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IOWA PRESS #2720 - Steve Forbes
January 16, 2000

Borg: WE'RE IN THE FINAL DAYS OF PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN CAMPAIGNING BEFORE IOWANS INDICATE THEIR PREFERENCES IN THE PARTY CAUCUSES. WE'LL DISCUSS THE CAMPAIGN OF 2000 WITH REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CONTENDER STEVE FORBES ON THIS EDITION OF IOWA PRESS.

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THIS IS THE SUNDAY, JANUARY 16th EDITION OF IOWA PRESS. HERE IS DEAN BORG.

Borg: WELL, THE FINAL PRECAUCUS DEBATE IS BEHIND US, AND IOWA'S FIRST-IN-THE-NATION EVENT IN THE PRESIDENTIAL SELECTION PROCESS IS A WEEK FROM TOMORROW. THE DEMOCRATS WERE CENTER-STAGE WITH THEIR FINAL IOWA DEBATE ON SATURDAY, JANUARY 8. THE REPUBLICANS TOOK THEIR TURN YESTERDAY. THE G.O.P. FIELD ONCE HAD 13 CONTENDERS. IT'S NOW DOWN TO SIX SEEKING THAT REPUBLICAN NOMINATION. AND ONE OF THE SURVIVORS IS PUBLISHER STEVE FORBES, WHO HAS BEEN A MAINSTAY IN THE REPUBLICAN FIELD, NOW, FOR TWO ELECTION CYCLES. PERHAPS THAT'S TESTIMONY TO BOTH HIS DURABILITY AND HIS DETERMINATION WHICH, ALONG WITH HIS CAMPAIGN MESSAGE, IOWA REPUBLICANS WILL BE JUDGING IN THE IOWA CAUCUSES A WEEK FROM TOMORROW. MR. FORBES, WELCOME BACK TO IOWA PRESS.

Forbes: NICE TO BE WITH YOU.

Borg: AND ACROSS THE TABLE, TWO PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING YOU ON THIS CAMPAIGN TRAIL, DAVID YEPSEN OF THE DES MOINES REGISTER AND MIKE GLOVER OF THE ASSOCIATED PRESS.

Glover: MR. FORBES, AS DEAN MENTIONED, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE AND WE'RE NOT VERY FAR FROM THE START OF THIS NOMINATING SEASON. GIVE US YOUR SENSE OF WHERE THIS RACE IS RIGHT NOW. HANDICAP THIS THING FOR US.

Forbes: WELL, I'M VERY EXCITED. I'VE BEEN IN IOWA MORE THAN ANY OTHER CANDIDATE. I SENSE GROWING EXCITEMENT AND MOMENTUM. I DO HAVE THE BOLDEST AND STRONGEST PROPOSALS OF ANY CANDIDATE FOR WORKING PEOPLE. THAT MESSAGE IS BEGINNING TO GET ACROSS. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SURPRISE ON MONDAY NIGHT AND, FOR ME, A VERY EXCITING SURPRISE.

Yepsen: WELL, WHAT'S THE SCENARIO YOU HAVE FOR WINNING THIS THING? YOUR POLL NUMBERS HAVE BEEN FLAT FOR A COUPLE MONTHS, AT SECOND PLACE, RIGHT AROUND 18, 20 PERCENT. WHAT SCENARIO DO YOU HAVE HERE IN THE LAST FEW DAYS TO BREAK OUT AND WIN THIS THING?

Forbes: JUST CONTINUING TO DO WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING; AND THAT IS, GOING AROUND THIS GREAT STATE, GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT. WE DO HAVE EXCITING IDEAS ON TAXES. ON THE LIFE ISSUE, I'VE TAKEN A FIRM STAND, STEP-BY-STEP APPROACH TO GETTING THAT LIFE AMENDMENT. TAX ISSUE, I'M THE ONLY MAJOR CANDIDATE PROPOSING GETTING RID OF THIS IRS CODE AND GIVING WORKING PEOPLE A REAL BREAK. SOCIAL SECURITY, LETTING PEOPLE CONTROL THAT MONEY. HEALTH CARE, HAVING DOCTORS, YOU CHOOSE YOUR OWN DOCTORS. IT TIES TOGETHER; IT'S BOLD. I THINK PEOPLE ARE REALIZING IF YOU WANT REAL CHANGE, I'M THE CANDIDATE TO DO IT. AND I THINK WHEN PEOPLE REALLY MAKE UP THEIR MINDS, AS THEY'RE STARTING TO DO, THAT'S WHY I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A VERY NICE SURPRISE ON MONDAY NIGHT.

Borg: AS REPUBLICANS, THOUGH, DECIDE, THERE ARE SOME IN THE PARTY WHO SEEM TO REGARD YOU AS A SPOILER. THEY REMEMBER FOUR YEARS AGO AND WHAT YOU DID IN CARVING UP BOB DOLE. THEY SAY YOU COST THEM THE ELECTION AND YOU'RE DOING THE SAME THING TO GEORGE W. BUSH THIS TIME. HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT?

