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Iowa Press #2750 - Kayne Robinson
August 13, 2000

Borg: THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION IS OVER, AND THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION IS ABOUT TO CONVENE. AND THE POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS WILL BE INTENSIFYING TO WHITE HOT. WE'LL GET ASSESSMENTS FROM THE CHAIRMAN OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OF IOWA, KAYNE ROBINSON, ON THIS EDITION OF IOWA PRESS.

FUNDING FOR IOWA PRESS WAS PROVIDED BY FRIENDS OF IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION. AND BY THE IOWA BANKERS ASSOCIATION... FOR PERSONAL, BUSINESS, AND COMMERCIAL NEEDS, IOWA BANKS HELP IOWANS REACH THEIR FINANCIAL GOALS.

THIS IS THE SUNDAY, AUGUST 13th EDITION OF IOWA PRESS. HERE IS DEAN BORG.

Borg: THE NATIONAL POLITICAL SPOTLIGHT IS DIRECTLY FOCUSED ON THE CAMPAIGN FOR THE KEYS TO 1600 PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE, WASHINGTON D.C. BUT IN IOWA, OUR ATTENTION IS DIVIDED BETWEEN THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE AND MORE LOCAL CAMPAIGNS. AS IS THE CASE EVERY TWO YEARS, ALL FIVE OF IOWA'S SEATS IN THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ARE ON THE BALLOT, AND THE COMPOSITION OF THE IOWA LEGISLATURE WILL ALSO BE DETERMINED. IOWA REPUBLICANS THERE ARE SEEKING TO HOLD MAJORITY STATUS IN BOTH THE SENATE AND THE IOWA HOUSE. JOINING US TODAY TO PREVIEW WHAT'S TO COME IS KAYNE ROBINSON, THE CHAIR OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OF IOWA. MR. ROBINSON, WELCOME BACK TO IOWA PRESS.

Robinson: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

Borg: WE'RE GOING TO BE INTERESTED IN YOUR ASSESSMENTS HERE TODAY. YOU'LL BE QUESTIONED BY DAVID YEPSEN OF THE DES MOINES REGISTER AND KATHIE OBRADOVICH OF THE LEE NEWSPAPERS.

Obradovich: MR. ROBINSON, AS YOU KNOW, IOWA IS CONSIDERED A PIVOTAL STATE IN THE PIVOTAL MIDWEST FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN. AND IOWA IS ALSO A STATE THAT'S GONE TO THE DEMOCRATS IN THE LAST THREE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO WIN IOWA FOR GEORGE W. BUSH THIS TIME AROUND?

Robinson: WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A VERY, VERY INTENSE VOTER I.D. AND TURNOUT PROGRAM. THE POLLING HERE THAT WE'VE SEEN NOW SHOWS THE TWO IN A NECK-AND-NECK RACE, WHICH WE REGARD AS VERY GOOD. IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE WERE A LOT FURTHER AHEAD, BUT TO BE NECK AND NECK HERE RIGHT NOW WE THINK IS VERY GOOD. WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER A TREMENDOUS COUNTY-BASED I.D. AND TURNOUT PROGRAM. BUSH IS VERY, VERY POPULAR IN THE STATE. OUR PEOPLE ARE SO ENERGIZED AND EXCITED ABOUT GEORGE BUSH, MORE SO THAN ANY CANDIDATE THAN I CAN REMEMBER FOR YEARS AND YEARS.

Obradovich: HE'S HAD A DOUBLE-DIGIT LEAD OVER GORE IN SOME NATIONAL POLLS. WHY IS IT SO CLOSE HERE IN IOWA?

Robinson: WELL, IOWA, AS YOU MENTIONED, HAS VOTED FOR DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES IN THE PAST A FEW TIMES, AND SO BEING EQUAL NOW JUST BEFORE THE CAMPAIGN STARTS AND HAVING REPUBLICANS SO ENERGIZED WITH MANY INDEPENDENTS ABOUT BUSH, WE THINK HIS IS POSITIONING IS VERY, VERY WELL.

Obradovich: WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE BIG ISSUES IN THE RACE?

Robinson: ALL THE GREAT NATIONAL ISSUES. IOWA ISN'T VERY PAROCHIAL ABOUT HOW IT LOOKS AT NATIONAL CANDIDATES. I THINK BUSH'S PROGRAM WITH REGARD TO SOCIAL SECURITY, DEFENSE, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE HEARING ABOUT, WE THINK IS GOING TO FIT IOWA VERY, VERY NICELY.

Yepsen: MR. ROBINSON, WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO AL GORE'S SELECTION OF JOE LIEBERMAN?

Robinson: LIEBERMAN IS A FINE, HONORABLE GUY, SO IT WAS A GOOD CHOICE AS FAR AS THE DEMOCRATS ARE CONCERNED. BUT I THINK THE BIGGEST, MOST IMPORTANT THING IS IT'S ANOTHER REINVENTION OF AL GORE. LIEBERMAN IS NOT GORE. LIEBERMAN HAS A FAIRLY CONSERVATIVE VOTING RECORD COMPARED TO THE POSITION GORE HAS TAKEN ON MANY, MANY ISSUES IMPORTANT TO THIS DAY. AND SO HE'S TRYING TO CREATE THE IMPRESSION THAT HE'S SOMETHING HE IS NOT BY PICKING SOMEONE OPPOSITE TO HIM.

Borg: WELL, ONE OF THE BAGGAGE, IF YOU WILL, THAT MR. GORE HAS HAD TO DEAL WITH IS THE SCANDAL -- SCANDAL"S" DURING THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION. IN SELECTING MR. LIEBERMAN, DO YOU THINK HE'S SUFFICIENTLY SEPARATED HIMSELF FROM MR. CLINTON?

