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Iowa Press #2925
February 15 and 17, 2002

Borg: THE FIELD OF CONTENDERS SEEKING THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION FOR GOVERNOR HAS A NEW LOOK. DES MOINES ATTORNEY DOUG GROSS HAS TOSSED HIS HAT INTO THE RING, AND HE JOINS US TO DISCUSS HIS CANDIDACY ON THIS EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS."

ANNOUNCER: FUNDING FOR "IOWA PRESS" WAS PROVIDED BY FRIENDS OF IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION; AND BY THE IOWA BANKERS ASSOCIATION... FOR PERSONAL, BUSINESS, AND COMMERCIAL NEEDS, IOWA BANKS HELP IOWANS REACH THEIR FINANCIAL GOALS; AND BY THE ASSOCIATED GENERAL CONTRACTORS OF IOWA... THE PUBLIC'S PARTNER IN BUILDING IOWA'S HIGHWAY, BRIDGE, AND MUNICIPAL UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE.

STATEWIDE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION IS CELEBRATING THE 30TH ANNIVERSARY OF "IOWA PRESS," NOW SERVING THE STATE AS IOWA'S LONGEST RUNNING NEWS INTERVIEW PROGRAM. THIS IS THE FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 15 EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS." HERE IS DEAN BORG.

Borg: IOWA'S JUNE 4 PRIMARY ELECTION IS ONLY 110 DAYS AWAY OR SO. ONLY EIGHT MONTHS UNTIL THE GENERAL ELECTION NOVEMBER 5. IOWA'S FIVE SEATS IN THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ARE ON THAT BALLOT, AND THOSE ELECTIONS ARE NOW IN NEWLY CONFIGURED DISTRICTS. IOWANS WILL ALSO ELECT A U.S. SENATOR. FOR THOSE SERVING AT THE IOWA STATEHOUSE, TOO, ALL 100 STATE REPRESENTATIVES ARE ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT AND HALF THE IOWA SENATE UP FOR ELECTION. AGAIN, ALL THE SEATS IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE ARE IN NEW VOTING DISTRICTS, REAPPORTIONED ACCORDING TO THE 2000 CENSUS. AND THERE'S A CAMPAIGN FOR GOVERNOR. TOM VILSACK, THE FIRST DEMOCRAT TO BE GOVERNOR OF IOWA THE LAST THIRTY YEARS, IS UP FOR ELECTION. REPUBLICANS HAVE THREE CONTENDERS HOPING THEIR PARTY WILL CHOOSE THEM TO RECLAIM THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. DES MOINES ATTORNEY DOUG GROSS IS ONE OF THEM. HE'S NO STRANGER TO GUBERNATORIAL POLITICS. GROSS WAS FORMER GOVERNOR TERRY BRANSTAD'S CHIEF OF STAFF, AND HE WAS ALSO A STAFFER FOR FORMER GOVERNOR ROBERT RAY AND FOR CONGRESSMAN TOM TAUKEE. BUT FOR MR. GROSS IT'S A FIRST TRY TO BE ELECTED HIMSELF. TO CAMPAIGN AGAINST INCUMBENT GOVERNOR TOM VILSACK, HIS PARTY MUST FIRST CHOOSE HIM OVER THE OTHER TWO REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES. STATE SENATOR STEVE SUKUP IS ONE OF THEM. THE OTHER IS SIOUX CITY EXECUTIVE BOB VANDERPLAATS. MR. GROSS, WELCOME BACK TO IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION.

Gross: GOOD TO BE HERE, DEAN.

Borg: AND ALSO WITH US HERE AT THE "IOWA PRESS" TABLE: "DES MOINES REGISTER" POLITICAL COLUMNIST DAVID YEPSEN, AND "ASSOCIATED PRESS" STATEHOUSE REPORTER MIKE GLOVER.

Glover: MR. GROSS, WHEN WE GET A NEW CANDIDATE OUT HERE, WE LIKE TO LET THEM MAKE THEIR CASE, SO GIVE US YOUR COMMERCIAL. WHY ARE YOU RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR?

Gross: WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH, MIKE. I APPRECIATE THAT OPPORTUNITY. I'M RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR BASICALLY BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE THE STATE OF IOWA GROW AGAIN. IN ORDER FOR TO US GROW AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO NEED VERY STRONG LEADERSHIP FROM STATE GOVERNMENT. UNFORTUNATELY, IT APPEARS TO ME IN THE PAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS WE'VE JUST NOT HAD THAT LEADERSHIP. I BELIEVE WITH MY COMBINATION OF EXPERIENCE IN BOTH THE PUBLIC AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR, I KNOW HOW THINGS WORK, I CAN MAKE THINGS HAPPEN AND, AS A RESULT OF THAT, I THINK I CAN RALLY IOWANS AND HELP US GROW AGAIN.

Yepsen: WHO IS DOUG GROSS?

Yepsen: THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, DAVID. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ASKING THAT QUESTION. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THAT AS WELL. DOUG GROSS IS A NATIVE-BORNE IOWAN. GREW UP OVER IN DEFIANCE, IOWA; A TOWN OF 392... 391 WHEN I LEFT. I GREW UP IN AN AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY. MY DAD WAS A MECHANIC AND WE ALSO FARMED. FOURTH KID IN A FAMILY OF TEN, SO I HAD TO GRAB THE FOOD QUICK OR IT WAS GONE. THEN WENT FROM THERE TO HARLAN HIGH SCHOOL WHERE I GRADUATED AND IOWA WESLEYAN COLLEGE WHERE I GRADUATED. WORKED FOR TOM TAUKEE; HELPED CO-MANAGE HIS FIRST CAMPAIGN FOR CONGRESS AND WORKED WITH HIM IN D.C. MY WIFE, EILEEN, IS FROM CALIFORNIA. SHE DECIDED WHEN SHE BECAME PREGNANT THAT WE WERE GOING TO RAISE OUR FAMILY IN IOWA, AND I CONCURRED. AND WE'VE NEVER REGRETTED IT A DAY. SO WE CAME BACK TO IOWA, WORKED FOR GOVERNOR RAY, WAS HIS CHIEF LEGISLATIVE ASSISTANT. I WAS THE CHIEF OF STAFF TO TERRY BRANSTAD. I'VE BEEN IN PRIVATE PRACTICE FOR THE LAST THIRTEEN YEARS AND BEEN THE MANAGING PARTNER OF THE THIRD LARGEST LAW FIRM IN IOWA FOR THE LAST SIX. THAT'S KIND OF MY RESUME, DAVID.

