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Iowa Press #2741 - Reporters Roundtable
June 11, 2000

Borg: THE GENERAL ELECTION OF 2000 IS ONLY A LITTLE MORE THAN FOUR MONTHS AWAY, AND THE SUMMER CAMPAIGN SEASON IS UNDERWAY. WE'LL DISCUSS THE ISSUES AND THE CANDIDATES IN THE CAMPAIGN OF 2000 WITH OUR TEAM OF POLITICAL REPORTERS ON THIS EDITION OF IOWA PRESS.

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THIS IS THE SUNDAY, JUNE 11TH EDITION OF IOWA PRESS. HERE IS DEAN BORG.

Borg: THIS PAST TUESDAY'S PRIMARY ELECTION NARROWED THE CANDIDATE FIELD AND SHARPENED THE ISSUES FOR THE NOVEMBER 7TH GENERAL ELECTION. IOWA'S REPUBLICAN PARTY HELD ITS STATE CONVENTION THIS PAST WEEKEND, AND IOWA DEMOCRATS MEET NEXT WEEKEND. THERE, THE PARTIES FINALIZE THEIR CANDIDATE SLATES AND DECIDE ISSUES FOR THE PLATFORMS THEIR CANDIDATES WILL BE CARRYING INTO THE CAMPAIGNS. SO WE'RE INTO THE SUMMER CAMPAIGN SEASON, AS THE PARTIES AND THEIR CANDIDATES ADJUST STRATEGIES TO HOPEFULLY PROVIDE THE WINNING EDGE. OF PARTICULAR INTEREST, IN IOWA, IS THE MAKEUP OF THE NEW LEGISLATURE. THE REPUBLICANS HOLD MAJORITIES IN BOTH CHAMBERS RIGHT NOW: 30 TO 20 IN THE IOWA SENATE; 56 TO 44 IN THE IOWA HOUSE. WE GATHER TODAY TO DISCUSS THE CAMPAIGN OF 2000 WITH OUR TEAM OF POLITICAL REPORTERS: DAVID YEPSEN OF THE DES MOINES REGISTER, KAY HENDERSON OF RADIO IOWA, MIKE GLOVER OF THE ASSOCIATED PRESS, AND KATHIE OBRADOVICH OF THE LEE NEWSPAPERS.

KATHIE, I'LL START WITH YOU. I TALKED ABOUT THE IOWA LEGISLATURE; REPUBLICANS IN CONTROL THERE RIGHT NOW. BUT ARE CONDITIONS RIGHT FOR THE DEMOCRATS TO TAKE OVER?

Obradovich: WELL, THE DEMOCRATS WOULD LIKE TO THINK SO. DAVE SCHRADER, THE HOUSE MINORITY LEADER, PUT OUT HIS STRATEGY THIS WEEK TALKING ABOUT THE OPEN SEATS THAT HE'S TARGETING WITH CANDIDATES AND THE INCUMBENTS THAT HE THINKS THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO KNOCK OFF. ONE OF HIS SCENARIOS IS THE FACT THAT DEMOCRATS HAVE DONE WELL IN THE PAST IN PRESIDENTIAL -- OR NONPRESIDENTIAL YEARS. WELL, IN PRESIDENTIAL YEARS, I GUESS IT WOULD BE THIS YEAR, BUT REALISTICALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RACES, YOU BREAK IT DOWN, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT TIME PROBABLY TAKING OVER FROM THE REPUBLICANS.

Glover: PART OF THE PROBLEM THE DEMOCRATS HAVE, DEAN, IS THERE'S NOT A BIG PROBLEM OUT THERE. THE PUBLIC IS FAIRLY -- IF WE'RE TO BELIEVE ALL THE POLLS THAT WE SEE, THE PUBLIC IS FAIRLY HAPPY WITH THE DIRECTION THE COUNTRY AND STATE IS GOING. THE ECONOMY IS DOING PRETTY WELL. THERE'S NOT A VIETNAM WAR TO WORRY ABOUT. THERE'S NOTHING GOING ON IN THE ELECTORATE TO CAUSE PEOPLE TO SAY LET'S CHANGE THINGS. SO WHEN THE CONDITIONS ARE LIKE THAT, AND YOU SAY CONDITIONS ARE RIPE, WHEN CONDITIONS ARE LIKE THAT, CONDITIONS ARE PRETTY RIPE FOR THINGS TO STAY PRETTY MUCH AS THEY ARE. THERE'S NO GOOD REASON FOR PEOPLE TO GO OUT AND THROW THE BUMS OUT. AS WE SAW IN THIS PRIMARY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT LEADS TO IS TURNOUT IS PRETTY MISERABLE.

Borg: YES.

Henderson: TURNOUT WAS ABYSMAL IN SCOTT COUNTY. IT WAS SOMETHING -- AKIN TO 4 PERCENT STATEWIDE. ALL ELIGIBLE VOTERS, NEARLY TWO MILLION OF THEM, ONLY 8.2 PERCENT TURNED OUT. PEOPLE JUST AREN'T CLAMORING FOR CHANGE, AND THEY SAW NO REASON TO GO TO THE POLLS. ALSO, THERE WERE VERY FEW PRIMARIES ON THE LEGISLATIVE LEVEL. THEY HAD THE POTENTIAL WITH 100 SEATS IN THE HOUSE AND 25 IN THE SENATE FOR 250 PRIMARIES. THEY ONLY HAD 17.

Yepsen: I GUESS, I'LL TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A MINORITY VIEW. I THINK THE DEMOCRATS DO HAVE A SHOT HERE AT ONE OR BOTH HOUSES. AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE IT IS A PRESIDENTIAL TURNOUT AND THEY DO HAVE PROBABLY THE BEST CAMPAIGN THAT THEY'VE HAD IN A LONG TIME FOR THIS. IT'S TOO EARLY TO MAKE PREDICTIONS FOR THE REASONS WE'VE JUST BEEN TALKING ABOUT HERE. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS RACE BY RACE AND VULNERABILITIES AND SO FORTH, I THINK DEMOCRATS HAVE A SHOT IF, DEAN, THERE IS A GOOD PRESIDENTIAL-YEAR TURNOUT. IF WE SEE THIS PHENOMENON IN THE GENERAL ELECTION THAT WE SAW IN THE PRIMARY OF NOT VERY MANY SHOWING UP, THAT ALWAYS HURTS DEMOCRATS.