Robinson: I THINK THE OPPOSITE THAT HAS HAPPENED IS IT EMPHASIZES THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. WE'RE GOING TO SEE MANY TIMES, BEFORE THE CAMPAIGN IS OVER TAPES OF LIEBERMAN PROPERLY CRITICIZING AND SORT OF SCORCHING THE THE PRESIDENT AND HIS ADMINISTRATION FOR THINGS THAT IT HAD DONE, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO SEE AL GORE STANDING UP SAYING CLINTON WAS THE BEST PRESIDENT THAT WE'VE EVER HAD, AND THOSE THINGS AREN'T GOING TO LOOK VERY NICE SUPERIMPOSED ON ONE ANOTHER.

Obradovich: YOU MENTIONED THAT THE CAMPAIGN HAS JUST STARTED, BUT ALREADY WE'RE SEEING SOME FAIRLY NEGATIVE ADVERTISING ON TV. THE DEMOCRATS KIND OF KICKED THINGS OFF WITH AN ATTACK ON BUSH'S ENVIRONMENTAL RECORD, AND NOW REPUBLICANS HAVE RESPONDED IN KIND. IS THAT WHAT WE CAN EXPECT THROUGHOUT MOST OF THE REST OF THIS CAMPAIGN? IS IT GOING TO BE FAIRLY AGGRESSIVE?

Robinson: I THINK IT WILL BE AGGRESSIVE, BUT YOU'LL HAVE A MIXTURE OF BOTH SIDES, PARTICULARLY THE REPUBLICANS TALKING ABOUT THE THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO DO, THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO TO IMPROVE THINGS. FOR EXAMPLE, SOCIAL SECURITY, HOW WE'LL HAVE A PLAN THAT SOME PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE AMERICAN DREAM AND GET MORE THAN 2 PERCENT INTEREST ON THEIR MONEY. SO WE'RE GOING TO SEE THE POSITIVE EMPHASIZED BUT, CERTAINLY, IN EVERY CAMPAIGN, NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE SAYS, THE TIME COMES WHEN THERE IS SOME NEGATIVE CAMPAIGNING ALSO.

Obradovich: DO YOU THINK IT WILL GET INTO PERSONAL ATTACKS?

Robinson: I HOPE NOT BUT MANY TIMES IT HAPPENS, AND THERE'S NOT MUCH YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. I'D BE A FOOL TO SAY IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

Obradovich: WHAT ABOUT THE IMPACT OF PAT BUCHANAN? HE'S BEEN POPULAR IN IOWA IN THE PAST. I'M SURE YOU'VE BEEN WATCHING THE REFORM PARTY CONVENTION, WHICH HAS BEEN KIND OF A DEBACLE, REALLY.

Robinson: WWF.

[ LAUGHTER ]

Obradovich: WHAT DO YOU THINK HIS IMPACT WILL BE, AND WILL HE TAKE SOME VOTES AWAY FROM BUSH?

Robinson: IT WILL BE ZERO. BUCHANAN WAS A FAIRLY POPULAR FIGURE IN THE STATE FOR SOME TIME, BUT HE SEPARATED HIMSELF FROM HIS OWN BASE BY SOME OF THE BIZARRE THINGS THAT HE'S DONE, WHICH APPARENTLY HAVE TO DO WITH THE $12 MILLION OR $15 MILLION, OR WHATEVER IT IS. SO I THINK HE'S TAKING HIMSELF OUT OF THE ACTION. HE'S NOT GOING TO BE A FACTOR AT ALL. IT BECOMES SORT OF A PATHETIC FIGURE. IT'S SAD.

Yepsen: MR. ROBINSON, YOU MENTIONED THAT IOWANS AREN'T THAT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN PEOPLE IN THE REST OF THE COUNTRY , AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE, EXCEPT ON ONE ISSUE AND THAT'S CALLED ETHANOL. THE DEMOCRATS ARE SUGGESTING THAT THE TICKET OF GEORGE W. BUSH AND SECRETARY CHENEY IS A BIG OIL TICKET AND THAT, ULTIMATELY, ETHANOL WOULD LOSE OUT IN A BUSH/CHENEY ADMINISTRATION. WHAT GUARANTEES DO YOU HAVE THAT IOWA'S LITTLE SPECIAL INTEREST OF THE ETHANOL INDUSTRY IS GOING TO BE PROTECTED IN AN ADMINISTRATION RUN BY A COUPLE OF TEXANS,

Robinson: GEORGE W. BUSH HAS VERY CLOSE TIES TO IOWA. AND OUR ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE TO PEOPLE OF IOWA, OPINION LEADERS, POLITICAL LEADERS OF IOWA, TO BE AT THE TABLE TO REPRESENT OUR POSITION IN A FRIENDLY WAY WITH THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO BE CONSIDERABLE. GEORGE BUSH DID VERY WELL HERE. THEY HAVE TARGETED THE STATE AS AN IMPORTANT STATE, AND IOWA WILL BE VERY, VERY HEAVILY REPRESENTED, THAT IS, OUR OPINIONS WILL BE HEARD IN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.

Obradovich: EXCEPT THAT A LOT OF US WATCHED HIS CONVENTION SPEECH PRETTY CAREFULLY, AND WE DIDN'T HEAR ANY MENTION OF FARMING. HOW CAN YOU TELL FOLKS THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG ISSUE IN HIS ADMINISTRATION?

Robinson: THE BEST WAY I CAN IS THAT I'M GOING TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING IN IOWA AND MANY OF THE FARM STATES. AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A VERY AGGRESSIVE FARM CAMPAIGN, A COMPONENT TO THE CAMPAIGN. AND THE MIDWEST ARE THE BATTLEGROUND STATES. MIDWEST MEANS FARMING, SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A TREMENDOUS CAMPAIGN ACTIVITY HERE, AND ETHANOL WILL BE A PART OF THAT. BUSH IS GOING TO BE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF OUR POSITIONS.

