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Iowa Press #2913
November 30 and December 2, 2001

Dean Borg: IN A FLATTENED ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT, THERE'S A SENSE OF URGENCY IN DEALING WITH THE PROBLEMS FACING IOWA'S MUNICIPALITIES. WE'LL GET A STATUS REPORT ON IOWA'S TWO LARGEST CITIES FROM DES MOINES MAYOR PRESTON DANIELS AND CEDAR RAPIDS MAYOR-ELECT PAUL PATE... ON THIS EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS."

Narrator: FUNDING FOR "IOWA PRESS" WAS PROVIDED BY: FRIENDS OF IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION; AND BY THE IOWA BANKERS ASSOCIATION... FOR PERSONAL, BUSINESS, AND COMMERCIAL NEEDS, IOWA BANKS HELP IOWANS REACH THEIR FINANCIAL GOALS.

STATEWIDE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION IS CELEBRATING THE 30TH ANNIVERSARY OF "IOWA PRESS," NOW SERVING THE STATE AS IOWA'S LONGEST RUNNING PUBLIC AFFAIRS PROGRAM. WITH THIS WEEK'S EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS," HERE IS DEAN BORG.

Borg: THE MOST RECENT CENSUS AFFIRMS THAT IOWA'S URBAN CENTERS ARE GROWING AT THE EXPENSE OF IOWA'S RURAL POPULATION, BUT PROBLEMS CONFRONTING IOWA'S LARGEST MUNICIPALITIES ARE ALSO GROWING. VIABLE SOLUTIONS ARE ELUSIVE, PARTICULARLY IN THE CURRENT ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT. IN FACT, THE FLAT ECONOMY BRINGS ADDED PROBLEMS. THE LIST OF CHALLENGES, FAMILIAR: DECLINING REVENUE BASE; GROWING SUBURBS; AND THE NEED TO DEVELOP A REGIONAL APPROACH TO METRO GOVERNMENT; AND THE SO-CALLED HORIZONTAL INFRASTRUCTURE, INCLUDING AIRPORT EXPANSION AND THE REHABILITATION OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICTS IN DOWNTOWN AND INNER-CITY AREAS. THE HARD-TO-FIND SOLUTIONS REQUIRE INNOVATION AND MONEY. HERE TO HELP US WITH A REPORT CARD ON HOW IOWA'S CITIES ARE FARING ARE PAUL PATE; HE'S THE MAYOR-ELECT OF CEDAR RAPIDS... AND PRESTON DANIELS IS THE MAYOR OF DES MOINES. GENTLEMEN, WELCOME TO "IOWA PRESS."

Daniels: THANK YOU.

Pate: THANK YOU.

Borg: AND ACROSS THE TABLE HERE AT "IOWA PRESS": "DES MOINES REGISTER" POLITICAL COLUMNIST DAVID YEPSEN AND "ASSOCIATED PRESS" POLITICAL REPORTER MIKE GLOVER.

Glover: MAYOR DANIELS, ARGUABLY ONE OF THE BRIGHT SPOTS ECONOMICALLY IN THE STATE OF IOWA IS THE CENTRAL IOWA-DES MOINES REGION. WHAT ARE YOU DOING RIGHT THAT OTHER PEOPLE IN THE STATE CAN LEARN FROM?

Daniels: THERE'S A QUESTION. I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING IS THAT WE HAVE, IN MANY AREAS, STARTED WORKING MORE CLOSELY TOGETHER, WITH THE GREATER DES MOINES PARTNERSHIP, FOR INSTANCE, COMING TOGETHER OF THE BUSINESS ENTITIES THROUGHOUT THE AREA TO PROMOTE THE ENTIRE AREA AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SITUATION. COMBINING A LOT OF OUR STRATEGIES AND TRYING TO SAY THIS IS MORE OF A HOLISTIC DEVELOPMENTAL PLAN THAN A SINGLISTIC PLAN WHERE WE'RE OPERATING AS INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITIES. I THINK THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE DO WELL. THE OTHER IS I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO MARKET OURSELVES BETTER AS A REGION, TRYING TO SAY THAT THERE ARE SOME GOALS AND OBJECTIVES WE ALL CAN WORK ON TOGETHER.

Glover: MAYOR PATE, DURING YOUR CAMPAIGN, YOUR SUCCESSFUL CAMPAIGN, YOU MADE THE ECONOMY A TOP ISSUE, SAYING THAT YOUR NUMBER-ONE PRIORITY WAS GOING TO BE BRINGING JOBS TO THE CEDAR RAPIDS AREA EVEN BEFORE YOU TAKE OFFICE, TO GIVE PEOPLE SOME HELP HEADING INTO THE HOLIDAY SEASON. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN?

Pate: WELL, WE'VE ALREADY STARTED IT. YOU'VE GOT TO GET THE PLAYERS INVOLVED IN THE DIALOGUE. WHEN I SAY THAT, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE MAJOR EMPLOYERS IN TOWN, THE CEOs OF THOSE COMPANIES, YOU NEED TO GET THEM SITTING AROUND THE TABLE TO START LOOKING AT WHERE THEY'RE PLANNING ON THEIR GROWTHWISE, ALSO ENCOURAGING SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT. WHAT I'M DOING IS TRYING TO MAKE SURE OUR CITY GOVERNMENT OFFICES ARE AS USER-FRIENDLY AS THEY CAN SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT GROWTH, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE SLOWING THE PROCESS DOWN WITH ANY UNNECESSARY ROADBLOCKS. AND WE'VE HAD A REAL GOOD SUCCESS WITH HAVING SOME DIALOGUE WITH OUR WHOLE CORRIDOR CONCEPT BETWEEN CEDAR RAPIDS AND IOWA CITY. BUT WE HAVE TO SHIFT OUR FOCUS A LITTLE BIT FROM WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT MORE TO GETTING EMPLOYERS TO COME TO THIS TOWN NOW.