Forbes: WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE AS REPUBLICANS KNOW WHERE EACH OF US STANDS AND WHAT OUR RECORDS ARE BEFORE THE NOMINATING CONVENTION. FAR BETTER TO GET THESE ISSUES THRASHED OUT NOW INSTEAD OF AL GORE DISCOVERING THEM AND HITTING YOU IN THE GENERAL ELECTION CAMPAIGN. THIS IS THE TIME TO DO IT. AND THERE ARE VERY REAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN ME AND GEORGE BUSH. HE SAYS LOOK AT HIS RECORD. WHEN YOU LOOK AT HIS RECORD, YOU FIND THAT IT'S FULL OF SMOKE AND MIRRORS. HIS TAX CUTS, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE A PHANTOM. THEY'RE NOT THERE. MOST PEOPLE IN TEXAS NEVER GOT THEM. AND THIS LAST ONE THAT HE BOASTS ABOUT, IN SIX OUT OF TEN SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN TEXAS, TAXES EITHER STAYED LEVEL OR THEY WENT UP. THAT'S A TAX CUT THAT ONLY AL GORE COULD LOVE. IT'S A TAX INCREASE. AND ON EDUCATION, I HAD TWO ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THIS STATE YESTERDAY - DONNA BOWDEN AND BOB OFFUT - WHO ARE ON THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION, SAYS THE GOVERNOR'S RECORD ON EDUCATION IS SMOKE AND MIRRORS. IT'S BEEN NOT A GOOD ONE. TEST SCORES HAVE BEEN DUMBED DOWN. S.A.T. SCORES HAVE NOT DONE WELL. TEXAS HAS GONE FROM 40TH IN THE NATION TO 46TH IN THE NATION IN S.A.T. SCORES. MINORITY SCORES ARE GOING DOWN INSTEAD OF UP, AS HAVE BEEN IN THE REST OF THE COUNTRY. THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO KNOW NOW. AND SO THERE ARE VERY REAL DIFFERENCES.

Glover: MOST OF THE POLLS HAVE SHOWN THAT BUSH IS THE FRONT-RUNNER FOR THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION. YOU'VE HAD A SERIES OF DEBATES. HOW DO YOU DENT HIM. HOW DO YOU MAKE SOME CRACKS IN THAT ARMOR THAT HE'S BUILT UP SO FAR. YOU'VE HAD A NUMBER OF DEBATES, SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO CHALLENGE HIM, AND YET HE REMAINS AT THE TOP OF THE POLLS. HOW DO YOU DENT HIM UP?

Forbes: WELL, AGAIN, HAMMERING HOME WHAT MY PROPOSALS ARE. MINE ARE REAL. THERE'S NOTHING FAKE ABOUT THEM. UNFORTUNATELY, SOME OF HIS ARE MORE FACADE THAN REAL HOUSE; ALL FACADE AND NO HOUSE ON HIS TAX PROPOSALS. AND THAT'S HOW YOU DO IT. YOU PUT YOUR PROPOSALS OUT, MAKE THE CONTRAST WITH THE OTHERS, AND LET THE VOTERS DECIDE. I THINK THE VOTERS ARE RECOGNIZING I'VE GOT THE BEST IDEAS, THE BOLDEST IDEAS, REAL THINGS TO HELP REAL WORKING PEOPLE. I THINK PEOPLE ARE SENSING, TOO, THAT IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A REAL CHANGE, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO BREAK THE POWER BROKERS' GRIP ON WASHINGTON AND GET POSITIVE THINGS DONE OF A FUNDAMENTAL NATURE, I'M THE ONLY CANDIDATE WHO'S GOING TO DO IT.

Glover: IN THIS UNIVERSE THAT YOU'RE CAMPAIGNING IN OF REPUBLICAN ACTIVISTS, IT'S NOT VOTERS GENERALLY, IT'S ABOUT 100,000 REPUBLIC ACTIVISTS, IS THERE REALLY ROOM FOR MOVEMENT WITHIN THAT FIELD? AREN'T THESE PRETTY OPINIONATED PEOPLE WHO LARGELY HAVE THEIR MINDS MADE UP?

Forbes: WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT SURVEYS, INACCURATE THOUGH THEY MAY BE, OF PREVIOUS CAUCUSES, YOU'LL FIND THEY'RE LARGELY, GROSSLY INACCURATE AND ALSO THAT YOU GET HUGE CHANGES IN THE LAST SEVEN TO TEN DAYS, AS PEOPLE REALLY FOCUS ON WHO SHOULD BE RAISING THE BANNER OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. I THINK THAT WE'VE LEARNED IN THE LAST TWO PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THAT PRINCIPLED, LUCID MESSAGE. WE HAD ONE IN THE '80S, AND WE WON. WE HAVE NOT HAD ONE IN THE LAST TWO ELECTIONS, AND WE PAID THE PRICE FOR IT. I'VE GOT THE BEST MESSAGE, THE MOST PRINCIPLED MESSAGE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO GO THE DISTANCE.

Yepsen: MR. FORBES, ON SATURDAY BOB DOLE BOUGHT AN AD IN MY PAPER IN WHICH HE CRITICIZED, NOT BY NAME, BUT IT WAS CLEARLY AIMED AT YOU, HE SAID "DISTORTED, NEGATIVE TELEVISION ADS WERE A MAJOR FACTOR IN HIS LOSS IN 1996, THAT HE LEFT OUR CAMP RESPONDING TO YOUR CHARGES, LEFT OUR POST-PRIMARY CAMPAIGN VIRTUALLY BROKE BECAUSE WE HAD TO RESPOND. I EMERGED THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE, BATTERED, BRUISED, AND BROKE, AND A MUCH EASIER TARGET FOR A NEGATIVE CLINTON/GORE CAMPAIGN." HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT?

Forbes: WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THAT AD IS PART OF A PATTERN OF GEORGE BUSH'S CAMPAIGN, OF USING OTHERS TO DO HIS ATTACKS, OF WHINING AND COMPLAINING AND NOT DEALING WITH REAL ISSUES. THE AD THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS ABOUT MARY WILLIAMS. SHE HEADS AN ANTI-TAX GROUP IN TEXAS. GEORGE BUSH SIGNED, WHEN HE RAN FOR GOVERNOR, A PLEDGE NOT TO RAISE THE STATE SALES TAX AND TO PUT IN A PERSONAL INCOME TAX. HE VIOLATED THAT PLEDGE. HIS OWN PARTY HAD TO REJECT HIS TAX INCREASE PROPOSALS. THEY THREW IT OUT. THEY SAVED HIM FROM HIS OWN FOLLY. BUT HE MADE A PLEDGE AND HE BROKE IT. CASE CLOSED. AND MARY WILLIAMS, IF YOU WANT TO TALK TO HER, SHE'LL EXPLAIN IT TO YOU.