Yepsen: MR. ROBINSON, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE CAUCUSES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO GET ACCOMPLISHED AT THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION WAS TO SECURE THE FUTURE OF THE CAUCUSES. WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO DO, THOUGH -- NOT NECESSARILY YOU, BUT MAYBE YOUR PARTY OR YOUR SUCCESSOR -- WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO DO TO KEEP THESE CAUCUSES FIRST IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS? YOU WANT A BATTLE BUT THE WAR IS NEVER OVER.

Robinson: IT'S LIKE THE DISHES. THE DISHES ARE NEVER DONE, AND I'M AFRAID THAT'S EXACTLY THE FUTURE. WE HAVE A SPECIAL PRIVILEGE, AN HONOR, THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN US, REALLY, BY THE REST OF THE COUNTRY, BY THE OTHER STATES AND BY BOTH PARTIES. THE BEST THING THAT WE CAN DO ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT WE DID: FIRST, TO RUN A VERY CREDIBLE, RESPONSIBLE PROCESS THAT PEOPLE BELIEVE IS FAIR AND THAT DOES ACCURATELY REPRESENT SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO THE PEOPLE OF THE COUNTRY. SECONDLY, WE NEED TO DO OUR HOMEWORK AND KEEP OUR ALLIANCES AND OUR ASSETS IN TUNE AND LINED UP. WE WORKED ON THIS FOR ABOUT A YEAR VERY INTENTLY. SENATOR GRASSLEY HELPED AND OUR NATIONAL COMMITTEEMAN AND NATIONAL COMMITTEEWOMAN, OUR LEGISLATIVE LEADERS, TO MAKE SURE WE WORKED ALL OF OUR NETWORKS AND OUR ASSETS AND ALLIES ON THE NATIONAL COMMITTEE, AND THEN THOSE PEOPLE BECAME DELEGATES. IT WAS A BIG JOB BUT IN THE END WE WON BY ABOUT TWO-THIRDS. WE WON VERY DECISIVELY.

Obradovich: SPEAKING OF ALLIES, NEW HAMPSHIRE HAS ALWAYS BEEN ONE OF IOWA'S STRONGEST ALLIES AS FAR AS BEING THE FIRST PRIMARY STATE, AND IN THE PAST IOWA AND NEW HAMPSHIRE HAVE ALWAYS WORKED TOGETHER. WE DIDN'T SEE THAT AS MUCH THIS CYCLE, IOWA WANTED NEW HAMPSHIRE TO MOVE THEIR DATE BACK AND THERE WAS SOME PROBLEMS THERE WITH SCHEDULING. WAS OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH NEW HAMPSHIRE DAMAGED IN THIS PROCESS?

Robinson: NO, IT'S THE BEST IT'S EVER BEEN. STEVE DUPREY, THE CHAIRMAN UP THERE, AND I ARE VERY CLOSE FRIENDS. TOM RATH, WHO WAS THEIR NATIONAL COMMITTEEMAN, AND OUR PEOPLE HERE ARE VERY CLOSE FRIENDS. WE COORDINATED VERY, VERY CLOSELY WITH THEM. IN FACT, AFTER THE IOWA CAUCUSES WERE OVER, I WENT TO NEW HAMPSHIRE, AND DUPREY AND I WENT TO, PROBABLY, 20 OR 30 PRESS CONFERENCES WHERE WE PROMOTED IOWA AND NEW HAMPSHIRE AS JOINED AT THE HIP. WE THINK THAT HELPED A GREAT DEAL. NOW, THE DEMOCRATS CONTROL THE LEGISLATOR PROCESS THERE, THE GOVERNOR. AND THEY CREATED A MINOR PROBLEM, BUT WE OVERCAME THAT ALSO.

Yepsen: MR. CHAIRMAN, BOTH PARTIES HAVE LEGALLY SAID THAT IOWA CAN BE FIRST. YOUR PARTY DID IN PHILADELPHIA; THE DEMOCRATS WILL IN LOS ANGELES. SO YOU'VE GOT THE LEGAL BATTLE BEHIND YOU, BUT NOW IT FACES THE POLITICAL BATTLE. JOHN MCCAIN ILLUSTRATED THAT YOU CAN, IN FACT, BYPASS IOWA, DO WELL IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, AND MAKE YOURSELF A CREDIBLE NATIONAL POLITICAL FIGURE. WHAT'S TO KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING AGAIN? ONE PARTY IS GOING TO HAVE A CAUCUS FIGHT IN IOWA NOW IN FOUR YEARS, THE PARTY OUT OF POWER. WHAT'S TO SAY THAT THERE WON'T BE ANOTHER JOHN MCCAIN WHO WILL COME ALONG AND SAY, "TO HECK WITH IOWA, I'M GOING TO NEW HAMPSHIRE"?

Robinson: I'M NOT SURE THAT MCCAIN ACTUALLY DID THAT BECAUSE OF WANTING TO IGNORE IOWA. MCCAIN HAD ADOPTED SOME POSITIONS AND DONE SOME THINGS THAT PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE PLAYED VERY WELL HERE, SO HE MADE A RATIONAL DECISION ABOUT WHERE HIS STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES WERE. I THINK THAT MCCAIN FELT HE WASN'T GOING TO DO WELL HERE, AND THAT'S WHY HE DECIDED TO SKIP IOWA. AND THEN YOU OBSERVED THAT HE DIDN'T, IN FACT, GET THE NOMINATION. THE PERSON THAT GOT THE NOMINATION PUT A HUGE AMOUNT OF RESOURCE INTO IOWA AND, ULTIMATELY, SUCCEEDED IN GETTING THE NOMINATION. CERTAINLY THAT ORIGINAL BOOST THAT GEORGE W. BUSH GOT OUT OF IOWA WAS VERY, VERY, USEFUL TO HIM NATIONALLY.