Yepsen: MAYOR DANIELS, TAKE A LONGER TERM VIEW OF THIS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT QUESTION. MOST OF THE ECONOMIC GROWTH IN IOWA IN THE NEXT 25 YEARS IS GOING TO OCCUR IN THE DES MOINES/AMES CORRIDOR AND IN THE CEDAR RAPIDS/IOWA CITY CORRIDOR. WHAT MORE DO WE NEED TO BE DOING AS A STATE OR DO YOU NEED TO BE DOING AS A CITY TO FOSTER GROWTH IN THOSE TWO CORRIDORS?

Daniels: WELL, IN TRYING TO TAKE BOTH PARTS OF THAT, FRANKLY, I THINK THAT THE STATE HAS TO EVENTUALLY MAKE A DECISION AND DECIDE WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE WORKING ON AN URBAN-BASED ECONOMY OR ON A RURAL-BASED ECONOMY. I DON'T REALLY FEEL THAT WE HAVE MADE THAT TRANSITION. AND I THINK THAT THE GOOD STATES, THE GREAT STATES IN THE FUTURE WILL UNDERSTAND THAT THEIR DOLLARS, THEIR INCOME PRODUCERS ARE REALLY GOING TO BE URBAN-BASED ECONOMIES. AND WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT TRANSITION. THE SECOND THING IS I THINK IN THE CITY OF DES MOINES AND IN THAT METRO AREA, WE'RE VERY PROCESS-ORIENTED ON MAINTAINING THE CORE. THE CORE IS WHAT BUILT THE AREA OF THE CITY OF DES MOINES. WE HAVE TO HAVE A GOOD, STRONG, STABLE CORE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW THE GREATER AUTONOMY OF THE CITIES THAT SURROUND US AND STILL BE INTEGRATED INTO THAT GREATER WHOLE OF THE ENTIRE METRO REGION.

Yepsen: MAYOR-ELECT PATE, SAME QUESTION TO YOU. WHAT DO YOU DO LONG TERM TO FOSTER GROWTH IN THE CEDAR RAPIDS/IOWA CITY CORRIDOR?

Pate: WELL, I THINK THE FIRST THING WE HAVE TO DO IS ENCOURAGE THE LEGISLATURE TO MAKE THE DECISION, AS MAYOR DANIELS HAS MENTIONED, AS TO HOW THEY'RE GOING TO ASSIST US. RIGHT NOW I THINK THEY'VE ACTUALLY HAD THE OPPOSITE APPROACH. THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME STARVING-OFF OF CITIES IN HOW THEY REWARD US FOR MAKING THE KIND OF ADVANCES OR TAKING INITIATIVES TO BE MORE EFFICIENT IN HOW WE OPERATE. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO REVISIT THE WHOLE LEGISLATIVE BARRIERS THEY PUT IN PLACE. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I THINK WE HAVE TO KEEP DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING, REACHING OUT. WE'VE GOT OVER 30 CITIES AND TOWNSHIPS IN LINN COUNTY, AND YOU CAN THROW JOHNSON COUNTY IN THERE. IT DOESN'T TAKE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO SEE THE HEADLIGHTS OF PEOPLE COMING TO WORK IN CEDAR RAPIDS EVERY MORNING AND GOING HOME AT NIGHT. SO WE HAVE TO REACH OUT PAST OUR BORDERS.

Yepsen: AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, MR. PATE, I MEAN, IS THERE MUCH A MAYOR CAN DO ABOUT THE LOCAL ECONOMY? I CAN APPRECIATE YOU WANT TO HELP PEOPLE KEEP THEIR JOBS; THAT'S RATIONAL. BUT AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, DO YOU HAVE MUCH FORMAL POWER TO REALLY DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT?

Pate: IT MAY NOT BE ONE OF THOSE MORE TECHNICAL THINGS THAT ARE IN PRINT. I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IS YOUR POWER AND YOUR INFLUENCE IN BEING A LEADER. IN CEDAR RAPIDS, THE MAYOR IS CHARGED WITH PUBLIC RELATIONS AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS. PEOPLE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT ASSETS ARE AVAILABLE IN CEDAR RAPIDS, WHAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS. YOU'VE GOT TO KNOW WHAT GOOD THINGS ARE THERE. YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT THOSE RESOURCES ARE. SO, YEAH, YOU DO HAVE AN ACTIVE ROLE TO PLAY, AND I THINK YOU CAN ALSO BE OUT ON THE FRONT LINE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE THE KIND OF GROWTH YOU WANT TO SEE. IN CEDAR RAPIDS, WE HAVE A STRONG HIGH-TECH BASE. WE NEED TO DO MORE WITH IT AND OUR MANUFACTURING JOBS. THOSE ARE ALL ASSETS TO PROMOTE.

Borg: MR. PATE, YOU REFERRED TO THE LEGISLATURE NOT ASSISTING THE URBAN AREAS. PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT IS THE RURAL/URBAN SPLIT IN IOWA. WHAT CAN YOU DO TO HEAL THAT?

Pate: WELL, FIRST OFF, WE'VE JUST HAD REAPPORTIONMENT, SO THE DISTRICTS HAVE CHANGED NOW. IT HAS YET TO BE DETERMINED HOW THE ELECTIONS WILL TRANSFER THOSE PEOPLE, WHETHER THEY'LL BE MORE URBAN OR RURAL IN RESPECT TO WHERE THEY LIVE. BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IMMEDIATELY IS TALK ABOUT THAT WE'RE NOT THE ENEMY, CITIES ARE NOT THE ENEMY, THE FACT THAT THOSE PRODUCTS THAT ARE BEING GROWN AND PRODUCED ON THOSE FARMS COME TO OUR CITIES AND WE ARE PUTTING VALUE ADDED TO IT. WE'RE CREATING SOME SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE ECONOMY FOR THEM SO FARMERS GET MORE MONEY FOR THEIR PRODUCTS. WE'RE ALSO GIVING THEM A QUALITY OF LIFE THAT THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE. THEIR HEALTH CARE, IT'S IN THE CITY. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME HERE FOR THEIR REALLY MORE COMPLICATED HEALTH CARE ASSISTANCE AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE OFFERED. AND AGAIN, LET'S AVOID THAT ADVERSARIAL ROLE. LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN PARTNER.

