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Borg: IOWA STATE UNIVERSITY ATHLETIC DIRECTOR GENE SMITH IS ON HIS WAY TO ARIZONA STATE, AND AN ERA ENDS. WE'LL DISCUSS LEGACY AND THE STATE OF AFFAIRS IN BIG-TIME COLLEGE ATHLETICS WITH GENE SMITH ON THIS EDITION OF IOWA PRESS.

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THIS IS THE SUNDAY, AUGUST 6^TH EDITION OF IOWA PRESS. HERE IS DEAN BORG.

Borg: THE ASSESSMENTS OF GENE SMITH'S SEVEN-YEAR TENURE AS IOWA STATE UNIVERSITY'S 12TH ATHLETIC DIRECTOR ARE COMING IN, AND THE APPRAISALS ACROSS THE BOARD ARE THUMBS-UP. WHEN IT COMES TO HIGH-PROFILE ATHLETIC FACILITIES, SMITH PRESIDED OVER THE BIGGEST EXPANSION AND UPGRADE IN IOWA STATE'S HISTORY, PUTTING THE CYCLONES NOW IN THE UPPER TIER OF DIVISION ONE SCHOOLS ACROSS THE NATION. FOUNDATION AND BOOSTER SUPPORT AT AN ALL-TIME HIGH, AND THE EFFORT APPEARS TO BE PAYING OFF. BOTH WOMEN’S AND MEN’S BASKETBALL PROGRAMS HAVE ACHIEVED NATIONAL RECOGNITION UNDER COACHES LARRY EUSTACHY AND BILL FENNELLY, BOTH HIRED BY GENE SMITH. AND THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM, UNDER ANOTHER SMITH CHOICE, DAN MCCARNEY APPEARS READY NOW TO TURN THE CORNER AND HAS POSTED TWO CONSECUTIVE VICTORIES OVER THE IN-STATE RIVAL IOWA HAWKEYES. AND THE SUCCESS QUOTIENT IS ALSO EVIDENT IN OTHER SPORTS, BOTH MINOR AND MAJOR, ON THE AMES CAMPUS. WHAT IT ALL MEANS IS THAT IOWA STATE'S 13TH ATHLETIC DIRECTOR WILL HAVE SOME BIG SHOES TO FILL. AND, GENE SMITH, THEY'RE YOUR SHOES. WELCOME TO IOWA PRESS.

Smith: THANK YOU. IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE.

Borg: ACROSS THE TABLE, REPORTERS DAVID YEPSEN OF THE DES MOINES REGISTER AND MIKE GLOVER OF THE ASSOCIATED PRESS.

Glover: MR. SMITH, DEAN HAS JUST TICKED OFF AN IMPRESSIVE LIST OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS AT IOWA STATE. WHY ARE YOU LEAVING?

Smith: WELL, IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR MY WIFE AND I TO GO ON AND FACE A NEW CHALLENGE, NEW OPPORTUNITIES IN MY PROFESSION AND IN HER PROFESSION. I HAD THE CHANCE TO MEET THE PRESIDENT OF ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY, LADDIE COOR, IN CHICAGO PRIOR TO THE ANNOUNCEMENT, AND WE HIT IT OFF. I REALLY LIKED HIS VISION FOR HIGHER EDUCATION, HIS COMMITMENT AND VISION FOR INTERCOLLEGIATE ATHLETICS. WE JUST SHARED A LOT OF PHILOSOPHIES ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. HE MADE A COMMITMENT TO DO EVERYTHING THAT HE COULD TO TRY AND HELP MY WIFE SECURE EMPLOYMENT IN THAT MARKETPLACE. IT JUST SEEMED TO BE THE RIGHT THING FOR ME TO GO AND SHARE SOME TIME WITH ANOTHER LEADER, AND HE'S A GOOD ONE.

Glover: SOME HAVE SUGGESTED THAT YOU'VE TAKEN THE IOWA STATE PROGRAM TO ITS LIMITS, YOU'VE TAKEN IT AS FAR AS IT CAN GO. IS THERE ANYTHING TO THAT?

Smith: NOT REALLY. THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS, I THINK, THAT WE COULD DO AT IOWA STATE IF I WAS STILL THERE. THE NEXT LEADER WILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. IT IS A GREAT PROGRAM AND A GOOD FOUNDATION AT THIS POINT IN TIME. BUT OBVIOUSLY, WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM AND WHAT IT IS GETTING READY TO EXPERIENCE, I BELIEVE, THIS FALL WITH CYCLONE FANS. AND ONCE THAT EXPERIENCE OCCURS, SUSTAINING THAT LEVEL OF SUCCESS IS ALWAYS A CHALLENGE.

Glover: SOME HAVE SUGGESTED THAT THE PROBLEM IS THAT IOWA JUST DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO SUPPORT A REALLY TOP-QUALITY OHIO-STATE-TYPE PROGRAM. WHILE SCHOOLS RECRUIT FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY, THEY HAVE A BASE IN THEIR HOME STATE, AND IOWA IS JUST TOO SMALL TO SUPPORT A MAJOR PROGRAM.

Smith: YEAH, THAT MAKES IT A CHALLENGE. THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO REALLY BE STRATEGIC NATIONALLY, TO RECRUIT STRATEGIC NATIONALLY, TO SECURE FUNDING THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. WE'VE EXPANDED OUR CORPORATE SPONSORSHIP TO NATIONAL SPONSORS. WE'VE EXPANDED OUR RECRUITING BASE TO CALIFORNIA, FLORIDA, TEXAS, FOR A LOT OF OUR SPORTS. SO YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU REALLY HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE THIS MARKET. BUT FIRST AND FOREMOST, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THINGS IN YOUR BACKYARD. THAT'S WHERE MANY OF OUR COACHES HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB, AND DAN MCCARNEY IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT. WE'RE WINNING IN-STATE RECRUITING BATTLES. THAT'S THE WAY YOU ULTIMATELY BUILD PROGRAMS.