Yepsen: WILL THAT STRENGTHEN IOWA'S POSITION IN FOUR YEARS THAT, NO MATTER WHAT, WE KNOW THAT THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS GOING TO COME OUT OF THE IOWA CAUCUSES?

Robinson: ABSOLUTELY. THE IOWA CAUCUS, AS FAR AS THE REPUBLICANS ARE CONCERNED IS GOING TO COME EIGHT YEARS FROM NOW. BUT WE FEEL THAT WE'LL BE IN A VERY GOOD POSITION BECAUSE THE PERSON THAT BECAME PRESIDENT WON IOWA AND PUT A SIGNIFICANT EFFORT IN HERE, AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD MESSAGE FOR THOSE THAT WILL COME EIGHT YEARS FROM NOW.

Borg: MR. ROBINSON, YOU SAID A FEW MINUTES AGO THAT ONE OF THE REASONS THAT IOWA IS ABLE TO RETAIN THE CAUCUSES IS THAT YOU SAID WE RAN A CREDIBLE, RESPONSIBLE PROCESS. BUT ONE PART OF THAT PROCESS WAS THE STRAW POLL, WHICH WAS CRITICIZED BECAUSE THE CANDIDATES WITH THE BIGGEST BANKROLL WERE ABLE TO BUY VOTES THERE, WHICH WENT INTO YOUR PARTY COFFERS, BUT THAT ALSO BECAME A WINNOWING PROCESS, JUST THE BUYING OF VOTES. ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE THE STRAW POLL A PART OF THE CAMPAIGN IN THE CAUCUSES FOUR YEARS FROM NOW?

Robinson: THE STRAW POLL IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE PROCESS. IT IS LARGELY A FUND-RAISER, BUT IT'S ALSO A WAY THAT THE CANDIDATES CAN SPEAK TO AMERICA, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY TO DO WELL THERE. I'D REMIND YOU THAT IN PREVIOUS CAUCUSES -- OR STRAW POLLS, PAT BUCHANAN IN ONE AND PAT ROBERTSON IN ANOTHER, NEITHER HAD ANY MONEY AT ALL AND THEY DID VERY, VERY WELL IN THE IOWA CAUCUSES. SO IF YOU HAVE A GOOD FOLLOWING AND YOU'VE DEVELOPED A GOOD ON-THE-GROUND ORGANIZATION, YOU CAN DO WELL REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH MONEY YOU HAVE. AND THERE'S CONCRETE EVIDENCE OF THAT.

Yepsen: MR. ROBINSON, YOU WEAR TWO HATS. IN ADDITION TO BEING CHAIRMAN OF THE IOWA REPUBLICAN PARTY, YOU'RE ALSO THE NUMBER TWO MAN IN THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION. A WHILE BACK, YOU WERE CAPTURED ON TAPE SAYING THAT IF GEORGE W. BUSH GETS ELECTED, WE'LL HAVE AN OFFICE IN THE WHITE HOUSE. WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY THAT?

Robinson: THE THING THAT WAS MEANT WAS REAL SIMPLE. THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO TAKE AWAY OUR FIREARMS, WHICH INCLUDES AL GORE AND MANY OF THE ANTI-GUN ORGANIZATIONS, OPERATE OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE EVERY DAY. YOU SEE THEM HOLDING PRESS CONFERENCES LITERALLY IN THE WHITE HOUSE, CONSTANTLY ON TELEVISION. ALL THE LEADERS OF THE ANTI-GUN MOVEMENT AND THE PEOPLE THAT REALLY GENUINELY WANT TO TAKE AWAY THE FIREARMS FROM HONEST LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. THEY HAVE BEEN OPERATING OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE. THEY'VE BEEN GETTING MONEY AND HELP, FINANCIAL HELP, DIRECTLY OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE. AND THE POINT INVOLVES A LOT OF HYPERBOLE, OF COURSE, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO PROTECT THE SECOND AMENDMENT WILL AT LEAST BE ABLE TO HAVE THEIR CASE HEARD WHEN THE REPUBLICANS ARE ELECTED.

Yepsen: DID YOU MAKE A MISTAKE IN THE WAY YOU'VE SAID THAT?

Robinson: WELL, I SUPPOSE YOU COULD ARGUE THAT THE WAY IT WAS SELECTED BY SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T LIKE US AND PUT INTO AN AD MAKES IT LOOK RATHER STRANGE BUT. NEVERTHELESS, POLITICAL EXCHANGES TAKE PLACE, AND THEY WERE GOING TO FIND SOMETHING IN SOMEBODY'S SPEECH TO MAKE THEIR POINT. OUR POINT IS VERY SIMPLE, AND THAT IS THAT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE CLINTON/GORE ADMINISTRATION AND THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BAN FIREARMS IS A VERY, VERY CLOSE IRONCLAD ONE, AND AT LEAST REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION WILL HEAR THE VOICE OF THOSE THAT WANT TO PEACEFULLY OWN FIREARMS.

Obradovich: IT'S BEEN KIND OF UNUSUAL FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S TOUR IN THE STATE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO HAVE SUCH A PROMINENT NATIONAL POSITION IN ANOTHER VENUE. I KNOW THAT YOU WORKED HARD TO TRY TO KEEP THOSE TWO ROLES SEPARATE, BUT IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE SOMETIMES. I'M WONDERING WHETHER YOU THINK THE PARTY HAS SUFFERED AT ALL BY THE FACT THAT YOU'VE HAD YOUR ATTENTION KIND OF DIVIDED BETWEEN THESE TWO THINGS.