Borg: MIKE, IF YOU HAD TO PICK ISSUES, THERE'S GOING TO BE LOCAL ISSUES THAT ELECT LOCAL LEGISLATORS TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE, OR ARE THERE SOME STATEWIDE ISSUES THAT, IF YOU HAD TO WRING IT OUT, YES, MAYBE IT WOULD EXCITE SOMEBODY.

Glover: LEGISLATIVE ELECTIONS ARE ALL ABOUT LOCAL ISSUES. NOW, THERE ARE SOME OVERARCHING ISSUES THAT WILL PLAY IN LEGISLATIVE POLITICS. ONE, THE FARM ECONOMY IS NOT TOO GREAT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DROUGHT THIS YEAR, WHICH WILL AGGRAVATE THE SITUATION. ALL OF THAT WILL PLAY INTO LEGISLATIVE POLITICS. BUT LEGISLATIVE POLITICS ALL BOIL DOWN TO WHICH CANDIDATE IN A LOCAL ELECTION IS THE MOST CONNECTED TO A COMMUNITY, IS THE MOST RESPECTED IN THE COMMUNITY, IS THE MOST THOUGHT-WELL-OF IN THAT COMMUNITY. THAT'S WHAT LEGISLATIVE POLITICS ALL BOIL DOWN TO, AND WE ALL GET FOOLED BECAUSE WE TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ISSUE IS GOING TO PLAY IN THIS ELECTION, WHETHER IT'S ALL WHO'S SO-AND-SO'S COUSIN.

Borg: KATHIE, YOU WRITE FOR SEVERAL LOCAL PAPERS: MASON CITY, OTTUMWA, QUAD CITIES. I'M WONDERING IN THOSE AREAS, DID YOU SEE SOME THINGS THAT EXCITED LOCAL VOTERS?

Obradovich: WELL, AS KAY ALREADY MENTIONED, LOCAL VOTERS DIDN'T SHOW THAT THEY WERE VERY EXCITED FOR THE PRIMARY. THEY STAYED HOME. I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT, IN ADDITION TO PROBABLY SOME LOCAL THINGS, LOCAL COMMUNITIES ARE RALLYING AROUND THINGS LIKE THEY WANT TO RAISE MONEY OR THEY WANT TO HAVE PROJECTS TO GET SOME MONEY FROM THE STATE MILLENNIUM FUND THAT WAS APPROVED THIS YEAR. THEY'RE TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT THEY CAN DO TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY. THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET JOBS. IT'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, ONLY DIFFERS A LITTLE BIT FROM TOWN TO TOWN. BUT THERE ARE A FEW OVERARCHING ISSUES. REPUBLICANS ARE GOING INTO THE SESSION TRYING TO MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT THEY NEED A CHECK AND BALANCE WITH VILSACK. THEY'RE GOING TO TRY AND MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT THEY WERE THE ONES THAT WERE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE DURING THE SESSION WHILE VILSACK WANTED TO BUST THE BUDGET. MEANWHILE, THEY ALSO KNOW THAT VILSACK IS POPULAR, SO THEY'RE GOING TO SAY THAT TOGETHER THEY ACCOMPLISH SOME GOOD THINGS DURING THE SESSION. DEMOCRATS ARE COUNTERING WITH THE THINGS THAT DIDN'T GET DONE: TRIGGER LOCKS FOR HANDGUNS; .08 DRUNK DRIVING CHANGE.

Glover: IT'S AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION WITH REPUBLICANS. THEY WANT TO BE A CHECK ON THE GOVERNOR, WHO'S GOT A 70-PERCENT APPROVAL RATING.

Yepsen: WE HAVEN'T MENTIONED THE VILSACK FACTOR IN THESE LEGISLATIVE RACES. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING NEW FOR ALL OF US. WE HAVEN'T HAD A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR IN THIS STATE FOR 30 SOME YEARS. TOM VILSACK IS GOING TO BE A REAL PLUS FOR DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATIVE CANDIDATES. HE'S HELPED THE PARTY RECRUIT CANDIDATES. NOTHING LIKE A CALL FROM THE GOVERNOR IN DES MOINES SAYING, "JOE, WE'VE REALLY GOT TO HAVE YOU RUN." SECONDLY, HE WILL HELP THEM RAISE MONEY. HE HAS ALREADY DONE THAT. THREE, YOU WILL SEE HIS PERSONAL APPEARANCES COINCIDE WITH KEY DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATIVE TARGETED DISTRICTS. HE'S TAKING THIS LITTLE WALK ACROSS IOWA. WELL, IT ISN'T A WALK; HE'S JUST DOING BITS AND PIECES. IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE HE'S GOING, HE'S GOING TO PLACES WHERE HE WAS WEAK, LIKE IN WESTERN IOWA, OR WHERE IT JUST SO HAPPENS THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATIVE RACE GOING ON. AND SO I THINK HE WILL BE OUT THERE TO GIN UP THAT DEMOCRATIC BASE AND GET IT OUT. I THINK IT WILL BE A REAL ASSET TO DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATIVE CANDIDATES.

Borg: LET'S BROADEN THE PERSPECTIVE HERE ON GOVERNOR TOM VILSACK, MIKE. WHAT OVERALL, DO YOU ASSESS AS HIS REPORT CARD NOW IN MID-TERM?

