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Iowa Press #2938
May 17 and 19, 2002

Borg: IOWA GOVERNOR TOM VILSACK AND LEADERS OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY CONTINUE NEGOTIATIONS, HOPING FOR AGREEMENT ON HOW TO PLUG A MULTIMILLION-DOLLAR HOLE IN THE STATE BUDGET. WE'LL DISCUSS POSSIBILITIES AND POLITICS WITH STATEHOUSE REPORTERS ON THIS EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS."

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ON STATEWIDE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION, THIS IS THE FRIDAY, MAY 17, EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS." HERE IS DEAN BORG.

Borg: A SAGGING ECONOMY, UNEXPECTED STATE REVENUE SHORTFALLS, AND POLITICAL DIFFERENCES OVER HOW MUCH AND WHERE TO CUT STATE SPENDING IS MAKING LIFE DIFFICULT AT THE IOWA STATEHOUSE. BOTH THE EXECUTIVE AND LEGISLATIVE BRANCHES OF IOWA GOVERNMENT ARE WORKING TO DEVELOP A REVISED STATE BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR AND NEXT. THE MOST RECENT NUMBERS TELL THE TALE. THE 2002 BUDGET, THAT'S THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, WHICH HAS A LITTLE MORE THAN JUST A MONTH TO GO NOW, CURRENTLY AUTHORIZES SPENDING SOME $200 MILLION MORE THAN THE STATE IS EXPECTED TO RECEIVE IN REVENUE. AND WHEN THE NEW FISCAL YEAR, 2003, BEGINS JULY 1, REVENUE ESTIMATORS PREDICT TAX REVENUE WILL BE AT LEAST $212 MILLION LESS THAN WHAT HAD BEEN EXPECTED FOR STATE SPENDING. THE BUDGET PROBLEMS COME JUST AS ELECTION-YEAR CAMPAIGNS ARE REALLY HEATING UP, AND THAT ADDS ANOTHER DYNAMIC TO THE MIX. WE'VE GATHERED IOWA POLITICAL REPORTERS THAT HAVE BEEN WATCHING THIS DRAMA UNFOLD OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS: "DES MOINES REGISTER" POLITICAL COLUMNIST DAVID YEPSEN, "RADIO IOWA" NEWS DIRECTOR KAY HENDERSON, "ASSOCIATED PRESS" LEGISLATIVE REPORTER MIKE GLOVER, AND DES MOINES BUREAU CHIEF FOR "THE LEE NEWSPAPERS," KATHIE OBRADOVICH. AND KATHIE, AS WE GET TO THE END OF THIS WEEK, IT LOOKS LIKE A SPECIAL SESSION IS VERY LIKELY NOW.

Obradovich: IT IS VERY LIKELY. WE'RE EXPECTING GOING INTO THIS WEEKEND THAT THERE WILL BE A SPECIAL SESSION CALLED BY THE END OF THE MONTH AND THAT REPUBLICAN LEGISLATIVE LEADERS AND THE GOVERNOR WILL HAVE AN AGREEMENT GOING IN ON HOW TO FIX THE CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET. YOU MENTIONED ABOUT A $200-MILLION HOLE. AND WE'VE ONLY GOT ABOUT A MONTH LEFT IN THIS FISCAL YEAR, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU REALLY CAN'T CUT A LOT OF SPENDING. THE MONEY HAS ALREADY BEEN SPENT, SO THEY'RE GOING TO SHIFT SOME MONEY AROUND, AND THAT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT THEY THOUGHT, EARLY ON, THAT THEY WERE GOING TO AGREE ON.

Borg: WELL, KAY, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THIS SPECIAL SESSION IS MORE THAN JUST A ROUND TRIP FOR LEGISLATORS IF THEY HAVE AN AGREEMENT COMING IN? BUT WE HAVE TWO PROBLEMS.

Henderson: RIGHT, THE PROBLEM WILL BE FIXED, AS KATHIE MENTIONED, BY PULLING MONEY OUT OF SPECIAL STATE ACCOUNTS FOR THE PRESENT FISCAL YEAR. THE PROBLEM THEY'RE FACING IS THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE SCHOOL AID PAYMENTS IN THE MIDDLE OF JUNE, AND THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO CASH FLOW. THAT'S ANOTHER PROBLEM THAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH IN THE PRESENT BUDGETING YEAR, SO THEY'RE GOING TO FIX THAT. THE NEXT YEAR THEY HAVE ANOTHER $212-MILLION PROBLEM, AND THAT WILL BE MORE PROBLEMATIC. LEGISLATORS ARE LOOKING AT THE IDEA OF MORE UNPAID DAYS OF LEAVE, FURLOUGHS, IF YOU WILL, FOR STATE WORKERS. THEY'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT PERHAPS EVEN CANCELING SOME STATE PROGRAMS, REALLY TIGHTENING THE BELT, BECAUSE THE BUDGET PLAN THAT THEY DREW UP IN APRIL AND PUT ON THE GOVERNOR'S DESK WAS WHAT MANY OF THEM CONSIDERED A BARE-BONES BUDGET. NOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START CUTTING SOME OF THE BONE.

Glover: AND THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THERE WILL BE AN AGREEMENT ON THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR IS NOT VERY HIGH. THE GOVERNOR AND THE LEGISLATURE TAKE PRETTY FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT APPROACHES TO IT. THE GOVERNOR WANTS TO DIP INTO SOME EXTRA FUNDS. THE LEGISLATIVE LEADERS WANT TO USE THIS TAX AND SHRINK STATE GOVERNMENT UP A LITTLE BIT. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO REACH A MEETING OF THE MINDS ON THAT. I THINK, HOWEVER, IT'S LIKELY THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE LEGISLATURE WILL PROBABLY COME IN PROBABLY FOR A SINGLE DAY, QUICKLY TAKE CARE OF THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, FIGHT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT NEXT YEAR, AND THEN PASS SOMETHING THAT THE GOVERNOR WILL PROBABLY COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW TO FIX NEXT YEAR, BUT EVENTUALLY SIGN.