Yepsen: CRITICS OF COLLEGE ATHLETICS SAY TOO MUCH ATTENTION IS PAID TO THEM. IT ISN'T JUST IOWA STATE, IT'S ALL OVER. HOW DO YOU ANSWER THOSE PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT TOO MUCH ATTENTION IS PAID TO COLLEGE ATHLETICS TO THE DETRIMENT OF ACADEMICS?

Smith: WELL, I DISAGREE WITH THE LAST STATEMENT. I THINK THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF ATTENTION PAID TO ATHLETICS BECAUSE OF OUR SOCIETY, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE THAT WE HAVE AS HUMANS. WE HAVE AN INTEREST IN COMPETITION. WE HAVE AN INTEREST IN THE ABILITY TO SEE PEOPLE PERFORM IN THE ATHLETIC ARENA. ATHLETICS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY, IN MY VIEW, FOR HIGHER EDUCATION. THERE'S NO OTHER INCUBATOR THAN HIGHER EDUCATION WHERE WE CAN TAKE YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN, 600 OF THEM, AND TEACH THEM UNBELIEVABLE TALENTS AND SKILLS, DISCIPLINE, TEAMWORK, THE ABILITY TO WORK WITH PEOPLE FROM ALL ACROSS THE WORLD. ALL THOSE TYPE OF THINGS ARE SOMETIMES LOST AS AN INDIVIDUAL GOES THROUGH HIGHER EDUCATION, BUT WE CAN DO SOME GREAT THINGS WITH YOUNG WOMEN AND YOUNG MEN. AND ULTIMATELY, WHEN THEY INTERVIEW AT IBM, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T ASK THEM FOR THEIR GPA. THEY ASK THEM SOME THINGS ABOUT THEIR CHARACTER, AND THAT COMES THROUGH SPORT PARTICIPATION IN MANY CASES.

Yepsen: ARE COLLEGE ATHLETES GIVEN AN EASY TIME IN THE CLASSROOM? THE CRITICS ALWAYS SAY, WELL, YOU'VE GOT THESE JOCK COURSES ON CAMPUSES NOW THAT THE UNIVERSITIES HAVE TO ENABLE ATHLETES TO SORT OF FAKE THEIR WAY THROUGH COLLEGE WHILE THEY'RE STILL PLAYING. IS THAT TRUE?

Smith: IN SOME PLACES IT IS.

Yepsen: IS IT TRUE AT IOWA STATE?

Smith: BY NO STRETCH. WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE. WE HAVE A GREAT FACULTY. WE'VE LED THE BIG 12 IN GRADUATION RATES FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS. WE HAVE STUDENT ATHLETES MAJORING IN ENGINEERING. YOU LOOK AT TODD BANDAUER, OUR QUARTERBACK LAST YEAR, WHO RECEIVED A POST GRADUATE SCHOLARSHIP FOR THE NCAA BECAUSE OF HIS ACADEMIC PERFORMANCE AND PAUL SHIRLEY IN MENS BASKETBALL. I CAN GO DOWN THE LIST. OUR STUDENT ATHLETES ARE TAKING QUALITY COURSES AND GETTING A QUALITY EDUCATION. BUT THERE ARE SOME SCHOOLS ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT STILL ARE DOING IT LIKE THEY DID IN THE '60S.

Yepsen: RELATED TO THIS IS THE QUESTION OF HIGH SALARIES PAID TO PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF, PEOPLE LIKE COACHES. HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY THE HIGH SALARIES THAT ARE PAID TO COACHES WHEN ENGLISH TEACHERS DON'T GET NEAR THAT KIND OF MONEY?

Smith: YEAH, IT'S A SKEWED THING, ISN'T IT? IT'S REALLY INTERESTING THAT THE MARKET HAS GONE TO THIS POINT. BUT INTERCOLLEGIATE ATHLETICS IS 100 PERCENT SELF-SUPPORTING AT IOWA STATE UNIVERSITY. THE REASON FOR THAT IS, OBVIOUSLY, FAN SUPPORT, TELEVISION CONTRACTS, BOWL GAMES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. WE GENERATE, DIRECTLY FOR THE INSTITUTION, OVER $6 MILLION A YEAR THROUGH SCHOLARSHIPS THAT WE PAY FOR, THROUGH DONATIONS THAT WE BRING IN AND FLOW BACK THROUGH THE INSTITUTIONAL FOUNDATION. SO WE GENERATE DOLLARS DIRECTLY THROUGH OUR BUDGET TO SUPPORT THE INSTITUTION. AND THERE'S MANY INSTITUTIONS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY, LIKE LSU, PENN STATE, MICHIGAN, WHERE A LOT OF THEIR REVENUE GOES TO SUPPORT THE LIBRARY. SO WE RUN A LARGE, MULTIMILLION-DOLLAR BUSINESS. THAT'S REALITY.

Glover: ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS CRITICS SOMETIMES SAY IS THAT YOU DO RAISE A LOT OF MONEY FROM ATHLETIC BOOSTERS -- BOOSTERS OR BIG FANS WHO ARE SUPPORTERS OF ATHLETIC PROGRAMS AT ALL THE UNIVERSITIES. SOME CRITICS SAY THAT ATHLETIC DEPARTMENTS ARE MORE ATTUNED TO WHAT THE BOOSTERS WANT THAN WHAT THE SCHOOL WANTS. HOW DO YOU BALANCE THAT?

