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Iowa Press #3016
December 6, 2002

Yepsen: STATE UNIVERSITIES ARE TAKING A HEAVY HIT ON THE ONGOING STATE BUDGET CRUNCH IN IOWA. WE DISCUSS THE STATUS OF IOWA'S PUBLIC UNIVERSITIES WITH DR. WILLARD BOYD, INTERIM PRESIDENT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA, ON THIS EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS."

ANNOUNCER: FUNDING FOR "IOWA PRESS" WAS PROVIDED BY "FRIENDS," THE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION FOUNDATION; BY THE IOWA BANKERS ASSOCIATION... FOR PERSONAL, BUSINESS, AND COMMERCIAL NEEDS, IOWA BANKS HELP IOWANS REACH THEIR FINANCIAL GOALS; BY THE ASSOCIATED GENERAL CONTRACTORS OF IOWA... THE PUBLIC'S PARTNER IN BUILDING IOWA'S HIGHWAY, BRIDGE, AND MUNICIPAL UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE; AND BY IOWA NETWORK SERVICES AND YOUR LOCAL INDEPENDENT TELEPHONE COMPANY... IOWA NETWORK SERVICES, YOUR CLOSEST CONNECTION. ON STATEWIDE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION, THIS IS THE FRIDAY, DECEMBER 6 EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS." HERE IS DAVID YEPSEN.

Yepsen: FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW, STATE UNIVERSITY EDUCATION IN IOWA HAS BEEN CONSIDERED TO BE A BARGAIN; THAT IS, STATE TUITION RATES HAVE BEEN LOWER THAN COMPARABLE PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS IN SURROUNDING STATES. WELL, THAT FACT MAY BE A HARD SELL ON THE IOWA STUDENTS, MOMS, AND DADS WHO ARE WRITING TUITION CHECKS THESE DAYS. THE REALITY IS TUITION AND FEES ARE RAPIDLY INCREASING AT IOWA'S REGENTS INSTITUTIONS: THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA IN IOWA CITY, IOWA STATE UNIVERSITY IN AMES, AND THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTHERN IOWA IN CEDAR FALLS. IT TRANSLATES INTO TUITION AND FEE INCREASES OF 19 PERCENT LAST YEAR AND ANOTHER 20 PERCENT THIS YEAR. AND WHEN THE IOWA GENERAL ASSEMBLY PUTS TOGETHER THE BUDGET FOR FISCAL 2004 THIS COMING LEGISLATIVE SESSION, IT'S A FAIR BET THE INCREASES WILL CONTINUE. IT'S IN THAT ENVIRONMENT THAT OUR GUEST TODAY, DR. WILLARD BOYD, TOOK THE REINS AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA FOR THE SECOND TIME. DR. BOYD, A LAW PROFESSOR BY PROFESSION, WAS U OF I PRESIDENT FROM 1969 THROUGH 1981. IN AUGUST HE TOOK OVER AS INTERIM PRESIDENT AS THE SEARCH FOR A SUCCESSOR TO DR. MARY SUE COLEMAN CONTINUES. DR. BOYD, WELCOME TO IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION AND TO "IOWA PRESS." IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

Boyd: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE.

Yepsen: IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE. ALSO WITH US AT THE "IOWA PRESS" TABLE ARE KAY HENDERSON, NEWS DIRECTOR WITH "RADIO IOWA," AND MIKE GLOVER, SENIOR LEGISLATIVE AND POLITICAL REPORTER WITH THE "ASSOCIATED PRESS."

Glover: PRESIDENT BOYD, AS DAVID MENTIONED IN THE OPENING, TUITION HAS GONE UP SIGNIFICANTLY AT IOWA'S PUBLIC UNIVERSITIES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAST THREE YEARS, IT'S GONE UP ABOUT 50 PERCENT. THAT TREND IS LIKELY TO CONTINUE. ARE WE TAKING HIGHER EDUCATION AND PRICING IT OUT OF RANGE OF AVERAGE IOWA FAMILIES?

Boyd: WELL, I'M VERY WORRIED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I GREW UP IN A STATE UNIVERSITY ENVIRONMENT WHERE ACCESS IS KEY TO THE PURPOSE OF THE INSTITUTION, AND I DO THINK WE'RE GOING TO LOSE THE OPPORTUNITY. WE'RE TRYING VERY HARD IN THESE INCREASES TO UPGRADE THE AMOUNT OF FINANCIAL AID, BUT THIS IS WORRISOME. NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE TO WORK YOUR WAY THROUGH SCHOOL NOW BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO BORROW YOUR WAY THROUGH SCHOOL.

Glover: AND THE ARGUMENT IS OFTEN MADE THAT IOWA IS RELATIVELY LOW COMPARED TO OTHER STATES IN THE AMOUNT OF TUITION CHARGED BY THE STATE'S PUBLIC UNIVERSITIES. WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT?

Boyd: WELL, I THINK WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT IS THAT THE PER CAPITA INCOME IN IOWA TENDS TO BE SOMEWHAT LOWER, SO WE HAVE TO BE COMPETITIVE AND ACCESSIBLE TO IOWANS PRIMARILY.