Yepsen: THE RUB, DEAN, IN THE '03 BUDGET IS THE USE OF THE USE TAX. WHEN YOU BUY A CAR OR RENT A CAR, YOU PAY A SALES TAX. IT'S CALLED THE USE TAX. AND SINCE THE 1940S IT'S BEEN USED FOR ROADS. IT'S NOT CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED. THE GOVERNOR WANTS TO USE THAT MONEY. HE'S SAYING CONCRETE -- KIDS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN CONCRETE. REPUBLICANS ARE SAYING THIS IS A BAD PRECEDENT AND WE HAVE A LOT OF ROAD NEEDS IN IOWA THAT NEED TO BE MET. THEY'RE REALLY AT LOGGERHEADS OVER THAT. THEY'RE ALSO AT LOGGERHEADS OVER THINGS LIKE WHETHER WE OUGHT TO GO IN, IN THIS STATE, AND REWORK CHAPTER 20, WHICH IS THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING LAW. IT'S JUST ANATHEMA TO UNIONS TO DO THAT. REPUBLICANS FIND IT GOOD POLITICS. AND THAT'S WHERE AT ONE LEVEL THEY ALL LOOK BAD IN THIS CURRENT ENVIRONMENT, BECAUSE THINGS ARE A MESS AND VOTERS IN IOWA DON'T LIKE THAT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THEY ALSO FIND IT POLITICALLY USEFUL TO DO CERTAIN THINGS IN THIS SPECIAL SESSION. IT WILL BE POLITICALLY USEFUL FOR A REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE TO REWORK COLLECTIVE BARGAINING, AND THEY CAN SAY, "WE'VE GOT TO REDUCE OUR LABOR COST." AND THEY'RE PROBABLY RIGHT. THE GOVERNOR CAN SAY, "NO, WE DON'T WANT THE DISRUPTION OF REWORKING OUR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING LAWS." HE CAN VETO IT AND HE'LL LOOK GOOD FOR THE UNIONS AND HE SCORES POINTS.

Borg: YOU MENTIONED CONCRETE OR CLASSROOMS. IT SEEMS TO ME IT'S PRETTY EFFECTIVE FOR THE GOVERNOR'S IMAGE TO SAY "HUMANS RATHER THAN BUILDING ROADS."

Yepsen: IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOUR CONSTITUENCY IS. HERE AGAIN, THE ROAD BUILDERS IN THIS STATE ARE TRADITIONALLY A PRETTY REPUBLICAN CONSTITUENCY. LOOK WHERE THEY GIVE THEIR MONEY. A LOT OF THEM ARE LEADERS IN THE PARTY. SO IT'S PRETTY EASY POLITICS FOR TOM VILSACK TO BEAT UP THE ROAD LOBBY. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE ARE A LOT OF IOWANS OUT THERE WHO REALLY LIKE THEIR HIGHWAYS, PARTICULARLY OUT IN WESTERN IOWA WHERE THEY'VE GOT FREEWAY 520 THAT HAS NEVER BEEN COMPLETED. SO ANYBODY IN IOWA WHO WANTS A ROAD FINISHED IS SAYING WE CAN'T BE DOING THIS.

Glover: BUT THE POINT VILSACK WILL MAKE -- AND I THINK IT HAS SOME VALIDITY -- IS IOWA RANKS SIXTH IN THE COUNTRY PER CAPITA NUMBER OF HIGHWAY SPENDING AND SECOND IN THE COUNTRY PER CAPITA IN THE NUMBER OF HIGHWAY MILES. IOWANS BY TRADITION LIKE TO HAVE LOTS OF ROADS OUT THERE, BUT THE TRADITION -- THOSE ROADS WERE FARM-TO-MARKET ROADS, ARGUABLY A PURPOSE FROM WHICH IT'S SHIFTED. BUT THE POINT WE'RE MAKING -- I THINK WE'RE ALL MAKING THE SAME POINT, THERE ISN'T LIKELY TO BE AN AGREEMENT ON THIS, AND I THINK IT IS TIME TO HAVE AN ELECTION.

Borg: KATHIE.

Obradovich: WELL, THE REPUBLICANS ALSO MAKE THE POINT, THOUGH, THAT THOSE JOBS RIGHT NOW ARE -- PEOPLE ARE EMPLOYED RIGHT NOW IN THIS ECONOMY BUILDING ROADS AND, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THERE ARE ROADS THAT GO TO NOWHERE, ULTIMATELY PEOPLE ARE BEING EMPLOYED AND MAKING MONEY BUILDING THEM. PLUS THERE'S AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ASPECT TO THE ROAD BUILDING. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRYING TO CAST IT AS JOBS VERSUS, YOU KNOW --

Glover: AND THE DEMOCRATS WILL COME BACK AND SAY --

Obradovich: AS OPPOSED TO CONCRETE.

Glover: THE DEMOCRATS WILL COME BACK AND SAY WE'RE LAYING OFF TEACHERS AND HIRING CONSTRUCTION WORKERS.

Yepsen: AND REMEMBER, THERE'S MORE PEOPLE WHO DRIVE THAN HAVE KIDS IN SCHOOL.

Borg: BUT THEN, KAY, THE REPUBLICANS COME BACK WITH THEIR OWN ARGUMENT, AND THEY SEEM TO LOOK GOOD IN SAYING THAT, AS THE GOVERNOR SAYS "CONCRETE OR CLASSROOMS," THE REPUBLICANS HAVE AN ARGUMENT TOO.

Henderson: IN REGARDS TO?

Borg: WELL, IN HOW THAT THEY WOULD REPAIR THE STATE.