Smith: I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME SCHOOLS ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT ARE THAT WAY, BUT YOU NEED A GOOD PRESIDENT. IOWA IS FORTUNATE; I HAD MARTIN JISCHKE WHO IS A STRONG PRESIDENT, AND WE SHARE THE SAME PHILOSOPHIES AND WE WERE NOT INTERESTED IN BEING BOUGHT. REALITY IS WE KEPT THE MISSION OF EDUCATION, AND WE WERE STRONG WITH THAT. WE NEVER ENCOUNTERED, DURING MY TENURE AT IOWA STATE, ANY BOOSTER OR ANY SUPPORTER THAT TRIED TO LEVERAGE THEIR GIFT TO HELP US DECIDE A DIFFERENT DECISION ON AN ISSUE. I NEVER ENCOUNTERED THAT HERE. THAT SPEAKS WELL FOR IOWA.

Glover: GOING BACK TO AN EARLIER QUESTION, DID HIS LEAVING HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOUR LEAVING?

Smith: NO, NO, NO. IT WAS JUST TIME FOR MY WIFE AND I. WE'LL MISS HIM THOUGH. HE'S A GREAT, GREAT FRIEND, AND A GREAT LEADER.

Borg: FOLLOWING ON WITH THAT THOUGHT, YOU SAID ONE REASON THAT YOU'RE GOING ARIZONA STATE -- AND YOU PASSED UP, WITHIN THE PAST FEW MONTHS, A MAJOR RUN AT YOU BY DUKE UNIVERSITY. YOU SAID YOU "HIT IT OFF" WITH THE PRESIDENT OF ARIZONA STATE. DID YOU HAVE TO, IN ORDER TO HIT IT OFF, IS THERE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF AUTONOMY THAT YOU INSIST ON FOR YOUR ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT THAT YOU DIRECT? AND THAT GOES BACK TO FACULTY CONTROL, PRESIDENT CONTROL AND SO ON. HOW MUCH AUTONOMY DOES AN ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT HAVE TO HAVE TO BE SUCCESSFUL?

Smith: WELL, IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT PHILOSOPHY -- AND I BELIEVE I DO -- I BELIEVE AN ATHLETIC PROGRAM HAS TO BE TOTALLY INTEGRATED INTO THE INSTITUTION. ITS MISSION NEEDS TO SUPPORT THE MISSION OF THE INSTITUTION. WHEN YOU IMPLEMENT THAT PHILOSOPHY, THE AUTONOMY THAT I NEED IS TO PROVIDE THE LEADERSHIP AND THE MANAGEMENT OF THAT UNIT, OF THE ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT: THE ABILITY TO HIRE PEOPLE, FIRE PEOPLE, RUN THE BUDGET WITHOUT BEING MICROMANAGED, UNDERSTANDING THAT I'M GOING TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. THAT'S WHERE LADDIE COOR AND I HIT IT OFF REAL WELL. I WOULD SAY MY TRACK RECORD IS TO INTEGRATE THE DEPARTMENT INTO THE INSTITUTION AND RUN THE PROGRAM WITH THE MISSION OF THE INSTITUTION IN MIND.

Borg: THAT'S KIND OF A TIGHT ROPE, ISN'T IT? AT MOST UNIVERSITIES YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT AUTONOMY WITHOUT OFFENDING THE ACADEMIC SIDE.

Smith: THAT'S RIGHT AND THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT. ATHLETICS WILL NEVER BE AN ACADEMIC UNIT, BUT WE NEED TO BE RESPECTED AS AN EDUCATIONAL UNIT. THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GAIN THAT RESPECT IS TO, ONE, OPEN YOUR YOURSELF UP, INTEGRATE YOURSELF INTO ALL THE OTHER ACADEMIC UNITS ON CAMPUS AND DEMONSTRATE THAT YOU'RE ABOUT THE BUSINESS OF EDUCATION. WE BUILD GREAT CHARACTER IN PEOPLE. WE PUT PEOPLE IN POSITIONS WHERE THEY ULTIMATELY CAN BE LEADERS IN TOMORROW'S COMPLEX SOCIETY. WHEN THEY GO OUT INTO THE WORLD TOMORROW AND THEY FACE CHALLENGES, THEY CAN DIG DOWN DEEP, DEEP, DEEP, BASED UPON THEIR ATHLETIC EXPERIENCES AND OVERCOME ADVERSITY. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T GET THAT OPPORTUNITY WHEN THEY'RE YOUNG TO FACE ADVERSITY AND WINS AND LOSSES WITH THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WATCHING THEM PERFORM. THAT'S TREMENDOUS PRESSURE ON A YOUNG PERSON. BUT THEY'VE EXPERIENCED IT EARLY IN LIFE AND, ULTIMATELY, WHEN THEY'RE OLDER IN LIFE, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO OVERCOME A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT IN OUR FACULTY ENVIRONMENT WHEN WE DO IT THE RIGHT WAY.

Glover: LET'S GET BACK TO ANOTHER LARGER QUESTION. IF YOU LOOK AT THE VARIOUS MAJOR SPORTS -- BASEBALL... IF I GRADUATE FROM HIGH SCHOOL AND I WANT TO BE A PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL PLAYER, I HEAD OFF TO THE MINOR LEAGUES AND PREPARE MYSELF TO BE A BASEBALL PLAYER. IF I'M A BASKETBALL PLAYER OR A FOOTBALL PLAYER, I DON'T DO THAT. I GO TO COLLEGE, I PRETEND I'M A STUDENT, WHEN I'M REALLY JUST PREPARING TO BE A PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE. WHY DON'T THE MAJOR BASKETBALL AND FOOTBALL LEAGUES JUST GO TO THE FARM SYSTEM AND GET RID OF THIS CHARADE OF HAVING THIS NCAA RUN A FARM SYSTEM FOR THEM?