Robinson: I THINK WE'VE HAD A TREMENDOUS YEAR. WE WILL HAVE THE BEST FINANCIAL YEAR IN THE HISTORY OF THE PARTY, NOT COUNTING THE STRAW POLL. WHEN YOU COUNT THE STRAW POLL, IT'S EVEN FAR GREATER. WE HAD THE STRAW POLL IN THE CAUCUSES, WHICH I THINK EVERYBODY AGREED WERE VERY SUCCESSFULLY DONE ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE. AND WE JUST HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL NATIONAL CONVENTION WHERE WE HAD TO ACCOMPLISH, WE HAD A MUST-ACCOMPLISH THING, WHICH WAS TO KEEP IOWA FIRST. WE WORKED OUR NETWORKS AND OUR FRIENDS AND OUR ALLIES IN A VERY, VERY EFFECTIVE WAY. BY WORKING THEM, I MEAN WE FORMED A RESPONSIBLE ALLIANCE WITH THEM, AND WE WON VERY BIG. SO I THINK WE'VE HAD AN EXCELLENT YEAR. I'M VERY PROUD OF IT.

Borg: AS I SAID EARLIER, YOUR ATTENTION IS DIVIDED BETWEEN THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE, CONGRESSIONAL RACES, AND ALSO THE LEGISLATIVE RACES. WHAT ARE THE PROSPECTIVES FOR THE G.O.P. HOLDING MAJORITY STATUS IN THE IOWA LEGISLATURE?

Robinson: THEY'RE EXCELLENT.

Borg: WHY DO YOU SAY THAT?

Robinson: THEY'RE EXCELLENT BECAUSE WE HAVE RECRUITED, I BELIEVE, THE BEST CROP OF NEW CANDIDATES THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN. WE HAVE SOME REALLY SUPERB CANDIDATES. REPUBLICANS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE ORGANIZATIONS WORKING FOR THESE CANDIDATES ARE ENERGIZED AND ARE VERY ENTHUSIASTIC. THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES WILL BE THERE, SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO DO VERY WELL. WE HAVE PEOPLE RUNNING EVEN AGAINST DEMOCRAT LEADERS THAT HAVE A SERIOUS CHANCE OF WINNING.

Obradovich: ONE OF THE THINGS YOU DON'T HAVE THIS TIME AROUND, WHICH IS ALSO VERY UNUSUAL FOR REPUBLICANS, IS YOU DON'T HAVE ONE OF YOUR OWN IN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE. I THINK YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN IN PAST CAMPAIGNS, THAT CAN BE A REALLY BIG ASSET FOR FUND-RAISING AND AGENDA SETTING. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO RUNNING AGAINST GOVERNOR VILSACK IN THIS LEGISLATIVE ELECTION?

Robinson: WELL, WE WILL DO THAT BUT THE LEGISLATIVE CAMPAIGNS GENERALLY BOIL DOWN TO WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT, SORT OF, ALL POLITICS IS LOCAL. NOW, IT'S NOT QUITE THAT SIMPLE, OBVIOUSLY, BUT WHEN YOU FINALLY GET DOWN TO A CAMPAIGN, YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE RUNNING FOR AN OFFICE. AND WE'RE GOING TO DO VERY WELL BECAUSE OF THE CROP OF CANDIDATES THAT WE HAVE. THE GOVERNOR HAS MADE SOME MISTAKES. THOSE THINGS WILL BE INCORPORATED IN THE CAMPAIGN. OUR LEGISLATIVE LEADERS ARE PRIMARILY GOING TO BE INVOLVED WITH THEIR CAMPAIGN AND THEIR CAMPAIGN TO DO VERY GOOD THINGS FOR IOWA.

Obradovich: WHAT MISTAKES HAS THE GOVERNOR MADE?

Robinson: I THINK HE IS MAKING A SIGNIFICANT ATTEMPT TO OVEREXTEND THE AUTHORITY OF THE GOVERNORSHIP. THAT PROBABLY WILL BE A MINOR ISSUE IN THE CAMPAIGN. THAT'S ABOUT ALL.

Obradovich: SOME HAVE ARGUED THAT THAT LAWSUIT, THOUGH, MIGHT HURT REPUBLICANS BECAUSE IT SMACKS OF BEING INTOLERANT AGAINST GAYS. DO YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO PLAY TOTALLY ON YOUR SIDE?

Robinson: I DON'T THINK IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH GAYS. I THINK IT HAS TO DO WITH -- THE PRIMARY ISSUE IS THE OVEREXTENSION OF AUTHORITY BY THE GOVERNOR. AND THE SUBJECT MATTER COULD HAVE BEEN ANY OTHER SUBJECT MATTER.

Yepsen: MR. ROBINSON, SOME OF THE DEMOCRATS ARE CRITICIZING YOU FOLKS FOR WRITING A PLATFORM THAT'S TOO EXTREME. AND WE SAW THIS STRANGE SPECTACLE BEFORE THE STATE CONVENTION. YOU HAD LEGISLATIVE LEADERS OF YOUR PARTY, BEFORE THE PLATFORM WAS EVEN ADOPTED, CALLING A PRESS CONFERENCE TO DISTANCE THEMSELVES FROM THAT PLATFORM. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THE CRITICISM THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY PLATFORM IN IOWA IS TOO RIGHT WING, TOO EXTREME, TOO KOOKIE?