Yepsen: SO ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO GEORGE W. BUSH WHAT YOU DID TO BOB DOLE IN '96? WILL YOU BE RUNNING ATTACK ADS AND NEGATIVE ADS? I NOTICED IN RECENT DAYS, YOU'VE GOTTEN SHARPER. WILL THEY GET SHARPER HERE IN THE LAST FEW DAYS?

Forbes: DAVID, BY YOUR DEFINITION, ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS GUILTY OF RUNNING A NEGATIVE CAMPAIGN AGAINST STEVEN DOUGLAS WHEN HE POINTED OUT SOME MAJOR DIFFERENCES, SUCH AS THE ISSUES OF THE DAY, PRINCIPALLY SLAVERY. PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT YOU STAND -- WHAT YOU BELIEVE, WHAT YOUR RECORD IS BEFORE THE ELECTION RATHER THAN BEING SURPRISED AFTER THE ELECTION. AND AS FOR 1996, FIRST OF ALL, BOB DOLE TOOK TAXPAYERS' MONEY, MATCHING FUNDS TO BE USED IN THE PRIMARY, NOT TO BE SAVED FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION. THAT IS ILLEGAL. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SPEND IT IN THE PRIMARY. MY ADS STOP IN FEBRUARY. THERE'S A NINE-MONTH GAP BETWEEN FEBRUARY AND NOVEMBER. WHERE WAS THE MESSAGE AFTER THAT? HE GOT TENS OF MILLIONS OF TAXPAYERS' DOLLARS FOR THE GENERAL CAMPAIGN. THIS UNDERSCORES WHAT I SAID: NO MESSAGE, NO VICTORY. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT VISION, THE VOTERS AREN'T GOING TO RESPOND.

Yepsen: LINCOLN DIDN'T HAVE ATTACK ADS, THOUGH, DID HE?

Forbes: YOU READ THOSE FACTS OF THE LINCOLN/DOUGLAS DEBATES AT THAT TIME.

Yepsen: THEY'RE DEBATES, SIR, BUT NOT ATTACK ADS.

Forbes: YOU READ THE HAND BILLS OF THE TIME. COME ON, DAVID, READ YOUR HISTORY. THEY MIXED IT UP. AND RIGHTLY SO BECAUSE THEY HAD REAL ISSUES, JUST AS WE HAVE TODAY.

Glover: I'LL GIVE YOU THAT SENATE CAMPAIGN WAS A PRETTY TOUGH ONE, BUT WE NEED TO MOVE ON HERE. ONE OF THE GROUPS THAT YOU'RE APPEALING TO ARE WHAT WE REFER TO AS SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES. YOU TAKE A PRETTY TOUGH ANTIABORTION POSITIONS, PRETTY TOUGH POSITIONS ON SOME SOCIAL ISSUES THAT APPEALS TO THAT GROUP. IS THERE ANY SIGN THAT YOU HAVE SEEN THAT SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES, ABOUT A THIRD OF THE PARTY, ARE COALESCING ANYWHERE?

Forbes: OH, YOU SEE IT IN MY WHOLE CAMPAIGN. NANCY STRECKE, STEVE SCHEFLER, AND OTHERS HAVE COME ON BOARD BECAUSE THEY REALIZE THAT I HAVE THE BROAD-BASED PRINCIPLED MESSAGE COMING FROM LINCOLN'S WORDS, "A NEW BIRTH OF FREEDOM," WHICH INCLUDES THE FREEDOM TO BE BORN. AND I HAVE BROUGHT TOGETHER PEOPLE. I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO WIN. IT'S A GOOD GROUP, ALL DETERMINED TO MAKE REAL CHANGE. AND THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE WHO ARE SUPPORTING ME AND THOSE WHO ARE SUPPORTING THE FRONT-RUNNER, MANY OF THEM; AND THAT IS, PEOPLE ARE COMING ON BOARD WITH ME BECAUSE MY CAMPAIGN STANDS FOR REAL PRINCIPLES, REAL ISSUES TO GET REAL THINGS DONE. IT'S NOT JUST A RIDE, A BANDWAGON.

Glover: BUT DON'T YOU HAVE SERIOUS COMPETITION IN APPEALING TO THOSE VOTERS? I'M THINKING OF GARY BAUER, ALAN KEYES. I MEAN THEY HAVE A MESSAGE THAT APPEALS TO THOSE VOTERS.

Forbes: WELL, AGAIN, I COME FROM THE BUSINESS SECTOR WHERE COMPETITION IS A DAILY FACT OF LIFE. AND YOU MAKE YOUR CASE, AND I THINK WE'VE GOT A COMPELLING CASE, AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO DO VERY WELL AMONG ALL CONSERVATIVES.

Yepsen: WELL, TALK TO THOSE SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES FOR A MINUTE, MR. FORBES. MIKE'S RIGHT, THERE'S COMPETITION OUT THERE. THERE'S SEVERAL OF YOU REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES WHO ARE VYING FOR THEIR SUPPORT. WHY WOULD YOU BE THE BEST CANDIDATE FOR A SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE TO SUPPORT? AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHY SHOULD THEY TRUST YOU? A LOT OF TIMES IN TALKING TO THEM, THEY'RE NOT SURE ABOUT YOU BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T WITH THEM FOUR YEARS AGO AS MUCH AS YOU ARE TODAY. SO SPEAK TO THEM.