Glover: HIS REPORT CARD WOULD HAVE TO BE PRETTY GOOD RIGHT NOW. YOU WOULDN'T GIVE HIM AN "A." YOU WOULD GIVE HIM A "B," I THINK A PRETTY STRONG "B." AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IF YOU LOOK AT HIS APPROVAL RATING, HE'S PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN THE SEVENTIES FOR APPROVAL. HE'S GOTTEN HIMSELF IN HOT WATER WITH HIS OWN PARTY FOR THE NUMBER OF REPUBLICAN HOLDOVERS HE'S KEPT IN HIS ADMINISTRATION. HE'S NOT HUGE PARTY LINE ON EVERY ISSUE. HE'S BUCKED ORGANIZED LABOR ON A COUPLE OF THINGS. HE'S STOOD UP TO SOME PEOPLE IN HIS OWN PARTY. HE'S BEEN A MODERATE, TO BE SHORT, IN MOST ISSUES. SO THAT PLAYS PRETTY WELL TO HIS APPROVAL RATING. PROBABLY WOULD BE SOMEWHERE IN THE SEVENTIES. HE'S PRETTY MUCH MIDDLE OF THE ROAD. HE UNDERSTANDS THAT HE GOT ELECTED WITH THE SUPPORT OF INDEPENDENT VOTERS. THAT WAS THE KEY VOTER BLOCK THAT ELECTED HIM, AND HE'S CATERED TO THEM. I THINK HE'S DONE PRETTY WELL.

Yepsen: I THINK HE HAS A COUPLE PROBLEMS. FIRST OF ALL, HE IS AN ACTIVIST INDIVIDUAL. HE'S A LIBERAL. HE'S A BIT LIKE BILL CLINTON IN THIS REGARD THAT HE COMES TO OFFICE AT A TIME WHEN PEOPLE DON'T WANT GOVERNMENT TO BE DOING A WHOLE LOT. HE'S A LITTLE BIT FRUSTRATED THAT HE CAN'T PUSH THINGS ON A LITTLE FASTER THAN HE HAS. AND SECONDLY, I THINK HE'S SPREAD TOO THIN. IF YOU ASK HIM, WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES IN IOWA, HE'LL TICK OFF 6 PRIORITIES, AND HE'S GOT 77 BILLS UP THERE IN THE LEGISLATURE. AND AS A RESULT, HE'S REALLY NOT MADE MUCH PROGRESS ON ANY OF THESE FRONTS. SOME... BUT YOU CAN'T NAME ONE OF THESE PROBLEMS THAT HE'S SOLVED. I GO BACK TO SOMETHING PETE DUPONT SAID WHEN HE WAS GOVERNOR OF DELAWARE. A GOVERNOR CAN DO ANYTHING HE WANTS. HE CAN'T DO EVERYTHING HE WANTS. I THINK THE GOVERNOR IS GOING TO HAVE TO GET A LITTLE MORE FOCUS IF HE WANTS TO GET THIS LEGISLATURE MOVING ON SOME THINGS.

Henderson: HE ALSO HAS SHOWN -- I GUESS HIS STAFF HAS SHOWN -- AN INABILITY TO PULL HIM BACK FROM THE ABYSS WHEN HE'S ABOUT READY TO MAKE A MISTAKE. THESE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF LITTLE THINGS THAT OCCUR TO ME. BUT HE DRESSED UP LIKE THE SCARECROW FOR THE SPRING FLING AT TERRACE HILL, AND HE LOOKED SORT OF LIKE MICHAEL DUKAKIS DID IN THAT SILLY HAT IN THE TANK. IT WAS A HORRIBLE PICTURE. HE SCARED SOME OF THE CHILDREN. SOME OF THEM TOLD HIM "I'M NOT ALLOWED TO TALK TO STRANGERS," AS HE WAS WALKING ABOUT. SO THAT WAS A DISASTER. HE'S LUCKY THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN AN ELECTION YEAR. NUMBER TWO, THIS WHOLE WALK ABOUT IOWA, RUN ABOUT IOWA. JUST THINK ABOUT THIS: THE GUY IS THE GOVERNOR OF YOUR STATE AND HE'S GOING TO COME INTO YOUR TOWN ALL SWEATY AND SIT DOWN AND HAVE A CUP OF COFFEE WITH YOU. THE GUY IS THE GOVERNOR. HE SHOULD HAVE THAT SORT OF AURA ABOUT HIM -- THE SUIT, THE TIE -- LOOK LIKE A GOVERNOR.

Obradovich: I THINK HE HAS LEARNED SOME THINGS, THOUGH, SINCE HE'S BEEN IN OFFICE. WHEN HE WAS FIRST ELECTED, HE GENERALLY LOOKED LIKE HE NEEDED A HAIRCUT AND HE HAD MAYBE LESS OF A GUBERNATORIAL STYLE ABOUT HIM. I THINK THAT HE HAS SORT OF POLISHED HIS IMAGE A LITTLE BIT. HE'S BUFFED UP. HE'S LOST WEIGHT. HE'S DONE SOME MORE PHYSICAL FITNESS WORK. AND HE COMES ACROSS AS BEING VERY GUBERNATORIAL. HE'S ALSO, I THINK, BORROWED A FEW PLAYS FROM TERRY BRANSTAD'S PLAY BOOK IN THIS WALK ACROSS IOWA; THAT IS, BASICALLY SPENDING THE SUMMER MEETING VOTERS, WHICH IS WHAT TERRY BRANSTAD DID VERY WELL.

Glover: BOTTOM LINE... HE'S IN THE SEVENTIES IN HIS APPROVAL RATING AND THERE'S NO REPUBLICAN OUT THERE THAT CAN LOGICALLY RUN AGAINST HIM. HE'S DOING SOMETHING RIGHT.

Yepsen: HISTORICALLY, THOUGH, A REPUBLICAN NOMINATION FOR GOVERNOR OF IOWA HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PRIZE WORTH HAVING. WE'VE ELECTED MORE REPUBLICANS THAN WE HAVE DEMOCRATS. SO I'M NOT WILLING TO SAY RIGHT NOW THAT IN 2002 HE'S A LEAD-PIPE CINCH FOR REELECTION.

Borg: JUST TO REVERT HERE TO THE DISCUSSION ON WALKING ACROSS IOWA. AS I REMEMBER IT, ONLY DEMOCRATS HAVE ATTEMPTED THAT. DICK CLARK IN --

Yepsen: DEAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT DICK CLARK -- IN 1972, WAS IT? HE ACTUALLY WALKED ACROSS THE WHOLE STATE. TOM VILSACK IS GOING TO DO LITTLE PIECES HERE AND THERE IN, COINCIDENTALLY, ALL THE KEY MEDIA MARKETS OF THE STATE.