Borg: I, IN INTRODUCING YOU, SAID THAT YOU MUST FIRST -- IN ORDER TO RUN AGAINST TOM VILSACK, YOU MUST FIRST DEFEAT TWO OTHER PEOPLE. WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE TWO PEOPLE I NAMED: STEVE SUKUP AND BOB VANDERPLAATS?

Gross: NOTHING IS WRONG WITH THEM. THEY'RE FRIENDS OF MINE, DEAN. I THINK WHAT WE NEED IS SOMEONE WHO CAN ARTICULATE A VISION FOR THE STATE AND CAN GO TOE-TO-TOE WITH TOM VILSACK. WE NEED, IN IOWA, DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE STATE AND THE DIRECTION OF THE STATE AND THE DIRECTION THAT STATE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO GO. I THINK THAT I CAN ARTICULATE THAT VISION AND I THINK I CAN GO TOE-TO-TOE WITH TOM VILSACK AND I THINK I CAN WIN IN THE FALL.

Glover: THIS PRIMARY HAS GOTTEN A LITTLE LIVELY SINCE YOU GOT INTO IT. THERE'S BEEN SOME EXCHANGES LAUNCHED. I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE NEGATIVES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP ABOUT YOU, PRIMARILY FROM REPRESENTATIVE SUKUP. HE SAYS, (A) YOU'RE A LOBBYIST, A POLITICAL INSIDER WHO HAS PLAYED ON YOUR INFLUENCE IN STATE GOVERNMENT TO MAKE MONEY FOR YOURSELF AND WIN FAVORS FOR YOUR CLIENTS. HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO "YOU'RE AN INSIDER"?

Gross: WELL, I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN TO THE PEOPLE OF IOWA WHO I AM, AS DAVID INDICATED EARLIER, AND MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT I'M A PRODUCT OF IOWA, A PRODUCT OF RURAL IOWA. I UNDERSTAND HOW IOWANS THINK AND HOW THEY ACT AND WHAT THEY WANT FOR THEMSELVES. WHAT THEY WANT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEIR KIDS AND THEIR GRANDKIDS TO HAVE GOOD JOBS SO THEY CAN STAY CLOSE TO HOME, AND WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT IN A LONG TIME. IN TERMS OF THE CHARGES, I'M GLAD THAT I'VE ENERGIZED THE REPUBLICAN RACE. I THINK WE NEEDED SOME ENERGY. WE NEED ENERGY IN THIS RACE IF WE'RE GOING TO BEAT TOM VILSACK. I THINK OUR FOCUS OUGHT TO BE ON TOM VILSACK AND WHY WE NEED A NEW GOVERNOR. AND I BELIEVE I HAVE THE ABILITY, MIKE, TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN, TO GET THINGS DONE. I'M NOT GOING TO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT ABILITY. WHAT I WANT TO DO IS USE THOSE SKILLS AND THOSE RESOURCES FOR THE PEOPLE OF IOWA. THAT'S WHAT I OFFER.

Glover: THE SECOND CHARGE THAT'S BEEN LEVELED AGAINST YOU IS THAT YOU HAVE VERY, VERY CLOSE TIES TO THE GAMBLING INDUSTRY. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN YOUR TIES TO THE GAMBLING INDUSTRY TO SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?

Gross: WELL, PERSONALLY I'M VERY OPPOSED TO GAMBLING. I'VE NEVER GAMBLED A DAY OR A PENNY IN MY LIFE, AND I'VE GOT CONCERNS ABOUT IT AND ITS IMPACT ON PEOPLE. SECONDLY, IN TERMS OF THE RELATIONSHIPS I'VE HAD WITH THE RIVERBOATS -- IN THE CASE OF DUBUQUE, I HAD A SITUATION THERE WHERE I HAD A GROUP OF LOCAL FOLKS, LOCAL INVESTORS WHO WERE TRYING TO SAVE THOSE 500 JOBS THEY HAD UP THERE RELATED TO THAT RIVERBOAT, BECAUSE THEY HAD BEEN IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY HAD GOTTEN SOMEONE INVOLVED IN THAT THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN INVOLVED, AND THEY WERE NOT COMPLYING WITH THE REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS. I MADE CERTAIN THAT WE GOT THE BAD PEOPLE OUT AND WE GOT GOOD MANAGEMENT IN. AND WE WERE ABLE TO SELL THAT FACILITY SO THEY MORE THAN MADE THEIR MONEY ON THAT INVESTMENT. I'M PROUD OF BEING ABLE TO HELP SAVE THOSE JOBS AND HELP THOSE FOLKS IN DUBUQUE, AND I DON'T APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

Yepsen: ANOTHER CHARGE MADE IS YOU'VE REPRESENTED BIG HOG LOTS AND REPUBLICANS SHOULDN'T NOMINATE A LAWYER CANDIDATE WITH THAT KIND OF BAGGAGE. HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT CHARGE?

Gross: YOU KNOW, DAVID, GROWING UP, I LITERALLY SLOPPED THE HOGS. GOING TO SCHOOL, PROBABLY THE ONLY -- NOW THAT I THINK OF IT, I'M PROBABLY THE ONLY PERSON WHO'S EVER RUN FOR GOVERNOR OF IOWA THAT'S ACTUALLY WORKED IN A PACKING PLANT. THAT'S HOW I HELPED PROVIDE MY WAY THROUGH SCHOOL, THROUGH COLLEGE. I'VE GOT CLIENTS AND I'VE WORKED WITH PEOPLE AND I'VE GOT FRIENDS THAT ARE SMALL PRODUCERS, LARGE PRODUCERS, PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT FACILITIES, PEOPLE WHO DO WANT FACILITIES. WHEN I WAS WITH GOVERNOR TERRY BRANSTAD, I WAS INVOLVED WITH MAKING CERTAIN THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE LARGE FACILITIES RIGHT NEXT TO THE MOST POPULAR STATE PARK IN THE STATE, LEDGES STATE PARK. AND I THINK THIS ISSUE IS LIKE MOST ISSUES IN THE STATE, IT REQUIRES SOME BALANCE. THE HOG INDUSTRY IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO IOWA. IT'S THE NUMBER ONE AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRY IN OUR STATE. SO WE NEED TO MAKE CERTAIN WE DON'T DO ANYTHING TO DRIVE IT OUT. WHEN I TALK ABOUT DRIVING IT OUT, I THINK ABOUT THE 35-YEAR-OLD FARMER, THE SON OF A FARMER, WHERE THE ONLY WAY HE CAN STAY ON THAT LAND IS BY RAISING HOGS. I DON'T WANT TO DRIVE HIS COST UP SO HIGH THAT HE NO LONGER CAN STAY IN THE BUSINESSES. AT THE SAME TIME, DAVID, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE BALANCE THAT AGAINST THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES THAT ARE REAL. I THINK WE BALANCE THAT AGAINST THE CONCENTRATION ISSUES THAT ARE REAL AND THE CONTROL ISSUES THAT ARE REAL.