Forbes: WELL, I'VE BEEN CONSISTENT OVER THE YEARS. AND WHAT I DID IN '96, WHICH I THINK MORE PEOPLE SEE THE MERIT OF TODAY, IS NOT JUST SAY YOU'RE AGAINST ABORTION, THAT YOU'RE PRO-LIFE, THAT YOU FAVOR THE HUMAN LIFE AMENDMENT, BUT I LAID OUT A COURSE OF ACTION TO MOVE THE ISSUE FORWARD, TO BRING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AROUND. SO WE DON'T JUST TALK ABOUT IT, WE MAKE POSITIVE THINGS HAPPEN. AND MY RECORD HAS BEEN EXCELLENT ON THAT. I DON'T JUST TALK ABOUT IT. I WAS IN THE TRENCHES, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE PARTIAL-BIRTH ABORTION DEBATE. EVEN IN MY HOME STATE, HOME STATE OF NEW JERSEY, OUR OWN REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR OPPOSED BANNING THAT BARBARIC PROCEDURE. I WENT PUBLICLY AGAINST HER IN AN ELECTION YEAR. WE WON. NEW JERSEY'S THE ONLY STATE IN THE NORTHEAST THAT HAS BANNED PARTIAL-BIRTH ABORTIONS. SO I'VE BEEN IN THE TRENCHES NOT JUST TALKING, BUT FIGHTING AND MAKING REAL THINGS HAPPEN.

Glover: LET'S FLIP THE COIN HERE A LITTLE BIT. TALK ABOUT REPUBLICAN MODERATES. WHAT DOES YOUR CAMPAIGN OFFER TO -- LET'S PICK -- A SUBURBAN MOM, SOCCER MOM WITH A COUPLE OF KIDS, WHO DOESN'T CARE VERY MUCH ABOUT ABORTION, WORRIES ABOUT HER KIDS' SCHOOLS, WORRIES ABOUT HER NEIGHBORHOOD, MAYBE WOULD LIKE TO SEE HER TAXES GO DOWN. WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY TO THAT SUBURBAN MODERATE?

Forbes: I THINK I'VE GOT THE MOST BOLD AGENDA FOR SUBURBAN MOMS AND ALL AMERICANS. TAXES, FOR EXAMPLE, I JUST DON'T TRIM AROUND THE EDGES AND PROPOSE PHANTOM TAX CUTS, AS SOME OF MY OPPONENTS DO, PHASED IN OVER FIVE TO EIGHT YEARS. I PROPOSE GETTING RID OF THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM ON TAXES, WHICH IS THE FEDERAL INCOME TAX CODE AND DOING IT NOW AND GIVING WORKING PEOPLE A REAL TAX CUT, SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR WORKING FAMILIES. ON SCHOOLS, PARENTS WORRY ABOUT SCHOOLS. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU AN URGE FOR REAL SCHOOL CHOICE. SO IF YOU'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THE SCHOOL, YOU'RE NOT STUCK THERE. YOU CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. YOU DO HAVE FREEDOM OF CHOICE. ON HEALTH CARE, WHAT DO MOMS WORRY ABOUT? THEY WORRY ABOUT BEING FORCED TO GO TO A DOCTOR AND NOT TRUSTING THAT DOCTOR. MY PROPOSALS GIVE YOU FREEDOM OF CHOICE ON HEALTH CARE SO YOU CAN CHOOSE YOUR OWN DOCTOR, AND IF YOU'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THAT DOCTOR, YOU'RE FREE TO GO TO ANOTHER ONE OR ANOTHER HEALTH CARE PLAN. YOU'RE IN CHARGE OF THOSE HEALTH CARE RESOURCES. SO FOR SUBURBAN MOMS, THIS IS AN IDEAL AGENDA.

Glover: BUT DOESN'T THIS FOCUS ON WHAT WE CALL HOT-BUTTON SOCIAL ISSUES, BASICALLY SCARE WOMEN VOTERS?

Forbes: HEALTH CARE SCARES ALL VOTERS BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU GET SICK AND YOU HAVE AN HMO THAT'S GOING TO TRY TO SKIMP ON YOUR COVERAGE. THAT'S WHAT REALLY SCARES PEOPLE. I PROVIDE REAL INSURANCE. I PROVIDE AFFORDABLE INSURANCE FOR PEOPLE. AND IF YOU'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THE DIAGNOSIS OF A DOCTOR OR AN HMO AND YOU WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER CHOICE, A SECOND OPINION, I GIVE YOU THAT. I REMOVE FEARS. I DON'T INCREASE THEM. I REMOVE THEM, WHETHER IT'S KEEPING MORE OF WHAT YOU EARN, NOT WORRYING ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING TO YOUR KIDS AT SCHOOL, BEING ABLE TO CHOOSE YOUR HEALTH CARE. MINE IS THE CAMPAIGN, MINE IS THE CANDIDACY THAT DOES SOMETHING POSITIVE ABOUT THOSE THINGS.

Yepsen: MR. FORBES, ONE OF THE THINGS WE LIKE TO DO ON THIS SHOW IS GIVE CANDIDATES A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE ATTACKS THAT GET HURLED AT THEM. ONE OF THE CRITICISMS THAT I HEAR OF YOU -- YOU'VE HEARD IT -- IS YOU'RE JUST A RICH GUY OUT TRYING TO BUY THE WHITE HOUSE; THAT YOU'VE NEVER RUN FOR PUBLIC OFFICE; YOU'VE NEVER HELD A PUBLIC OFFICE BEFORE; AND YOU'RE JUST A RICH MAN TRYING TO BUY YOUR WAY INTO THE WHITE HOUSE. HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT?