Yepsen: YET, IF YOU HAVE INCREASING ENROLLMENTS, AS YOU ALWAYS DO, WHAT'S THE EVIDENCE THAT HIGHER TUITION RATES ARE CAUSING ACCESS PROBLEMS?

Boyd: WELL, I THINK THAT LEADS TO THE BORROWING. LET ME SAY ONE THING WHERE WE SEE THE INELASTICITY OF TUITION INCREASES IS IN THE MEDICAL SCHOOL, WHERE NOW THE APPLICATIONS FOR MEDICAL SCHOOL ALL OVER THE COUNTRY ARE GOING DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY BECAUSE PEOPLE DO NOT FEEL THAT THEY CAN AFFORD TO FINANCE THIS KIND OF AN EDUCATION. SO I THINK THERE'S A CRITICAL ISSUE HERE IN HOW MUCH DEBT YOU TAKE ON COMING OUT OF SCHOOL AND THEN THE ABILITY TO PAY THAT DEBT OFF.

Henderson: IN THIS POTENTIAL YEAR OF THE ROSES, LET'S LOOK AT THE OVERALL ROLE OF ATHLETICS AT YOUR UNIVERSITY. WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE APPROPRIATE MIX OF ATHLETICS VERSUS ACADEMICS IN IOWA CITY?

Boyd: WELL, ACADEMICS ARE FIRST AND FOREMOST. BUT I DO WANT SO SAY SOMETHING, TO ME, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, BECAUSE I GREW UP IN A BIG TEN ENVIRONMENT AT MINNESOTA. ALTHOUGH I HASTEN TO SAY MY FATHER WAS BORN IN IOWA, AND I RETURNED TO IOWA. IN FACT, I'VE COME TO IOWA TWICE. BUT OUR BEING A MEMBER OF THE BIG TEN HAS SET A VERY HIGH STANDARD ACADEMICALLY FOR US. THESE ARE GREAT ACADEMIC INSTITUTIONS, AND I ALSO FEEL VERY PRIVILEGED TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH IOWA STATE AND UNI, WHICH ARE OUTSTANDING INSTITUTIONS. BUT IN TERMS OF THE BIG TEN, IT SEEMS TO ME THEY'VE SET A HIGH ACADEMIC STANDARD. THEY ALSO SET A HIGH ATHLETIC STANDARD. MY OWN POSITION HAS BEEN THAT ATHLETICS SHOULD PAY THEIR OWN WAY, AND THAT'S BEEN THE POLICY AT IOWA, EXCEPT WHEN WOMEN'S ATHLETICS CAME INTO BEING. WE PUT ABOUT $2-MILLION WORTH OF GENERAL FUND, WHICH IS, OF COURSE, TUITION AS WELL AS APPROPRIATION. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS WHEN YOU HAVE THE LAW SCHOOL, WOMEN AND MEN TAKE THE SAME COURSES, BUT AT THIS POINT IN THE SPORTS FIELD, YOU HAVE TO DOUBLE THE SIZE OF THE TEAM. SO BASICALLY I FEEL THEY'RE VERY IMPORTANT. I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THEIR MARKETING EFFECT. THE FIRST REGENTS MEETING I WENT BACK TO, IT WAS A LONG MEETING AND THEN I HAD THE GREAT OPPORTUNITY OF MEETING WITH A NUMBER OF LEGISLATORS AFTERWARDS. AND I WENT HOME AND I WAS KIND OF EXHAUSTED. AS I SAY, AT 75, PHYSICALLY I WEAR OUT. SO I WAS LOOKING AT THE CHANNELS AND I, OF COURSE, WOULD ALWAYS LOOK AT IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION, BUT I WAS LOOKING FOR SOMETHING MINDLESS. BUT EVERYTHING WAS SO MINDLESS THAT I CAME BACK, AND YOU HAD A DOCUMENTARY ON ABOUT CHINA. AND THE FIRST PERSON OUT IS A ENTREPRENEUR IN BEIJING, AND I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT HIM IN A STUPOR, I GUESS. ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M LOOKING AT HIM, AND I THINK I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS. IT'S BEEN TOO LONG A DAY. AND THEN HE TURNS TO THE FRONT, AND IT SAYS IOWA HAWKEYES. SO I THINK THERE'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT MARKETING. AND IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IOWA IN PART BECAUSE OF OUR ATHLETICS, AND I WOULD INCLUDE THE CYCLONES AND THE PANTHERS AS WELL.

Henderson: LET'S TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE CASE OF BASKETBALL PLAYER PIERRE PIERCE. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT AT YOUR UNIVERSITY HANDLED THAT APPROPRIATELY?

Boyd: WELL, LET ME SAY THIS, AND I'M GOING TO BE VERY CIRCUMSPECT ON THIS. MY POSITION IS THAT NOTHING WAS DONE THAT WOULD COMPROMISE THE UNIVERSITY'S POLICIES AND PROCEDURES WITH RESPECT TO THE CODE OF STUDENT LIFE AND ANY KIND OF VIOLENCE POLICIES, AND THAT IS OUR POSITION. SO WE BELIEVE THAT THE UNIVERSITY PROCEDURES ARE STILL THERE, CAN FUNCTION, AND THAT THEY WERE NOT COMPROMISED BY ANY OF THE LITIGATION.

Glover: BUT THIS IS A BLACK EYE FOR YOU?