Robinson: THE SAME THING WE WOULD HAVE SAID ABOUT MANY DEMOCRAT PLATFORMS, THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT MIGHT NOT LIKE SOME OF THE VERY LIBERAL, BORDERLINE SOCIALIST, THINGS THAT HAD BEEN, IN THE PAST, IN DEMOCRAT PLATFORMS. IN TRUTH, THOUGH, WHAT HAPPENS IS DELEGATES AT THE GRASS-ROOTS LEVEL GET TOGETHER AND THEY PUT THINGS IN A PLATFORM WITHOUT REGARD TO THE CAMPAIGNS. THEY SAY WHAT THEY WANT THERE, AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT. WHEN YOU GET INTO A CAMPAIGN, THE ISSUES THAT ARE OF INTEREST TO THE PUBLIC -- AND THE OFFICES BELONG TO THE PUBLIC. THE ISSUES THAT ARE OF INTEREST TO THE PUBLIC ARE THE ONES THAT ARE REALLY DEBATED. THOSE ARE THE ISSUES THAT ARE DISCUSSED, AND THE CANDIDATES TAKE THEIR POSITIONS ON THOSE ISSUES. SO WHAT IS IN THE PLATFORM DOESN'T NECESSARILY -- IN FACT, RARELY TRANSLATES INTO THE ISSUES IN THE CAMPAIGN.

Yepsen: BUT WHEN DEMOCRATS WERE WRITING PLATFORMS LIKE THAT, THEY WERE ALSO LOSING ELECTIONS, WHICH IS WHY THEY NO LONGER WRITE PLATFORMS LIKE THAT. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU, SIR, IS, WHY DON'T YOU TONE IT DOWN, AND GET A PLATFORM THAT IS IN THE GREAT AMERICAN POLITICAL CENTER?

Robinson: EVERY PARTY LEADER -- EVERY PARTY CHAIR IN THE COUNTRY AND NATIONAL CHAIRMAN, WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO BE ABLE TO WRITE A PLATFORM THAT WOULD ONLY PERTAIN TO THEIR SUCCESS OR FAILURE IN A CAMPAIGN. IN OTHER WORDS, USE IT AS A CAMPAIGN DOCUMENT. THAT DOESN'T GENERALLY HAPPEN AND IT HASN'T GENERALLY HURT ANYONE. OUR PLATFORMS HAVE BEEN AS THEY ARE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, AND WE'VE DONE VERY WELL IN THE LEGISLATURE AND THE GOVERNORSHIPS. WE HAVE A MAJORITY OF THE CONGRESSMEN AND WE HAVE SENATOR GRASSLEY AND OTHER THINGS, SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO DO JUST FINE.

Yepsen: I WANT TO LOOK AHEAD TO 2002. WE'VE GOT A RACE FOR GOVERNOR. YOU FOLKS HAVE TO COME UP WITH A CANDIDATE TO RUN AGAINST TOM VILSACK? WHO HAVE YOU GOT OUT THERE?

Robinson: THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CONGRESSMEN THAT ARE LOOKING AT THE POSITION. WE'LL HAVE A GOOD CROP OF CANDIDATES JUST LIKE WE DO FOR THE LEGISLATURE NOW. WE HAVE TO GET OVER THIS HURDLE HERE OF THE NEXT ELECTION FIRST. BUT I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE TAKING A SERIOUS LOOK AT THE GOVERNORSHIP. I KNOW TOM LATHAM IS PROBABLY TAKING A LOOK AT IT, AND I THINK THERE ARE OTHERS THAT WILL. TOM LATHEM IS ONE THAT'S VERY EXCITING. HE'S VERY MUCH LIKE CHUCK GRASSLEY, SOMEBODY THAT'S JUST LOVED BIT PEOPLE BECAUSE OF HIS INTEGRITY AND THE WAY HE HANDLES HIMSELF PERSONALLY, THE WAY HE CARES ABOUT HIS CONSTITUENTS. HE WOULD BE SOMEBODY TO KEEP YOUR EYE ON, I THINK.

Obradovich: WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AHEAD, WHAT ABOUT SENATOR TOM HARKIN? HE'S BEEN A PRETTY FORMIDABLE FOE FOR REPUBLICANS FOR A LONG TIME. WE'VE HEARD THAT CONGRESSMAN GANSKE MAY BE INTERESTED. IS HE THE ONE OR ARE THERE OTHERS OUT THERE THAT YOU THINK MIGHT RUN?

Robinson: THERE PROBABLY ARE SOME OTHERS, BUT ANYBODY THAT HAS WATCHED GANSKE'S CAREER KNOW THAT HE WILL BE A VERY, VERY SERIOUS COMPETITOR. I THINK THAT IF YOU SEE HOW HARD GREG GANSKE WORKS -- HE HAS AN OFFICE IN OUR REPUBLICAN PARTY HEADQUARTERS, WHERE HE DOES HIS POLITICAL THINGS. AND IT'S VERY COMMON TO SEE HIM THERE LATE AT NIGHT WHEN HE'S HERE IN DES MOINES, MAKING CALLS AND ORGANIZING HIS WORK. THE GUY, HE NEVER QUITS. HE IS A VERY, VERY GREAT COMPETITOR, A TREMENDOUS OFFICEHOLDER, WHO IS GOING TO BE A CANDIDATE THAT TOM HARKIN IS NOT GOING TO WANT TO RUN AGAINST.

Borg: YOU INDICATED EARLIER THAT GEORGE W. BUSH WILL BE CAMPAIGNING IN IOWA. HAVE YOU BEEN GIVEN ANY INSIGHT AS TO WHAT THE NATURE OF THAT CAMPAIGNING MIGHT BE? IS IT JUST GOING TO BE THE TRADITIONAL IN AND OUT IN A DAY, OR IS HE GOING TO HOLD SOME SIGNIFICANT EVENTS IN IOWA?

Robinson: WELL, THERE'S GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT SERIES ON THE 21ST. HE'S GOING TO BE HERE HOW MANY TIMES AFTER THAT, I CAN'T TELL YOU. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT YOU HAVE IS THAT EVERYBODY IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY WANTS GEORGE W. BUSH AND DICK CHENEY IN THEIR STATE FOR THEIR EVENT. SO SOMEBODY AT THE NATIONAL CAMPAIGN LEVEL HAS TO PLAN THOSE THINGS, WHERE HE IS GOING TO BE, AND THAT'S GOING TO COME OUT IN THE WASH. BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HIM ON THE 21ST FOR SURE, AND I SUSPECT THAT WE'LL HAVE HIM AFTER THAT.