Forbes: WELL, I'VE HAD MORE EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE RUNNING A REAL BUSINESS THAN ANY OF MY OPPONENTS. I HAVE MORE KNOWLEDGE OF THE WORLD, WORKING KNOWLEDGE OF THE WORLD THAN MY OPPONENTS. I'VE BEEN TO 60 COUNTRIES DOING REAL BUSINESS, NOT JUST POSING FOR CAMPAIGN BROCHURES OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS, BUT GETTING REAL THINGS DONE. SO I'LL MATCH MY KNOWLEDGE OF THE WORLD WITH ANYONE. IF YOU WANT A TRADITIONAL POLITICIAN WHOSE SPENT THEIR LIFE IN POLITICS AND GIVE YOU MORE OF THE SAME, YOU HAVE PLENTY OF OTHER CHOICES. IF YOU WANT AN EXPERIENCED OUTSIDER WHO KNOWS THE REAL WORLD, WHO KNOWS HOW TO GET REAL THINGS DONE, I'M YOUR MAN TO GET THOSE REAL THINGS DONE. AND I'LL PROVE IT. LOOK AT THESE CITIZENS' ORGANIZATIONS THAT I'VE HEADED UP: POWER AMERICA OR AMERICANS FOR HOPE, GROWTH, AND OPPORTUNITY. I WAS HERE IN IOWA TWO YEARS AGO WHEN YOU HAD THE BATTLE ON THE 10-PERCENT CUT IN THE STATE INCOME TAX, IN THE TRENCHES THERE HELPING MAKE THAT HAPPEN. I'LL MATCH MY RECORD IN MOVING ISSUES LIKE THAT ON THE STATE LEVEL, ON A NATIONAL LEVEL. I'LL MATCH THAT RECORD OF ACCOMPLISHMENT WITH THOSE WHO'VE HELD PUBLIC OFFICE. I'VE DONE MORE ON THE OUTSIDE THAN MANY OF THEM HAVE DONE ON THE INSIDE.

Yepsen: A POLITICAL QUESTION FOR YOU: WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO GET OUT OF THE IOWA CAUCUSES? YOU'RE PROMISING US A SURPRISE, SO WE'LL ALL WATCH. BUT WHAT IS THAT? GIVE ME A PERCENTAGE FOR HOW WELL YOU HAVE TO DO IN THESE CAUCUSES.

Forbes: I'M NOT GOING TO PLAY A NUMBERS GAME, AS THEY SAY.

Yepsen: WELL, WE ALWAYS WANT PEOPLE TO DO THAT.

Forbes: I'M GOING TO MAKE YOU WAIT IN ANTICIPATION. YOU'LL KNOW IT WHEN YOU SEE IT.

Borg: I'D LIKE TO TAKE US INTO SOME OF THE ISSUES. MIKE ASKED YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THE SUBURBAN MOM. MANY OF THOSE SUBURBAN MOMS DEPEND UPON THE FARM ECONOMY. THEY MAY NOT BE ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN FARMING, BUT IOWA'S ECONOMY LARGELY IS DRIVEN BY THE FARM ECONOMY. IT'S IN THE DOLDRUMS, NATIONALLY, AND OF COURSE, HERE IN IOWA, IT'S EXACERBATED. WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE?

Forbes: THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE, DEAN. THE FIRST IS TO RECOGNIZE THAT MOST OF THIS CRISIS HAS BEEN MANUFACTURED IN WASHINGTON, D.C. SO THE MOST IMMEDIATE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO IS, ONE, STOP HURTING OUR EXISTING FOREIGN CUSTOMERS BY GIVING THEM TOXIC ADVICE ON DEVALUATIONS AND RAISING TAXES. WE'VE LOST $30 BILLION IN FARM EXPORTS TO THE PACIFIC RIM BECAUSE OF THE DISASTROUS POLICIES OF THIS ADMINISTRATION. WE HAVE TO DO MORE THAN TALK IN OPENING UP FOREIGN MARKETS, PARTICULARLY IN EUROPE. WE ARE THE MOST EFFICIENT GROWERS AND PRODUCERS IN THE WORLD. WE HAVE TO ENFORCE ANTITRUST LAWS ON VERTICAL INTEGRATION, WHICH IS HURTING THE FAMILY FARMER. THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS ON A KICK THAT IT WAS IN THE MID 1980S, WHEN THEY STARTED SQUEEZING AND RAISING INTEREST RATES THAT ARTIFICIALLY DEPRESSED COMMODITY PRICES. WE NEED REAL RELIEF THERE, ON REGULATION. WE NEED REAL SCIENCE, NOT JUNK SCIENCE. AND THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE, MORE ON R AND D. AND MIKE, BY THE WAY, MY FLAT TAX PROPOSAL PROVIDES REAL RELIEF FOR FAMILY FARMERS BECAUSE IT DOES AWAY ENTIRELY WITH THE DEATH TAX AND THE CAPITAL GAINS TAX.

Borg: ISN'T THAT MORE THAN A PRESIDENT CAN HANDLE RIGHT THERE, THOUGH, ALL THOSE ISSUES?

Forbes: OH, NO.

Borg: ARE THEY ALL WITHIN THE PRESIDENT'S CONTROL?

Forbes: YOU BET. ON GIVING BAD ADVICE TO FOREIGN COUNTRIES THROUGH THE INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND AND OUR TREASURY DEPARTMENT, WE CAN CHANGE THAT FROM DAY ONE. IN TERMS OF MOVING THE TRADE BARRIERS, I'VE ALREADY PROPOSED, WHEN I VISITED BRITAIN -- THE NATIONAL LIBRARY INVITED ME TO GIVE A SPEECH THERE. I PROPOSED THAT WE PUT TOGETHER, START MOVING ON A NORTH ATLANTIC FREE TRADE AGREEMENT WITH IRELAND AND BRITAIN AS A MEANS OF GETTING A BRIDGE TO THE EUROPEAN UNION. THE FEDERAL RESERVE, I CAN JAWBONE, AND I DO GET TO APPOINT, AS PRESIDENT, THE GOVERNORS THERE, AND I WILL DO SO, WHO HAVE A SENSIBLE MONETARY POLICY. REGULATION, POLICIES PERSONNEL, I'LL APPOINT THOSE PEOPLE.

Glover: ONE OF THE PEOPLE COMPETING WITH YOU FOR THE GROUP OF SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES IS GARY BAUER. HE HAS CLEAVED SOME DIFFERENCES WITH YOU ON THE COUNTRY'S POLICY TOWARDS CHINA. HE SAYS WE'RE BEING SUCKERED BY CHINA. WHAT SAY YOU?