Boyd: WELL, IT COULD BE CERTAINLY CONCEIVED OF AS A BLACK EYE, OF COURSE. AND AS ONE GOES ALONG, THERE ARE ALWAYS PROBLEMS AND CHALLENGES. AND THIS IS A VERY MAJOR ONE, BECAUSE I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE ATMOSPHERE ON THE CAMPUS BECAUSE I FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT WE SHOULD TAKE EVERY STEP AGAINST SEXUAL HARASSMENT. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT DISCUSSIONS AND COMMENTS ABOUT PENDING LITIGATION. ALL OF THOSE THINGS WORRY ME A GREAT DEAL.

Henderson: BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CRITICS WHO SAY HE GOT SPECIAL TREATMENT BECAUSE HE WAS AN ATHLETE, TREATMENT A STUDENT ON AN ACADEMIC SCHOLARSHIP WOULD NOT HAVE RECEIVED?

Boyd: AND THAT'S WHY I'VE ASKED THE ATHLETIC COMMITTEE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. I DO NOT WANT THEM TO HAVE ANY SPECIAL TREATMENT.

Glover: THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION IN THE LAST CAMPAIGN OF THE ROLE THAT THE MAJOR PUBLIC UNIVERSITIES IN THIS STATE OUGHT TO PLAY IN THE STATE'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS AND EFFORTS TO GET THE ECONOMY GOING AGAIN. HOW CAN YOU GET THE UNIVERSITIES MORE INVOLVED IN HELPING TO SPUR THE ECONOMY?

Boyd: WELL, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE FOCUSED ON. IT'S BEEN A MAJOR EMPHASIS OF MINE IN THESE FEW MONTHS THAT I'M INTERIM. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY THAT HAVING A HIGHLY SOPHISTICATED WORK FORCE AT MANY DIFFERENT EDUCATED LEVELS IS CRITICAL TO SUCCESS FOR IOWA. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THROUGHOUT THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM, THE COMMUNITY COLLEGES, THE PRIVATE COLLEGES AND, OF COURSE, THE UNIVERSITIES. SO THAT'S FIRST AND FOREMOST. SECONDLY, I FEEL WE NEED TO BE ASSERTIVE IN WORKING WITH THE STATE IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND SO WE -- IN MY JUDGMENT, WE'VE CREATED THREE TASK FORCES TO ADDRESS THREE ASPECTS OF THIS IN MY TIME. WE'RE DEVELOPING -- DR. KELCH IS BECOMING THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR HEALTH AFFAIRS. THIS REFLECTS MY DESIRE THAT THE FIVE HEALTH COLLEGES, THE HYGIENIC LABORATORY, AND THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA HOSPITALS WORK TOGETHER TO EXPAND THEIR CAPABILITY. NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE ABLE TO DO IN IOWA CITY REALLY IS A BIOCATALYSIS LABORATORY WHERE WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE EFFORTS AT IOWA STATE TO EMPHASIZE PLANT SCIENCES. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, AND IT WAS A VERY INTERESTING ARTICLE -- EDITORIAL IN "THE REGISTER" ABOUT DIVERSIFICATION OF THE ECONOMY IN DUBUQUE RECENTLY. I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE OTHER ARROWS IN THE BOW, AND I THINK THAT THE HEALTH SCIENCES ARE ONE SUCH EFFORT. MY SECOND TASK FORCE IS ABOUT MANAGEMENT AND ORGANIZATIONS, HOW WE CAN BE HELPFUL TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF OUR PAPPAJOHN ENTREPRENEURIAL CENTER, THE LABOR CENTER, AND THE SMALL BUSINESS. AND THEN WE'RE WORKING VERY HEAVILY WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO HELP THEM IMPROVE. AND THEN I'VE GOT TO SAY ABOUT OUR IOWA NONPROFIT RESOURCE CENTER, WE'RE WORKING HARD WITH ALL THE NONPROFITS THROUGHOUT IOWA, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE BUILDING BLOCKS OF COMMUNITY.

Glover: AND HOW DO YOU TURN THAT QUESTION AROUND ON ITS EAR? THERE ARE THOSE WHO SAY UNIVERSITIES OUGHT NOT TO BE INVOLVED IN MUNDANE, RURAL, ORDINARY AFFAIRS OF GETTING THE ECONOMY GOING. THEY OUGHT TO BE LITTLE BASTIONS OF FREE THOUGHT.

Boyd: WELL, LET ME SAY THERE'S NOTHING MUNDANE ABOUT RURAL OR URBAN IOWA. TO ME IT'S THE EXCITING PART. THAT'S WHY I CALL MYSELF A ROAD RUNNER, AND THAT'S WHY IN MY DECLINING YEARS, I'M MORE INVIGORATED THAN EVER, BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO WORK WITH THE NONPROFITS ACROSS THE STATE BECAUSE THEY ARE ESSENTIAL TO -- AND THEY ALSO ARE VERY GOOD FOR ME IN TERMS OF MY INTELLECTUAL DEVELOPMENT. AND I'M IMPRESSED THE AMOUNT OF ROAD RUNNING THAT THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA DOES AROUND THIS STATE.

