK LATER, THE NEW HAMPSHIRE PRIMARY. WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE IN IOWA AND NEW HAMPSHIRE TO KEEP YOUR CAMPAIGN VIABLE?

Hatch: WELL, I HAVE TO HAVE THE FOLKS HERE START PAYING ATTENTION TO MY MESSAGE AND START REALIZING THAT I'M HERE IN IOWA AND I'VE BEEN HERE MANY TIMES AND THAT I'VE CARRIED -- I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THESE ISSUES. I'VE ACTUALLY DONE IT. I'VE ACTUALLY -- LIKE I SAY, I CAME TO IOWA HERE A SHORT WHILE AGO AND I MET WITH THE SKILLED NURSING FACILITY PEOPLE, THE ASSISTED LIVING CENTER PEOPLE, THE NURSING HOME PEOPLE WHO WERE GOING BROKE BECAUSE OF THE BAD REIMBURSEMENTS PUT OUT BY THE HEALTH CARE FINANCING ADMINISTRATION. I SAID I WAS GOING TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. WHILE OTHERS ARE RUNNING AROUND THE COUNTRY RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, I WAS WORKING IN THE SENATE AND I GOT IT DONE. I FOUGHT THAT THROUGH AND NOW THE SKILLED NURSING FACILITIES THAT TAKE CARE OF -- COMPLEX MEDICAL PATIENTS ARE GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. THE ASSISTED NURSING FACILITIES ARE GOING TO -- LIVING CENTERS -- ARE GOING TO BE ALL RIGHT. THE NURSING FACILITIES FOR OUR SENIORS ARE GOING TO BE ALL RIGHT. IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT ORRIN HATCH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO HAS DONE IT AND WHO WANTS TO DO MORE. THAT'S WHY I'M RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. I CAN DO MORE AS PRESIDENT, BUT I'VE DONE PLENTY AS A SENATOR IN ALMOST EVERY ISSUE IMPORTANT TO IOWA, INCLUDING FARMING.

Yepsen: LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE ISSUES, SENATOR. WE HAVE WAY TOO MANY QUESTIONS AND NOT ENOUGH TIME—

Hatch: I’M SORRY. I’M TAKING TOO LONG ON THE ANSWERS, TOO.

Yepsen: WE'LL GO THROUGH THEM. TAX POLICY... WHAT WOULD PRESIDENT ORRIN HATCH DO ABOUT TAXES?

Hatch: I WOULD REDUCE TAXES. I WAS ONE OF A HANDFUL WHO REDUCED MARGINAL TAX RATES FROM 70 PERCENT DOWN TO 28 PERCENT. IF I HAD MY WAY, I'D GET RID OF THE IRS, I'D GET RID OF THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE. THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT WOULD BE TO DO IT THROUGH A SYSTEM OF SALES TAXES THAT, LITERALLY, YOU'D NEVER HAVE TO FILL OUT ANOTHER IRS FORM. BUT TO DO THAT, YOU'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT THE POOR ARE NOT GOUGED WITH SALES TAXES. WE DO IT ON FOOD STAMPS, I THINK WE CAN FIGURE OUT THAT WAY. BUT IF WE CAN'T DO IT THAT WAY, I'LL BE FOR ANY SYSTEM THAT SIMPLIFIES THE TAX CODE AND ANYTHING THAT BRINGS DOWN TAXES FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING TAXED NOT MARGINAL RATES, BUT 40 PERCENT, FROM THE 28 PERCENT UNDER REAGAN, TO 40 PERCENT. WARTIME TAX RATES AT A TIME OF RELATIVE PEACE AND PROSPERITY; WE NEED TO BRING THEM DOWN. I CERTAINLY KNOW HOW TO SAVE SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE, OR AT LEAST WILL FIND OUT HOW TO DO IT. IT WILL BE ONE OF THE MAJOR GOALS OF MY ADMINISTRATION. AND UNLIKE JOHN MCCAIN, WITH REGARD TO THE MILITARY, JOHN MCCAIN CAME UP WITH AN AMENDMENT TO REDUCE THE MILITARY ACROSS THE BOARD BY $3.1 BILLION. AT THE SAME TIME, HE'S COMPLAINING THAT 12,000 OF OUR MILITARY PEOPLE ARE ON FOOD STAMPS. NOW, HE'S BEEN ON THE ARMS SERVICES COMMITTEE NOW FOR, WHAT IS IT, 16, 17 YEARS? WHY WOULDN'T HE HAVE TAKEN THAT $3.1 BILLION, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO TAKE IT AWAY AND LOOK LIKE HE WAS SAVING MONEY THAT LOST 81 TO 16. INSTEAD OF DOING THAT, WHY DIDN'T HE TAKE THAT MONEY AND SOLVE THE FOOD STAMP PROBLEM AND THE WAGE PROBLEM FOR OUR MILITARY? TO ME, HE'S BEEN ON THE COMMITTEE, WHERE HAS HE BEEN? IF I'D HAVE BEEN ON THAT COMMITTEE, I GUARANTEE YOU THIS: THERE WOULDN'T BE 12,000 PEOPLE ON FOOD STAMPS.