Borg: THAT MAY BE EASIER SAID THAN DONE, MAYOR DANIELS, BECAUSE DES MOINES HAS BEEN WORKING ON THAT FOR A LONG TIME, AND I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER CITY THAT'S DISLIKED MORE IN IOWA, OTHER THAN THOSE LIVING IN DES MOINES, THAN "IS" DES MOINES. YOU MAY DISAGREE WITH THAT BUT YOU EVEN COMPLAIN ABOUT AN ANTI-DES MOINES SPIRIT. WHAT CAN BE DONE? AND YOU TALKED ABOUT AN URBAN-BASED ECONOMY. YOU CAN'T GET THAT DONE UNTIL YOU OVERCOME THAT SPLIT.

Daniels: NO, AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. WE HAVE TO SAY THAT THAT'S TRUE. I THINK FOR YEARS THE CITY OF DES MOINES AND THE LEADERS IN THE CITY OF DES MOINES HAVE NOT ACKNOWLEDGED THAT. THEY'VE NOT ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES HISTORICALLY -- AND WE HAVE LONG-TERM MEMORIES IN THE STATE OF IOWA -- WHEN DES MOINES WAS THE BIG GUY ON THE BLOCK, CARRIED A BIG STICK, AND WENT AROUND BEATING PEOPLE UP UNTIL THEY GOT WHAT THEY WANTED. I THINK THAT'S IN THE PAST, AND I THINK WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO BE THE CAPITAL CITY IN THE STATE OF IOWA AND TO ACT AS THOUGH WE'RE THE CAPITAL CITY. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERYTHING COMES TO US. AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ASSIST THE RURAL ECONOMY AND ASSIST THE RURAL INDIVIDUALS IN SOME OF THEIR NEEDS AND TO BE ABLE TO SAY TO THEM, "WE'RE BOTH IN THIS TOGETHER." IF YOUR CHILDREN ARE GOING TO LEAVE YOUR FARMS, LEAVE YOUR SMALL COMMUNITIES, IS IT NOT BETTER FOR THEM TO COME TO YOUR MAJOR CITIES IN YOUR STATE WHERE THEY'RE STILL AROUND FOR YOU TO VISIT, VISIT THE GRANDCHILDREN, AS OPPOSED TO LEAVING AND GOING TO CALIFORNIA, NEW YORK.

Yepsen: DEAN MENTIONS URBAN/RURAL TENSIONS, MAYOR DANIELS, BUT WHAT ABOUT URBAN/SUBURBAN TENSIONS? I MEAN, BOTH POLK COUNTY AND LINN COUNTY ARE FACING HEAD-BUTTING RIGHT HERE IN YOUR OWN BACK YARDS. HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THE TENSIONS BETWEEN DES MOINES AND THE SUBURBS?

Daniels: WELL, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I'VE -- AND I THINK PAUL ALLUDED TO THAT -- THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO AS MAYORS IS TO WAVE THE FLAG, FIND THE RISK THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN, AND STEP OUT FRONT AND SAY THAT IT EXISTS AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND DO IT. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I PUSHED FOR CONSOLIDATION IN OUR AREA. WE NEED TO GET AWAY FROM BEING OUR OWN WORST ENEMIES. WE'RE FIGHTING EACH OTHER WITH INCENTIVES. WE'RE WASTING TAX DOLLARS NOW BETWEEN OUR COMMUNITIES. YOU MUST HAVE THE ECONOMIC GROWTH TO SUSTAIN A COMMUNITY. YOU CANNOT SUSTAIN IT ON BEDROOMS. YOU MUST HAVE A BUSINESS COME TO YOUR COMMUNITY, AND WE'RE TRYING TO WORK AROUND THAT IN A COOPERATIVE MANNER.

Yepsen: MR. PATE, SAME QUESTION. WHAT'S YOUR CURE FOR URBAN/SUBURBAN TENSIONS IN LINN COUNTY?

Pate: WELL, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ADVANTAGE IN THIS CASE IN LINN COUNTY; WE'VE NOT HAD AS MUCH TENSION. THERE'S ALWAYS A COMPETITION FOR THE DOLLAR. THAT'S PROBABLY BEEN THE TENSION WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT REGIONAL -- WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ROAD-USE MONEY, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, WHETHER YOU'RE A CEDAR RAPIDS OR A MARION OR A FAIRFAX OR AN ELY, THEY'RE ALL LOOKING AT THE SAME DOLLAR. AND THAT'S WHERE THE TENSION HAS COME INTO PLAY, AND THAT'S WHY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN DO BETTER AS A REGIONAL LEVEL, IT ONLY MAKES SENSE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. AND THAT WILL HELP AVOID SOME OF THOSE KINDS OF PROBLEMS. COST RELATIONS, BETTER RELATIONS WITH THE MAYORS IN OTHER COMMUNITIES SO THEY KNOW THERE'S NO SECRET AGENDAS, THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS FOR EVERYBODY.

Glover: MAYOR DANIELS, NOW THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED YOU AS THE MOST HATED MAN IN THE STATE, THE LEGISLATURE IS OPENING UP IN JUST A FEW WEEKS. WHAT DOES THE CITY OF DES MOINES NEED FROM THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION?

Daniels: WELL, I'M SURE THERE'S A LONG LITANY OF THINGS THAT WE COULD ASK FOR. THINGS THAT WE NEED ARE THE ABILITY TO HAVE INCENTIVES. WE NEED OUR TAX BASE RETURNED TO US SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE INCENTIVES FOR BUSINESS IN THIS COMMUNITY. WE NEED TO HAVE SUCH ITEMS AS TAXES FOR GROWTH IN THE CITY AVAILABLE TO US IN THE FORM OF BEING ABLE TO DO HISTORIC RENOVATIONS. THESE ARE SOME OF THE AREAS THAT ARE COMING BACK TO US. WE HAVE AN AGING INFRASTRUCTURE. WE NEED THOSE DOLLARS AVAILABLE TO US. ROAD-USE TAXES, WE ARE SPREADING OUR ROAD-USE DOLLARS ACROSS THE ENTIRE STATE WHEN YOU HAVE THE MAJORITY OF TRAVEL DONE WITHIN YOUR URBAN CORES. WE NEED THOSE DOLLARS RETURNED TO US SO WE CAN DO GREAT ROAD DESIGN WITHIN OUR OWN AREAS.