Forbes: WHAT I SAY IS WE DON'T HAVE A FOREIGN POLICY TOWARDS CHINA RIGHT NOW. AND I THINK WE NEED TO LET THE CHINESE KNOW, MIKE, ON NO UNMISTAKABLE TERMS, WHAT THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT ARE. FOR EXAMPLE, THEY'VE GOT TO KNOW THEY'RE NOT GOING TO RUN US OUT OF ASIA. WE WILL DEFEND TAIWAN. WE WILL CRITICIZE THEM FOR HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES IN EVERY INTERNATIONAL FORUM. WE WANT TRADE, BUT IT'S GOT TO BE TWO-WAY. IF YOU LAY DOWN THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT AND MAKE IT CLEAR, IF YOU FOLLOW THESE RULES WE CAN HAVE A PROSPEROUS RELATIONSHIP. IF YOU VIOLATE THESE RULES, THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE TROUBLE. THEN, THAT WAY, I THINK WE CAN HAVE A CHANCE FOR A MORE SENSIBLE POLICY.

Glover: SHOULD THEY BE IN THE W.T.O.?

Forbes: THE W.T.O. --

Glover: SHOULD THEY BE IN IT?

Forbes: OH, CHINA? NOT UNDER THE TERMS THIS ADMINISTRATION'S NEGOTIATED. THEY OUGHT TO GO TO NEGOTIATING 101. I'M GOING TO NEGOTIATE A BETTER DEAL. WHAT I PROPOSE TO DO IS DO MORE IN REDUCING TRADE BARRIERS, BRING IN TAIWAN TO THE W.T.O., WHERE WE HAVE MORE EXPORTS THAN WE DO TO CHINA. THEY ARE WILLING TO REDUCE TRADE BARRIERS. BRING IN CHINA, AND SAY THIS IS A GOOD BENCHMARK IN TERMS OF HUMAN RIGHTS AND TRADE. SO WE'LL GET A BETTER DEAL TO REDUCE TRADE BARRIERS.

Yepsen: FREEDOM TO FARM, WHAT SHOULD BE DONE WITH THAT ACT?

Forbes: WELL, I THINK THAT FARMERS REALLY SHOULD HAVE THE FREEDOM TO GROW WHAT THEY WANT, WHEN THEY WANT, AS MUCH AS THEY WANT. BUT AS WE TOUCHED ON EARLIER, THE KEY IS MAKING SURE THEIR MARKET IS THERE FOR WHAT THEY PRODUCE. AND THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN A DISASTER IN THAT AREA.

Glover: SHOULD THERE BE A SAFETY NET UNDER FARMERS?

Forbes: WELL, I THINK WHEN WASHINGTON CREATES THE PROBLEM, IT HAS AN OBLIGATION TO HELP OUT THE PEOPLE THEY HURT. YES.

Yepsen: WHAT ABOUT SUPPLY MANAGEMENT? SHOULD THERE BE SOME COMPONENT OF A FORBES AG ADMINISTRATION THAT SAYS WE'VE GOT TO REDUCE THE SUPPLY OF CROPS GOING ON TO THE MARKET, OR WOULD YOU JUST HANDLE IT THROUGH IN ADDED EXPORTS?

Forbes: WELL, THAT'S THE AL GORE TRADITIONAL WASHINGTON-KNOWS-BEST APPROACH, TELL YOU HOW MUCH TO GROW, WHEN YOU CAN GROW IT. I'D RATHER OPEN UP MARKETS. I'D RATHER DO MORE R AND D TO FIND MORE USES FOR AG PRODUCTS. AS I POINTED OUT IN THE DEBATE YESTERDAY, IF YOU CAN GET A WHOLE NEW INDUSTRY FROM SAND, SILICONE, HIGH TECHNOLOGY, I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF USES FOR AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS THAT WE CAN FIND.

Yepsen: IT ISN'T JUST FARMERS THAT ARE HURTING, MR. FORBES, AS YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL OF RURAL AMERICA. SO WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO HELP BOLSTER THE ENTIRE RURAL ECONOMY, OR IS IT JUST A MATTER OF HELPING FIX FARM PROGRAMS?

Forbes: WELL, FARMING IS A MAJOR AND ESSENTIAL PART OF IT, AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT TO MOVE AHEAD ON HIGH TECHNOLOGY AND REMOVING THE BARRIERS THERE, SUCH AS THE CAPITAL GAINS TAX. THEY'RE TRYING TO TAX THE INTERNET. THIS IS GOING TO LEAD, IF WE DO IT RIGHT, TO A RENAISSANCE OF RURAL AMERICA BECAUSE THE PROMISE OF HIGH TECH, WHEN WE REALLY GET INTO IT, IT OBLITERATES THE BOUNDS OF GEOGRAPHY. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU ARE. YOU CAN BRING, LITERALLY, THE WORLD TO YOUR FINGERTIPS. AND SO YOU CAN BE IN RURAL AMERICA AND DO EVERYTHING YOU NEED AROUND THE WORLD. I SEE IT AS A RENAISSANCE, SO I WANT TO REMOVE THE BARRIERS. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE GOOD FOR RURAL AMERICA.

Glover: ALSO IN THAT DEBATE YESTERDAY YOUR TAX PLAN CAME UNDER SOME CRITICISM, AGAIN BY GARY BAUER. HE SAID HE ALSO ADVOCATES A FLAT TAX. HE SAYS YOUR FLAT TAX AMOUNTS TO A GIVEAWAY TO BIG CORPORATIONS BY GIVING THEM NEW TAX BREAKS. HOW DO YOU RESPOND?