Borg: AND THEN, DAVE OSTERBURG TRIED TO CANOE.

Yepsen: NOT A LOT OF VOTERS ALONG THE CREEK BEDS.

Borg: KAY, LET'S GO TO THE CONGRESSIONAL CAMPAIGNS. HOW DO YOU SEE, FIRST OF ALL, JIM LEACH RUNNING FOR REELECTION IN THE FIRST DISTRICT.

Henderson: WELL, IN THE FIRST DISTRICT, HE FACES BOB SIMPSON OF IOWA CITY, WHO WON THE PRIMARY ON TUESDAY AGAINST GREGORY GUY. ONE OF THE MOST DECIDED RACES IN THE CONTESTANT -- CONGRESSIONAL ELECTIONS AROUND THE STATE. IN THE SECOND DISTRICT, YOU HAVE A REMATCH; AND JIM NUSSLE, THE CONGRESSMAN THERE, IS RUNNING AGAINST DONNA SMITH, THE DEMOCRAT. IN THE THIRD, YOU HAVE LEONARD BOSWELL SEEKING HIS THIRD TERM. HE SEEMS TO BE, SORT OF, CRUISING ALONG, RUNNING AGAINST JAY MARCUS WHO'S FROM FAIRFIELD. MARCUS WON THAT PRIMARY ON TUESDAY AGAINST PHIL FERREN OF OTTUMWA. MARCUS, BY THE WAY, IS A GENTLEMAN WHO RAN AS A NATURAL LAW PARTY CANDIDATE FOR CONGRESS AND ALSO FOR IOWA ATTORNEY GENERAL, SO NOW HE'S A CONVERTED REPUBLICAN. I'M SURE THAT WILL COME UP ON THE TRAIL. IN THE FOURTH YOU HAVE GREG GANSKE, THE CONGRESSMAN SEEKING REELECTION AGAINST MIKE HUSTON, A DES MOINES LAWYER. AND IN THE FIFTH, YOU HAVE TOM LATHAM, WHO ABSOLUTELY CRUSHED TOKEN PRIMARY OPPOSITION ON TUESDAY, FACING A GUY NAMED MIKE PALECEK, WHO IS FROM SHELDON. HE'S A PEACE ACTIVIST. WHEN I TALKED TO HIM ON THE PHONE ON PRIMARY NIGHT, I ASKED HIM WHAT HE INTENDED TO DO AGAINST MR. LATHAM. HE SAID, "WELL, I NEVER REALLY THOUGHT I'D WIN THE PRIMARY, SO I REALLY HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT YET." SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF RACES WE HAVE IN STORE FOR US.

Borg: IS THERE ANYTHING IN ANY OF THOSE CAMPAIGNS THAT IS GOING TO SEND UP SKY ROCKETS?

Yepsen: NO. I THINK BOTH PARTIES, IN FACT, HAD DIFFICULTY FIELDING GOOD, FRONT, TOP-TIER CANDIDATES, DEAN. LOOK, MOST CONGRESSIONAL INCUMBENTS GET RE-ELECTED. SECONDLY, IF YOU ARE A CREDIBLE POLITICIAN IN IOWA THINKING ABOUT WANTING TO GO TO CONGRESS, THIS IS A BAD YEAR TO DO IT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO REDRAW THE LINES IN TWO YEARS. SO A LOT OF GOOD CANDIDATES OUT THERE SAID, "THIS ISN'T MY YEAR. I'M GOING TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT THOSE LINES LOOK LIKE IN 2002, AND THEN I'LL RUN FOR CONGRESS."

Glover: THERE'S SOME FUTURE-LOOKING GOING ON HERE, DEAN, BECAUSE YOU HAVE IN THE THIRD CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, YOU HAVE LEONARD BOSWELL WHO'S PROBABLY GOT A LOCK ON THAT SEAT. IT'S NOT AN OVERWHELMING DEMOCRATIC DISTRICT, BUT HE FITS THE DISTRICT PRETTY WELL. BUT HE'S IN HIS MID 60S. NO ONE KNOWS HOW LONG HE'S GOING TO BE THERE. PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT ELECTION OR TWO, THAT'S GOING TO BE AN OPEN SEAT. IF I'M AN ASPIRING POLITICIAN IN THE THIRD DISTRICT, I'M NOT GOING TO GO AGAINST A SITTING A POLITICIAN, I'M GOING TO WAIT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS UNTIL HE'S NOT THERE. IN THE FOURTH DISTRICT, YOU'VE GOT GREG GANSKE WHO IS POSITIONING HIMSELF TO RUN AGAINST TOM HARKIN IN TWO YEARS. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE AN OPEN SEAT IN TWO YEARS. YOU'VE GOT JIM NUSSLE IN NORTHEAST IOWA, WHO IS DOING SOME CLIMBING WITHIN CONGRESS, MAYBE BECOMING A CREATURE OF WASHINGTON. THAT COULD BE AN OPEN SEAT IN A FEW YEARS. SO YOU'VE GOT A SITUATION WHERE A LOT OF POLITICIANS ARE SITTING BACK SAYING, DAVE, YOU'RE RIGHT, THIS IS NOT MY YEAR, BECAUSE IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, MAYBE ONE ELECTION, MAYBE TWO ELECTIONS, THIS COULD BE AN OPEN SEAT. IT'S A HECK OF A LOT EASIER TO RUN FOR CONGRESS WHEN YOU'RE RUNNING FOR AN OPEN SEAT.

Henderson: PEOPLE HAVE BEEN LINING-UP TO RUN FOR LEACH'S SEAT, ALSO, FOR MAYBE FOUR YEARS IF NOT FOR MORE. SO EXACTLY, IT'S THE SAME CASE IN THE FIRST DISTRICT.

Borg: KATHIE, WHILE YOU HAVE THE VOICE HERE, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN. IS IOWA IN PLAY, REALLY? ARE THEY SEEKING IOWA'S ELECTORAL VOTES?