Yepsen: DR. BOYD, THINK OF THE BIGGER PICTURE FOR ME, IF YOU WOULD, FOR JUST A SECOND. WHAT DO WE DO IN IOWA? YOU'VE BEEN IN THIS STATE FOR A LONG TIME. YOU'RE A STUDENT OF THIS STATE, A THOUGHTFUL PERSON WHO LOOKS AT US AND OUR PROBLEMS. WHAT'S WRONG WITH IOWA TODAY? NOT JUST THE UNIVERSITY BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE STATE. WHAT'S WRONG WITH IOWA TODAY AND WHAT SHOULD WE BE DOING ABOUT IT?

Boyd: WELL, LISTEN, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH IOWA. I WOULDN'T HAVE COME BACK HERE IF I DIDN'T THINK THIS WAS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WERE FLOURISHING. I THINK WHAT WE'VE HAD IN THE WHOLE MIDDLE WEST IS AN ISSUE OF HOW WE LOOKED AT OURSELVES AS OTHER PARTS OF THE NATION EXPANDED IN THE SOUTH AND THE WEST. AND A LOT OF IOWANS WENT TO LONG BEACH, FOR EXAMPLE, AND OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE OPPORTUNITIES WENT. BUT I THINK WHAT THIS PROVES IS WE HAVE TO DIVERSIFY OUR ECONOMY. YOU KNOW, WHEN I WENT TO CHICAGO IN 1981, WHEN I THOUGHT THE UNIVERSITY NEEDED A REST FROM ME, I WENT TO A TOWN THAT HAD BEEN REALLY BURIED. THEY SAID IT WAS DEAD ON ARRIVAL BECAUSE IT WAS THE CAPITAL OF THE RUST BELT. AND TO SOME EXTENT -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY I DID THAT MUCH, BUT I PARTICIPATED IN THE RENAISSANCE OF CHICAGO, AND CHICAGO IS NOW A VIBRANT TOWN. MY GOSH, THEY COULD EVEN TAKE BOEING AWAY FROM SEATTLE. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO THINK POSITIVE AND WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT OUR GREAT NATURAL TALENTS HERE IN TERMS OF PEOPLE, OUR GREAT RESOURCES. OBVIOUSLY THE LAND IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE NEW ISSUES. BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE -- OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO DEVELOP THE IDEAS, DO SOME INCUBATION FOR THOSE. BUT THEN THE PRIVATE SECTOR HAS TO MOVE IN BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE DIFFERENCE COMES. IT'S UP TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR, AND WE NEED TO HELP THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

Henderson: BUT ONE OF THE REASONS PEOPLE WENT TO LONG BEACH AND ONE OF THE REASONS GRADUATES FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA LEAVE IS THAT THEY SAY THERE'S NOTHING TO DO HERE. AS A MAN OF THE ARTS, DO YOU SHARE THAT THOUGHT THAT THERE'S NOTHING TO DO TO ENRICH YOURSELF CULTURALLY IN IOWA?

Boyd: I THINK THIS STATE IS SO FULL OF CULTURE. I HAD THE GOOD FORTUNE OF CHAIRING THE 2010 SECTION ON CULTURE. AND IN A WONDERFUL FILM WE HAVE ABOUT THE ROLE OF NONPROFITS IN BUILDING IOWA, WE HAVE THE BARN MUSEUM OUT IN RED OAK; WE HAVE THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN MUSEUM UP IN CEDAR RAPIDS; WE HAVE THE DES MOINES PLAYHOUSE, WITH A THOUSAND VOLUNTEERS. I THINK THAT THE STATE IS VIBRANT.

Yepsen: DR. BOYD, THIRTY-TWO YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS UNDER YOUR TUTELAGE AS A STUDENT --

Boyd: AND WHEN I WAS MUCH YOUNGER.

Yepsen: -- THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT GETTING IOWA OUT OF THE BIG TEN. AND YOU SAID, "WHY SHOULD I? I'VE GOT THE BEST ART COLLECTION IN THE BIG TEN." SO WE'RE ALL QUITE PROUD OF THE FOOTBALL TEAM TODAY. HOW IS THE ART COLLECTION?

Boyd: THE ART COLLECTION IS BETTER THAN EVER.

Glover: DR. BOYD, I'D LIKE YOU TO STEP BACK AND TAKE A ANOTHER LONG LOOK AT SOMETHING. THE UNIVERSITIES -- THE REGENTS UNIVERSITIES USED TO BE KIND OF THE FAIR-HAIRED BOYS AND GIRLS AROUND THE STATE CAPITOL. TUITION WAS LOW, FUNDING WAS VIBRANT, THEY COULDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG. NOW THEY'RE KIND OF WALKING AROUND WITH BULL'S-EYES ON THEIR BACKS. THE LEGISLATURE IS CUTTING THEIR FUNDING. THEY'RE DRIVING TUITION UP. WHAT WENT WRONG?

Boyd: WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WENT WRONG, BUT LET ME TELL YOU THIS, THAT WHEN I CAME HERE IN 1950, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN AROUND FOR FIFTY YEARS, APPROPRIATIONS WERE PRETTY SPARSE THEN. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DEALT WITH ALL THE WAY ALONG THE LINE, AND I'M REALLY AMAZED AT WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH IN A SMALL STATE. WE HAVE NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED UNIVERSITIES. NOW, IN TERMS OF WHAT WENT WRONG, I THINK THAT EVERYBODY IS LOOKING FOR A PANACEA, AND WHAT THIS ALL INVOLVES IS ROLLING UP OUR SLEEVES AND WORKING TOGETHER. THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS.