Glover: MAYOR PATE, YOU'VE JUST BEEN ELECTED TO THE SECOND MOST HATED POSITION IN IOWA AND THE WORST POLITICAL JOB IN THE STATE, RUNNING FOR MAYOR EVERY TWO YEARS.

Pate: I CAN AGREE WITH THAT ONE, I THINK.

Glover: WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM LEGISLATURE THIS YEAR?

Pate: WELL, THE ROAD-USE FUND HAS GOT TO BE A TOP ISSUE.

Glover: AND HOW DO YOU WANT THAT CHANGED?

Pate: WELL, I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT A FAIR WAY OF DISTRIBUTING IT AGAIN. I, UNFORTUNATELY, HAD THAT EXPERIENCE TEN YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS A FRESHMAN SENATOR REWRITING THE ROAD-USE FUND FORMULA, AND IT ISN'T A FUN PROCESS. WE HAVE 600 MILES OF STREETS IN THE CITY OF CEDAR RAPIDS ALONE. NOW, YOU COUNT THE SUBURBS, TOO, AND THAT'S A LOT OF ROADS THAT WE'RE HAVING TO SERVICE AND DEAL WITH, WITH LIMITED DOLLARS. SO I THINK THEY'VE GOT TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THAT. I ALSO WANT TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO NOT TAKE AWAY OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS WE STILL HAVE IN PLACE. IN THE PAST, WHEN THE DOLLAR HAS GOTTEN TIGHT, THE STATE KEEPS GETTING RID OF SOME OF THOSE TOOLS. AND WE DON'T NEED TO LOSE THEM; WE NEED ACTUALLY TO ENHANCE THEM. AND JUST TWO QUICK PLUGS: WE NEED SOME VENTURE CAPITAL FUNDS OUT THERE SO WE CAN ENCOURAGE COMPANIES TO COME TO IOWA AND GROW HERE, AND WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE IOWA VISION MONEY TO MAKE SURE IT STAYS IN PLACE.

Glover: HOW DO YOU ACCOMPLISH THAT REALISTICALLY IN A LEGISLATURE WHERE THE MAJORITY LEADER OF THE SENATE IS FROM DOWS AND THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE IS FROM COUNCIL BLUFFS?

Pate: WELL, I THINK COUNCIL BLUFFS IS A PRETTY GOOD SIZED CITY. I THINK HE CAN RESPECT THAT -- WHAT'S GOING ON. AND I THINK STEW IVERSON UNDERSTANDS THAT HE HAS A CAUCUS TO REPRESENT. AND AS I SAID EARLIER, WITH REAPPORTIONMENT COMING, THESE SENATORS ARE GOING TO START SHIFTING THEIR LOOK A LITTLE MORE AS TO WHERE THEIR BASE IS.

Yepsen: MAYOR PATE, ON THIS ROAD-USE TAX FORMULA, THE PROBLEM IS, AS YOU SAY, YOU THINK TOO MUCH OF THIS MONEY IS GOING INTO RURAL IOWA. IN THE PAST, THOSE DISPUTES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SETTLED BY RAISING THE GAS TAX. WE JUST GIVE EVERYBODY A LITTLE MORE MONEY. NOW, ARE YOU CALLING FOR AN INCREASE IN THE GAS TAX?

Pate: WELL, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS TO CALL FOR AN INCREASE IN THE TAX RIGHT NOW. I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS MORE THAN JUST TAKING FROM THE RURAL. WE'RE REALLY TALKING MORE ABOUT IS HOW THE STATE LOOKS AT THEIR HIGHWAY SYSTEM TOO. IT ALL FITS IN IT. IN OUR CASE WE HAVE HIGHWAY 100 WE'RE TRYING TO COMPLETE IN OUR CITY. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T GET ON THE BACK BURNER SO FAR AWAY THAT WE CAN'T FINISH SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE. AND DES MOINES HAS SIMILAR-TYPE PROJECTS. THAT'S MY THOUGHT IS KEEP THE STATE DOLLARS ON TARGET.

Glover: MAYOR DANIELS, WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON REDISTRICTING? HOW DO YOU THINK THAT CAME OUT? HOW DID THE CITIES FAIR? HOW IS THE LEGISLATURE GOING TO CHANGE BECAUSE OF THESE NEW DISTRICTS? DO YOU SEE AN INCREASE IN SUBURBAN REPRESENTATION IN CLOUT, URBAN CLOUT?

Daniels: I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE AN INCREASE IN URBAN CLOUT IN THE LEGISLATURE. NOW, WHETHER OR NOT THE URBAN CITIZENS WHO GO IN REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE URBAN CITIZENS AND STILL DON'T SEE THEMSELVES AS RURAL CITIZENS, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE PROBLEM THAT WE'LL HAVE TO WORK OUT. BUT THERE SHOULD BE MORE OF A MAJORITY FOR THE URBAN CONSTITUENCY.

Borg: MR. PATE, YOU MENTIONED "VISION IOWA." CEDAR RAPIDS IS NOTABLY ABSENT AMONG THE MAJOR GRANT PLAYERS IN THE CURRENT ROUND OF "VISION IOWA." WHAT DOES CEDAR RAPIDS WANT? WHAT DO YOU PLAN?