Henderson: REPUBLICANS HAVE DECIDED THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THEY'D LIKE TO DO IS BASH UNIONS. THEY HAVE DONE IT TRADITIONALLY, AND THEY'RE DOING IT AGAIN THIS TIME AROUND. UNIONS ARE FEELING A LITTLE BELEAGUERED. THE STATE'S LARGEST STATE WORKER UNION, AFSCME, VOTED TO DELAY THEIR PAY RAISE, YET THEY'RE STILL GETTING A PRETTY HEFTY PAY RAISE. THAT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD OUT IN REGULAR-JOE IOWA WHERE PEOPLE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR HAVE TAKEN PAY CUTS, PEOPLE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR HAVE LOST THEIR JOBS, WHEREAS STATE WORKERS HAVE A PRETTY NICE, PLUSH LITTLE JOB THERE IS THE IMPRESSION THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC HAS ABOUT THE STATE WORKERS UNION. SO THE STATE WORKERS UNIONS ARE IN A BOX BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT WELL LIKED BY RANK-AND-FILE IOWANS. REPUBLICANS KNOW THIS AND THEY'RE TRYING TO HIGHLIGHT IT.

Yepsen: AVERAGE STATE WORKER PAY PACKAGE WAS 7 PERCENT. NOT A LOT OF IOWANS GOT THAT KIND OF PAY RAISE. AND KAY IS RIGHT, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN GETTING RAID OFF LAID OFF. THE SAME THING ON EDUCATION. YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY IS FOR EDUCATION IN IOWA, AND YET THE POLITICAL REALITY IS THAT IN A LOT OF TOWNS IN IOWA, SOME OF THE HIGHEST PAID PEOPLE ARE THE SCHOOL TEACHERS. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN IOWA WHO THINK WE OUGHT TO BE CLEANING UP OUR FINANCES. AND MIKE IS RIGHT. THESE ARE FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES. IT'S TIME TO RUN AN ELECTION.

Borg: WELL, AND TALKING ABOUT ELECTIONS, MIKE, LET'S GET INTO THE REPUBLICAN GUBERNATORIAL CAMPAIGN. HOW DO YOU SEE THAT SHAKING OUT RIGHT NOW AS WE GET PRETTY NEAR THE PRIMARY?

Glover: IT'S PROVING TO BE -- IT'S PROVING TO BE A VERY INTERESTING ELECTION. IT'S PROVING TO BE AN ELECTION THAT I DON'T KNOW WHO IS GOING TO WIN. THERE IS CONVENTIONAL WISDOM THAT DOUG GROSS, GOVERNOR BRANSTAD'S FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF, HAD MOST OF THE REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT IN HIS POCKET, HAD MORE MONEY THAN THE OTHERS, AND WAS SORT OF THE INEVITABLE NOMINEE. STEVE SUKUP HAS LAUNCHED A CAMPAIGN AGAINST HIM THAT IS PROVING TO BE, I THINK, A BIT EFFECTIVE. AND ONE OF THE TRUISMS IN POLITICS IS YOU CAN TELL THE EFFECTIVENESS OF AN ATTACK BY THE SQUEALS FROM THE PERSON BEING ATTACKED. HE IS ATTACKING DOUG GROSS FOR HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH SOME OF HIS CLIENTS: THE GAMBLING INDUSTRY AND BIG HOG PRODUCERS. DOUG GROSS IS SQUEALING. THAT TELLS ME THAT ATTACK IS HURTING A LITTLE BIT.

Henderson: AS A BIT OF DISCLOSURE, I GREW UP IN SOUTHWEST IOWA. I DIDN'T GROW UP IN DES MOINES, AND NOW I LIVE IN DES MOINES. SO I'VE SEEN BOTH WORLDS. PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE IN DES MOINES HATE DES MOINES. AND THIS LATEST ATTACK THAT STEVE SUKUP IS MAKING REMINDS RURAL IOWANS, WHO ARE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF REPUBLICAN PRIMARY VOTERS, THAT DOUG GROSS IS A DES MOINES LAWYER, AND IT'S PROVING TO BE VERY EFFECTIVE.

Glover: AND EVEN HIS TELEVISION COMMERCIALS IS HAVING A GREAT DEAL OF DIFFICULTY TO UNDERSTAND. FIRST OF ALL, HIS OPENING TELEVISION COMMERCIAL INCLUDED SHOTS OF DOUG GROSS IN A DENIM JACKET SLOPPING FEED IN A HOG LOT. IT DOESN'T SELL. HE'S NOT A FARMER. HE'S A PRETTY RICH DES MOINES LAWYER, AND MOST OF THE AD SHOWS HIM WALKING THROUGH A DES MOINES LAW OFFICE REMINDING PEOPLE -- SPENDING HIS OWN MONEY, REMINDING PEOPLE "I'M A PRETTY WELL-OFF DES MOINES LAWYER."

Obradovich: WELL, THE OTHER THING SUKUP IS DOING WITH THOSE ADS IS SAYING IT'S A TWO-MAN RACE. BOB VANDER PLAATS ISN'T INVOLVED IN THIS DEBATE IN SIOUX CITY, SO SUKUP IS ESSENTIALLY NARROWING PEOPLE'S FOCUS DOWN TO THOSE TWO PEOPLE. HE WANTS TO -- IF GROSS -- GROSS IS AT LEAST BEING TREATED LIKE THE FRONT-RUNNER, WHETHER HE IS OR NOT. SO IT BENEFITS SUKUP TO TRY AND CUT VANDER PLAATS OUT BECAUSE THEY SPLIT THE RURAL VOTE.