Smith: I DON'T THINK IT'S A TOTAL CHARADE. WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND, THERE'S ONLY 1 PERCENT OF ALL THOSE STUDENT ATHLETES THAT GO ON TO PRO. SO IF YOU HAVE 110 FOOTBALL PLAYERS ON OUR FOOTBALL TEAM, THAT MEANS ONLY THREE OR FOUR OF THOSE YOUNG MEN ARE GOING TO BE GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO PRO.

Glover: HOW MANY OF THEM THINK THEY'RE GOING PRO?

Smith: PROBABLY 50 PERCENT OF THEM. THAT'S OUR CHALLENGE TO HELP THEM UNDERSTAND THAT ULTIMATELY THE EDUCATION THAT THEY'RE RECEIVING IN THE CLASSROOM IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THAT PARTICULAR DREAM AND THAT DREAM IS GOING TO GO AWAY BY THE TIME THEY'RE SENIORS. IT'S GOING TO HIT THEM. REALITY IS GOING TO SIT IN: "I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE IT." SOMEWHERE IN THIS JUNIOR YEAR TYPICALLY IS WHEN IT HITS THEM... TIME TO FOCUS. BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A PLACE FOR THE NBA AND THE NFL TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF SYSTEM FOR THOSE YOUNG MEN AND, ACTUALLY, THE WNBA FOR THOSE YOUNG WOMEN WHO ULTIMATELY ARE NOT COMMITTED TO THE ACADEMIC MISSION AND REALLY HAVE NO INTEREST IN GETTING A DEGREE. MANY OF THOSE KIDS ARE LOST. THEY ULTIMATELY GET LOST. AND I BELIEVE THERE NEEDS TO BE A PLACE FOR THEM WHERE THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO GROW AND GO ON AND CHASE THAT DREAM, BECAUSE MANY OF THEM DON'T CARE ABOUT ACADEMICS.

Glover: IN THAT STRUCTURE, WOULD THERE BE SERVICES BUILT IN FOR INNER-CITY KIDS TO TRY TO HELP THEM MATURE OUTSIDE OF A TYPICAL ACADEMIC SETTING?

Smith: THAT'S WHAT YOU'D HOPE BUT REALITY IS IT'S ABOUT DOLLARS. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE LOOKED AT THAT. THE NBA, THE NFL, THEY'VE LOOKED AT THOSE TYPE OF STRUCTURES BEFORE. ISAIAH THOMAS JUST BOUGHT CBA AND THEN HE RESOLD IT. WELL, HIS ORIGINAL IDEA WAS EXACTLY THAT. THE CBA WAS GOING TO TRANSFORM INTO THIS FARM SYSTEM FOR THE NBA. BUT ONCE YOU GET INTO IT AND YOU START ADDING ON THE SERVICES THAT YOU NEED TO DEVELOP THE CHARACTER OF THOSE PEOPLE, IT DOESN'T MAKE FINANCIAL SENSE. SO I THINK THAT'S WHY WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE THE NCAA, COLLEGE ATHLETICS, FOR THOSE PARTICULAR SPORTS WILL ALWAYS BE BASICALLY A FARM SYSTEM. AND KEEP IN MIND, IT'S ONLY A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THOSE YOUNG WOMEN AND MEN THAT WE ULTIMATELY LOSE BECAUSE THEY NEVER MAKE THAT TRANSITION.

Glover: PRETTY SWEET DEAL FOR THE NBA.

Smith: GREAT DEAL. GREAT DEAL. THAT'S WHY THEY OUGHT TO DONATE BACK TO THE COLLEGES AND SUPPORT US FINANCIALLY.

Yepsen: MR. SMITH, WHAT ADVICE DO YOU HAVE FOR YOUR SUCCESSOR? YOU HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL TENURE AT IOWA STATE. WHAT'S LEFT UNDONE? WHAT LIST OF THINGS TO DO, DO YOU HAVE HAND OFF TO WHOEVER SUCCEEDS YOU?

Smith: WELL, I THINK FIRST AND FOREMOST, THAT INDIVIDUAL REALLY NEEDS TO GET TO KNOW THE PEOPLE INSIDE THE ATHLETIC PROGRAM, UNDERSTAND THEIR ROLES, THEIR FUNCTIONS, AND WHAT THEY'RE ALL ABOUT AND -- EXCUSE ME. I THINK HE OR SHE WILL FIND THAT THEY'RE GREAT PEOPLE AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO RUN THAT DEPARTMENT EXTREMELY WELL. SECONDLY, MAINTAIN THE MISSION. DON'T LOSE ANY SIGHTS WITH THE MISSION. WE ARE ABOUT THE BUSINESS OF HELPING YOUNG WOMEN AND YOUNG MEN GROW AS PEOPLE. SUPPORT THE MISSION OF THE INSTITUTION. FROM THERE, SOME QUANTIFIABLE ISSUES: OUR SOUTH END ZONE STADIUM PROJECT WHERE WE WANT TO ADD -- IT'S REALLY ADDING 2,000 SEATS, BUT COMPLETE THE SOUTH END ZONE PROJECT; HELP THE BUDGET GROW; REACH OUT NATIONALLY, CONTINUE THE FIND NATIONAL CORPORATE SPONSORS, NATIONAL DONORS BECAUSE, AS WE SAID EARLIER, THIS BASE OF SUPPORT, THE NUMBERS AREN'T AS BIG AS WE WOULD LIKE IT TO BE.

Yepsen: I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T ASK YOU THIS QUESTION EVERY IOWA STATE FAN WANTS TO KNOW. WHAT KIND OF A FOOTBALL SEASON ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE?