Henderson: WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE SKIRMISH, OR PERHAPS EVEN THE WAR, AMONG THE EDUCATION ESTABLISHMENT IN IOWA, AMONG K-12 AND COMMUNITY COLLEGES AND THE REGENTS INSTITUTIONS AND EVEN PRIVATE COLLEGES, AS THEY BATTLE FOR STATE RESOURCES?

Boyd: WELL, I THINK THEY SHOULD BATTLE TOGETHER BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE PART OF A TOTAL. AND I WAS PRESIDENT AT THE TIME OF THE CREATION OF THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE MOVEMENT, A STRONG SUPPORTER OF IT. THERE WAS CRITICISM AT THE TIME OF THE LIBERAL ARTS SECTION. I WAS A VERY STRONG SUPPORTER OF THAT, PARTLY BECAUSE I GREW UP FEELING THAT EVERYBODY OUGHT TO HAVE ACCESS TO ARTS AND SCIENCES, AS WELL AS TECHNICAL EDUCATION. AND I -- WE WORKED VERY HARD IN TERMS OF ARTICULATION AGREEMENTS. WHEN STATE UNIVERSITIES MOVED TO ONLY TAKING THAT TOP 50 PERCENT OF THE HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATING CLASS, I FELT IT WAS IMPERATIVE THAT ANYBODY THAT GRADUATED FROM AN IOWA HIGH SCHOOL SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO ARTS AND SCIENCES. I WAS A SLOW STARTER MYSELF IN SCHOOL. SO HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP AT THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE, AND THEN SOME WILL NOT WANT TO GO ON ANY FURTHER. BUT I FEEL THIS IS A TOTAL PACKAGE AND THAT WE'RE FORTUNATE TO HAVE THE PRIVATE EDUCATION, THE COMMUNITY COLLEGES, AND THE REGENTS UNIVERSITIES.

Glover: BUT IF YOU WALK AROUND THE ROTUNDA AT THE STATEHOUSE WHEN THE LEGISLATURE IS IN SESSION, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE LOBBYISTS FOR THE COMMUNITY COLLEGES OUT HERE KIND OF WHISPERING IN LEGISLATORS' EARS: "YEAH, YOU CAN GET IN THAT REGENT BUDGET AND DIG ME OUT OF A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS FOR THIS." YOU'LL SEE LOBBYISTS FOR K-12 EDUCATION SAYING, "WELL, WE CAN GET THE COMMUNITY COLLEGES TO DRIVE THEIR TUITION UP A LITTLE BIT." YOU SEEM TO HAVE THOSE SEGMENTS OF THE EDUCATION SYSTEM ALMOST AT WAR WITH EACH OTHER. HOW DO YOU STOP THAT?

Boyd: WELL, YOU DON'T SEE -- YOU NEVER SAW ME DOING THIS THIRTY YEARS AGO. IN FACT, I WAS A STRONG PROPONENT FOR THE IOWA POST HIGH SCHOOL COORDINATING COUNCIL. IRONICALLY, AS ONE OF THE FOUNDERS NOW, BECAUSE MARY SUE -- IT'S OUR TURN TO BE THE CHAIRMAN, HERE I'M BACK MANY YEARS LATER AS THE CHAIRMAN. AND I THINK WE HAD A MEETING HERE IN DES MOINES THE OTHER DAY, AND IT WAS REALLY QUITE REMARKABLE AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT COMMON PROBLEMS OF ARTICULATION, FOR EXAMPLE. I THINK THAT BASICALLY SOME OF THE COMMUNITY COLLEGES CAME UP TO ME -- WELL, ALL OF THEM THAT WERE THERE -- AND EXPRESS THEIR APPRECIATION FOR THE WORK OF ONE PARTICULAR PERSON THAT WE HAVE ASSIGNED GOING FROM COMMUNITY COLLEGE TO COMMUNITY COLLEGE TO DEVELOP THE ARTICULATION.

Yepsen: EXCUSE ME, JUST SO OUR VIEWERS UNDERSTAND, ARTICULATION IS THE SYSTEM THAT SAYS ONE COURSE IN ANKENY IS GOING TO BE THE SAME AS THE COURSE IN IOWA CITY, RIGHT?

Boyd: NO, IT'S NOT EXACTLY THAT. THE OUTCOME WILL BE THE SAME. SO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS HAVE THAT COURSE IN ANKENY TRANSFER FOR FULL CREDIT TO WHATEVER DEGREE ORIENTATION --

Yepsen: I'M SORRY I INTERRUPTED YOU.

Boyd: NO, NO. IT'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT ARTICULATION WAS FOR MANY YEARS.

Glover: THERE WAS A STUDY NOT LONG AGO LOOKING AT THE MAJOR PUBLIC UNIVERSITIES IN IOWA TO SEE IF THEY WERE DUPLICATING EACH OTHER. IS IT TIME TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT?