Obradovich: ABSOLUTELY, AL GORE JUST STARTED RUNNING ISSUE ADS HERE THIS WEEK, FINANCED BY THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE, SO I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, HE'S LOOKING AT IOWA. I THINK WE CAN EXPECT TO SEE BOTH CANDIDATES CAMPAIGN HERE IN IOWA, NOT BECAUSE IT'S NECESSARILY RICH IN ELECTORAL VOTES, BUT BECAUSE IT'S A STATE THAT'S TRADITIONALLY, THE LAST COUPLE CYCLES, GONE DEMOCRAT, AND I THINK THE REPUBLICANS WANT A CHANCE TO TAKE IT AWAY.

Glover: IT'S PART OF THE BATTLEGROUND, DEAN. THIS ELECTION, I THINK, ALL STRATEGISTS AGREE, GEORGE W. BUSH HAS GOT THE SOUTH LOCKED UP. AL GORE HAS GOT THE COASTS LOCKED UP, AND THE ELECTION IS GOING TO BE SETTLED IN THE MIDWEST. IOWA IS PART OF THE MIDWEST. IT'S ONLY SEVEN ELECTORAL VOTES, BUT IT'S PART OF THE MIDWEST. THE CANDIDATES ARE GOING TO SPEND THEIR TIME IN THE MIDWEST. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CEDE ANYTHING IN THE MIDWEST.

Yepsen: IOWA IS A LOT MORE IMPORTANT TO AL GORE THAN IT IS TO GEORGE BUSH. IF YOU LOOK AT THE POLLING RIGHT NOW, BUSH LEADS IN STATES WITH ABOUT 280 ELECTORAL VOTES, GORE LEADS IN STATES WITH ABOUT 190. SO BUSH IS CLEARLY A LOT CLOSER TO THE 270 THAT HE NEEDS. GIVEN THAT IOWA HAS GONE DEMOCRATIC IN THE LAST THREE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS, THAT BECOMES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR GORE TO TRY TO DO IT AGAIN. THAT'S WHY HE STARTED ADVERTISING HERE. BUT IF YOU'RE BUSH, YOU LOOK AT THIS STATE AND SAY, WOW, HE'S GOT TO HAVE IT, SO I'LL PUT A LITTLE RESOURCES IN THERE. SO THAT'S WHY, AS IN THE LAST FEW ELECTIONS, IOWA WILL BE A BATTLEGROUND STATE.

Borg: WHAT ABOUT IOWA -- IF WE ARE A BATTLEGROUND STATE IN THIS CAMPAIGN, ARE THE CANDIDATES GOING ON RECORD AND PUTTING THEMSELVES IN LINE TO KEEP IOWA FIRST FOUR YEARS FROM NOW IN THE CAUCUSES? HOW DO YOU SEE THAT? KAY?

Henderson: AL GORE HAS SORT OF DONE THE MACHINATIONS OF THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE, AND IOWA IS IN LINE TO BE FIRST IN THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE. THE PROBLEM IS THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE. YOU HAVE A GROUP OF FOLKS WHO REALLY DON'T LIKE IOWA BEING FIRST. THERE'S A NEW PLAN BEING BROUGHT OUT BY THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE GROUP THAT'S DECIDING THE CAUCUS AND PRIMARY DATE SCHEDULE. YOU NEED -- YOU NEED A STRONG BUSH IN THERE AND, HERETOFORE, HE HASN'T REALLY GONE IN AND PUT HIS FOOT DOWN AND SAID IOWA NEEDS TO BE FIRST.

Yepsen: YEAH, AND AL GORE DID THAT. BOTH BUSH AND AL GORE HAVE SAID THEY LIKE IOWA AND NEW HAMPSHIRE BEING FIRST. I WENT TO CHICAGO TO COVER THE REPUBLICAN RULES COMMITTEE MEETING THERE. GEORGE BUSH'S PEOPLE DIDN'T LIFT A FINGER TO HELP IOWA. THAT WAS IN MARKED CONTRAST TO THE DEMOCRATIC MEETING, WHERE DONNA BRAZILLE, GORE'S CAMPAIGN MANAGER, STOOD UP AND SAID, "I THINK IOWA OUGHT TO BE FIRST." SO, AS FAR AS THE DEMOCRATS ARE CONCERNED, IOWA AND NEW HAMPSHIRE WILL STILL BE FIRST. IT'S STILL AN OPEN QUESTION AMONG REPUBLICANS, AND A LOT OF IOWA REPUBLICANS I'VE TALKED TO ARE FRUSTRATED THAT GEORGE W. BUSH MADE THAT PROMISE HERE AND HASN'T BEEN DELIVERING ON IT SO FAR.

Henderson: IT'S KIND OF PUZZELING ABOUT WHY HE WOULDN'T STEP FORWARD. ONE, I DON'T THINK HE REALLY WANTS THIS KIND OF FIGHT TO BE GOING ON DURING THE CONVENTION TO SORT OF DISTRACT PEOPLE'S ATTENTION AWAY FROM HIS NOMINATION. AND SECOND OF ALL, THE PLAN THAT THE RULES COMMITTEE VOTED ON HAS TEXAS DEAD LAST IN THE GROUP OF LARGE STATES THAT WOULD BE THE LAST TO VOTE. NOW NONE OF THOSE LARGE STATES REALLY WANT TO BE LAST. SO YOU THINK THAT PEOPLE IN TEXAS WOULD WANT BUSH TO PUSH FOR SOME KIND OF ALTERNATIVE.

Glover: I THINK WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR A WHILE AND SEE HOW IT'S GOING TO SETTLE OUT. YOU'RE ALL RIGHT ABOUT WHAT THE RULES ARE GOING TO SAY. THE DEMOCRATIC RULES ARE PRETTY CLEAR, REPUBLICANS RULES ARE IN FLUX. THE REALITY OF THE CAMPAIGN OF 2004 WILL DICTATE WHO'S FIRST. FOR EXAMPLE, IF AL GORE WINS THE PRESIDENCY THIS YEAR AND IT'S A REPUBLICAN FIGHT IN FOUR YEARS, THE JOHN MCCAIN MODEL IS GOING TO BE LYING ON THE TABLE FOR PEOPLE TO FOLLOW, WHICH IS YOU SKIP IOWA, YOU START NEW HAMPSHIRE. ALL THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DO THAT. SO IOWA CAN BE FIRST ON THE CALENDAR IN BOTH PARTIES, AND CANDIDATES CAN JUST CHOOSE NOT TO COME HERE.