Glover: INCREASINGLY CENTRAL TO THE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATION FIGHT BETWEEN BRADLEY AND GORE IS A DEBATE OVER HEALTH CARE. WHERE ARE THE REPUBLICANS ON HEALTH CARE? WHAT SHOULD THE NATION BE DOING TO REFORM HEALTH CARE?

Hatch: WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHERE ORRIN HATCH IS. ORRIN HATCH PASSED A BILL IN 1984 THAT CREATED THE GENERIC DRUG INDUSTRY, AND BROUGHT DRUG PRICES DOWN 50 PERCENT IN MANY AREAS AND, ACCORDING TO THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE, HAS SAVED CONSUMER SENIORS SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO -- SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO GIVE UP FOOD TO BUY PHARMACEUTICALS, HAS SAVED AMERICAN CONSUMERS EIGHT TO TEN BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR EVERY YEAR SINCE THEN. ORRIN HATCH PASSED THE HOME HEALTH CARE BILL. HE PASSED THE CHILD HEALTH INSURANCE BILL. I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN ALMOST EVERY MAJOR HEALTH CARE BILL IN THIS COUNTRY'S HISTORY OVER THE LAST 23 YEARS. SO I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT IT, I'VE BEEN DOING IT. AND LET ME TELL YOU, AS PRESIDENT I COULD DO A LOT MORE TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE HEALTH CARE.

Borg: A HOT-BUTTON ISSUE IS ABORTION. WHERE DOES ORRIN HATCH STAND?

Hatch: WELL, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT GARY BAUER AND ALAN KEYES. THEY ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT SOCIAL ISSUES AND MORAL ISSUES. AND THAT'S WONDERFUL. THEY'RE WONDERFUL PEOPLE. THEY'RE DOING A GREAT SERVICE FOR OUR COUNTRY BY BEING PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. ORRIN HATCH WAS THE FIRST ONE TO EVER BRING A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT TO EITHER FLOOR OF EITHER HOUSE OF CONGRESS ON ABORTION, AND THAT WAS AN AMENDMENT TO GIVE THE STATES THE POWER TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT ABORTION SHOULD BE WITH THE MORE RESTRICTIVE STATE LAW APPLICABLE.

Glover: YOU MENTIONED EARLIER YOUR POSITION AS CHAIRMAN OF THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AND ITS ROLE IN OVERSEEING THE FEDERAL JUDICIARY. AS PRESIDENT, WHAT QUALITIES WOULD YOU LOOK FOR IN NOMINATIONS TO THE FEDERAL BENCH?

Hatch: WELL, I WOULD HAVE ONE LITMUS TEST. IT LITERALLY WOULD BE A LITMUS TEST. AND THAT IS, THOSE NOMINEES WOULD HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE ROLE OF JUDGING. AND THE ROLE OF JUDGING IS THEY ARE TO INTERPRET THE LAWS, NOT MAKE THEM. THEY'RE NOT TO ACT LIKE SUPER-LEGISLATORS FROM THE BENCH. THEY'RE TO INTERPRET THE LAWS MADE BY THOSE WHO HAVE TO STAND FOR REELECTION BY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, THE PRESIDENT, THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH.

Yepsen: WHAT ABOUT AN ABORTION LITMUS TEST? WOULD YOU ASK THEM TO REPEAL ROE V. WADE AS A CONDITION OF PUTTING THEM ON THE SUPREME COURT?

Hatch: I HAVE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH EVERY JUDGE THAT HAS BEEN NOMINATED IN THE LAST 23 YEARS, AND EIGHT OF THE NINE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES. THE ONLY LITMUS TEST THAT I WOULD HAVE WOULD BE THAT THEY'D HAVE TO UNDERSTAND ROLE OF JUDGING. I THINK THAT PEOPLE ACROSS THE BOARD WOULD BE PLEASED WITH ORRIN HATCH'S NOMINEES. NATURALLY, I'M PRO-LIFE. I'M PROUD OF IT. I'VE BEEN PRO-LIFE FOR 23 YEARS. I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT. EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT. I'VE STOOD UP FOR THE PRINCIPLES OF THE PRO-LIFE CAUSE. ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU CAN BE RIGHT ON ONE ISSUE AND WRONG ON EVERYTHING ELSE. AND YOU MIGHT BE WRONG ON ONE ISSUE AND RIGHT ON EVERYTHING ELSE. THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT THAT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED WHEN YOU PICK FEDERAL JUDGES.

Yepsen: DEMOCRATS ARE CRITICAL OF YOU AS CHAIRMAN OF THAT COMMITTEE, ACCUSING YOU OF BOTTLENECKING A LOT OF CLINTON APPOINTMENTS HERE IN THE FINAL YEAR OF HIS PRESIDENCY. HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT CHARGE?