Boyd: YOU CAN ALWAYS TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. MY ENTIRE FIFTY YEARS, WE'VE BEEN TAKING A LOOK AT THAT, AND I BASICALLY FEEL THAT IT'S INCREDIBLE THAT THIS STATE -- REMEMBER BACK IN 1960 WHEN THERE WAS STRONG PUBLIC PRESSURE REPRESENTED IN THE LEGISLATURE FOR A FOURTH REGENTS UNIVERSITY OVER IN THE WESTERN PART OF THE STATE AND THE LEGISLATURE APPROPRIATED MONEY TO BUY A SITE IN THE WESTERN SECTOR? WE HAVE REMARKABLY FEW -- WE ONLY HAVE THREE PUBLIC UNIVERSITIES IN THE STATE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE DAKOTAS, IF YOU LOOK AT NEBRASKA, IF YOU LOOK AT MISSOURI AND MINNESOTA, YOU'LL FIND A PROLIFERATION WHICH WE NEVER GOT INTO.

Henderson: WHEN YOU LOOK AT IOWA CITY AND AMES AND CEDAR FALLS, THOSE ARE SORT OF ECONOMIC ENGINES THAT ARE CHUGGING A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN THE REST OF THE STATE. THOSE REAL ESTATE MARKETS IN THOSE CITIES ARE THE BEST. THEY HAVE THE LOWEST UNEMPLOYMENT RATES AMONG IOWA'S COUNTIES. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN OUTSTATE IOWA WHO REALLY RESENT YOU IN IOWA CITY BECAUSE YOU ARE BENEFITING FROM THAT ECONOMIC GROWTH?

Boyd: WELL, LET ME SAY, FIRST OF ALL, THAT'S NOT UNIQUE OR PARTICULAR TO IOWA. IF YOU GO ACROSS THE COUNTRY, LET'S SAY THE RESEARCH TRIANGLE IN NORTH CAROLINA IS AGAIN CONNECTED WITH THE UNIVERSITY ENVIRONMENT. WHAT YOU HAVE IS AN INCUBATOR AND, THEREFORE, THIS DOES TEND TO HAVE A BENEFIT. BUT I GUESS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS TRYING TO REACH OUT TO COMMUNITIES ALL OVER THIS STATE WHO ARE ENTREPRENEURIAL AND WHO WANT TO WORK FORWARD. BUT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IS THE MOST STRATEGIC THING TO DO, AND WE CANNOT RUN AGAINST THE CURRENT, WHICH IS TO USE THESE UNIVERSITY TOWNS ALL OVER AMERICA AS INCUBATORS FOR IDEAS.

Glover: THERE'S BEEN A CONTROVERSY AT IOWA STATE AND SOMEWHAT OF A CONTROVERSY AT THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA ABOUT THE PRIVATE FOUNDATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ORGANIZED TO RAISE MONEY FOR THE UNIVERSITIES AND HOW PUBLIC THEIR OPERATIONS SHOULD BE. ARE YOU CONFIDENT, SATISFIED THAT THESE FOUNDATIONS ARE BEING ACCOUNTABLE, ACTING IN THE WAY THEY SHOULD, AND BEING PUBLIC ABOUT THE WHAT THEY'RE DOING?

Boyd: WELL, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN AROUND SO LONG -- IN 1955 THE PRESIDENT ASKED ME, AS A YOUNG INSTRUCTOR, TO ORGANIZE THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA FOUNDATION. AND BECAUSE I TEACH ABOUT NONPROFITS, I BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY IN TRANSPARENCY FOR PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL AS PUBLIC ORGANIZATIONS. THE ONE THING THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS, OBVIOUSLY, NOT TURNING OFF THE DONOR WHO WANTS SOME DEGREE OF PRIVACY AS TO WHAT THEY'RE GIVING AND BASICALLY WHAT THE NEGOTIATIONS ARE. IN TERMS OF MOST OF THE ACTIVITIES IN THE FUNDING AND SO FORTH, I THINK THAT OUGHT TO BE A PUBLIC --

Yepsen: BUT, DR. BOYD, THE ISSUE HAS ALSO BEEN ONE OF THE FOUNDATION IS NOT USING THE MONEY OR THE GIFT THE WAY THE DONOR INTENDED. CAN YOU -- FARMS WERE SOLD WHEN THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE AND SO FORTH. CAN YOU ASSURE DONORS -- POTENTIAL DONORS TODAY FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA THAT IF THEY GIVE A GIFT TO THE UNIVERSITY, IT'S GOING TO GET USED IN THE WAY THE DONOR INTENDED?

Boyd: I THINK SO BECAUSE RECENTLY I'VE HAD A CONVERSATION INITIATED BY THE FOUNDATION SHOWING ME THAT THEY'VE BEEN GOING BACK OVER ALL OF THE CONTRIBUTION RECORDS AS TO WHAT THE INTENT OF THE DONOR WAS, TO BE SURE THAT THEY WERE IN SYNC WITH WHAT THE DONOR'S INTENT IS.

Henderson: THEY'RE LOOKING FOR --

Boyd: WAS.

Henderson: THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE WHO WILL BE A PERMANENT PRESIDENT RATHER THAN AN INTERIM PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY. WHAT SHOULD THEY BE LOOKING FOR IN THAT INDIVIDUAL?