Yepsen: YOU'VE GOT WHAT DO THE RULES SAY VERSUS THE POLITICAL REALITY, AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. ONE THING THAT IOWA HAS GOING FOR IT ON THE LEGAL FRONT IS INERTIA. I MEAN EVERYBODY HATES THIS PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATING SYSTEM, BUT NOBODY IN THE COUNTRY CAN AGREE ON HOW IT OUGHT TO BE CHANGED. THAT MEANS THAT IOWA AND NEW HAMPSHIRE WILL PROBABLY STILL BE FIRST.

Borg: KAYNE ROBINSON, IOWA'S REPUBLICAN PARTY CHIEF, GOT SOME NATIONAL PUBLICITY. SOUND BITES WERE PLAYED OVER AND OVER AGAIN INDICATING SOME I.R.A., MIKE, COZINESS.

Glover: N.R.A.

Borg: I.R.A. -- SORRY, N.R.A., NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION.

Glover: KAYNE HAS AN AGENDA. KANE IS THE FIRST VICE PRESIDENT OF THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION AND A LONG-TIME ADVOCATE FOR GUN RIGHTS, GUN OWNERSHIP RIGHTS. I THINK ONE OF THE PROBLEMS REPUBLICANS MAY LOOK BACK IN A FEW YEARS AND SAY WE MADE A MISTAKE. WE HAVE ELECTED A STATE CHAIR WHO HAS A COUPLE OF AGENDAS, AND A COUPLE OF AGENDAS AHEAD OF IOWA REPUBLICAN POLITICS. ONE OF THEM IS THE N.R.A. I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK BACK ON THIS WHOLE CAUCUS FIGHT, ONE OF THE ISSUES MAY BE WAS THE IOWA REPUBLICAN PARTY FOCUSED ENOUGH ON KEEPING IOWA FIRST, OR WAS THE LEADERSHIP OF THAT PARTY DISTRACTED WITH OTHER AGENDAS? I THINK THE LEADERSHIP OF THE PARTY WAS DISTRACTED WITH OTHER AGENDAS.

Obradovich: ROBINSON WENT INTO THAT CHAIRMANSHIP THINKING THAT HE WAS GOING TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THOSE TWO ROLES SEPARATE. HE TRIED TO BUILD A FIRE WALL, WON'T EVEN TALK ABOUT N.R.A. BUSINESS WHEN HE'S SPEAKING IN HIS REPUBLICAN CHAIR HAT. IT REALLY JUST DOESN'T WORK.

Yepsen: WE REALLY SAW THAT DISTRACTION WORK IN THIS CAUCUS FIGHT. ROB TULLY AND THE DEMOCRATS, THEY WERE FOCUSED ON KEEPING IOWA FIRST. KAYNE ROBINSON JUST WAS BUSY. THERE ARE ONLY SO MANY HOURS IN THE DAY. THE SECOND PROBLEM HE HAS -- AND YOU SAW WHAT DEMOCRATS IN THE LABOR MOVEMENT. YOU TRY TO WEAR TWO HATS; IT'S OFTENTIMES DIFFICULT. YOU USED TO SEE DEMOCRATIC LABOR LEADERS WHO HELD PARTY OFFICES. THEY WOULD OFTENTIMES BE PULLING THEIR PARTY TOO FAR TO THE LEFT FOR IT TO WIN ELECTIONS IN THE CENTER BECAUSE THEIR REAL INTEREST WERE THE AGENDAS OF THE LABOR UNIONS. I THINK KAYNE ROBINSON'S GOT THE SAME PROBLEM ON THE RIGHT. HE'S OUT THERE ADVOCATING GUN CONTROL. IT'S NOT A GREAT BIG ISSUE WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE. IT IS WITH A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE. IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF REPUBLICANS WOULD LIKE TO SEE GO AWAY.

Henderson: AND A TIME WHEN HE IS FOCUSED ON AN ISSUE, THE LEADERS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAVE A PROBLEM AND THAT'S TURNOUT AND THAT'S CHURNING PEOPLE OUT FOR THE POLLS AND THAT'S NOT REALLY -- HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH ISSUES. THAT HAS TO DO WITH MOTIVATING PEOPLE AT THE GRASS ROOTS, BUILDING PARTY SUPPORT, AND THAT KIND OF THING. AND IF HE'S DISTRACTED WITH THIS N.R.A. FIGHT, HE'S NOT DOING THAT PARTY BUILDING ACTIVITY.

Glover: WHEN HE IS IN WASHINGTON SPEAKING TO A CONVENTION OF THE N.R.A. AND SAYING THE THINGS THAT GOT HIM IN TROUBLE, HE'S NOT IN IOWA WORRYING ABOUT A MAILING LIST AND HOW MUCH PER VOTER IT COSTS TO GET A DIRECT MAIL PIECE TO SO-AND-SO.

Yepsen: HAVING SAID ALL THIS ABOUT KAYNE ROBINSON, I THINK YOU HAVE TO SAY HIS POSITION INSIDE THE PARTY IS PRETTY GOOD. THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE TRYING TO KNOCK HIM OFF OR TAKE HIS PEOPLE OUT. THEY FAILED. HE'S PRETTY STRONG INSIDE HIS PARTY RIGHT NOW.

Borg: IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE A CONTINUING LIABILITY FOR KAYNE ROBINSON AS YOU, DAVE AND KAY, KNOW, BUT FOR THE PARTY?