Yepsen: ALL RIGHT. HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THIS BAGGAGE ISSUE? MIKE BROUGHT UP A COUPLE. THERE'S THE HOG ISSUE. YOUR OPPONENTS ARE SAYING, "HE'S A LOBBYIST, HE'S TIED TO GAMBLING INTERESTS, HE REPRESENTED BIG HOG LOTS, AND WE AS REPUBLICANS DON'T WANT TO NOMINATE A CANDIDATE WITH THAT KIND OF BACKGROUND." WHAT DO YOU SAY TO A REPUBLICAN WHO'S CONCERNED ABOUT THAT KIND OF A BACKGROUND?

Gross: AS I RECALL, DAVID, I HAD A CHANCE TO READ THE JOHN ADAMS -- DAVID MCCULLAH'S BIOGRAPHY OF JOHN ADAMS THIS SUMMER. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU FOLKS HAD A CHANCE TO READ THAT. BUT IT WAS INSPIRATIONAL TO ME AND, IN SOME RESPECTS, HELPED ME DECIDE TO ACTUALLY RUN, GIVEN THE KIND OF SACRIFICE HE AND HIS FAMILY MADE FOR THE GOOD OF THE REPUBLIC AT OUR FOUNDING. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DAVID MCCULLAH TALKS ABOUT WITH JOHN ADAMS IS THAT JOHN ADAMS, AT THE FOUNDING OF OUR COUNTRY, ACTUALLY REPRESENTED THE BRITISH IN THE BOSTON MASSACRE. HE DID IT BECAUSE IT WAS HIS JOB, IT WAS HIS RESPONSIBILITY. HE DID IT EFFECTIVELY AND HE DID IT APPROPRIATELY. BUT NO ONE HAS EVER ACCUSED JOHN ADAMS OF NOT BEING A PATRIOT, OKAY. MY JOB -- MY JOB AS AN ATTORNEY IS TO REPRESENT MY CLIENTS FAIRLY AND EFFECTIVELY. I'VE DONE THAT. WHAT I WANT TO DO, DAVID -- WHAT I WANT TO DO FOR THE PEOPLE OF IOWA IS REPRESENT ALL OF THEM FAIRLY AND EFFECTIVELY, AND I THINK I CAN DO THAT.

Yepsen: WELL, JOHN ADAMS ALSO HELD PUBLIC OFFICE BEFORE THE NATION MADE HIM PRESIDENT. NOW, YOU'VE NEVER EVEN RUN FOR OFFICE, AND YOU'RE ASKING IOWANS TO MAKE YOU GOVERNOR.

Gross: I THINK IF IOWANS UNDERSTAND WHO I AM AND WHAT I'M ABOUT AND UNDERSTAND THAT MY INTERESTS ARE THEIR INTERESTS -- MY INTEREST IS HELPING THIS STATE GROW. AND I'VE WORKED WITH PEOPLE ALL ACROSS THE STATE, IN MY PRIVATE PRACTICE AND MY GOVERNMENT PRACTICE, TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE CAN HELP THIS STATE GROW. AND I WANT MY PRIMARY MISSION, MY PRIMARY FOCUS TO BE THAT.

Glover: SINCE YOU HAVEN'T RUN FOR OFFICE BEFORE, YOU'RE NOT ON RECORD ON A LOT OF ISSUES TO REPORT TO A LOT OF IOWANS. LET'S GO THROUGH SOME OF THOSE. WHAT'S YOUR POSITION ON ABORTION RIGHTS?

Gross: I'M PRO-LIFE.

Glover: IN ALL CASES?

Gross: WE'VE GOT THE EXISTING LAW THAT PROVIDES FOR RAPE, INCEST, AND LIFE-OF-THE-MOTHER EXCEPTIONS. AND THOSE -- I WOULDN'T CHANGE THOSE EXISTING REQUIREMENTS; HOWEVER, I AM PRO-LIFE. I BELIEVE IN STATISTICAL REPORTING AND I'M AGAINST, FRANKLY -- IN ANY WAY WE CAN, WE NEED TO PROMOTE ADOPTION AND WE NEED TO AVOID SITUATIONS WHERE WE HAVE ABORTION IN EVERY CASE WE POSSIBLY CAN.

Glover: BUT YOU WOULDN'T CHANGE CURRENT STATE LAW?

Gross: I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CURRENT STATE LAW.

Glover: WHAT'S YOUR POSITION ON THE DEATH SENTENCE? WOULD YOU REINSTATE THE DEATH SENTENCE IF YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY?

Gross: I WOULD.

Glover: FOR WHAT CASES?

Gross: I THINK -- I HAVEN'T HAD THE CHANCE TO FORMALIZE A SPECIFIC POSITION ON THAT, MIKE, IN TERMS OF THE SPECIFIC EXCEPTIONS THAT MIGHT EXIST. BUT GENERALLY, FIRST-DEGREE MURDER SHOULD BE -- FIRST-DEGREE MURDER SHOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE DEATH SENTENCE IN APPROPRIATE CIRCUMSTANCES WITH THE APPROPRIATE SAFEGUARDS.

Yepsen: YOU TALKED ABOUT THE ECONOMY. POLLS SHOW VOTERS CARE ABOUT THAT ISSUE MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO GET IOWA'S ECONOMY MOVING AGAIN?