Smith: OH, MY GOODNESS. HERE OR AT ARIZONA STATE? [ LAUGHTER ] THAT WAS THE HARDEST PART FOR MY WIFE AND I WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE DECISION-MAKING THE PROCESS. YOU WORK SO HARD TO GET TO A POINT TO BUILD A PROGRAM, AND YOU'RE GOING TO WALK AWAY FROM IT WHEN YOU ULTIMATELY ARE GOING TO EXPERIENCE WHAT YOU'VE BEEN WORKING SO HARD TO EXPERIENCE. IT'S GOING TO BE A BREAK-OUT YEAR FOR CYCLONE FOOTBALL. THERE'S NO QUESTION IN MY MIND. I COULD GO OVER THE REASONS WHY BUT--

Yepsen: THE MOST IMPORTANT GAME IS THE IOWA/IOWA STATE GAME. AS A UNIVERSITY OF IOWA GRAD, I MIGHT NOT WANT TO HEAR THIS ANSWER. ARE YOU GOING TO BEAT IOWA?

Smith: I ANTICIPATE WHEN WE PLAY NEBRASKA ON OCTOBER 7, WE'LL BE 4-0. THAT MEANS WE'LL BEAT IOWA. [ LAUGHTER ]

Borg: AS IOWA STATE LOOKS FOR YOUR SUCCESSOR, IN BUILDING OFF THIS QUESTION OF WHAT THEY SHOULD LOOK FOR, IS IT A GOOD IDEA TO SEPARATE THE WOMEN’S AND THE MEN’S ATHLETIC PROGRAMS? OTHER UNIVERSITIES IN IOWA CITY HAVE A WOMEN’S ATHLETIC DIRECTOR AND A MEN’S. IS THAT A GOOD IDEA?

Smith: I'VE NEVER BEEN A PROPONENT OF THAT. I BELIEVE THAT IN ORDER TO BUILD A TEAM -- I BELIEVE AN ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT IS A TEAM -- YOU DON'T CREATE THOSE TYPE OF FRAGMENTS IN THE ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE. OUR WOMEN’S BASKETBALL COACH AND MEN’S BASKETBALL COACH, WOMEN’S GOLF COACH AND MEN’S GOLF COACH, THEY ALL DO SO MANY THINGS IN A SIMILAR WAY. I BELIEVE YOU HAVE TO CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE YOU HAVE COHESION, YOU HAVE PEOPLE WORKING TOGETHER. WHEN YOU SPLIT THE DEPARTMENTS, YOU AUTOMATICALLY FRAGMENT IT. SO I'M A STRONG BELIEVER THAT DEPARTMENTS SHOULD BE UNIFIED UNDER ONE LEADER. MY PHILOSOPHY AS A LEADER CAN PERMEATE THROUGHOUT THAT DEPARTMENT. SO I'VE BEEN A STRONG BELIEVER IN THAT, AND I KNOW THERE'S FOUR OR FIVE SCHOOLS LEFT ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE SPLIT DEPARTMENTS, AND IT'S ALWAYS A CHALLENGE FOR THEM. I BELIEVE TEXAS AND TENNESSEE ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT DO NOT HAVE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER WITH FRAGMENTATION IN THE ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE.

Glover: THE BIG PICTURE, ONCE AGAIN, KICK BACK FOR A SECOND: AS YOU PACK YOUR DESK ON YOUR LAST DAY, TAKE THE LAST PICTURE OFF THE WALL AND THE LAST COFFEE MUG IN THE BOX TO GO DOWN TO ARIZONA, LOOKING BACK AT YOUR TENURE HERE, WHAT'S THE BIGGEST AND BEST THING YOU THINK YOU'VE ACCOMPLISHED?

Smith: I THINK PROBABLY, FOR ME, JUST THE CULTURE AND THE ATTITUDE IN OUR DEPARTMENT AND ON OUR CAMPUS ABOUT ATHLETICS. WHEN I CAME HERE, ATHLETICS WAS OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CAMPUS AND OPERATED BY ITSELF. IT MADE DECISIONS BY ITSELF. I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT THE ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT TOTALLY INTEGRATE ITSELF IN EVERY SINGLE FASHION IT CAN, BUILD BRIDGES TO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS ON CAMPUS. AND I THINK THAT WILL BE SUSTAINED THERE. I THINK FACULTY RESPECT WHAT WE DO. I THINK THEY UNDERSTAND WE DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. WHEN I LOOK BACK AT IT, WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, ALL OF OUR COACHES AND ADMINISTRATORS UNDERSTAND THAT. I DON'T THINK WE'LL EVER LOSE THAT.

Yepsen: I'M TOLD THAT IOWA STATE'S ATHLETIC BUDGET IS ONE -- IS RELATIVELY SMALL. DO YOU HAVE -- DOES IOWA STATE HAVE THE MONEY IT NEEDS TO RUN A TOP PROGRAM? WILL YOUR SUCCESSOR HAVE TO DO MORE?

Smith: AT THIS POINT IN TIME, NO, IT DOES NOT HAVE THE DOLLARS THAT IT NEEDS. WITH TODAY'S SPORTS AND TODAY'S EXPENDITURES, WE NEED TO BE ABOUT $25, $26 MILLION, AND WE'RE ABOUT A $20 MILLION. THAT IS THE SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGE THAT MY SUCCESSOR WILL HAVE TO FACE. HE OR SHE WILL REALLY HAVE TO DO ALL THEY CAN TO INCREASE THAT REVENUE STREAM. WE'VE MAXIMIZED ALMOST EVERY SINGLE LINE ITEM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF FOOTBALL TICKET SALES, TO A POINT WHERE I DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE BEYOND FOOTBALL TICKET SALES AND CORPORATE SPONSORSHIPS AND NATIONAL DONATIONS THAT WE COULD GO TO INCREASE OUR REVENUE STREAM.