Glover: FOR THE PARTY, NOT FOR KANE ROBINSON. DAVE IS RIGHT. THERE WAS AN EFFORT WHEN THEY ELECTED A NEW REPUBLICAN STATE SENATE COMMITTEE TO ELECT PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE INCLINED TO REPLACE HIM THAT FAILED. HE'S NOT GOING TO BE REPLACED IN THE PARTY. HAVING SAID ALL THAT, I THINK HE'S BEEN PRETTY INEFFECTIVE AS A STATE REPUBLICAN CHAIRMAN. HE'S NOT A GOOD SPOKESMAN FOR THE PARTY, AND I THINK HE'S DONE SOME THINGS THAT HAVE CAUSED THE PARTY TO BE DISTRACTED.

Henderson: AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE GOING TO SEE HIS STATEMENT ABOUT THE N.R.A. WORKING OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN IN CAMPAIGN ADS. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE KIND OF A GRAIN OF SAND UNDER THE SADDLE.

Yepsen: EVEN HE ACKNOWLEDGES NOW THAT WAS A DUMB THING TO SAY; HE SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID IT. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP PLAYING THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. IT MAY NOT RESONATE MUCH BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE "ANTIS" PLAYED THAT CARD AWFUL EARLY IN THE CAMPAIGN WHEN NOBODY WAS PAYING ATTENTION.

Borg: LET'S GO TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL MAKING NEWS, MARTIN JISCHKE, SAYING GOOD-BYE, IOWA, HELLO, PURDUE; OR GOOD-BYE IOWA STATE, GOOD-BYE STATE OF IOWA. WHAT DO YOU THINK, KAY? ANY RAMIFICATIONS OUTSIDE ACADEMIA?

Henderson: WELL, IT'S BEEN A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION AT THE STATEHOUSE, THAT'S FOR SURE. THE BUDGET BROUHAHA THAT HAPPENED AT THE LEGISLATURE OVER REPUBLICAN AND, TO BE FAIR, GOVERNOR VILSACK'S PLANS FOR SPENDING FOR THE REGENT'S INSTITUTIONS IN IOWA CITY AND CEDAR FALLS AND AMES, CALLED FOR SOME CUTS. JISCHKE WAS FAIRLY OUTSPOKEN, SAYING THAT THERE WOULD BE FACULTY AND STAFF LAYOFFS AS A RESULT OF THOSE PLANS. HIS DEPARTURE SORT OF LED TO THE LITTLE CREDENCE TO HIS ARGUMENT. ALSO, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE POINT THAT THE GUY IS MOVING UP. THIS IS A JOB THAT HE HAD TO TAKE IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS. THIS REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUDGET FIGHT. THAT'S JUST A LITTLE SIDE DRAMA.

Borg: THE QUESTION IS, DOES THIS THING HAVE ANY LEGS? IS IT GOING TO BE A LIABILITY FOR ANYBODY IN IOWA?

Glover: I THINK THIS IS A DEBATE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IN IOWA OVER THE NEXT FIVE TO TEN YEARS, THIS WHOLE DEBATE ABOUT THE ROLE OF THE REGENTS. I THINK THE REGENTS, AS AN INSTITUTION, HAVE GOTTEN THEMSELVES IN SOME POLITICAL HOT WATER BY NOT ADJUSTING TO CHANGING POLITICAL ECONOMIC TIMES. I THINK THEY STILL WANT TO BE AN INSULATED, ISOLATED ASPECT OF SOCIETY, TOO GOOD TO BE TOUCHED, TOO GOOD TO BE ACCOUNTABLE. AND I THINK THEY'RE PAYING FOR THAT RIGHT NOW. I THINK THAT JISCHKE VOICED SOME FRUSTRATION AMONGST REGENTS INSTITUTIONS AT THEIR BEING TAKEN OUT OF THIS SANCTIFIED ATMOSPHERE AND PUT BACK INTO POLITICAL REALITY. AND I THINK THAT DEBATE IS GOING TO RESONATE FOR A LONG TIME. I THINK HE VERY ARTICULATELY MADE THE POINT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE REGENTS INSTITUTIONS WILL MAKE, BUT I THINK THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND REALITY.

Obradovich: ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS ABOUT JISCHKE WAS THAT HE REALLY WORKED TO BRING THE UNIVERSITY INTO -- BACK INTO THE ECONOMY OF THE STATE. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT USING THE REGENT'S UNIVERSITIES AS A WAY OF DRIVING THE ECONOMY AND MAKING THAT. HE WAS CRITICIZED SOMEWHAT FOR THAT BECAUSE HE HAD A FOCUS ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AS OPPOSED TO WHAT SOME PEOPLE THOUGHT SHOULD BE THE MISSION OF THE UNIVERSITY, WHICH IS TO EDUCATE KIDS. I THINK THAT KIND OF DEBATE WILL CONTINUE. I DON'T REALLY SEE THESE REGENTS GOING OUT AND HIRING SOMEBODY WHO'S VASTLY DIFFERENT FROM JISCHKE. IT'S THE SAME GROUP OF FOLKS ON THAT BOARD.

Yepsen: I THINK THAT WILL CAUSE A LOT OF CONTROVERSY IN THE FACULTY LOUNGE UP AT IOWA STATE, BECAUSE THEY VERY MUCH WANT THE OTHER MODEL OF GOOD-BYE, MR. CHIPS. WE'RE ALL WALKING AROUND HERE, THE IVY CAMPUS AND TEACHING KIDS, AND WE -- WE'RE APART FROM THE WORLD. THEY DON'T LIKE THIS IDEA THAT THEY SOMEHOW OWE SOMETHING TO THE LARGER COMMUNITY OF IOWA. SO IF THE REGENTS DO THAT, IF THEY HIRE A CLONE OF MARTIN JISCHKE, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME REAL UPSET FACULTY MEMBERS AT IOWA STATE. MIKE'S RIGHT, THIS DEBATE, DEAN, IS GOING TO GO ON FOR A WHILE.

Henderson: AND THEIR PROBLEM WILL BE EXACERBATED IN A FEW YEARS IF THE FARM ECONOMY HITS THE TANK, BECAUSE THOSE LITTLE ISLANDS ARE GREAT ENGINES OF ECONOMIC PROSPERITY AND PEOPLE LOOK AT THAT WITH A LOT OF ENVY.