Yepsen:: MR. ROBINSON, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT ISSUES. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE HEARING FROM BOTH RALPH NADER AND PAT BUCHANAN AND JOHN HAGELIN, THESE INDEPENDENT CANDIDATES, IS THAT THE TWO PARTIES ARE ONE IN THE SAME, THAT IT REALLY MAKES NO DIFFERENCE WHO YOU ELECT, THEY'RE BOTH CONTROLLED BY CORPORATE INTEREST. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE THAT VIEW? WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE IN THIS ELECTION WHETHER GEORGE W. BUSH WINS OR AL GORE WINS?

Robinson: IT MAKES AN ABSOLUTELY IMMENSE DIFFERENCE. PROBABLY THE SIMPLEST DIVIDE IS THAT THE DEMOCRATS WANT TO USE GOVERNMENT TO ACCOMPLISH MANY, MANY THINGS. WE HAVE A SURPLUS, FOR EXAMPLE, AND A SURPLUS IS A DANGEROUS THING. WHEN YOU HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY, YOU HAVE THAT GREAT BIG WASHTUB FULL OF MONEY, AND YOU PUT THAT IN FRONT OF POLITICAL FIGURES, THE TEMPTATION TO SPEND THAT MONEY MAKING GOVERNMENT BIGGER IS VERY, VERY GREAT. AND ONCE YOU'VE DONE THAT AND THE BUCKET IS NOW EMPTY, THE WASHTUB IS EMPTY, THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY TO KEEP THAT NEW SPENDING GOING, AND THAT'S BY RAISING TAXES. RAISING TAXES MEANS TAKING ALL OF OUR RESOURCES THAT WE WORKED FOR AND GIVING IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE TO SPEND. REPUBLICANS HAVE AN EMPHASIS ON THE PRIVATE SECTOR. IF YOU JUST TAKE THE SOCIAL SECURITY SOLUTIONS THAT ARE OFFERED BY GEORGE W. BUSH, TALKING ABOUT TAKING SOME OF YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY RESOURCES AND INVESTING THEM PRIVATELY. INSTEAD OF GETTING 2 PERCENT, HAVING A CHANCE OF GETTING 8 OR 9 OR 10 OR 15 PERCENT, WHICH WILL HELP YOU IN YOUR RETIREMENT. THAT'S THE CRUX OF THE DIFFERENCE IS, DO WE GROW GOVERNMENT OR DO WE GROW THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND MAKE PEOPLE INDIVIDUALLY BETTER OFF? GOVERNMENT IS NOT GOING TO MAKE INDIVIDUALS BETTER OFF, ULTIMATELY.

Obradovich: THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE IN YOUR PARTY, HOWEVER, DURING THE PRIMARY CAMPAIGN AND DURING THE CAUCUSES HERE IN IOWA WHO SAID WHAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY NEEDED TO DO WAS DRAW EVEN STARKER DIFFERENCES BY CHOOSING A CANDIDATE THAT THEY FELT WAS MAYBE MORE TO THE RIGHT THAN GEORGE W. BUSH. THEY SAID WHEN WE HAVE A CENTRIST MESSAGE, WE LOSE. WHY -- WHAT HAS CHANGED HERE?

Robinson: I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD BUY INTO YOUR –

Obradovich: IT WASN'T MY THING, THOUGH. IT WAS THE REPUBLICANS WERE SAYING –

Robinson: PEOPLE IDENTIFIED WITH MANY OF THE CANDIDATES BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THAT CANDIDATE WOULD BE THE ONE THAT WOULD HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF WINNING THE ELECTION BECAUSE LIKE THEM. WE ALL ATTACH OURSELVES TO CANDIDATES FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. I'D HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT I HAVE NEVER SEEN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN IOWA AS UNITED BEHIND ANYBODY AS THEY ARE WITH GEORGE BUSH. IF YOU LOOK BACK AT MANY OF THE CAMPAIGNS THAT WE HAVE ALL SEEN AND BEEN INVOLVED IN, IN MOST CASES THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF TENSION BETWEEN THE NATIONAL CAMPAIGN AND THE STATE AND COUNTY ORGANIZATIONS AND THE LEADERS IN THE STATE. I JUST DON'T SEE THAT THIS TIME. THE RELATIONSHIPS ARE EXCELLENT. THE AMOUNT OF SUPPORT IS AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN. I THINK WE'VE OVERCOME THAT.

Yepsen: MR. CHAIRMAN, WE ALWAYS EXPECT A STATE-PARTY CHAIRMAN TO COME OUT AND TELL US HIS OR HER PARTY IS UNIFIED. YOU FOUGHT A REAL BATTLE IN THIS STATE DURING THE CAUCUSES. ARE YOU TELLING ME NOW THAT THE SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES, WHO ARE THE FOOT SOLDIERS OF YOUR PARTY AND WHO THOUGHT GEORGE W. BUSH WAS A WHIMP ON THEIR ISSUES, ARE NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN GOING TO BE OUT KNOCKING ON DOORS LATE AT NIGHT ON ELECTION NIGHT TO TURN OUT A VOTE FOR HIM?