Borg: HOW DO YOU ANSWER THOSE CRITICS, THEN, AS YOU SEEK TO RAISE EVERY DOLLAR YOU POSSIBLY CAN, WHO SAY TICKET PRICE ON A TICKET DOESN'T REALLY DETERMINE IF YOU GET A TICKET AND WHERE YOU SIT IN THE STADIUM, YOU'VE GOT TO GIVE EXTRA MONEY IN ORDER TO GET A GOOD SEAT?

Smith: WELL, THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES I'VE ALWAYS FACED HERE WAS A GOOD SEAT. YOU SIT IN JACK TRICE STADIUM, AND I CAN'T FIND A BAD SEAT. EVERY SINGLE SEAT IN THAT PLACE IS A GREAT SEAT, BUT IT'S ALL PSYCHOLOGICAL. IT'S INTERESTING; I FOUND HERE IN HILTON COLISEUM, YOU COULD BE ON MID-COURT SEAT, IN THE BALCONY, SECOND ROW, AND JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT DOWN IN THE PARQUET, YOU THINK YOU'RE IN A BAD SEAT. I STRUGGLE WITH THAT. YOU CAN SEE THE GAME PERFECTLY FROM ANY OF THOSE SEATS. YES, THERE'S NO QUESTION THERE'S CERTAIN SEATS IN THE FACILITY WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE DONATIONS IN ORDER TO GET THOSE SEATS, AND, YES, THEY ARE THE BEST SEATS IN THE HOUSE, BUT THE REST OF THE SEATS AREN'T THAT BAD. THEY'RE NOT THAT BAD AT ALL. WE HAVE $7 AND $3 TICKETS IN MEN’S BASKETBALL TO TRY AND OPEN UP THAT MARKET FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY THOSE HIGH PRICES, SO WE'VE DONE SOME OF THAT. FOOTBALL, WE HAVE $11 TICKETS, $9 TICKETS FOR A LOT OF OUR GAMES IN FOOTBALL TO OPEN UP THE MARKET FOR PEOPLE –

Borg: IT MUST BE A QUESTION THAT YOU CONFRONT ALMOST WEEKLY.

Smith: OH, YEAH, YEAH. TO ME IT'S PSYCHOLOGICAL. I KNOW WHEN I GO TO FOOTBALL GAMES AS A FAN, WHICH I HAVEN'T DONE IN A LONG TIME, BUT WHEN I DID AFTER I LEFT COACHING, I DIDN'T WANT TO SIT DOWN LOW, I WANTED TO SIT UP HIGH. THOSE ARE GREAT SEATS TO ME.

Glover: THERE'S ANOTHER GREAT SEAT -- I'M SURE DAVE WILL AGREE WITH THIS -- AND THAT'S AT HOME IN FRONT OF A TV.

Smith: THAT'S A GREAT ONE. THAT'S A HARD ONE TO FIGHT.

Glover: HAVE YOU DONE ALL YOU CAN TO MAXIMIZE TELEVISION REVENUE AT IOWA STATE? ARE THERE WAYS -- SYNDICATION DEALS THAT YOU COULD COOK UP? ARE THERE WAYS TO MAXIMIZE REVENUE THROUGH TV?

Smith: NOT REALLY. WE'RE THERE, WE'RE THERE. THE ONLY THING THAT WE CAN DO IS TO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE ON A PERFORMANCE LEVEL WITH FOOTBALL. DO SOME DIFFERENT SCHEDULING IN MENS BASKETBALL, WHICH LARRY IS WORKING ON, IN A NONCONFERENCE SEASON TO MAKE THOSE GAMES ATTRACTIVE FOR TELEVISION NATIONALLY. BUT OUR LOCAL CYCLONE TELEVISION NETWORK, WE'VE MAXIMIZED OUR OPPORTUNITIES THERE. NOT A WHOLE LOT ELSE WE CAN DO EXCEPT TO CONTINUE TO PERFORM.

Glover: ANOTHER LARGER QUESTION INVOLVING SPORTS AND ROLE-MODEL ISSUES; YOU'VE HAD AN EPISODE UP AT IOWA STATE WITH A COACH THROWING A TEMPER TANTRUM. BOBBY KNIGHT IS MORE OR LESS ON PROBATION BECAUSE OF HIS TEMPER. EVEN TIGER WOODS AT THE U.S. OPEN HAD AN EXPLETIVE ON NATIONAL TELEVISION.

Smith: POOR TIGER.

Glover: WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS SORT OF BEHAVIOR? THIS SORT OF TEMPER TANTRUM IN PUBLIC SEEMS TO BE THE ACCEPTED ORDER OF THE DAY IN ATHLETICS. WE JUST SEEM TO ACCEPT THAT AS THE WAY THINGS OUGHT TO BE.