Yepsen: THAT'S WHAT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND ABOUT SUKUP'S ATTACK IS THAT -- I THINK GROSS IS AHEAD. I THINK THERE IS SOME EVIDENCE OF THAT. AND I THINK IF NOTHING ELSE, SUKUP'S ATTACK ON GROSS IS EVIDENCE THAT GROSS IS AHEAD. SUKUP AND VANDER PLAATS ARE COMPETING FOR THE SAME RURAL PIECE OF THE VOTE HERE, WHEREAS GROSS IS LOCKING UP MORE URBAN MODERATES. AND IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT IF I WERE STEVE SUKUP, YOU WOULD BE WANTING TO SQUEEZE BOB VANDER PLAATS OUT OF THIS RACE TO SORT OF RALLY THE RURAL CONSERVATIVE VOTE. DEAN, THIS IS HEALTHY FOR REPUBLICANS, THOUGH, BECAUSE PRIMARIES ARE ABOUT PICKING A CANDIDATE. THEY'RE NOT ABOUT ELECTING SOMEBODY TO OFFICE. AND, YOU KNOW, REPUBLICANS IN IOWA HAVE TO DECIDE WHO THEY WANT TO PUT ON THE TRACK AGAINST TOM VILSACK. AND JUST AS SURE AS WE'RE SITTING HERE, IF REPUBLICANS OPT TO NOMINATE DOUG GROSS -- AND HE'S GOT SOME ASSETS. I MEAN, HE'S A SMART GUY. HE'S VERY ARTICULATE. IF THEY WANT TO GO THAT ROUTE, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT TOM VILSACK WILL BE HITTING HIM ON HIS CLIENTS. AND GROSS NEEDS TO GET THIS BEHIND HIM. IF HE GETS IT BEHIND HIM NOW AND MAKES THIS A NONSTORY BY OCTOBER, THEN THIS HAS BEEN HEALTHY FOR HIM. BUT IF HE CAN'T, THEN MAYBE REPUBLICANS WANT TO THINK TWICE ABOUT NOMINATING HIM.

Borg: IS IT EVEN HEALTHY FOR THE PARTY, BECAUSE NAME RECOGNITION HAD BEEN LACKING AMONG THOSE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES UNTIL THIS HEATED PRIMARY CAMPAIGN?

Glover: SURE. WE WERE ALL WRITING STORIES ABOUT THOSE THREE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES, WHO ARE MUCH BETTER KNOWN TODAY THAN THEY WERE THREE TO FOUR MONTHS AGO. THE ISSUES THAT ARE BEING RAISED -- IN ONE SENSE, I DON'T THINK DOUG GROSS CAN GET THEM BEHIND HIM. THEY'RE THERE. THEY'RE VALID CHARGES IN THE PRIMARY CAMPAIGN. THEY'RE GOING TO BE THERE IF POLLING SHOWS THEY'RE EFFECTIVE. VILSACK WILL USE THEM IN NOVEMBER, SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS AN ISSUE WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY PUT SOMETHING BEHIND YOU.

Henderson: AND A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY: TOM VILSACK USED HIS OPPONENT MARK MCCORMICK'S LAW RECORD, CLIENT RECORD, IN THE PRIMARY, SO HE'S ADEPT AT USING THAT AGAINST AN OPPONENT TO HIS ADVANTAGE.

Yepsen: GRAB YOUR PONCHO, DEAN. IF IT'S A VILSACK/GROSS RACE, YOU'VE GOT A TRIAL LAWYER AGAINST A LAWYER LOBBYIST, AND IT WILL FLY. [ LAUGHTER ]

Borg: HOW VULNERABLE IS TOM -- GOVERNOR VILSACK BECOMING? I CALLED HIM THAT BECAUSE I WAS THINKING ABOUT HARKIN. BUT HOW VULNERABLE IS HE BECOMING BECAUSE OF THE STATE BUDGET?

Glover: IT'S NEVER HEALTHY. IT'S NEVER, EVER HEALTHY TO BE AN INCUMBENT WHEN THE ECONOMY GOES SOUTH. TOM VILSACK IS THE INCUMBENT. THE ECONOMY HAS GONE SOUTH. THAT'S CAUSED HIM A HOST OF BUDGET PROBLEMS AND INCREASED HIS VULNERABILITY. SIX MONTHS AGO I WOULD HAVE TOLD YOU THIS GOVERNOR'S RACE DOESN'T LOOK TERRIBLY INTERESTING. THIS GOVERNOR'S RACE NOW LOOKS A BIT MORE INTERESTING REGARDLESS OF WHO THE REPUBLICANS CHOOSE TO NOMINATE. I THINK YOU CAN MAKE A CASE FOR EITHER SUKUP OR GROSS RUNNING AGAIN TOM VILSACK. SO I THINK HIS VULNERABILITY HAS INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY BECAUSE -- AND WE'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE -- REPUBLICANS TEND TO WORRY ABOUT -- VOTERS TEND TO WORRY ABOUT REPUBLICANS BECAUSE THEY DON'T THINK THEY CARE. THEY WORRY ABOUT DEMOCRATS BECAUSE THEY DON'T THINK THEY CAN RUN THE SHOW. AND EVERY TIME SOME BUDGET MESS POPS UP, IT PLAYS INTO THAT PERCEPTION.

Obradovich: ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S INTERESTING, THOUGH, ABOUT WHAT GOVERNOR VILSACK IS DOING IS IN HIS -- NOW HE'S STARTING TO GO ON THE STUMP FOR REAL, AND HIS CAMPAIGN SPEECHES ARE A LITANY OF GOOD THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN IOWA AND VERY OPTIMISTIC LOOKING AND VERY, YOU KNOW, "WE'RE GOING TO GET OUT OF THIS AND WE'RE DOING BETTER THAN OTHER STATES." SO I THINK THAT HE'S TRYING TO BE NOW SORT OF THE RAY OF SUNSHINE TO THE REPUBLICANS' DOOM AND GLOOM ABOUT HOW THE STATE IS GOING TO HECK IN A HANDBASKET. SO I THINK HE'S ACKNOWLEDGING THE FACT THAT HE'S GOT PROBLEMS WITH THE ECONOMY, BUT ALSO TRYING TO PUT A GOOD SPIN ON THAT IOWA IS NOT AS BAD AS A LOT OF OTHER STATES.