Forbes: WELL, FIRST OF ALL, MY DEDUCTIONS ARE MOST GENEROUS OF ANY PLAN OUT THERE, $36,000 FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR. I'M NOT SURE THERE ARE MANY MIDDLE-INCOME FAMILIES AROUND AMERICA THAT HAVE $36,000, $40,000 OF DEDUCTIONS. THE RATE IS VERY, VERY LOW. AND ON THE BUSINESS SIDE, I WANT FARMERS AND SMALL BUSINESSPEOPLE AND BUSINESSPEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO RECOVER THEIR INVESTMENTS. WHAT HE IS, IN EFFECT, TELLING A FARMER, IS THAT WHEN THE FARMER BUYS A TRACTOR OR ANOTHER PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, THAT FARMER IS NOT GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO RECOVER THE COST OF THAT EQUIPMENT. IN THE REAL WORLD, THAT RUINS PEOPLE. THAT DESTROYS FARMS, IT DESTROYS BUSINESSES. I'M A BUSINESSMAN. I CAN TELL THEM TENS OF MILLIONS OF JOBS WOULD GO AWAY IF YOU TELL BUSINESSPEOPLE THEY CAN'T RECOVER THEIR INVESTMENT. WHAT DOES HE THINK CAPITALISM IS?

Glover: BUT ONE OF THE FEATURES OF YOUR TAX PLAN IS YOU ELIMINATE THE MORTGAGE DEDUCTION, YOU ELIMINATE THE DEDUCTION FOR CHARITABLE GIVING. NOW, REGARDLESS OF THE MERITS, DOESN'T THAT SCARE PEOPLE?

Forbes: NOT WHEN YOU SEE MY WHOLE PLAN. FIRST OF ALL, WITH THE SIMPLICITY AND THOSE GENEROUS DEDUCTIONS, MOST AMERICANS, IN FACT, ALL AMERICANS ARE DESIGNED TO GET A TAX CUT, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. WE GIVE YOU A CHOICE WHEN WE HAVE THIS NEW TAX CODE. YOU CAN FILE UNDER THIS NEW TAX CODE OR, IF YOU WISH, YOU CAN STAY WITH THE OLD TAX CODE, FILE UNDER THE OLD. SEE FOR YOURSELF WHICH ONE IS BETTER. AND WHEN PEOPLE HEAR THAT, THEY SAY, "HEY, WHY NOT TRY IT, AS LONG AS I HAVE A FALL-BACK."

Yepsen: I WANT TO GO BACK TO EDUCATION, FOR A SECOND, MR. FORBES. YOU WERE CRITICAL OF GOVERNOR BUSH'S RECORD IN TEXAS. BUT WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS IN LOCAL SCHOOLS IN AMERICA?

Forbes: I THINK YOU HIT THE ANSWER: GO BACK TO PARENTS, NOT FAR-AWAY POLITICS OR BUREAUCRACIES. GIVE PARENTS TRUE CHOICE ON BEING ABLE TO CHOOSE A SCHOOL THAT THEY THINK BEST FITS THE NEEDS OF THEIR CHILDREN. AND I'LL TAKE THE MONEY FROM THE EDUCATION DEPARTMENT, TITLE ONE AND OTHER MONIES, BLOCK GRANT IT BACK TO STATES AND MUNICIPALITIES WITH THE PROVISION THAT YOU PROVIDE TRUE CHOICE TO PARENTS ON PICKING SCHOOLS THEY THINK WORK BEST FOR THEIR CHILDREN. AND I KNOW WITH THAT KIND OF FREEDOM -- I'VE SEEN IT IN MILWAUKEE, I'VE SEEN IT IN TOUGH CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY -- WHERE THE SCHOOLS WERE FAILING, WHERE PARENTS HAVE FREEDOM OF CHOICE, KIDS GET A REAL EDUCATION.

Yepsen: EDUCATORS SAY YOU START GOING TO VOUCHERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU'LL HURT THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS. HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT?

Forbes: I THINK, ACTUALLY, DAVID, IT'S GOING TO LEAD TO A RENAISSANCE OF PUBLIC EDUCATION, BECAUSE SCHOOLS WILL THEN REALLY GET THEIR ACTS TOGETHER, NOT TALK ABOUT IT, BUT DO IT AND RAISE STANDARDS. AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN MILWAUKEE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN THAT EXPERIMENT WAS ALLOWED TO CONTINUE A YEAR AGO BY THE SUPREME COURT. THE SCHOOL SYSTEM SUDDENLY MADE GUARANTEES TO PARENTS, THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM, THAT IF YOUR CHILD IS NOT READING AT GRADE LEVEL BY A CERTAIN TIME, THE SCHOOL AT ITS OWN EXPENSE WILL PROVIDE THE TEACHING NECESSARY TO BRING YOU UP TO SPEED. SO IT RAISES STANDARDS. FREEDOM WORKS.

Glover: DO YOU THINK THIS NATION HAS A BUDGET SURPLUS?

Forbes: IN TERMS OF A CASH SURPLUS, ALMOST BUT NOT YET. IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL NATIONAL DEBT NUMBERS, THEY'VE BEEN GOING UP EVEN THOUGH THEY WANT YOU TO BELIEVE THERE'S A SURPLUS. AND THIS IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND AS A BUSINESSMAN, THE WAY WASHINGTON KEEPS ITS BOOKS WOULD LAND YOU IN JAIL IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. THEY ARE PLAYING GAMES. FOR EXAMPLE, I HEARD THE CHIEF OF STAFF OF THE CLINTON WHITE HOUSE PROCLAIM THAT THEY MAY HAVE A PROPOSAL TO ELIMINATE THE NATIONAL DEBT. ALL THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT THEY CALL THE PUBLICLY-HELD VERSION OF THE DEBT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE REAL OBLIGATIONS OF GOVERNMENT, SOCIAL SECURITY AND OTHER PROGRAMS, THE DEBT IS GOING TO GO UP. IT'S TYPICAL CLINTON/GORE SMOKE AND MIRRORS. AND WHAT I DON'T WANT FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS TO HAVE OUR VERSION OF SMOKE AND MIRRORS. WE NEED REAL CHANGE, NOT JUST COSMETICS.

Yepsen: HOW WOULD YOU PAY OFF THE NATIONAL DEBT?