Smith: WELL, I DON'T THINK IT IS. I REALLY DON'T. I THINK WE'RE PAYING ATTENTION TO IT MORE AND WE'RE DEALING WITH IT MORE. I KNOW IN LARRY'S CASE, I DEALT WITH THAT AS SOON AS I GOT BACK. THE NCAA DEALT WITH THAT. HE WENT BEFORE THE NCAA MENS BASKETBALL COMMITTEE AND WAS CHASTISED PRETTY HEAVILY FOR THAT, AND THE PUBLIC REPRIMAND FORCED HIM TO GO THROUGH AN UNBELIEVABLE SELF-ANALYSIS. AND I THINK YOU WON'T SEE THAT FROM LARRY EUSTACHY AGAIN. BUT THERE'S COACHES LIKE BOBBY KNIGHT THAT EARLY ON IN THEIR LIVES DIDN'T HAVE SOMEONE, DIDN'T HAVE PEOPLE THAT PAID ATTENTION TO BOBBY KNIGHT WHEN MAYBE HE WAS 35, 40 YEARS OLD AND FORCED HIM TO GO THROUGH A SELF-ANALYSIS, SO THAT BEHAVIOR CONTINUES ON. AND I KNOW WE'VE DONE THAT FOR LARRY. I KNOW HE'S GONE THROUGH BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION. TIGER WOODS, WHAT HE JUST WENT THROUGH FROM THE MEDIA PERSPECTIVE, I KNOW THAT HE'S LOOKED IN THE MIRROR AND HE'S SEEN HIMSELF IN THE EYES. AND I KNOW THAT HE WILL SAY SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY NEXT TIME HE'S IN THAT SITUATION. BUT ATHLETICS IS A HIGHLY COMPETITIVE DEAL, AND THE PRESSURE MOUNTS AND YOU'RE GOING TO SAY SOME THINGS THAT YOU WISH YOU HADN'T HAVE SAID.

Glover: HOW WOULD YOU HAVE HANDLED BOBBY KNIGHT?

Smith: AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME?

Glover: MM-HMM.

Smith: BOBBY KNIGHT WOULD NOT BE COACHING FOR ME, AND I PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE THE A.D. AT INDIANA UNIVERSITY EITHER.

[LAUGHTER ]

Smith: SO THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN.

Yepsen: MR. SMITH, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT A SENSITIVE ISSUE IN OUR STATE AND OUR SOCIETY, AND THAT'S THE ISSUE OF RACE. WHEN GEORGE RAVELLING LEFT THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA, ONE OF THE THINGS HE SAID WAS THAT THIS WASN'T THE GREATEST CULTURAL -- IOWA WAS NOT THE GREATEST CULTURAL ENVIRONMENT FOR A BLACK PERSON. IS THAT PART OF YOUR REASON FOR LEAVING IOWA?

Smith: NO. I DIDN'T FIND THAT TO BE AN ISSUE FOR ME AT ALL IN THIS STATE.

Yepsen: WHAT ABOUT THE LARGER ENVIRONMENT HERE IN IOWA? IS IOWA AN HOSPITABLE PLACE FOR PEOPLE OF COLOR?

Smith: OH, GOD, PEOPLE ARE JUST GENUINELY KIND HERE. I NEVER ENCOUNTERED -- I ENCOUNTERED MORE RACISM IN CLEVELAND AND DETROIT THAN I ENCOUNTERED IN IOWA. THE PEOPLE ARE JUST GENUINELY KIND HERE, AND I MEAN THAT IN THE MOST SINCERE WAY. I BELIEVE IOWANS WANT TO SEE PEOPLE WORK HARD, OPERATE WITH INTEGRITY. DO ALL THE RIGHT THINGS, AND ULTIMATELY THEY RESPECT YOU. BUT, YES, BEING AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN, YOU MISS SEEING OTHER AFRICAN-AMERICANS. AND FOR ME, I'M A PROFESSIONAL, MY REALITY IS I'LL GET ON A PLANE EVERY NOW AND THEN AND I'LL GO TO THE CITY IF I NEED THAT. SO I NEVER FELT ANY RACISM.

Yepsen: IS THERE SOMETHING YOU THINK WE CAN DO HERE IN THIS STATE TO IMPROVE THE RACIAL CLIMATE? I KNOW YOU THINK IT'S GOOD AND SO FORTH AND YOU HAVEN'T HAD A PROBLEM HERE, BUT THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO THINK WE NEED TO DO MORE, SOMETHING MORE, TO MAKE THIS A MORE APPEALING STATE. WRITE ME A PRESCRIPTION. WHAT SHOULD WE DO?

Smith: I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT; I'LL USE MY LAST EXAMPLE. JAMES ELMORE IS A FOOTBALL PLAYER WHO JUST GRADUATED, AND HE WAS APPLYING TO BUSINESS COLLEGES ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO GET HIS MBA. I CREATED A GRADUATE ASSISTANTSHIP TO RETAIN HIM. I'VE DONE THAT ALMOST EVERY SINGLE YEAR. I THINK IOWA NEEDS TO HAVE A MAJOR FOCUS ON RETAINING YOUNG AFRICAN-AMERICANS WHO GO THROUGH HIGHER EDUCATION HERE, CREATE JOBS FOR THEM, KEEP THEM HERE, HELP THEM HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO GRADUATE SCHOOL. YOU HAVE TO BUILD A PACKAGE BECAUSE MANY OF THEM ARE GOING TO GO BACK HOME. IF THEY'RE FROM NORTH CAROLINA AND THEY WANT TO GET AN MBA, THEY'RE GOING TO GO BACK HOME. CREATE A PACKAGE FOR THEM HERE FINANCIALLY. YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE FINANCIAL COMMITMENT TO DO THAT, AND THEY ULTIMATELY WILL BECOME COMFORTABLE HERE. THERE'S MANY OF THEM -- I WISH MY WIFE WAS HERE. THERE'S MANY OF THEM WHO GRADUATED FROM OUR PROGRAM WHO ARE WORKING HERE.

Borg: ARE YOU SUGGESTING AN IN-STATE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION PROGRAM?

Smith: THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A LITTLE STRONG, BECAUSE I THINK THE EDUCATIONAL PIECE HAS TO TIE. MY JAMES ELMORE EXAMPLE IS HE WAS INTERESTED IN GETTING HIS MBA. NOW, ULTIMATELY, WHEN HE GETS HIS MBA HERE, IF THINGS ARE RIGHT, THEN WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO HELP HIM FIND A JOB HERE. I'M NOT SAYING TARGET A JOB; I'M NOT SAYING SOMEONE HOLD A JOB. I'M SAYING IF HE'S COMFORTABLE ENOUGH TO STAY HERE FOR, BASICALLY, IT WOULD BE SEVEN YEARS THAT HE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THIS ENVIRONMENT, FIVE YEARS GETTING HIS BACHELOR’S AND PLAYING FOOTBALL, AND ANOTHER TWO YEARS GETTING HIS MBA, HE SHOULD BE COMFORTABLE LIVING IN IOWA AFTER THAT POINT IN TIME. KEEP HIM HERE.