Borg: LET'S GO TO TOM HARKIN, THAT I REFERRED TO JUST A MINUTE EARLIER. HE -- HE'S RUNNING, OF COURSE, UNOPPOSED RIGHT NOW. HE WILL HAVE AN OPPONENT VERY SOON, AFTER WE DETERMINE WHO, BILL SALIER OR GREG GANSKE, WINS THAT PRIMARY. HOW ARE YOU READING THAT? IS BILL SALIER REALLY A CANDIDATE THAT COULD BE OPPOSING TOM HARKIN?

Glover: I THINK THE ODDS ARE AGAINST BILL SALIER WINNING THAT PRIMARY, BUT HE IS GIVING GREG GANSKE FITS. HE'S PROVING TO BE A MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE CANDIDATE THAN A LOT OF US THOUGHT. HE'S BEEN OUT THERE FOR A LONG TIME, TWO TO THREE YEARS. HE'S SOUNDING A CONSERVATIVE THEME THAT A LOT OF -- THAT RESONATES WITH A GOOD HUNK OF THE REPUBLICAN ELECTORATE IN THIS STATE. SO IN THAT SENSE, HE'S BEING A MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE CANDIDATE. ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU CAN SEE THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE A LOT OF THE REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT LIKE GEORGE BUSH COME INTO THE STATE TO CAMPAIGN FOR GREG GANSKE. SO IN THAT SENSE, SALIER I THINK HAS BEEN MORE EFFECTIVE THAN A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT. IN THE END OF THE DAY, I CAN'T SEE HIM ACTUALLY WINNING THAT PRIMARY.

Borg: AND THEN LET'S GO ON TO THE BIG, SPRAWLING FIFTH DISTRICT OVER IN WESTERN IOWA. THERE WAS A DEBATE OVER IN CARROLL, IOWA, LAST TUESDAY NIGHT. YOU WERE THERE, KAY --

Henderson: AS YOU WERE YOU.

Borg: YES, THAT'S RIGHT. WHAT DID YOU THINK?

Henderson: IT WAS A FASCINATING DEBATE. IF YOU LISTENED TO THE EXCHANGES AMONG THE CANDIDATES, YOU GOT THE SENSE THAT JOHN REDWINE IS THE FRONT-RUNNER BECAUSE THE OTHER THREE REPUBLICANS WERE ATTACKING JOHN REDWINE. MR. REDWINE -- DR. REDWINE, IF YOU WILL, IS ALSO SENATOR REDWINE. HE'S A STATE SENATOR. HOUSE SPEAKER BRENT SIEGRIST IS ALSO RUNNING IN THAT DISTRICT. I WAS RECENTLY IN SIOUX CITY. MR. SIEGRIST IS RUNNING A LOT OF CAMPAIGN COMMERCIALS IN THE SIOUX CITY MARKET, TRYING TO EAT INTO JOHN REDWINE'S BASE. MR. REDWINE IS FROM SIOUX CITY. THE OTHER FACTOR IN THIS RACE IS STEVE KING, WHO HAD SOME STRANGE OCCURRENCES THIS PAST WEEK, TELLING US THAT STEVE FORBES AND GARY BAUER, THESE "ALSO RAN REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES OF DAYS GONE BY" HAD ENDORSED HIS CAMPAIGN. AND THEN YOU HAVE A GENTLEMAN BY THE NAME OF JEFF BALLINGER, WHO IS A BUSINESSPERSON FROM COUNCIL BLUFFS, WHO'S RUNNING IN THAT RACE. SO THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR NONE OF THEM GETTING THE REQUIRED PERCENTAGE AND THIS WHOLE IDEA OF ELECTING A CONGRESSMAN FROM A CONVENTION IN JUNE SOMETIME, SO THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS RACE SO FASCINATING TO US.

Yepsen: IOWA LAW REQUIRES A CANDIDATE TO GET 35 PERCENT IN A PRIMARY TO GET A NOMINATION. YOU KNOW, FOUR CANDIDATES, THERE'S A REAL -- I THINK KAY IS RIGHT, A REAL POSSIBILITY THAT COULD GO TO CONVENTION. YOU COULD MAKE A CREDIBLE SCENARIO FOR ANY ONE OF THOSE FOUR GENTLEMEN TO WIN THIS THING, AND NO ONE HAS ANY RELIABLE PUBLIC OPINION POLLING ON IT TO BE ABLE TO REALLY DISSECT IT. IT EBBS AND FLOWS. I MEAN JEFF BALLINGER WAS DOING WELL EARLY. THEN THERE WAS A LITTLE DUSTUP; HE DIDN'T VOTE IN SOME ELECTIONS. STEVE KING WAS BACK IN THE PACK, BUT NOW HE'S PICKED UP SOME OF THESE ENDORSEMENTS. IT'S NEVER A BAD POSITION TO BE THE MOST CONSERVATIVE GUY IN A REPUBLICAN PRIMARY FIGHT, SO HE'S COME UP A LITTLE BIT. SO THAT'S WHY I THINK THIS THING EBBS AND FLOWS, AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN MAKE A GOOD PREDICTION.

Glover: IT'S GOING TO DEPEND HEAVILY ON TURNOUT. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TURN OUT, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO TURN OUT, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHO IS PUTTING TOGETHER AN EFFECTIVE VOTER TURNOUT OPERATION, BECAUSE IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO MEASURE. ABOUT THE CONVENTION, I THINK IT'S VERY UNLIKELY THAT GOES TO CONVENTION.

Borg: WHY DO YOU SAY THAT?