Forbes: I'VE GOT A PLAN TO DO THAT. IT'S CALLED THE NEW ECONOMY PLAN. WHEN YOU PUT TOGETHER ALL THE THINGS THAT I PROPOSE FOR WORKING PEOPLE, THE FLAT TAX, WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO KEEP MORE OF WHAT YOU EARN, REAL TAX CUTS, A NEW SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM FOR WORKING PEOPLE, WHERE, IF YOU WISH, AGAIN YOU HAVE A CHOICE, THE BULK OF THOSE MONIES CAN GO TO YOUR OWN PERSONAL ACCOUNT, OF PUTTING CAPS ON GOVERNMENT SPENDING, YOU PUT ALL THIS TOGETHER -- AND WE HAD EXPERTS LOOK AT THAT PROGRAM, AND THEY SAID WITHIN 20 YEARS, NOT ONLY WOULD WE HAVE SUBSTANTIALLY MORE GROWTH, NOT ONLY WOULD, IN A DECADE, WAGES IN AMERICA GO UP 60 PERCENT AVERAGE WAGE, BUT THE NATIONAL DEBT WITHIN A GENERATION WOULD BE REDUCED BY 60 PERCENT.

Yepsen: A LOT OF EXPERTS SAY IT'S WRONG TO HAVE --

Forbes: IT'S A REAL DEBT REDUCTION, NOT A PHONY ONE.

Yepsen: BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING THAT TAX CUTS NOW WOULD SIMPLY OVERHEAT THE ECONOMY, THAT IT'S THROWING GAS ON A FIRE, THE ECONOMY IS REALLY COOKING, THAT IF YOU DID A TAX CUT LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT WOULD OVERHEAT AND CAUSE MORE INFLATION. HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT?

Forbes: WELL, PROSPERITY DOES NOT CAUSE INFLATION, DESPITE THE FEVERED IMAGININGS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE. IN THE 1980S, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAD A LONG RUN OF PROSPERITY, INFLATION FELL BY TWO-THIRDS. IN THE '90S WE'VE HAD A LONG RUN OF PROSPERITY, AND INFLATION IS VIRTUALLY NONEXISTENT. PROSPERITY IS NOT THE PROBLEM. WE CAN HAVE A REAL, MORE GENUINE PROSPERITY. WE CAN HAVE MORE PRODUCTIVITY AND MORE ECONOMIC GROWTH, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M PROPOSING, SO THAT WORKING PEOPLE GET TO FEEL THEY JUST DON'T READ ABOUT THE PROSPERITY, THEY GET TO REALLY EXPERIENCE THE PROSPERITY.

Glover: AS WE MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE HAVE BEEN A LONG SERIES OF DEBATES BETWEEN THE SIX REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES. WHAT IS IT THAT YOU HOPE VOTERS HAVE LEARNED AS THEY WATCH THIS DEBATE SERIES, NOT JUST THE DEBATE YESTERDAY, BUT THE WHOLE SERIES?

Forbes: I HOPE THEY'VE LEARNED FROM ME THAT I'VE GOT THE MOST EXCITING, BOLDEST IDEAS OF ANY OTHER CANDIDATE, IN FACT, ALL THE CAMPAIGNS PUT TOGETHER, THAT WILL MAKE A REAL CHANGE IN AMERICAN PEOPLES' LIVES. AND THAT'S WHY I'M IN IT, TO GET REAL THINGS DONE. I AM AN OUTSIDER. AND ONE THING I EMPHASIZE TO PEOPLE IS THAT THE SPECIAL INTERESTS HAVE NO HOOKS IN ME. THERE'S NO WAY THEY CAN CONTROL ME. I CAN DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR AMERICA?

Glover: DO YOU THINK YOU'VE MADE THAT POINT?

Forbes: I'M WORKING AT IT. IT JUST DOESN'T COME IN ONE DEBATE OR ONE CAMPAIGN APPEARANCE. THAT'S WHY I'M WORKING HERE ON SUNDAY, GOING AROUND IOWA RIGHT UP TO THE CAUCUSES AND THEN AROUND THE REST OF THE COUNTRY.

Yepsen: AND WE'VE GOT ABOUT 30 SECONDS LEFT. WE'LL GIVE IT TO YOU FOR YOUR LAST SHOT.

Forbes: WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT'S BEEN GOOD TO BE HERE. AND I AM, AS I SAID, AN INDEPENDENT OUTSIDER WHO'S GOT A BOLD AGENDA, POSITIVE IDEAS FOR WORKING PEOPLE, THAT WILL ENABLE PEOPLE TO LIVE THE AMERICAN DREAM, HAVE A BETTER LIFE. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE DONE FROM THE INSIDERS. ONLY AN INDEPENDENT OUTSIDER CAN DO IT, AND THAT'S WHY I'M APPEALING TO THE VOTERS OF IOWA FOR THEIR HELP. TOGETHER WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN.

Glover: CAN YOU ASSURE YOUR BACKERS THAT YOU CAN WIN THIS THING?

Forbes: THE WAY YOU WIN IS BY BRINGING VOTERS TOGETHER. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING. VOTE YOUR HEARTS AND MINDS; DON'T VOTE THE WAY THE PUNDITS TELL YOU TO VOTE. THAT'S WHY I WANT YOU TO HAVE A SURPRISE ON MONDAY NIGHT.

Borg: WE'LL BE WAITING. THANK YOU, MR. FORBES.

Forbes: THANK YOU.

Borg: AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THE CANDIDATES HAVE A WEEK TO CAMPAIGN BEFORE IOWANS HAVE THEIR VOTES HEARD, WITH THE IOWA CAUCUSES OF 2000 SCHEDULED FOR A WEEK FROM ON TOMORROW, JANUARY 24. SO ON OUR NEXT EDITION OF IOWA PRESS, OUR POLITICAL REPORTERS WILL BE HERE AT THE TABLE DISCUSSING THE CAMPAIGN OF 2000. WE CALL IT A REPORTERS' ROUNDTABLE, NEXT SUNDAY AT NOON AND 7:00. WE INVITE TO YOU EAVESDROP. AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK'S EDITION OF IOWA PRESS. I'M DEAN BORG. THANKS FOR JOINING US TODAY.

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