Gross: DAVID, THERE'S A LOT OF EXCITING THINGS HAPPENING IN IOWA AND THAT IOWANS ARE DOING OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. WHAT WE NEED IS A FOCUS ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND GOOD JOB CREATION AT THE STATE LEVEL TO HELP REALIZE ALL THAT POTENTIAL. THERE'S A STUDY THAT THE IOWA BUSINESS COUNCIL DID JUST RECENTLY THAT THEY ISSUED THAT I THINK HITS IT PRETTY WELL ON THE HEAD -- HITS THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. THEY TALK ABOUT THE NEED TO FOCUS ON THINGS THAT IOWA ALREADY DOES WELL. SOME OF THE THINGS WE ALREADY DO WELL ARE WE GROW THINGS BETTER THAN ANYPLACE IN THE WORLD. SO LIFE SCIENCES AND USING BIOTECHNOLOGY TO GROW THINGS AND PROCESS THEM OUGHT TO BE ONE OF OUR PRIMARY FOCUS IN THE STATE. WE HAVE A STRONG FINANCIAL SERVICES AND INSURANCE INDUSTRY. THE WAY THAT CAME ABOUT, DAVID, WAS A RESULT OF STABLE REGULATION AND A COMPETITIVE TAX CLIMATE. WE NEED TO DO THE SAME THING IN OTHER INDUSTRIES WHERE WE HAVE A COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE. THAT KIND OF DIRECTION TOWARD CLUSTERS OF INDUSTRIES WHERE WE HAVE COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE WILL ALLOW OUR STATE TO GROW.

Yepsen: WHAT DO YOU SAY TO A SMALL IOWA TOWN? YOU KNOW THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO BE AN INSURANCE CAPITAL OF ANYTHING? HOW DO YOU GET THEM GOING?

Gross: A SMALL IOWA TOWN LIKE DEFIANCE -- RIGHT NOW ON MAIN STREET OF DEFIANCE, THEY'RE PROCESSING HONEY THAT'S BEING USED BY FARMLAND PLANTS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. THEY'RE PRODUCING AIR FILTERS THAT ARE BEING USED ALL OVER THE WORLD. WHETHER YOU'RE A TOWN OF 390 OR 392,000, ALL IOWA TOWNS AND ALL IOWA COMMUNITIES CAN SHARE IN OUR PROSPERITY IF WE FOCUS ON OUR STRENGTHS AND WE MAKE OURSELVES COMPETITIVE FROM THE TAX STANDPOINT.

Glover: LET'S GET YOU TO FEEL A LITTLE BIT OF THE PAIN THAT'S GOING AROUND THE STATEHOUSE THESE DAYS. THE STATE HAS ABOUT $120-MILLION BUDGET SHORTFALL THIS YEAR. GOVERNOR VILSACK HAS SUGGESTED DIPPING INTO STATE CASH RESERVES TO COVER THAT SHORTFALL. REPUBLICANS ARE LEERY OF THAT BUT THEY SAY THEY PROBABLY WILL DO A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, ALONG WITH SOME CUTTING. IF YOU WERE A PLAYER IN THIS SITUATION, HOW WOULD YOU SOLVE THIS PROBLEM?

Gross: I THINK THAT THE PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH THE BUDGET TODAY IS ONE OF MISMANAGEMENT. IF YOU LOOK BACK AT -- STARTING IN DECEMBER OF 2000, STATE REVENUES WERE ALREADY FALLING BELOW PROJECTIONS AT THAT TIME, AND THEY'VE BEEN CONSISTENT EVER SINCE THAT TIME, MIKE. DESPITE THAT FACT, GOVERNOR VILSACK HAS CONSISTENTLY REFUSED TO FACE THE BUDGET MUSIC AND CUT THE BUDGET AND CUT THE SPENDING THAT'S NECESSARY. EVEN IN HIS PROPOSED BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR WHERE HE SAYS THAT BASICALLY SPENDING IS ONLY GOING UP A MINISCUAL PERCENT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRANSFER OF REVENUES, IT'S ACTUALLY GOING UP ALMOST 5 PERCENT IN ACTUAL SPENDING. AT SOME POINT -- THE WAY IN WHICH TO SOLVE THIS BUDGET PROBLEM IS TO DEVELOP A LONG-TERM STRATEGY, A TWO- OR THREE-YEAR BUDGET THAT PROJECTS THE LIKELY OUTYEAR COSTS OF GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS AND COMMITMENTS THAT ARE BEING MADE TODAY, AND MAKE CERTAIN WE GET THE REVENUE -- OR GET THE EXPENDITURE LINE BACK DOWN WITH THE REVENUE LINE. WE SHOULD NOT RAISE TAXES. I'M ALSO OPPOSED TO USING ONE-TIME REVENUES LIKE THE EMERGENCY RESERVE FUNDS FOR ONGOING EXPENDITURES. IF WE HAD USED THE EMERGENCY FUND EVERY TIME GOVERNOR VILSACK WANTED US TO USE IT, IT WOULD BE IN A DEFICIT POSITION TODAY.

Glover: SO YOU WOULD COVER THE $120-MILLION SHORTFALL BY CUTTING $120 MILLION IN STATE SPENDING?

Gross: I THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE SPENDING SIDE, MIKE. I THINK YOU HAVE TO BECAUSE WE'RE CLEARLY SPENDING MORE MONEY THAN THE PEOPLE OF IOWA CAN AFFORD TO PAY IN TAXES.

Yepsen: WELL, SPECIFICALLY WHAT WOULD YOU CUT TO GET TO $120 MILLION?