Glover: BECAUSE I THINK SOMEBODY WILL CATCH SOME STEAM. THINK OF THIS... THERE ARE FOUR CANDIDATES; FOR NOBODY TO GET 35 PERCENT OF THE VOTE, THEY VIRTUALLY HAVE TO TIE. AND THE LAST TIME A MAJOR ELECTION WENT TO A CONVENTION IN THIS STATE WAS 1960. THE CLOSEST WE'VE COME SINCE THEN WAS 1986, THE DEMOCRATIC CAMPAIGN FOR SECRETARY OF AGRICULTURE WHEN DALE COCHRAN BARELY GOT THE 35 PERCENT HE NEEDED. BUT I THINK THERE WERE FIVE OR SIX CANDIDATES IN THAT RACE.

Yepsen: I THINK MIKE HAS A POINT. I THINK TURNOUT IS ALWAYS THE GAME IN AN ELECTION. THE RACE FOR GOVERNOR IS HAVING AN EFFECT ON THIS BECAUSE BOB VANDER PLAATS IS FROM NORTHWEST IOWA. A LOT OF REPUBLICANS UP THERE. THAT'S HIS BASE. HE'S GOT TO GIN UP A BIG TURNOUT IN THAT RACE FOR GOVERNOR FROM THERE, SO THAT WILL I THINK BENEFIT JOHN REDWINE, WHO COMES OUT OF SIOUX CITY AND POINTS NORTH.

Borg: SURE. EVEN AS WE WATCHED, MIKE, YOU WERE AT THAT DEBATE IN CARROLL, IOWA, TOO, AND THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE WAS SOUNDING A LOT LIKE A REPUBLICAN.

Glover: PAUL SHOMSHOR IS A BUSINESSMAN FROM COUNCIL BLUFFS, A MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL BLUFFS CITY COUNCIL, INTENDING TO HOLD ELECTIVE OFFICE OVER THERE. THERE ARE 58,000 MORE REPUBLICANS THAN DEMOCRATS IN THAT DISTRICT. [ LAUGHTER ] PAUL SHOMSHOR IS MAKING THE CASE THAT HE'S GOING TO CONGRESS. IF PAUL SHOMSHOR, IN JANUARY, IS SWORN IN IN CONGRESS, IT WILL BE BECAUSE THERE ARE 435 DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS. [ LAUGHTER ]

Borg: KATHIE, YOU WRITE FOR "THE QUAD CITY TIMES," AMONG OTHER NEWSPAPERS IN IOWA. AND OVER IN THE FIRST DISTRICT, WELL, THE MAYOR -- THE FORMER MAYOR OF BETTENDORF, IS IT, THAT IS OPPOSING DAVE NAGLE THERE FOR THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION?

Obradovich: THAT'S RIGHT. AND THERE'S A THIRD CANDIDATE FROM CLINTON NAMED DENNY HEATH. THE OTHER TWO, OBVIOUSLY, ARE GETTING A LOT OF THE ATTENTION. NAGLE, BEING A FORMER CONGRESSMAN WHO'S RUN AGAINST NUSSLE TWICE AND LOST, AGAINST A BETTENDORF MAYOR, WHO REALLY WAS A REPUBLICAN THROUGHOUT HER, I THINK, SEVEN YEARS OF SERVICE AND SWITCHED PARTIES IN ORDER TO TRY AND CHALLENGE JIM NUSSLE IN THAT SORT OF NEW CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT. SO IT'S BEEN KIND OF INTERESTING. NAGLE HAS BEEN TRYING TO MAKE THE CASE THAT HE'S THE TRUE DEMOCRAT IN THE RACE AND, BECAUSE HUTCHINSON HAS SWITCHED PARTIES, THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW HER -- HER SINCERITY IS SUSPECT. HUTCHINSON HAS BASICALLY BEEN TRYING TO MAKE THE CASE THAT SHE'S ALWAYS BEEN PRO-CHOICE, SHE WAS A DEMOCRAT WAY BACK WHEN. AND SO IT'S BEEN KIND OF INTERESTING. I THINK THAT ONE THING THAT SHE HAS TO WATCH OUT FOR, THOUGH, IS THAT NAGLE SEEMS TO BE PUSHING HER SO FAR TO THE LEFT WHILE SHE'S TRYING TO -- IT SORT OF -- INVALIDATE HER DEMOCRATIC CREDENTIALS THAT SHE LOSES ANY ADVANTAGE SHE HAS IN THE GENERAL ELECTION WITH MODERATE REPUBLICANS, INDEPENDENTS, AND SUBURBAN WOMEN.

Glover: THE SOUND BITE IN THAT ELECTION IS DAVE NAGLE SAYS DEMOCRATS OUGHT TO NOMINATE A DEMOCRAT IN THE CAUCUS. SHE SAYS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS THE PARTY OF DIVERSITY, AND TO SHUT OUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE HELD DIFFERENT POLITICAL VIEWS IS TO LOCK YOURSELF INTO A PERMANENT MINORITY STATUS.

Borg: AS FAR AS --

Yepsen: I GIVE THE ---- TO HER BECAUSE I THINK, FIRST OF ALL, NAGLE HAS HAD TWO TURNS AT THIS AND LOST AND A LOT OF DEMOCRATS ARE SAYING "WHAT ARE WE GOING DOWN THIS PATH -- WE'RE GOING TO NOMINATE HIM THE THIRD TIME TO RUN AGAINST JIM NUSSLE?" SHE'S RAISED A LOT MORE MONEY THAN DAVE NAGLE, AND MONEY TELLS YOU SOMETHING ABOUT WHERE THE PARTY IS GOING. DAVE NAGLE HAD A DRUNK DRIVING PROBLEM, AND I THINK THAT SORT OF BUZZ GOES AROUND ABOUT HIM, WHETHER OR NOT HE'D BE A VIABLE -- A GOOD PERSON TO RUN A THIRD TIME.

Borg: WELL, IS NUSSLE VULNERABLE IN THAT NEWLY DISTRICTED AREA?

Yepsen: SURE.