Boyd: WELL, YOU KNOW, I STAY OUT OF THAT SEARCH. ALL I'M HOPING IS THAT THEY GET THIS OVER WITH QUICKLY. [ LAUGHTER ] BUT THERE IS NO ONE PARTICULAR TYPE OF -- I WON'T SPEAK ABOUT MYSELF, BUT WE'VE HAD THREE WONDERFUL PRESIDENTS SINCE I WAS HERE, AND EACH ONE OF THEM WAS OUTSTANDING, EACH ONE WAS DIFFERENT. THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT YOU'VE GOT TO LIKE PEOPLE.

Glover: YOU'VE BEEN AROUND THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA FOR A LONG TIME. YOU'VE OBSERVED STUDENTS FOR A LONG TIME, FROM DAVID'S ERA UP TILL NOW. HOW HAVE STUDENTS CHANGED AT THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA?

Boyd: YOU KNOW, IN ONE SENSE, THE STUDENTS CHANGE EVERY YEAR, AND SO YOU NEED TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT. I WOULD SAY -- YOU KNOW, THE TIME THAT DAVID WAS THERE WAS A TIME OF -- WELL, NOT JUST BECAUSE OF DAVID.

Glover: THE EARTH WAS COOLING AT THAT TIME. [ LAUGHTER ]

Boyd: THE POINT IS THAT THERE WERE THREE MAJOR THINGS HAPPENING AT THAT TIME, ONE WITH WHICH I WAS VERY STRONGLY IDENTIFIED AND THAT IS THE OPENING OF THE UNIVERSITY TO EVERYBODY, TO WOMEN. SO LAST NIGHT I MET WITH THE ENGINEERING STUDENTS, AND WOMEN ARE VERY COMMON THERE. THE LAW SCHOOL IS 50 PERCENT WOMEN, AND ETHNIC DIVERSITY AND OTHER KINDS OF DISABILITY PEOPLE. SO THAT WAS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE AND THERE HAD TO BE BASICALLY PRESSURE TO GET FROM HERE TO THERE. AND I'VE NEVER LIKED PRESSURE BUT I'VE UNDERSTOOD IT. THEREFORE, I DON'T TAKE OFFENSE AT IT. SO OPENING OF THE UNIVERSITY WAS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE IN THOSE DAYS. ANOTHER IMPORTANT ISSUE WAS THE WHOLE ISSUE OF PARENTAL CONTROL, BECAUSE IN THOSE DAYS THE WOMEN ALL LIVED ON ONE SIDE OF THE RIVER, THE MEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER. THERE WERE STRONG RESTRICTIONS AND THEY DIFFERENTIATED BETWEEN THE WOMEN -- THE WOMEN HAD HIGHER RESTRICTIONS THAN THE MEN, AND THE STUDENTS WANTED TO GET RID OF THAT DISCRIMINATION. THE OTHER THING WAS THE WAR IN VIETNAM. AND THE WAR IN VIETNAM WAS AFFECTING EVERY SINGLE STUDENT IN THAT UNIVERSITY IN THOSE DAYS BECAUSE OF CONSCRIPTION.

Yepsen: DR. BOYD, WHY DON'T YOU WANT TO TAKE THE PRESIDENCY ON A FULL-TIME BASIS? SOME OF US THOUGHT WE OUGHT TO JUST TRUNCATE THIS SEARCH PROCESS AND MAKE YOU THE PRESIDENT.

Boyd: BECAUSE I'M SUCH A BUSY ROAD RUNNER FOR THE IOWA NONPROFIT RESOURCE CENTER, TRYING TO WORK IN COMMUNITIES TO HELP THEM BUILD.

Henderson: SINCE 1969 HOW HAS THE MISSION OF THE UNIVERSITY CHANGED?

Boyd: YOU KNOW, IN SOME WAYS NOT AT ALL. GIVING PEOPLE THE BEST EDUCATION OF THE TIMES AND NOT -- YOU KNOW, YOU THINK I'M PRETTY EGOTISTICAL, BUT THE ONE THING I WANT TO SAY IS THAT THE WAY I TEACH A COURSE NOW, I TEACH A COURSE -- WE TEACH A TEAM COURSE ON NONPROFITS. WE HAVE 160 STUDENTS. WE HAVE THEM IN THREE DIFFERENT ROOMS SIMULTANEOUSLY IN THE UNIVERSITY, AND THEN WE'VE GOT A CLASS IN SPENCER, ONE IN COUNCIL BLUFFS, AND ONE IN DAVENPORT. NOW, WE USE THAT ICN. THAT'S A BIG CHANGE. WE ALSO USE AN ELECTRONIC BLACKBOARD. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED THIS MORNING, THEY WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT GETTING A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR NONPROFIT UP. WELL, WE SIMPLY WENT FROM ONE WEB SITE TO ANOTHER WEB SITE AND GOT IT UP FOR ALL THE STUDENTS, WHETHER THEY WERE IN IOWA CITY IN THREE DIFFERENT ROOMS OR THROUGHOUT THE STATE. SO THAT'S BEEN A VERY MAJOR CHANGE IN THE DELIVERY SYSTEM. BUT WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IS PROVIDE THE BEST KNOWLEDGE, THE BEST TEACHING AT THE TIME, REALIZING THIS IS A MOVING TARGET.