Gross: WELL, YOU KNOW IT'S LIKE YOU ASK WHY PEOPLE ROB BANKS; BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY IS. WELL, IF YOU WANT TO CUT THE BUDGET, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHERE THE MONEY IS SPENT. ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS ABOUT GOVERNOR VILSACK'S BUDGET IS HE SAYS EDUCATION IS HIS TOP PRIORITY YET, DESPITE THAT FACT, HE CUTS ALLOWABLE GROWTH FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY TO LOCAL SCHOOLS DOWN TO ONE PERCENT, DOESN'T EVEN FULLY FUND THAT. THE REST OF IT HAS TO GO TO PROPERTY TAXES. HE SAYS THAT'S THE HIGHEST SPENDING PRIORITY IN HIS BUDGET, THE $59 MILLION, DAVID. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT HIS BUDGET, YOU KNOW WHERE THE HIGHEST NUMBER IS? THE HIGHEST NUMBER IS IN PAYING FOR THE STATE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING SALARY INCREASES, AN $80-MILLION NUT THAT THEY HAVE TO CRACK NEXT YEAR. IN FACT, IT'S LITTLE KNOWN AND NOT TALKED ABOUT, BUT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT A 7-PERCENT INCREASE FOR STATE PUBLIC EMPLOYEES IN COLLECTIVE BARGAINING UNITS, 7-PERCENT SALARY INCREASE STARTING NEXT FEBRUARY, AT A TIME WHERE THE STATE IS HAVING TO LAY PEOPLE OFF AND CAN'T MAKE ITS SCHOOL AID PAYMENTS ON TIME.

Borg: YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STATE EMPLOYEES, PER SE, AND NOT THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING TO INCLUDE SCHOOLS AND UNI?

Gross: I'M TALKING ABOUT STATE EMPLOYEES, ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE BIGGEST INCREASE IN THE STATE BUDGET IS. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE THE SPENDING COST, WE'VE GOT TO FOCUS ON THAT SALARY COST. AND INSTEAD OF PUTTING ALL YOUR ADDITIONAL MONEY THE STATE IS GETTING ON INCREASING SALARIES, WE OUGHT TO FOCUS ON WAYS TO REDUCE THAT. THE SECOND ISSUE THAT YOU ASKED ABOUT WHERE WE NEED TO DO, YOU LOOK AT THE MEDICAID PROGRAM, DAVID, AND WE COULD BE $100 MILLION OVER THE --

Yepsen: WHO DO YOU KICK OUT OF THAT?

Gross: -- EXPENDITURE. WELL, WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH THE MEDICAID PROGRAM IS TO MANAGE IT, OKAY. WHEN GOVERNOR VILSACK GOT INTO OFFICE WITH THE MEDICAID PROGRAM, THEY IMMEDIATELY INCREASED ELIGIBILITY AND THEY ADDED SERVICES WITHOUT ANY KIND OF CONTROLS OVER EXPENDITURES. SO IN EFFECT, THE PROGRAM RAN THE BUDGET INSTEAD OF THE BUDGET RUNNING THE PROGRAM. YOU NEED TO PUT IN PLACE REASONABLE CONTROLS TO MANAGE THAT PROGRAM TO THE BUDGET THAT'S AVAILABLE.

Yepsen: AND HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THE CHARGE THAT IF YOU REPUBLICANS DO THAT SORT OF STUFF, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SCHOOLS HAVING TO LAY OFF TEACHERS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NURSING HOMES TELLING SENIOR CITIZENS THEY CAN'T SERVE THEM ANYMORE, THAT YOU'RE COLD-HEARTED?

Gross: NO, DAVID, I THINK IT'S THE OPPOSITE. I THINK WHAT STATE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO DO, IF IT'S GOING TO HAVE INTEGRITY, IF IT'S GOING TO BE CAPABLE OF CARRYING OUT SERVICES AND HAVE THE RESPECT OF THE CITIZENS, IS TO DO THINGS THAT IT SAYS IT'S GOING TO DO, NOT TO MAKE FALSE PROMISES.

Glover: BUT HOW DO YOU --

Gross: WHEN WE MAKE PROMISES TO LOCAL SCHOOLS THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE ALLOWABLE GROWTH INCREASES AND THEN WE CUT THEM BY 75 PERCENT AND THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY CUTTING THEM AGAIN 3/4 OF THE WAY THROUGH THE FISCAL YEAR, HOW DO YOU MANAGE THE SCHOOL? WE ARE AT GREAT RISK OF HARMING STATE GOVERNMENT IN A BIG WAY UNLESS WE GET THIS BUDGET UNDER CONTROL AND MANAGE IT FOR THE LONG-TERM. ALL WE HAVE TODAY IS BUDGET DE JURE. EVERY DAY THERE'S A NEW BUDGET. EVERY DAY THEY'D GET UP AND LOOK AT THE REVENUE ESTIMATES AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT DAY. IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND IN ANY LARGE ORGANIZATION THAT'S MANAGED EFFECTIVELY, YOU BUDGET LONG-TERM AND YOU BUDGET FOR THE DOWNSIDE. THE UPSIDE IS GRAVY. THE DOWNSIDE IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO MANAGE.

Glover: BUT DAVID RAISES A POINT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ANSWER ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. IF YOU DO THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, YOU'RE GOING TO FACE THE CHARGE THAT YOU'RE THROWING OLD PEOPLE OUT OF NURSING HOMES, YOU'RE FORCING STUDENTS INTO LARGER CLASSES, YOU'RE HURTING SCHOOLS, YOU'RE HURTING OLD PEOPLE, YOU'RE HURTING POOR PEOPLE. HOW DO YOU ANSWER THAT CHARGE POLITICALLY? THE GOVERNOR IS OUT THERE MAKING IT RIGHT NOW.

Gross: I THINK THE WAY YOU ANSWER IT IS -- I DON'T MAKE FALSE PROMISES. IF I'M ELECTED GOVERNOR, IF I TELL YOU SOMETHING, I'M GOING TO KEEP MY WORD, OKAY? I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU I'M GOING TO INCREASE YOUR BUDGET IF I CAN'T DO IT. I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU I'M GOING TO GIVE THE TEACHERS A PAY RAISE IF I CAN'T DO IT. ALL THAT DOES IS RUINS THE INTEGRITY AND EFFECTIVENESS OF GOVERNMENT, AND THERE'S SOME THINGS GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO DO REALLY WELL IN THIS STATE. THE TWO THINGS I WANT TO PRIMARILY FOCUS ON IS HELPING THE STATE GROW AND CREATE JOBS -- AND RIGHT NOW OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT IS DESIMATED -- AND THE SECOND IS EDUCATING OUR KIDS. WE'RE ALL PRODUCTS HERE, I'M SURE, OF IOWA'S PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM. THAT'S OUR TICKET TO OPPORTUNITY. RIGHT NOW THOSE ARE BEING HURT AND HURT BADLY, AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT CONTINUE TO HAPPEN.