Pate: WELL, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO COME FORWARD WITH. WE'VE BEEN IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW OF PUTTING IN A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR DOWNTOWN... OUR VISION INVOLVING OUR CZECH VILLAGE, INVOLVING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LAND THERE. WE'RE TALKING 60, 70 ACRES OF PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED INTO RECREATIONAL AND OFFICES AND OTHER TYPES OF COMPLEXES. BUT BOTTOM LINE, WE WANT TO SEE SOMETHING THAT'S COMMUNITY-BASED SUPPORT. THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T COME IN EARLY AS OTHER CITIES DID, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE YET. I THINK WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO THAT AND YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'LL COME BEHIND A PLAN THAT REALLY EXCITES PEOPLE ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY. AND IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY VISION IOWA SUPPORT, IT WON'T TURN THE PROJECT AWAY, BECAUSE IF THE COMMUNITY IS BEHIND IT, WE'LL FIND A WAY TO GET IT DONE.

Borg: MAYOR DANIELS, YOU HAVE A MAJOR EVENT CENTER STARTING NOW WITH "VISION IOWA" FUNDS. WHAT'S THE PROGRESS REPORT ON THAT?

Daniels: WELL, EVERYTHING IS STILL GOING WELL. WE STILL BELIEVE IT'S ON TRACK. OF COURSE, THERE'S STILL A SUPREME COURT DECISION THAT WILL HAVE TO COME DOWN REGARDING IT THAT'S BEEN FILED. WE BELIEVE WE'LL GET PAST THAT, AND WE BELIEVE WE'LL BE ON A GOOD, STRONG TIME LINE. WITH THE EVENT CENTER, THOUGH, YOU HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER MAJOR PROJECTS THAT ARE TIED TO THAT WITH THE DOLLARS THAT CAME INTO THE CITY OF DES MOINES: NEW SCIENCE CENTER, ET CETERA, NEW LIBRARY. THOSE ARE TIED TOGETHER, SO YOU HAVE ALMOST $200-MILLION WORTH OF DEVELOPMENT BEYOND JUST THE EVENT CENTER.

Glover: MAYOR PATE, REALISTICALLY, DOESN'T THE "VISION IOWA" PROGRAM HAVE TO BE EXPANDED BY THE LEGISLATURE BEFORE YOU CAN GET A NEW PROJECT? THERE ISN'T ENOUGH MONEY LEFT FOR ANOTHER MAJOR PROJECT.

Pate: IT WON'T STOP OUR CITY FROM GOING FORWARD BECAUSE I THINK THE PLANNING PHASE WE'RE GOING THROUGH, JUST THE PROCESS WILL CREATE THE SUPPORT WE NEED TO GET THIS THING GOING. WILL IT GO FASTER? DEFINITELY, IF WE HAD THE STATE'S INVOLVEMENT.

Glover: SO ARE YOU GOING TO BE PUSHING FOR AN EXPANSION OF THE "VISION IOWA" PROGRAM?

Pate: MOST CERTAINLY.

Yepsen: MAYOR DANIELS, BACK TO DES MOINES AND THE EVENT CENTER. YOU'VE GOT ONE LAWSUIT YOU JUST MENTIONED YOU HAVE TO OVERCOME. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ANOTHER ONE ON THE WAY. YOU DON'T THINK THESE LAWSUITS ARE GOING TO TORPEDO THIS PROJECT?

Daniels: I WOULD CERTAINLY HOPE THEY DON'T TORPEDO THESE PROJECTS. THE SECOND LAWSUIT, THE ONE THAT'S JUST COME UP ON THE RADAR SCOPE IS NEW. WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY FROM THE CITY POINT OF VIEW TO STUDY THAT TO DETERMINE WHAT THE OUTCOME WOULD BE.

Yepsen: YOU JUST MENTIONED THE ISSUE OF TAX EXEMPT PROPERTY IN DES MOINES. IT'S A BIG COMPLAINT THAT CITY OFFICIALS HERE HAVE ALWAYS HAD FOR A LONG TIME, THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PROPERTY INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS OF DES MOINES THAT'S EXEMPT FROM THE PROPERTY TAX. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THEY'RE GOVERNMENT INSTITUTIONS. NOW, EVERY TIME YOU START TALKING ABOUT THAT, I HEAR LEGISLATORS UP THERE SAYING, "FINE, IF YOU WANT TO MOVE THE CAPITOL TO COUNCIL BLUFFS OR CEDAR RAPIDS, THEY'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE IT." ISN'T THE LARGE AMOUNT OF TAX EXEMPT PROPERTY SIMPLY A PRICE DES MOINES PAYS FOR BEING THE STATE CAPITAL?

Daniels: IT IS A PRICE THAT DES MOINES PAYS. YET IN ALL THAT IS THE TAX DIFFERENTIAL IN OUR METRO AREA. IF YOU TAKE 34 PERCENT OF THE TAX AWAY FROM OUR CITIZENS, IMMEDIATELY WE'RE EVEN ON THE TAXING FIELD WITH EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT OUR CITIZENS PAY FOR THAT 34 PERCENT. THE LEGISLATURE MADE THE DECISION MANY, MANY YEARS AGO TO MOVE THE STATE CAPITOL TO DES MOINES. NOW, WITH THAT ALSO COMES RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEM, AND I THINK THEIR RESPONSIBILITY IS ALSO TO MAINTAIN A STRONG CAPITAL BASE HERE IN THE CITY.

Yepsen: A LOT OF PEOPLE IN DES MOINES COMPLAIN ABOUT HIGH PROPERTY TAXES. YOU ALSO HEAR IT IN CEDAR RAPIDS. SO THE SPECIFIC QUESTION TO YOU, MAYOR DANIELS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO LOWER PROPERTY TAXES IN THE CITY OF DES MOINES?

Daniels: THERE ISN'T A GREAT DEAL THAT WE CAN DO TO LOWER PROPERTY TAXES. IF WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT, THEN WE'RE FACED WITH AN 8-PERCENT CUT THIS YEAR THAT'S NOT OF OUR OWN DOING. IT COMES FROM THE TAX ROLLBACK, AGAIN BASING OUR PROPERTY TAX BASE ON RURAL, AGRICULTURAL LAND. IT'S GOING TO GIVE US ANOTHER 8-PERCENT CUT THAT WE WILL HAVE TO MAKE UP FOR. NOW, HOW CAN WE LOWER OUR PROPERTY TAX BASE WHEN WE'RE FACED WITH AN 8-PERCENT CUT THAT'S NOT OF OUR MAKING?