Glover: YOU'VE BEEN AWAY AND YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE DISTANCE FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S HAPPENED SINCE YOU'VE LEFT WAS THE CREATION OF THE IOWA COMMUNICATIONS NETWORK. IS THAT NETWORK SERVING THE PURPOSE THAT LEGISLATORS THOUGHT IT WOULD WHEN IT WAS CREATED? IS IT ACTUALLY THE VALUE THAT PEOPLE SOLD IT AS?

Boyd: I THINK SO. WE'VE GOT 4,000 STUDENTS RIGHT NOW IN EXTERNAL DEGREE PROGRAMS ON ICN. AND AS I SAID, I USE ICN FOR THE OUTREACH TO THESE OTHER VENUES IN THE STATE BUT ALSO ON THE CAMPUS, SO I FIND IT VERY VALUABLE. IT'S A LITTLE COMPLICATED IN THE SENSE THAT OF COURSE YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THIS MICROPHONE, YOU HAVE TO BE IN A BENCH-LIKE SITUATION, SO IT'S FAIRLY COSTLY. BUT IN THE LAW SCHOOL, FOR EXAMPLE, WE BEAM IT OVER AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE EQUIPMENT BUT THEY CAN RECEIVE IT AND THEN THEY E-MAIL US BACK AT THE ICN HEADQUARTERS. SO, YOU KNOW, NECESSITY IS THE MOTHER OF INVENTION, BUT ICN IS GREAT.

Henderson: YOUR PREDECESSOR WAS INVOLVED IN AN EFFORT TO CURB BINGE DRINKING AT COLLEGE CAMPUSES NATIONWIDE. IOWA CITY CITY COUNCIL HAS DISCUSSED AN ORDINANCE WHICH WOULD BAN DRINK SPECIALS AS A MEANS OF REDUCING STUDENT DRINKING. IS THAT STILL A PROBLEM, A BUGABOO ON CAMPUS?

Boyd: DRINKING?

Henderson: MM-HMM.

Boyd: IT'S STILL A PROBLEM AND I WOULD SAY IT'S ANY NUMBER OF STUDENTS WHO ARE ENGAGED IN BINGE DRINKING. AND THERE ARE NOT THAT MANY, BUT THERE ARE ENOUGH TO BE WORRIED ABOUT. AND I WORRY -- AND I TALK TO THEM AND SOMETIMES I THINK THEY THINK -- I TALK TO STUDENT LEADERS AND I THINK THEY THINK THEIR GRANDFATHER IS TALKING TO THEM. BUT I TALK TO THEM ABOUT THE SELF-DESTRUCTIVE NATURE OF THIS AND THE DESTRUCTIVE NATURE IN TERMS OF OTHERS, IN TERMS OF LEADING TO SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND VIOLENCE, ALSO TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS. AND WE ARE TRYING TO WORK IN TERMS WITH THE STUDENTS SO THAT SOME OF THEIR NORMS WILL SHIFT SO THAT THEY WILL NOT CONSIDER THIS COOL.

Yepsen: DR. BOYD, WE'VE GOT ABOUT THIRTY SECONDS LEFT. WHAT'S THE BIGGEST THING YOU THINK THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA SHOULD CHANGE? WHAT SHOULD IT LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE?

Boyd: WELL, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT I SHOULD SAY, BECAUSE I COULD NEVER HAVE IMAGINED THE UNIVERSITY OF IOWA FIFTY YEARS AGO THE WAY IT IS TODAY, HOW MUCH IT HAS CHANGED, AND HOW MUCH STRONGER IT IS. BUT ALSO, I NEVER IMAGINED ICN. I NEVER IMAGINED THE ELECTRIC ELECTRONIC BLACKBOARD. SO I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE AND TO BE RECEPTIVE TO CHANGE.

Glover: IS IT DIVERSE ENOUGH?

Boyd: IT CAN NEVER BE DIVERSE ENOUGH AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT WE LIVE IN A DIVERSE WORLD AND THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR OUR STUDENTS TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH DIVERSITY AND NOT TOLERATE IT BUT RESPECT IT AND UNDERSTAND IT.

Yepsen: THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO BE WITH US TODAY. WE'RE OUT OF TIME.

Boyd: MY PLEASURE.

Yepsen: NOW, ON OUR NEXT EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS," WE FOCUS ON THE MONEY PROBLEMS FACING THE UPCOMING IOWA LEGISLATIVE SESSION, WHICH GETS UNDERWAY ON MONDAY, JANUARY 13. JOINING US TO DISCUSS BUDGET MATTERS ARE SENATOR JEFF LAMBERTI, REPUBLICAN FROM ANKENY WHO SITS AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE IN THE IOWA SENATE, AND REPRESENTATIVE PAT MURPHY, DEMOCRAT FROM DUBUQUE, THE RANKING MEMBER ON THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE IN THE IOWA HOUSE. AIRTIME NEXT WEEKEND IS FRIDAY AT 6:30 P.M. WITH A REBROADCAST SUNDAY AT NOON. THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK'S EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS." I'M DAVID YEPSEN OF "THE DES MOINES REGISTER" SITTING IN FOR DEAN BORG. THANKS FOR JOINING US HERE ON STATEWIDE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION.

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