Yepsen: AND LEGISLATORS REFLECT THAT. THIS BUDGET THING -- THERE WAS A REASON WHY THE GOVERNOR SHORTED THEM AND THE LEGISLATURE SHORTED THEM, AND THAT WAS BECAUSE, POLITICALLY, THEIR POSITION IS NOT VERY STRONG. PEOPLE IN IOWA SEE EDUCATION DOLLARS BETTER SPENT IN COMMUNITY COLLEGES AND IN PRIVATE COLLEGES AND IN K-12 THAN THEY DO OFF IN IOWA CITY OR AMES.

Borg: I KNOW YOU'RE GETTING SET TO COMMENT ON THAT, BUT I WANT TO DRIVE YOU TO THAT LARGER ISSUE, AND THAT IS ISSUES IN GENERAL. WE TALKED ABOUT AN ISSUE HERE, AND THE FARM ECONOMY HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP. IS THE FARM ECONOMY -- ARE ECONOMIC ISSUES GOING TO BE A FACTOR AT ALL IN THIS ELECTION, AND WHAT ARE SOME OTHERS?

Glover: SURE. THE FARM ECONOMY IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THE ISSUES ARE GOING TO BE, BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE THAT ARE SHAPING UP RIGHT NOW: GAS PRICES THIS SUMMER ARE AN ISSUE THAT ARE THE BUZZ OF COFFEE SHOPS. YOU GO TO A COFFEE SHOP IN IOWA AND LISTEN TO WHAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT, YOU CAN BET THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT GAS PRICES $1.70 OR SO A GALLON. THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT A LOT. THE ECONOMY, IN GENERAL, AND CONFIDENCE IN THE DIRECTION OF WHERE THAT ECONOMY IS GOING WILL BE THE OVERARCHING ISSUE COME NOVEMBER.

Borg: ARE THERE SOME SLEEPER ISSUES THAT IF WE COULD JUST, FOR SOME POLITICAL PARTY OR SOME CANDIDATES, GET BY CERTAIN THINGS NOT HAPPENING, WHAT ARE SOME EXPLOSIVE LAND MINES THAT ARE LYING OUT THERE, DO YOU THINK?

Obradovich: WELL, SENIORS ARE ALWAYS A FACTOR IN ANY ELECTION, AND I THINK WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THAT DEMOCRATS INTEND TO REALLY HIT HARD WITH THIS PRESCRIPTION DRUG BENEFIT, PAINTING THE DRUG COMPANIES AS THE BAD GUYS, PAINTING REPUBLICANS AS THE BAD GUYS FOR NOT SUPPORTING PRESCRIPTION DRUG BENEFITS. AND ALSO, THE PATIENT'S BILL OF RIGHTS SEEMS TO BE BOGGED DOWN, AND THEY'LL HIT THAT AS WELL.

Yepsen: I'M NOT SURE IF ISSUES, PER SE, ARE AS IMPORTANT AS THE PERSONALITIES OF THE CANDIDATES: WHO DO YOU LIKE? DO YOU LIKE BUSH? DO YOU LIKE GORE? A LOT OF VOTERS SEEM TO HAVE SOME RETICENCE ABOUT AL GORE. ALL THE FORECASTING MODELS SUGGEST THAT GORE OUGHT TO BE OKAY, BECAUSE THE ECONOMY IS DOING WELL. BUT, DEAN, PEOPLE COULD BE IN A VERY BAD MOOD IN THIS STATE: FARM PRICES, INTEREST RATES GOING UP, FARM PRICES GOING DOWN, GAS PRICES GOING UP. WHERE'S THE DOW JONES GOING TO BE? IF ANY OF THOSE HEAD SOUTH ON AL GORE, THIS STATE AND MUCH OF THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO BE IN PLAY.

Borg: DAVE, WE HAVE JUST LESS THAN A MINUTE, AND I'D JUST LIKE TO HAVE YOU FORECAST A BIT. DAVE OMEN'S GROUP, 2010, IS GETTING SET TO RELEASE SOME THINGS. FROM WHAT YOU'VE SEEN, ARE THINGS THERE THAT ARE GOING TO SHAPE IOWA?

Yepsen: I THINK SO. ONE OF THE IDEAS THEY PUT OUT THERE IS WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE IMMIGRANTS. I MEAN THIS IS LILY WHITE IOWA; ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BUNCH OF IMMIGRANTS COMING IN HERE? I'M SORRY, I THINK THAT'S A VERY CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE. IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT, POLITICALLY, FOR THIS STATE TO PULL OFF.

Henderson: THEY HAVE PICKED A FOCUS, THOUGH, ON THE POPULATION OF THIS STATE, AND I THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE, IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS, ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES OUT THERE. I THINK THEY'VE HIT ON THE RIGHT ISSUE, WHETHER THEY'RE GOING ABOUT IT THE RIGHT WAY WILL BE A TOPIC FOR DEBATE.

Glover: ANOTHER REPORT WILL BE ON A SHELF AND WILL COLLECT DUST IN FIVE YEARS.

Borg: WE'LL HAVE TO END WITH THAT PREDICTION, MIKE. WE'LL COME BACK AND REVISIT AND SEE IF YOU'RE RIGHT. WE CLOSE WITH THIS REMINDER FOR YOU. IOWA PRESS IS NOW AVAILABLE TO OUR VIEWERS ON THE WORLDWIDE WEB. EACH WEEK OUR WEB SITE FEATURES WHAT'S-TO-COME ON IOWA PRESS, ALONG WITH COMMENTARY FROM MEMBERS OF OUR TEAM OF IOWA PRESS REPORTERS AND REPORTER BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCHES, NEWS LINKS TO OTHER RELEVANT SOURCES AND TOPICS, ALSO TRANSCRIPTS FROM PAST EDITIONS OF IOWA PRESS. TAKE A LOOK ON THE WORLDWIDE WEB. AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK'S EDITION. I HOPE YOU WATCH NEXT SUNDAY AT NOON AND 7:00. I'M DEAN BORG. THANKS FOR JOINING US HERE TODAY.

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