Yepsen: MR. PATE, SAME QUESTION. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO LOWER PROPERTY TAXES IN CEDAR RAPIDS?

Pate: WELL, AS THE MAYOR HAS MENTIONED, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT IN THESE TIMES. THE DIRECTIVE I'VE SUPPORTED RIGHT NOW IS GOING WITH A ZERO-BASED GROWTH FOR CEDAR RAPIDS IN ADJUSTING FOR SALARIES. IS THAT ENOUGH? PROBABLY NOT. BUT UNTIL THE STATE IN WHOLE REVIEWS THE WHOLE TAX SYSTEM IN THIS WHOLE STATE, IT'S VERY HARD FOR A CITY TO GET ITS ARMS AROUND ALL THIS. OUR TAX SYSTEM IN THIS STATE HAS NOT HAD A SERIOUS, SERIOUS REVIEW. WE KEEP NIBBLING AROUND THE EDGES AND, UNTIL WE TAKE THAT KIND OF COURAGE ON AND GO AND TACKLE IT, IT'S HARD FOR OUR CITY LEADERS TO DO SO.

Glover: HOW DOING PROPOSE GOING ABOUT THAT, MAYOR PATE?

Pate: WHICH PART IS THAT?

Glover: A REVIEW OF OUR TAX SYSTEM.

Pate: WELL, I'LL KEEP YELLING ON SHOWS LIKE THIS TO ASK THE GOVERNOR AND THE LEGISLATURE TO ROLL UP THEIR SLEEVES AND GET IN THERE AND DO SOME SERIOUS TAX RELIEF.

Glover: MAYOR DANIELS, IS IT TIME FOR THE STATE TO STEP BACK AND TAKE A LONG LOOK AT ITS TAX SYSTEM AND WHO PAYS WHAT? AND HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT IT?

Daniels: WELL, I THINK OBVIOUSLY WE'VE REACHED THAT POINT. I THINK, NUMBER ONE, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A STOP TO THIS ROLLBACK. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BRING IT TO A HALT AT SOME POINT AND TIME. RIGHT NOW THE ROLLBACK COULD GO BACK TO ZERO, WHERE WE CAN'T COLLECT ANY PROPERTY TAXES FROM PEOPLE. WE'RE DOWN TO 51 PERCENT OF OUR VALUATION THAT WE CAN COLLECT AT THIS TIME. HOW WE MAINTAIN -- WITHOUT THE GROWTH THAT WE HAVE, WE COULD NOT DO IT. AND THE IRONY OF THIS IS THAT THIS TAX WAS PUT INTO EFFECT TO PROTECT THE RURAL CONSTITUENT. THE RURAL COMMUNITIES ARE GOING TO GET HIT HARDER THAN WE ARE BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO GROWTH. THEY HAVE NOTHING TO HELP SUSTAIN THEM.

Glover: WELL, ANSWER THIS PRACTICAL QUESTION FOR ME: LEADING DEMOCRAT, LEADING REPUBLICAN: YOU BOTH WANT A REVIEW OF THE TAX SYSTEM IN THIS STATE. HOW DO WE GO ABOUT IT? WHAT'S STEP ONE TOWARDS THAT GOAL?

Daniels: WELL, I THINK LIKE PAUL IS SAYING, WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO BEAT THE DRUM. WE GO UP EVERY YEAR. WE DO HAVE A COALITION NOW OF THE LARGEST CITIES IN THE STATE COMING TOGETHER TO WORK ON LIKE AGENDAS. I THINK THESE ARE THE KIND OF AGENDAS WE ALL HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER, AND WE ALL HAVE TO GO UP TO THE CAPITOL AND SAY THE SAME THING.

Glover: DO YOU HAVE VIEWS ABOUT HOW THINGS NEED TO CHANGE? DO WE NEED MORE RELIANCE ON THE SALES TAX? LESS RELIANCE ON PROPERTY TAX? MORE RELIANCE ON INCOME TAX? DO YOU HAVE PREDISPOSITIONS HEADING INTO THIS?

Daniels: WELL, I KNOW THE PROPERTY TAX BASE HURTS US. YOU HEAR THAT FROM BUSINESS. YOU HEAR THAT FROM --

Glover: SO PROPERTY TAXES HAVE TO GO DOWN?

Daniels: PROPERTY TAXES HAVE TO GO DOWN.

Glover: THAT MEANS MORE RELIANCE ON INCOME TAX?

Daniels: I THINK THERE'S A PUNISHMENT THERE OF HOME OWNERSHIP. THERE'S A PUNISHMENT THERE OF HAVING A STRONG BUSINESS. WE HAVE TO STOP PUNISHING PEOPLE FOR DOING THE KINDS OF STABLE THINGS THAT WE NEED IN OUR COMMUNITIES

Yepsen: WHAT ABOUT THE LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX FOR SCHOOLS? BOTH POLK COUNTY AND LINN COUNTY HAVE THEIR OWN FORM OF A LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX. THE SCHOOLS IN THIS STATE ARE NOW SAYING, "WELL, WE NEED MORE MONEY. WE WANT TO RAISE THE SALES TAX." DO YOU HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THAT?

Daniels: I DON'T HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THAT. I THINK A SALES TAX IS -- I KNOW PEOPLE CALL IT A REGRESSIVE TAX, AND THEY SEE IT AS BEING A REGRESSIVE TAX. YET IN ALL, YOU HAVE SOME ABILITY TO CONTROL YOUR SPENDING SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO INCREASE THE TAX THAT YOU PAY.

Yepsen: MR. PATE, SHOULD WE RAISE THE STATE SALES TAX STATEWIDE?

Pate: I'M NOT A FAN OF THE SALES TAX, DAVID. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF IT'S THE ONLY OPTION THEY HAVE AVAILABLE BECAUSE OF ALL THE OTHER THINGS GOING ON, WHAT CHOICE DO THEY HAVE? I THINK AS LONG AS THE CITIZENS ARE THE ONES MAKING THE DECISION WITH THEIR OWN VOTE ON A REFERENDUM, IT'S STILL A VIABLE TOOL.