Glover: THERE ARE 6,000 MORE REGISTERED DEMOCRATS THAN REPUBLICANS. AND MODERATATES -- OR INDEPENDENTS IN THAT DISTRICT TEND TO TREND DEMOCRATIC SO THE PERFORMANCE IS A DEMOCRATIC PERFORMING DISTRICT. HOWEVER, HAVING SAID THAT, JIM NUSSLE IS CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE BUDGET COMMITTEE AND PART OF THE LEADERSHIP TEAM IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE IS NOT GOING TO LET HIM GET DEFEATED WITHOUT SPENDING EVERY DIME THEY CAN GET THEIR HANDS ON, AND THEY CAN GET THEIR HANDS ON A LOT OF DIMES.

Borg: THERE ISN'T A PRIMARY -- GO AHEAD.

Henderson: LIKE NEIL DIAMOND SAID, "MONEY TALKS."

Borg: THERE ISN'T A PRIMARY IN THE SECOND DISTRICT, BUT I WANT TO TOUCH JUST ON THAT BECAUSE JIM LEACH MOVED OUT OF THAT DAVENPORT AREA INTO THE IOWA CITY AREA SO THAT HE COULD RUN IN THAT NEW SECOND DISTRICT. HOW DO YOU SEE THAT RACE SHAPING UP?

Glover: THAT IS THE MOST DEMOCRATIC OF THE FIVE CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS IN THIS STATE, ABOUT 58 PERCENT. JULIE THOMAS IS A PEDIATRICIAN FROM CEDAR RAPIDS. SHE HAS MONEY OF HER OWN, AND SHE'LL GET HER HANDS ON SOME OTHER MONEY. SHE CAN MAKE IT A CREDIBLE RACES; HOWEVER, JIM LEACH HAS REPRESENTED LARGE PARTS OF THAT DISTRICT, INCLUDING IOWA CITY, BEFORE. HIS MODERATE KIND OF VIEWS SELL PRETTY WELL IN THAT PART OF THE STATE. HE'S GOTTEN SOME EARLY ENDORSEMENTS FROM ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS AND OTHER GROUPS THAT TYPICALLY DON'T ENDORSE REPUBLICANS. SO I THINK YOU HAVE TO PUT HIM AS A FAVORITE AT THE BEGINNING.

Borg: KAY, INCUMBENT TOM LATHAM HAS A PRIMARY.

Henderson: RIGHT. A FELLOW FROM MARSHALLTOWN BY THE NAME OF GAIL BOLLIVER. IT'S NOT MUCH OF A RACE. MR. BOLLIVER HASN'T RAISED MUCH MONEY. MR. LATHAM IS, I GUESS, A SHOO-IN. I THINK WE WOULD ALL AGREE.

Borg: IN THE LEGISLATURE NOW, LET'S GET TO THAT. WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT THE GOVERNOR'S RACE. BUT THE REPUBLICANS NOW CONTROL THE LEGISLATURE, BUT A LOT OF THOSE DISTRICTS HAVE BEEN REDRAWN, IN FACT PROBABLY ALL OF THEM. KATHIE, WHAT DO YOU SEE IN THE WAY OF INTERESTING RACES IN THAT LEGISLATURE?

Obradovich: WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF PRIMARIES AROUND THE STATE RIGHT NOW, AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THOSE ALL SHAKE OUT. I THINK THE MORE INTERESTING RACES TO BE WATCHED -- TO WATCH WILL BE IN NOVEMBER OBVIOUSLY, ONCE THE INTERMURAL SQUABBLES ARE DONE, TO SEE WHO ENDS UP ACTUALLY HAVING A CHANCE TO WIN SOME OF THOSE OPEN SEATS. I THINK JUST IN GENERAL, SOME INTERESTING THINGS THAT ARE CHANGING IN THE LEGISLATURE, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A CHANCE FOR MORE WOMEN TO BE ELECTED. I THINK THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE FEWER RURAL FACES. SO OVERALL THE FACE OF THE LEGISLATURE IS GOING TO CHANGE.

Yepsen: AND THE OTHER THING GOING ON IN THE RACE FOR THE LEGISLATURE IS REPUBLICANS ARE IN CONTROL THERE. THAT'S WHERE THEY RAISE THEIR MONEY. AND YEAH, THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO BEAT TOM VILSACK. BUT THE LAST REDOUBT RIGHT NOW FOR THE REPUBLICANS IS THE IOWA LEGISLATURE, SO THEY WILL BE FIGHTING VERY HARD TO PROTECT THEIR BASE THERE. THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM IS THAT REPUBLICANS HOLD THE SENATE, DEMOCRATS HAVE A SHOT AT THE IOWA HOUSE. BUT THAT'S REAL EARLY AND I DON'T THINK A LOT OF THESE -- A LOT OF VOTERS HAVE DECIDED ABOUT A LOT OF THESE LEGISLATIVE RACES.

Glover: ONE THING WE CAN SAY IS (A) IT WILL BE A NEW LEGISLATURE. AT LEAST A THIRD OF THE LEGISLATURE THAT'S SITTING AND WILL COME BACK IN THIS SPECIAL SESSION WILL NOT BE THERE COME JANUARY, AND IT WILL BE A MORE URBAN AND SUBURBAN LEGISLATURE THAN THE ONE THAT WAS DRAWN. YOU'RE RIGHT, 150 LEGISLATIVE DISTRICTS GOT REDRAWN AND THEY HAVE A MUCH MORE URBAN FOCUS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE POPULATION HAS GONE IN THIS STATE.

Borg: AND IF YOU LISTEN TO DICK MYERS, THE MINORITY LEADER IN THE IOWA HOUSE, THEY'VE BEEN OUT WORKING VERY HARD, FULL-COURT PRESS, FOR CANDIDATES.