Hatch: NOT DEMOCRATS ON THE COMMITTEE. JOE BIDEN STOOD UP, FORMER CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE, STOOD UP AND SAID ORRIN HATCH IS NOT THE PROBLEM. [ SPEAKING AT ONCE ] WHEN JOE BIDEN WAS CHAIRMAN, THEY HAD 63 VACANCIES AND CLINTON SAID IT WAS A FULL FEDERAL JUDICIARY, AND THAT'S TRUE. THE FACT IS WE'VE ALWAYS HAD ABOUT 65 VACANCIES, BECAUSE THAT'S ABOUT WHAT IT TAKES. BY THE TIME THEY RETIRE AND YOU GET THEM REPLACED. BY THE WAY, WITH THE 65 VACANCIES WE HAVE TODAY, 20 OF THEM DON'T EVEN HAVE NOMINEES. SO WE'VE DONE AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB. IN FACT, WE'VE APPROVED OVER 320 CLINTON JUDGES, BETTER THAN 40 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL JUDICIARY. HE WON THE PRESIDENCY. HE HAS A RIGHT TO NOMINATE THESE PEOPLE. AND ORRIN HATCH HAS MOVED THOSE NOMINEES IN AN EXPEDITIOUS AND DECENT MANNER. AND BY THE WAY, I'VE NEVER HEARD ONE COMPLAINT FROM THE MEDIA, DAVID, WHEN JOE BIDEN WAS CHAIRMAN AND GEORGE BUSH WAS PRESIDENT, AND THERE WERE 148 VACANCIES ONE YEAR AND 118 THE NEXT. I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU, THERE'S A DOUBLE STANDARD APPLIED. AND FRANKLY, WE'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB ON THESE, AND EVEN THE PRESIDENT HAS ADMITTED THAT.

Glover: WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION TO WHAT HAPPENED IN SEATTLE AROUND THE WTO TALKS?

Hatch: IT WAS DISGUSTING, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY. WTO IS VERY IMPORTANT. IT'S IMPORTANT TO FARMERS. IT'S THE WAY WE SELL OUR COMMODITIES. IT'S THE WAY WE OPEN UP MARKETS ALL OVER THE WORLD BECAUSE WE PRODUCE MORE THAN WE GAIN. YOU THINK IOWA FARMERS BENEFITTED FROM THAT FIASCO THERE? YOU KNOW WHY IT HAPPENED? BECAUSE PRESIDENT CLINTON SAYS THESE PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE A CHAIR AT THE TABLE. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, HE BROUGHT IN ISSUES THAT LITERALLY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE AT WTO. NOW, IF I AM ELECTED PRESIDENT, THE FIRST THING I'LL DO IS SET UP AN OFFICE WITHIN THE U.S. TRADE REPRESENTATIVES' OFFICE TO HANDLE LABOR AND ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, AND THEN I WILL SET UP A TASK FORCE TO HANDLE THAT. BUT I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T HAVE BROUGHT THEM INTO THIS PARTICULAR MEETING AND THEN TOLD THE PEOPLE "YOU'RE RIGHT, PROTEST," WHICH IS BASICALLY WHAT HE SAID. AND IT TURNED OUT TO BE A FIASCO, AND IT'S HURT EVERY FARMER IN IOWA.

Yepsen: SENATOR, WE'VE GOT ABOUT 20 SECONDS LEFT. WHAT FINAL THOUGHT DO YOU WANT CAUCUS GOERS TO REMEMBER ABOUT YOU AS THEY HEAD OFF TO CAUCUS NIGHT?

Hatch: WELL, I'LL TELL YOU THIS: IF YOU WANT TO BEAT AL GORE AND BILL BRADLEY AND YOU WANT A FEDERAL JUDICIARY THAT WORKS FOR YOU, IF YOU WANT SOMEBODY WHO REALLY HAS A RECORD OF REALLY DOING THINGS AND GETTING IT DONE AND HAS HAD IT OVER 23 YEARS AND WHO IS KNOWN FOR BRINGING BOTH SIDES TOGETHER AND GETTING IT DONE, IF YOU REALLY WANT SOMEBODY WHO WILL RESTORE DIGNITY AND HONOR AND MORALITY AND DECENCY AND INTEGRITY TO THE WHITE HOUSE, AND BEAT AL GORE AND BILL BRADLEY, YOU'RE LOOKING AT HIM RIGHT NOW, AND I'M NOT JUST SAYING THAT. I BEAT THEM IN THE SENATE AND I'LL BEAT THEM IN THIS RACE IF YOU'LL GIVE ME A CHANCE HERE IN IOWA.

Borg: I HAVE TO LET THAT BE THE LAST WORD. THANK YOU, SENATOR HATCH, FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

Hatch: YOU BET. IT'S BEEN GREAT TO BE WITH YOU.

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