Glover: BUT THE PROPOSAL IS TO IMPOSE A SALES TAX STATEWIDE FROM THE LEGISLATURE, NOT THROUGH LOCAL OPTIONS. NOW, WHERE ARE YOU ON THAT?

Pate: I THINK THAT WE NEED TO DO A LOT MORE STUDYING ON THAT BEFORE WE JUMP ON THAT ONE.

Yepsen: I WANT TO TALK ABOUT METRO GOVERNMENT. MR. PATE, BOTH OF YOU HAVE MENTIONED THAT ISSUE HERE SOME. IN LINN COUNTY, RON CORBETT AND THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IS TALKING ABOUT A LINN COUNTY METROWIDE GOVERNMENT. IN POLK COUNTY, MAYOR DANIELS IS TALKING ABOUT IT. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT METRO GOVERNMENT IN LINN COUNTY? FOR IT? AGAINST IT?

Pate: WELL, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE ANYTIME YOU'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO BE MORE EFFICIENT. YOU OWE THE TAXPAYERS AN OBLIGATION TO LOOK AT WAYS TO MORE EFFECTIVE IN HOW YOU PROVIDE SERVICES AND WHETHER IT'S COST SAVINGS OR JUST IN GETTING THE SERVICE OUT. WE'VE DONE THAT TO SOME EXTENT ALREADY, WHETHER IT'S TALKING ABOUT OUR REGIONAL AIRPORT APPROACH, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR OTHER COMMUNITIES IN IOWA CITY AND CEDAR RAPIDS, WHETHER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BLUESTEMMING OUR LANDFILLS. THE DIFFICULT PART OF THIS IS THE STATE REALLY DOESN'T WANT US TO DO IT. THEY MAY SAY THEY DO BUT LOOK AT ALL THE LEGISLATIVE BARRIERS THEY HAVE IN PLACE. THE ONLY THING THEY'VE REALLY THROWN ANY MAJOR SENSE OVER THE YEARS IS THE 28-E AGREEMENT TO ENCOURAGE SOME OF US TO DO SOME THINGS. AFTER THAT, THERE'S REALLY BEEN NO INCENTIVE. THEY NEED TO HELP IF THEY REALLY WANT TO SEE US GO THAT DIRECTION.

Yepsen: MAYOR DANIELS, WHAT -- DO YOU NEED SOMETHING OUT OF THE LEGISLATURE TO CONTINUE MOVING YOUR PLAN FORWARD?

Daniels: NO. AT THIS TIME I THINK WE CAN MOVE OUR PLAN FORWARD.

Yepsen: GIVE US A STATUS REPORT ON WHERE YOU ARE WITH THAT. I KNOW YOU'RE TAKING A LOT OF HEAT FROM THE COUNTY COURTHOUSE FOLKS. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME FOLKS IN THE SUBURBS THAT DON'T LIKE THIS IDEA.

Daniels: I WEAR A CAVILER VEST WHEREVER I GO THESE DAYS. [ LAUGHTER ]

Yepsen: WELL, HOW IS IT COMING? ARE YOU REALLY FIGHTING AN UPHILL BATTLE HERE?

Daniels: I THINK -- REALLY YOU BREAK THIS INTO TWO ARENAS. ONE, THE GENERAL PUBLIC. AND I THINK POLLS HAVE SHOWN THAT SUPPORT A FORM OF METRO CONSOLIDATION BY 68 PERCENT. I THINK IF YOU WERE TO DO THAT SAME POLL AMONG ELECTED OFFICIALS, YOU WOULDN'T GET ONE PERCENT.

Yepsen: WELL, HOW DO YOU GET BEYOND PEOPLE PROTECTING THEIR TURF?

Daniels: I THINK YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT WE'VE DONE. WE'VE MOVED FORWARD WITH THIS INITIATIVE. WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET THE CHARTER COMMISSION FORM BACK UP. WE BELIEVE WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET SOMETHING SOLID THAT WILL COME FROM THE CHARTER COMMISSION AND THEN PUT IT TO THE REFERENDUM AND GET IT OUT IN FRONT OF PEOPLE. YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET IT TO THAT PROCESS IN A REFERENDUM FORM AND ALLOW THEM TO VOTE ON IT.

Glover: MAYOR DANIELS, IT'S OFTEN SAID, IN FACT, IT'S BECOME A CLICHE, THAT EVERYTHING CHANGED ON SEPTEMBER 11. HOW HAS THAT AFFECTED DES MOINES? DO YOU HAVE INCREASED SECURITY BUDGETS? DO YOU HAVE INCREASED POLICE OVERTIME BUDGETS? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR IT? HOW HAS IT CHANGED THINGS?

Daniels: I BELIEVE HERE IN THE MIDWEST, WE'VE NOT EXPERIENCED A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE. I KNOW THAT YOU HEAR ABOUT POLICE OFFICERS BEING OUT AT THE AIRPORT. THOSE ARE BEING PAID OUT OF AIRPORT FUNDS, NOT OUT OF CITY FUNDS, SO THERE IS OVERTIME FOR THEM, THOUGH IT'S PRIVATE OVERTIME FOR THEM. I THINK WE HAVE HAD TO RETHINK THOSE THINGS THAT WE MAYBE NEEDED TO RESPOND TO. AND AGAIN, WE ARE RESPONDERS. WE CANNOT PREVENT THINGS FROM OCCURRING IN THE LONG RUN, AND WE'VE HAD TO SIMPLY LOOK AT HOW WE'RE GOING TO RESPOND.

Glover: MAYOR PATE?