Yepsen: AND THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN ANY OF THESE. IT'S LIKE REAL ESTATE: LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. IN POLITICS, IT'S CANDIDATE, CANDIDATE, CANDIDATE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE OF ALL THIS, DEAN, THIS COULD BE A VERY GOOD YEAR FOR DEMOCRATS. TOM HARKIN, TOM VILSACK, YOU KNOW, THE COMPETITIVE CONGRESSIONAL RACES WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT HERE. I THINK IT HAS THE POTENTIAL FOR BEING THE BEST ELECTION FOR DEMOCRATS SINCE 1964. NOW, WE DON'T KNOW ARE THERE MORE TERRORIST ATTACKS THAT CHANGE THE GAME. BUT THE ONE THING THAT'S GOING ON IN IOWA POLITICS THAT WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED ON IS DEMOCRATS ARE DOING A BETTER JOB OF IDENTIFYING THE INDEPENDENT VOTER THAT LEANS THEIR WAY AND THEN GET THEM TO THE POLLS, BETTER THAN THE REPUBLICANS. AND AS LONG AS THAT'S TRUE, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE DEMOCRATS WINNING MORE CLOSE RACES FOR CONGRESS, FOR THE LEGISLATURE. IT'S A BIG PROBLEM FOR REPUBLICANS, AND THEY BETTER FIGURE OUT A WAY TO CORRECT IT.

Glover: I THINK THE REPUBLICANS ARE MAKING A FUNDAMENTAL TACTICAL ERROR. WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE FOCUSING ON. THEY'RE BASHING UNIONS. THAT'S GOOD REPUBLICAN POLITICS TO BASH UNIONS. THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT CUTTING INTO STATE PROGRAMS, SHRINKING STATE GOVERNMENT, DOING THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. THAT'S GOOD REPUBLICAN POLITICS. THAT GETS REPUBLICANS FIRED UP. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT DOESN'T DO? THAT DOESN'T GET YOU ANY INDEPENDENTS. THE REPUBLICANS I THINK ARE FOCUSING FAR TOO HEAVILY ON THEIR BASE AND FAR TOO LITTLE ON GETTING INDEPENDENT, LOOSLY AFFILIATED VOTERS, SUBURBAN WOMEN.

Yepsen: I THINK IT'S TOO EARLY TO SAY. I THINK YOU CAN MAKE THE CASE THAT VILSACK, BY PROTECTING THE UNIONS, IS FOCUSING TOO MUCH ON HIS BASE BY TALKING ALL BY HIGHER TEACHER PAY, FOCUSES TOO MUCH ON HIS BASE. I MEAN IT'S LIKE YOU SAID ONE TIME ON THE PROGRAM, MIKE, IF YOU'RE A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR AT THIS STAGE IN THE CAMPAIGN AND YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT YOUR BASE, YOU'RE BEHIND. SO BOTH PARTIES HAVE THIS TROUBLE OF BEING PULLED OFF TO THE EXTREMES AND NOT FIGHTING THEIR BATTLES FROM THE CENTER.

Glover: KATHIE'S POINT, GO LISTEN TO TOM VILSACK'S STUMP. TOM VILSACK'S STUMP DOESN'T HAVE MUCH TO DO ABOUT PROTECTING UNIONS. TOM VILSACK'S STUMP HAS A LOT TO DO ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE, EDUCATION, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

Obradovich: BUT THE OTHER THING REPUBLICANS CAN ARGUE IS THAT IF YOU WANT TO KEEP TOM VILSACK AS GOVERNOR, THAT THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ARE GOING TO BE THE CHECK ON HIS PURSE STRINGS. THEY HAVE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT DIVIDED GOVERNMENT IS GOOD GOVERNMENT TO SORT OF AN EXTENT. IT'S KIND OF AN ODD ARGUMENT TO MAKE WHEN YOU'VE GOT REPUBLICANS RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR, BUT YET IT'S AN ARGUMENT THAT THEY CONTINUE TO MAKE, THAT THEY ARE THE CHECK ON TOM VILSACK'S PURSE STRINGS.

Henderson: THERE'S A SENSE OF LETHARGY ABOUT REPUBLICANS I THINK WE ALL SENSE, AND IT REMINDS ME OF AN ANECDOTE. ON ELECTION NIGHT WITH THE LAST PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, DEMOCRATS WERE HAVING A PARTY AT A HOTEL. REPUBLICANS IN IOWA WERE HAVING A PARTY AT A HOTEL. THERE WAS SOME CONTENTION IN IOWA, IF YOU RECALL, JUST A FEW THOUSAND VOTES SEPARATED. THERE WAS NOT A SINGLE DEMOCRAT IN THAT HOTEL BALLROOM UNTIL THE POLLS CLOSED. THEY WERE ALL OUT ON THE PHONES, TELLING PEOPLE TO GET PEOPLE TO THE POLLS. ALL THE REPUBLICANS WERE THERE MILLING AROUND, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, DRINKING THEIR WINE. AND I MEAN THAT SORT OF TELLS YOU WHERE THE PARTIES ARE IN TERMS OF VOTER TURNOUT EFFORTS. DEMOCRATS ARE MORE AGGRESSIVE RIGHT NOW IN IDENTIFYING THEIR VOTERS AND GETTING THEM TO THE POLLS.

Yepsen: KATHIE MAKES A GOOD POINT ABOUT VILSACK'S SPEECH. VILSACK HAS GOT TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT. THE WRONG TRACK NUMBERS OUT THERE ARE UP, AND THE BUZZ IN THE COFFEE SHOP ISN'T ABOUT HOW GOOD THINGS ARE IN IOWA. IT'S ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON DOWN THERE AT THE CAPITOL. THINGS ARE REALLY A MESS. HE'S GOT TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT.

Borg: THANKS FOR YOUR INSIGHTS. WE'VE GOT TO GO. WE'LL BE BACK AGAIN TO TALK THIS OVER LATER. THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK'S EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS." WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK, SAME TIME: FRIDAY 6:30, SUNDAY NOON. I'M DEAN BORG. THANKS FOR JOINING US TODAY.

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