Borg: I WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT PRIMARY FOCUS YOU JUST MENTIONED ON HELPING IOWA GROW. SOME SAY IOWA LAGS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE A COMMON VISION AND THEY CAN'T DEVELOP A CONSENSUS IN THIS STATE BECAUSE OF THE RURAL/URBAN SPLIT. HOW WOULD YOU BRIDGE THAT?

Gross: THE IOWA I GREW UP IN DIDN'T HAVE THOSE KINDS OF PROBLEMS. WE HAD RURAL/URBAN SPLITS BUT WE WERE ABLE TO TO SIT DOWN AND WORK OUR WAY THROUGH PROBLEMS AND MANAGE THEM. AND I DON'T BELIEVE IOWA TODAY IS ANY DIFFERENT. I THINK WE CAN MANAGE OUR PROBLEMS. I THINK THEY'RE SOLVABLE AND I THINK THERE'S HOPE FOR ALL OF US. NOW, THE BEST WAY TO DEAL WITH A RURAL/URBAN SPLIT, DEAN, IS TO NOT PRESIDE OVER DECLINE BUT TO ENERGIZE GROWTH. AND IF I'M GOVERNOR, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. THE BEST WAY TO HELP RURAL IOWA AND THE BEST WAY TO HELP URBAN IOWA IS TO HELP THEM GROW -- HELP THEM BOTH GROW, AND WE CAN DO IT.

Yepsen: NOW, YOUR OPPONENTS ARE SAYING, "YOU'RE A DES MOINES LAWYER. WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT RURAL IOWA?"

Gross: WELL, I GREW UP THERE. I WAS EDUCATED THERE. MY FAMILY LIVES THERE. AND I ALSO, BY THE WAY, HAPPEN TO FARM JUST SOUTH OF WINTERSET, SO I HAVE A VERY CLEAR -- I HAVE A COW/CALF HERD DOWN THERE, SO I HAVE A VERY CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THE ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH RURAL IOWA. AND FRANKLY, LIKE MOST IOWANS, WE'RE PRODUCTS OF RURAL IOWA. YOU KNOW, OUR HEARTS ARE STILL THERE; OUR EMOTIONS ARE STILL THERE; YOU KNOW, OUR FEELINGS ARE STILL THERE. WE DON'T WANT TO AND I DON'T WANT TO -- AND I SHARE THIS WITH IOWANS -- I DON'T WANT TO SEE A SITUATION LIKE WHERE WE HAVE IN DEFIANCE WHERE WHEN I GREW UP WE HAD TWO GAS STATIONS, TWO GROCERY STORES, AND TODAY WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THEM. WE'VE GOT TO DO SOME THINGS TO TURN THAT AROUND, AND I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BELIEVE WE CAN'T DO IT. I KNOW WE CAN. I KNOW WE CAN.

Yepsen: I WANT TO GO BACK TO SOME OF THE ISSUES. AFTER THE ECONOMY POLLS TELL US IOWANS CARE ABOUT K-12 EDUCATION, WHAT WOULD GOVERNOR DOUG GROSS DO TO IMPROVE LOCAL SCHOOLS?

Gross: WELL, THE FIRST THING WE SHOULD DO IS WE OUGHT TO TAKE THE TEACHER COMPENSATION PLAN THAT WAS PASSED LAST YEAR -- IT WAS A LANDMARK PIECE OF LEGISLATION TO THE LEGISLATURE -- AND THE GOVERNOR SIGNED, AND FUND IT. WE SHOULD FUND IT SO WE SHOULD MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE CAN INDEED HAVE A PERFORMANCE BASED PAY SYSTEM THAT REPLACES THE SENIORITY SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE STATE. THAT WAS A MAJOR PIECE OF REFORM THAT NEEDS TO ACTUALLY OCCUR. WE OUGHT TO ACCOMPLISH THOSE THINGS. THE SECOND THING WE NEED TO DO, DAVID, IS MAKE CERTAIN THAT PROMISES WE MAKE TO SCHOOL DISTRICTS WE KEEP SO THEY CAN COUNT ON IT AND THEY CAN MANAGE IT. THE THIRD THING WE NEED TO DO IN TERMS OF LOCAL SCHOOLS IS MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE'RE GETTING WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. THE STATE IS PROVIDING A SIGNIFICANT SHARE OF THE MONEY TO LOCAL SCHOOLS. WE'VE GOT TO LOOK TO SEE ARE WE GETTING THE KIND OF RESULTS THAT WE WANT, BECAUSE WHAT OFTEN HAPPENS IN MANY, MANY SYSTEMS THAT I'VE DEALT WITH AND MANAGED OVER TIME, YOU EXPECT WHAT YOU INSPECT. WHATEVER YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR IS THE WAY YOU CAN DRIVE CHANGE IN THE SYSTEM. WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A STATEWIDE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE RIGHT KIND OF OUTCOMES THAT WE WANT FOR OUR SCHOOLS AND PUT THEM IN PLACE SO THAT PEOPLE -- WE CAN COMMUNICATE WITH PEOPLE WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GETTING THEM. AND I THINK THAT WILL DRIVE CHANGE IN OUR LOCAL SCHOOL SYSTEMS.

Glover: THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AT PLAY AT THE STATEHOUSE THIS YEAR AND LAST YEAR. ONE IS THE STATE'S BOTTLE DEPOSIT LAW. WOULD YOU PUSH FOR CHANGES IN THE BOTTLE DEPOSIT LAW?

Gross: I'VE SUPPORTED THE BOTTLE DEPOSIT LAW.

Glover: THE SECOND ISSUE THAT'S IN PLAY IN THE ENVIRONMENT IS HOG LOTS. YOU TALKED ABOUT THEM EARLIER. THERE'S A WORKING GROUP AT THE STATEHOUSE RIGHT NOW LOOKING AT THAT ISSUE. WHAT WILL YOU SUGGEST THEY DO?