Pate: WE HAVE SEEN SOME IMPACT, AND OUR AIRPORT IS ONE OF THOSE IN RESPECT TO WE'VE LOST MAJOR PARKING AREAS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REPLACE, AND THOSE AREN'T INEXPENSIVE. SECURITY IS A PART OF IT. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THINGS WE NEED TO DO IN THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE READY TO DEAL WITH THESE KINDS OF SITUATIONS. RIGHT NOW AT KIRKWOOD COMMUNITY COLLEGE, WE'RE LOOKING AT TRANSFERRING OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TEAM OUT TO THAT SITE JUST SO WE ARE BETTER ABLE TO SERVICE SPECIAL NEEDS. AND THOSE ARE COSTS WE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

Yepsen: MR. PATE, WE ALWAYS LIKE TO TALK POLITICS ON THIS SHOW, AS YOU KNOW. IS YOUR ELECTION HERE THE START OF A PAUL PATE COMEBACK? YOU RAN FOR GOVERNOR AND LOST IN A PRIMARY IN '98. CAN WE EXPECT TO SEE YOU BACK ON THE STATEWIDE POLITICAL SCENE SOON?

Pate: I'M GOING TELL YOU, RUNNING FOR MAYOR WAS TOUGHER THAN ANY OFFICE I'VE EVER RUN FOR. YOU TALK ABOUT BARKING DOG ISSUES AND ABANDONED CARS AND WHETHER THE ROADS ARE GOING THROUGH YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I WILL TELL YOU, I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT FOR ANYONE WHO RUNS LOCALLY. SO, I DON'T THINK YOU'LL SEE PAUL PATE ON THE STATEWIDE TICKET. I'M STAYING FOCUSED ON DOING THE BEST JOB I CAN FOR CEDAR RAPIDS.

Yepsen: HOW ABOUT A CONGRESSIONAL RUN SOMEDAY?

Pate: AT THIS TIME, REALLY, THIS IS WHERE I'M AT. I'M ENJOYING WHAT I'M GOING TO DO, AND I'M GOING TO BE CALLING PRESTON NOW AND THEN TO GET A LITTLE SYMPATHY, SINCE HE'S NOW BEEN IDENTIFIED AS THE NUMBER ONE GUY. I'LL CALL AND SEE IF I CAN GET A LITTLE COUNSEL.

Yepsen: MAYOR DANIELS, SAME QUESTION TO YOU. YOU'RE OFTENTIMES MENTIONED AS A POSSIBLE CANDIDATE FOR CONGRESS. IS THAT IN YOUR FUTURE?

Daniels: WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT PEOPLE THINK THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. AT THIS TIME I'M SAYING THE SAME THINGS THAT PAUL IS SAYING. WE HAVE OUR PLATE FULL RIGHT NOW. WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THE THINGS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF US.

Yepsen: IF YOU GET A METRO GOVERNMENT IN PLACE, WILL YOU RUN FOR COUNTY MAYOR?

Daniels: THAT'S THE NEXT QUESTION EVERYBODY ASKS. AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TO GET IT IN PLACE. ONCE IT'S IN PLACE, THEN I CAN MAKE DETERMINATIONS AT THAT TIME, BUT RIGHT NOW I'M FOCUSED ON GETTING IT THERE.

Glover: WHAT'S THE POLITICAL CLIMATE IN THIS STATE HEADING INTO THE NEXT ELECTION? WHAT'S MOVING THE ELECTORATE?

Daniels: I BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE ARE READY FOR CHANGE. I BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE SOMEONE WHO WILL COME FORWARD AND BE A BOLD CHANGE AGENT, WHO WILL LAY OUT THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE NOT SEEN, WHO WILL STEP FORWARD AND SAY, "WE DON'T NEED 99 COUNTIES, LET'S GET IT DONE."

Borg: I HAVE TO BE BOLD HERE. WE'RE OUT OF TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GENTLEMEN, FOR TAKING TIME TO BE WITH US TODAY. THIS IS THE 30TH ANNIVERSARY YEAR FOR THIS PROGRAM, "IOWA PRESS," ON IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION, AND WE'RE USING IT TO GIVE YOU A GLIMPSE OF OUR PAST. IN THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN IN 1980, THERE WAS A CROWDED FIELD OF CONTENDERS SEEKING THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION. AMONG THEM, TENNESSEE SENATOR HOWARD BAKER, CAMPAIGNING ON REFOCUSING FOREIGN POLICY. IN THE DEPTHS OF THE IRANIAN HOSTAGE CRISIS, SENATOR BAKER VOICED SUPPORT FOR PRESIDENT JIMMY CARTER, BUT HE CRITICIZED PRESIDENT CARTER'S REACTION TO THE CRISIS. I'M DEAN BORG. THANKS FOR JOINING US TODAY.

Baker: I THINK PRESIDENT CARTER DESERVES, AND HE WILL HAVE FROM ME, THE SUPPORT THAT SHOULD FLOW TO A PRESIDENT WHO IS TRYING TO HANDLE A CRISIS. AND THAT'S SO WHETHER IT'S IN IRAN, WHERE I HAVE DECLINED TO CRITICIZE OR SECOND GUESS HIS HANDLING OF THE HOSTAGE SITUATION, OR IN AFGHANISTAN, WHERE I DECLINE TO EXPRESS A SECOND GUESS ON HOW IT SHOULD BE HANDLED, WITH ONE EXCEPTION. YOU'VE GOT TO LET HIM HANDLE IT. BUT I THINK HIS SPEECH, THE PRESIDENT'S SPEECH ON AFGHANISTAN CONFIRMED THE GROWING VIEW IN THE COUNTRY THAT THE PRESIDENT IS PRESIDING OVER A FAILED FOREIGN POLICY. I'VE ALWAYS SPOKEN-OUT PRETTY BOLDLY ON FOREIGN POLICY. AND MANY COLUMNISTS AND COMMENTATORS HAVE SAID, "WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT GOOD POLITICS. PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT "SALT" OR ABOUT THE SOVIET UNION OR ABOUT THE THREAT FROM ABROAD." AND MOST OF THE TIME THEY DON'T, BUT THEY DO NOW. NOW, I'VE GOT TO SAY THAT I EXPECT THAT BY THE TIME WE GET TO THE NATIONAL CONVENTION IN DETROIT THAT THAT WILL TURN AGAIN. I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE THAT INTERESTED IN FOREIGN POLICY.

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