Borg: I WANT TO ASK YOU ANOTHER THING ABOUT HOME-TOWN TALENT OR HOME-STATE TALENT. YOU SAID EARLIER YOU HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THINGS IN YOUR OWN BACKYARD.

Smith: RIGHT.

Borg: WE'VE LOST -- OR AT LEAST IOWA LOST BASKETBALL PLAYERS LA FRENTZ, COLLISON, AND A YOUNG MAN FROM SIOUX CITY, ALL TO THE UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS. WHY DID THAT HAPPEN AND WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO, OR HAS IT BEEN DONE, TO RETAIN INSTATE TALENT?

Smith: I THINK IN THAT CASE WE WERE GOING THROUGH A TRANSITION AT IOWA STATE WITH TIM FLOYD, SO THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF UNCERTAINTY WHEN NICK CAME OUT ABOUT WHO WAS GOING TO BE THE COACH. I THINK FOR TWO YEARS PRIOR TO TIM LEAVING, EVERYONE FELT HE WAS GOING TO CHICAGO AND IT WAS A MATTER OF TIME. AND THAT YOUNG MAN KNEW IT. SO THE REALITY IS WE COULDN'T HOLD ON TO HIM AND NEITHER COULD IOWA BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING THROUGH THE TOM DAVIS SITUATION. I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO CONTINUE -- THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA, IOWA STATE UNIVERSITY HAVE TO CONTINUE TO WORK REAL HARD TO DO EVERYTHING THE RIGHT WAY. AND ACADEMICALLY, ATHLETICALLY, WE'LL WIN MORE OF THOSE BATTLES THAN WE LOSE. WE'RE GOING TO LOSE SOME. SOME ARE GOING TO GO, BUT YOU'LL WIN MORE THAN YOU LOSE. JUST DO IT THE RIGHT WAY.

Glover: YOU SAY THAT MANY TIMES WHEN, LET'S SAY, AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN YOUNG MAN OR WOMAN COMES TO IOWA, SPENDS SOME TIME HERE, THEY BECOME ACCUSTOMED TO THE STATE, COMFORTABLE LIVING HERE, AND HAVE A GOOD ENVIRONMENT. IS IT, IN FACT, A RECRUITING HURDLE YOU HAVE TO GET OVER TO CONVINCE AN URBAN AFRICAN-AMERICAN ATHLETE THAT IOWA -- LILY-WHITE IOWA IS A PLACE THEY WANT TO MOVE TO? DO YOU HAVE A HURDLE TO GET OVER?

Smith: WE HAVEN'T FACED THAT IN OUR RECRUITING PROCESS, AND THAT MAY BE BECAUSE I WAS THE ATHLETIC DIRECTOR AND I WAS AFRICAN-AMERICAN. BUT WE NEVER FACED THAT AS A REAL CHALLENGE AT IOWA STATE IN OUR RECRUITING BATTLES BECAUSE, BASICALLY, THE TYPE OF PEOPLE WE RECRUITED. WE RECRUITED YOUNG WOMEN AND MEN WHO REALLY WERE INTERESTED IN GETTING AN EDUCATION, INTERESTED IN PERFORMING ATHLETICALLY, AND THEY WERE LOOKING FOR THE RIGHT SETTING FOR THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS OF THEIR LIVES, KNOWING THAT THEY PROBABLY WOULD EVENTUALLY LEAVE. OUR JOB WAS FOR THOSE THAT WE COULD ENTICE TO STAY LONGER, WE WANTED THEM TO STAY. I MUST HAVE SIX OR SEVEN OF THEM WORKING AT IOWA STATE RIGHT NOW.

Glover: DO YOU HAVE ANY FORMAL ARRANGEMENT OR STRUCTURE WITH THE CITY OF AMES OR AT IOWA STATE UNIVERSITY TO HELP FOLKS COMING IN TO MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT TO LIFE IN IOWA AND TO LIFE AT IOWA STATE, OR IS IT JUST THE INFORMAL SAFETY NET OF THE STAFF?

Smith: THAT'S WHAT WE DO INTERNALLY. THAT'S WHAT WITH WE DO INTERNALLY. WE HAVE GREAT RETENTION RATES IN ATHLETICS BECAUSE WE HAVE GREAT COACHES WHO CAN COUNSEL YOUNG WOMEN AND MEN. WE KNOW AT 11.30 AT NIGHT WHEN THEY'RE FRESHMEN, THEY'RE GOING TO BE CRYING BECAUSE THEY MISS HOME. WE CAN TELL THE NEXT DAY WHAT TYPE OF NIGHT THEY HAD THE NIGHT BEFORE, SO OUR COACHES CAN FOCUS ON THAT. PLUS, WE HAVE AN ACADEMIC SUPPORT STRUCTURE IN THE ATHLETIC PROGRAM TO HELP THEM THROUGH THEIR CHALLENGES.

Borg: ONE QUICK QUESTION: HAVE YOU MADE ANY RECOMMENDATION ON YOUR SUCCESSOR?

Smith: NO, I'M GOING TO STAY AWAY FROM THAT. I'M GOING TO STAY AWAY FROM THAT.

Borg: THANK YOU, MR. SMITH, FOR BEING WITH US TODAY.

Smith: THANK YOU.

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