Gross: MR. SUGGESTION -- THERE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT CAN BE MADE IN TERMS OF THE CURRENT REGULATIONS IN HOG LOTS. FOR EXAMPLE, I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE BUILT ON FLOODPLAINS. I DON'T THINK THAT MAKES ANY SENSE. I THINK THE EPA IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS IS GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTING A PHOSPHORUS STANDARD, AND I THINK WHAT WE OUGHT TO DO AT THE STATE LEVEL IS ANTICIPATE THAT AND MAKE CERTAIN THAT IT'S DONE IN A WAY THAT'S SCIENTIFICALLY SOUND AND BASED ON GOOD SCIENCE. WE NEED TO ANTICIPATE THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. THERE ARE SOME PLACES IN THE STATE WHERE THERE'S PROBABLY TOO MUCH CONCENTRATION IN TERMS OF LOCATION OF FACILITIES NEXT TO EACH OTHER OR NEXT TO FACILITIES. WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT SEPARATION AND ADJACENCY ISSUES. I THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT COULD AND SHOULD BE LOOKED AT.

Glover: WOULD YOU LET LOCAL OFFICIALS HAVE A VOICE IN WHERE THEY'RE SITED?

Gross: SURE, THEY SHOULD HAVE A VOICE; HOWEVER -- I TALKED ABOUT THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY BEFORE. ONE OF THE REASONS THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY GREW IN IOWA -- AND WE WERE PART OF THIS BACK IN THE '80S -- IS YOU CREATE A STABLE REGULATORY CLIMATE AND YOU MAKE YOURSELF TAX COMPETITIVE. WELL, THE HOG INDUSTRY IS THE MOST -- THE LARGEST INDUSTRY AND, IN MANY CASES, ECONOMICALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT INDUSTRY IN RURAL IOWA. YOU NEED A STABLE REGULATORY CLIMATE. WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS YOU NEED TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT LOCAL PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE -- NOT JUST FEEL BUT "DO" HAVE INPUT INTO THE DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE. BUT THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO NEED TO BE MADE AT THE STATE LEVEL IN TERMS OF SITING SO THAT YOU HAVE CONSISTENT AND SOUND SCIENTIFICALLY BASED DECISIONS. IF THAT CAN BE DONE, THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE CAN'T BE SENSITIVE TO THE NEEDS OF LOCAL PEOPLE AND LOCAL COMMUNITIES AND AT THE SAME TIME MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE DON'T STRANGLE THAT INDUSTRY. YOU KNOW, I'VE READ SOME STORIES ABOUT TOM DOHR. TOM, WHO'S A BRIGHT, BRIGHT GUY AND HOPEFULLY WILL GET CONFIRMED BY THE U.S. SENATE, BUT I THINK SOME PEOPLE MISCONSTRUED SOME THINGS HE SAID ABOUT SIOUX COUNTY AND CARROLL COUNTY. HE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THOSE TWO COUNTIES ARE GROWING, TO SOME EXTENT FASTER THAN OTHER COUNTIES IN IOWA. AND HE POSED THE QUESTION, "WHY?" I'LL TELL YOU WHY. AND I'VE BEEN TO THOSE COUNTIES. I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN THOSE COUNTIES. YOU DRIVE THROUGH THOSE COUNTIES, ALMOST EVERY FARMSTEAD HAS LIVESTOCK, CATTLE OR HOGS. IT'S NOT A MYSTERY. THOSE ARE THE GREATEST WAY TO ADD VALUE TO IOWA COMMODITIES THAT WE CAN DO, AND THEY'RE THE GREATEST WAY TO ADD INCOME TO RURAL COMMUNITIES. AND WE NEED TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE NEVER DESTROY THAT.

Yepsen: WHAT'S YOUR POSITION ON GAMBLING?

Gross: ON GAMBLING? I THINK WE'VE GOT ENOUGH OF IT, AND I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE TIGHTLY REGULATED.

Yepsen: WHAT'S YOUR POSITION ON GUN OWNERSHIP?

Gross: ON GUN OWNERSHIP?

Yepsen: DO WE NEED MORE GUN CONTROL OR LESS?

Gross: I THINK THE STATE LAWS RELATED TO GUN OWNERSHIP ARE FINE. I WOULDN'T CHANGE THEM.

Yepsen: BUT WHAT'S --

Glover: GO AHEAD.

Yepsen: -- YOUR POSITION ON SENTENCING REFORM?

Gross: ON SENTENCING REFORM, I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF MANDATORY MINIMUM SENTENCES, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, DAVID, AND WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF ROLLING THEM BACK. I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT FOLKS WHO VIOLATE THE LAW WHO ARE DANGEROUS ARE OFF THE STREETS.

Glover: IT WOULDN'T BE AN OFFICIAL "IOWA PRESS" SHOW IF WE DIDN'T HAVE JUST A PURE, POLITICAL BLOCK, SO LET'S TALK POLITICS FOR A SECOND.

Gross: I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING.

Glover: THAT WAS ISSUE STUFF. NOW WE'RE DONE WITH THAT. LET'S TALK POLITICS.

Gross: OKAY, I GOT THAT.

Glover: HOW DO YOU WIN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY? THE OTHERS HAVE BEEN AT IT LONGER THAN YOU, DOING MORE ORGANIZING. DO YOU COME ON WITH TELEVISION? HOW DO YOU WIN?

Gross: I THINK WHAT I NEED TO DO IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY IS SIMPLY ESPOUSE MY VIEW OF WHAT I WANT TO DO FOR THE STATE OF IOWA: A VISION OF GROWTH; A VISION OF SOUND EDUCATION; A VISION OF HEALTH CARE FOR SENIORS; AND A VISION OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT; LET PEOPLE GET TO KNOW WHO I AM, WHO I REALLY AM; KNOW THAT INDEED I SHARE THEIR VIEWS, AND I WANT TO BE THEIR STRONGEST ADVOCATE THEY'LL EVER HAVE IN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE. AND I THINK IF I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN THAT TO PEOPLE AND DISCUSS THAT WITH PEOPLE THAT THEY'LL UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S INDEED WHAT I WOULD BE, THAT I WOULD BE THEIR ADVOCATE, AND THEY'LL VOTE FOR ME ON JUNE 4.

Glover: TACTICALLY, DO YOU USE A LOT OF SURROGATES, THE FORMER GOVERNOR, PEOPLE LIKE THAT?