Robinson: I AM TELLING YOU THAT. I'M NOT AGREEING WITH YOU THAT THEY THOUGHT HE WAS A WHIMP ON ANYTHING. I THINK THEY HAD INDIVIDUALLY -- MANY PEOPLE HAD INDIVIDUALLY IDENTIFIED SOMEONE THAT THEY THOUGHT BEST REPRESENTED THEIR NARROW INTEREST. IN THE END, A CHOICE WAS MADE, IT WAS GEORGE BUSH, AND THEY'RE VERY, VERY COMFORTABLE AND EXCITED ABOUT GEORGE BUSH. AND IF YOU TRAVEL OUT TO THE COUNTIES AND AMONG THE WORKERS AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THE JOB OUT THERE, YOU SEE THAT'S EXACTLY THE WAY IT IS. ATTENDANCE AT COUNTY MEETINGS, AT PICNICS AND EVERYTHING IS WAY UP. THE MONEY IS COMING IN AS IT'S NEVER COME IN BEFORE. ALL THE TANGIBLE WAYS OF MEASURING IT ARE THERE. OUR PEOPLE ARE REALLY BEHIND GEORGE BUSH.

Borg: I WANT TO TAKE DAVE YEPSEN'S QUESTION ON ISSUES. YOU RESPONDED AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL TO THE LEGISLATIVE RACES. A FEW MINUTES AGO, WHEN WE ASKED YOU THAT QUESTION, YOU GAVE SOME NEGATIVES ON GOVERNOR VILSACK. WHAT ARE THE ISSUES BETWEEN REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS AS FAR AS CONTROLLING THE IOWA LEGISLATURE?

Robinson: WELL, I THINK YOU COULD START OUT WITH EDUCATION AS ONE. NOW, IOWA EDUCATION IS FAIRLY COMPLICATED BECAUSE WE HAVE A VERY, VERY GOOD EDUCATION SYSTEM. IF YOU'RE GOING TO IMPROVE IT, IT'S MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO IMPROVE A VERY GOOD SYSTEM THAN IT IS IF YOU HAVE TOTAL CHAOS AND AN AWFUL SYSTEM WHERE ANY IMPROVEMENT IS A BIG DEAL. BUT IN IOWA, WE HAVE A VERY GOOD SYSTEM, BUT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO IMPROVE IT. THE REPUBLICAN POSITION IS TO INJECT MORE QUALITY. TO FIND A WAY TO RAISE TEACHER SALARIES BUT TO HAVE IT LINKED TO PERFORMANCE AND TO HAVE A VERY, VERY TIGHT LINK WITH BETTER PERFORMANCE TO ENCOURAGE BETTER TEACHERS. NOW, THAT'S A DIFFERENCE. THE DEMOCRATS BASICALLY WANT TO RAISE TEACHER SALARIES AND CATER TO THE BASIC UNION POSITION OF JUST GIVE PEOPLE MONEY AND THAT WILL PRODUCE BETTER EDUCATION. IT MAY BE. BUT THE REPUBLICAN POSITION IS LET'S FIND WAYS OF RAISING SALARIES LINKED TO IMPROVED PERFORMANCE. THAT'S A PRETTY BIG DIFFERENCE.

Borg: IN OUR CLOSING TIME HERE, I WANT TO ASK WHAT'S NEXT FOR KAYNE ROBINSON. ARE YOU GOING TO SEEK CONTINUATION AS PARTY CHAIR? DO YOU WANT TO GO TO THE NRA AS AN OFFICER OR WHAT?

Robinson: I WILL NOT RUN FOR REELECTION IN JANUARY. AND I'LL MOVE ON –

Yepsen: AS PARTY CHAIR?

Robinson: AS PARTY CHAIR. AND I WILL GO ON IN THE SPRING TO VERY LIKELY BECOME PRESIDENT OF THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION.

Yepsen: WHAT ABOUT BEING A CANDIDATE FOR OFFICE YOURSELF SOMEDAY? WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE RUNNING FOR OFFICE OUT HERE. HOW ABOUT KAYNE ROBINSON?

Robinson: I'M PROBABLY NOT A VERY GOOD CANDIDATE. I SAY WHAT I THINK TOO OFTEN.

[ LAUGHTER]

Borg: WELL, THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT TODAY. IT'S BEEN GOOD TO HAVE YOU BACK ON IOWA PRESS.

Robinson: GOOD TO BE HERE.

Borg: KAYNE ROBINSON'S COUNTERPART IN THE IOWA DEMOCRATIC PARTY, CHAIRMAN ROB TULLY, JOINS US FOR HIS APPRAISALS FOLLOWING THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION, WHICH OPENS THIS WEEK IN LOS ANGELES. CHAIRMAN TULLY WILL BE HERE ON OUR AUGUST 27 EDITION OF IOWA PRESS. NOW, NEXT SUNDAY ON IOWA PRESS, WE SPOTLIGHT AN ISSUE THAT'S BEGINNING TO DRAW POLITICAL ATTENTION. IT'S THAT PROPOSED BEEF PROCESSING FACILITY, WHICH HAS BROAD-BASED, NONPARTISAN SUPPORT. BUT TARGETED COMMUNITIES HAVE SAID, "DON'T PUT IT HERE." JOINING US NEXT WEEK ARE WYTHE WILLEY OF THE IOWA CATTLEMEN'S ASSOCIATION AND JOHN WHITAKER OF THE IOWA FARMERS UNION TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSED FACILITY AND THE RAMIFICATIONS. NEXT SUNDAY AT NOON AND 7:00 HERE ON STATEWIDE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION. AND THIS REMINDER AS WE GO, IOWA PRESS IS NOW AVAILABLE ON THE WORLDWIDE WEB. NEWS LINKS THERE TO IOWA PRESS TOPICS, REPORTER BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCHES, COMMENTARY FROM OUR REPORTERS, AND TRANSCRIPTS FROM PAST EDITIONS NOW AVAILABLE ON THIS ADDRESS: IT'S WWW.IOWA PRESS.IPTV.ORG. AND THAT'S THIS WEEK'S EDITION. I HOPE YOU'LL WATCH NEXT SUNDAY. UNTIL THEN, I'M DEAN BORG. THANKS FOR JOINING US TODAY.

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