Gross: MY EXPERIENCE IN THIS -- AND I'VE BEEN AROUND A LOT OF POLITICAL LEADERS IN THE STATE. AND IN THE END PEOPLE VOTE FOR THE PERSON WHO'S ON THE BALLOT, MIKE. THEY DON'T VOTE FOR OTHER PEOPLE. AND I NEED TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT IOWANS UNDERSTAND WHO I AM AND ARE COMFORTABLE WITH ME, AND THAT'S WHAT I EXPECT I'LL DO.

Yepsen: HOW DO YOU BEAT TOM VILSACK? HE'S AHEAD TWO TO ONE IN THE POLLS OVER YOUR OTHER TWO OPPONENTS SO, PRESUMABLY, HE'S GOT A PRETTY GOOD LEAD OVER YOU TOO. HE'S WAY AHEAD IN MONEY, OVER A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS IN THE BANK. INCUMBENTS GENERALLY GET REELECTED IN IOWA. HOW DO YOU TAKE HIM?

Gross: GOSH, I LOOK FORWARD TO IT, DAVID. I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO A FALL CAMPAIGN WITH GOVERNOR VILSACK, BECAUSE WHAT WE NEED IN THIS STATE IS JUST A FULL-FLEDGED, FULL-THROATED DEBATE ON THE FUTURE OF THE STATE AND THE DIRECTION THAT WE WANT TO LEAD THE STATE. AND I THINK IF WE CAN DO THAT, IF WE CAN HAVE THAT KIND OF DISCUSSION, ABOUT MY VISION AND MY GOALS FOR GROWTH IN THIS STATE AND THE KIND OF JOB THAT GOVERNOR VILSACK HAS DONE IN HIS THREE AND A HALF YEARS, THAT I'LL WIN.

Glover: ARE YOU ASSUMING THAT THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE FOR GOVERNOR WILL HAVE ALL THE MONEY NECESSARY TO MAKE THE RUN?

Gross: YOU KNOW, CAMPAIGNS TAKE A LOT OF MONEY, FAR TOO MUCH MONEY, BUT I EXPECT I'LL BE COMPETITIVE IN THIS RACE IN EVERY RESPECT, MIKE.

Glover: WHAT WILL IT TAKE?

Gross: WHAT WILL IT TAKE? IT WILL TAKE ENOUGH TO WIN.

Borg: YOU MUST FIRST WIN THE NOMINATION, THOUGH, AND I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO A QUESTION I ASKED EARLIER. I SAID, "WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE OTHER TWO CANDIDATES?" YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEFINE YOURSELF. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SAY THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THOSE, AND I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER CHANCE.

Gross: I DON'T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING IS WRONG WITH THOSE. BOB VANDERPLAATS AND STEVE SUKUP ARE FRIENDS OF MINE NOW, AND I EXPECT THEY'LL BE FRIENDS OF MINE WHEN THE CAMPAIGN IS OVER.

Yepsen: BUT YOU OBVIOUSLY FOUND THEM LACKING. THEY'VE BEEN OUT THERE RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR. AND SO EXCUSE ME, MR. GROSS, YOU FOUND SOMETHING LACKING IN THEM. WHAT IS IT?

Gross: I'VE BEEN AROUND STATEWIDE CAMPAIGNS FOR TWO AND A HALF DECADES. IN ORDER TO WIN THOSE RACES, YOU NEED TO HAVE A CLEAR, CLEAN MESSAGE AND YOU NEED TO HAVE PASSION ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I BELIEVE I HAVE BOTH. AS A RESULT OF THAT, I THINK I'LL WIN THE PRIMARY AND WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION. BUT I'M NOT GOING TO WIN IT BY TEARING THOSE GUYS DOWN.

Glover: IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS, PRIMARILY REPRESENTATIVE SUKUP HAS BEEN LAUNCHING A LOT OF FAIRLY HEAVY CHARGES ABOUT YOU. HOW DO YOU THINK THAT AFFECTS THE TENOR OF THE PRIMARY CAMPAIGN?

Gross: I'M DISAPPOINTED BY IT, MIKE. I MEAN, I BELIEVE IN RONALD REAGAN'S ELEVENTH COMMANDMENT: YOU SHOULDN'T SAY A NEGATIVE THING ABOUT OTHER REPUBLICANS. YOU FOLKS HAVE CERTAINLY GIVEN ME EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT TODAY, AND I'VE REFUSED TO DO SO AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO. BUT I THINK IT'S DISAPPOINTING. I THINK OUR FOCUS OUGHT TO BE ON WHY WE NEED A NEW GOVERNOR, WHY THIS GOVERNOR HAS LAID OUT -- CONTINUED TO LAY OUT OVERPROMISES AND UNDERDELIVERIES AND WHY WE NEED A CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP IN THIS STATE. AND I THINK THE REPUBLICANS AND THE STATE WILL BE BETTER SERVED IF WE FOCUS ON THAT.

Yepsen: WE'VE GOT ABOUT TWENTY SECONDS LEFT, MR. GROSS. I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU. WHAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU WANT REPUBLICAN PRIMARY VOTERS TO REMEMBER ABOUT YOU AS THEY GO INTO THE POLLS IN JUNE?

Gross: IF THEY VOTE FOR ME ON JUNE 4, THEY'LL HAVE A PRODUCT OF IOWA, ONE THAT CARES PASSIONATELY ABOUT IOWA, WHO WILL FIGHT FOR THEM EVERY DAY HE'S IN OFFICE.

Borg: THANK YOU, MR. GROSS, FOR BEING WITH US TODAY. ON OUR NEXT EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS," WE SHIFT THE 2002 CAMPAIGN FOCUS FROM THE IOWA STATEHOUSE TO THE U.S. SENATE. BILL SALIER OF NORA SPRINGS WANTS TO REPRESENT REPUBLICANS AGAINST INCUMBENT DEMOCRATIC SENATOR TOM HARKIN, BUT TO DO THAT HE MUST FIRST BEAT CONGRESSMAN GREG GANSKE IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY. AS USUAL, "IOWA PRESS" WILL BE AIRING THIS NEXT WEEK, 6:30 FRIDAY EVENING AND NOON ON SUNDAY. THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK'S EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS." I HOPE YOU'LL WATCH NEXT WEEK. I'M DEAN BORG. THANKS FOR JOINING US TODAY.

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