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David Yepsen, Todd Dorman, Mike Glover, Joyce Russell
(#3046)
July 4, 2003

IOWA PRESS #3046>>

Borg: IOWA'S DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR AND THE REPUBLICAN-CONTROLLED GENERAL ASSEMBLY AREN'T SEEING EYE TO EYE CONCERNING THE GOVERNOR'S VETO POWERS. IT APPEARS THE COURTS WILL DECIDE WHO'S RIGHT. SHOWDOWN PERSPECTIVE FROM STATEHOUSE JOURNALISTS ON THIS EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS."

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Borg: EARLIER THIS WEEK ON A STRICTLY PARTISAN VOTE, THE IOWA LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL VOTED TO HIRE LEGAL COUNCIL TO TAKE GOVERNOR TOM VILSACK TO COURT. REPUBLICANS CONTROLLING THE LEGISLATURE SAY THE GOVERNOR EXCEEDED HIS LINE-ITEM VETO POWERS. THEY SAY HE WAS WRONG IN REJECTING A TAX CUT AND RELAXED BUSINESS REGULATIONS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN LEGISLATION CREATING A HALF-BILLION-DOLLAR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND THE GOVERNOR WANTED. BATTLE LINES ARE DRAWN. AND FOR PERSPECTIVE, WE'VE CONVENED STATEHOUSE REPORTERS WHO ARE EMBEDDED IN THE TWO CAMPS: "DES MOINES REGISTER" POLITICAL COLUMNIST, DAVID YEPSEN, "LEE NEWSPAPERS" STATEHOUSE REPORTER TODD DORMAN, "ASSOCIATED PRESS" SENIOR LEGISLATIVE REPORTER MIKE GLOVER, AND "WOI PUBLIC RADIO" STATEHOUSE REPORTER JOYCE RUSSELL. AND, JOYCE, I JUST WANT YOU, FIRST OF ALL, TO GIVE US A STATUS OF THAT CONFLICT.

Russell:: WELL, AS YOU SAID, THE LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL VOTED TO RETAIN COUNSEL. AND IT WOULD BE SURPRISING IF A LAW FIRM WOULD ADVISE THEM NOT TO SUE. IF THEY DO, THE LEGISLATURE WILL JOIN OTHER LEGISLATURES AROUND THE COUNTRY WHO, FROM TIME TO TIME -- INCLUDING IN IOWA'S PAST THERE'S A SIMILAR INCIDENT -- FROM TIME TO TIME WILL CHALLENGE A GOVERNOR'S LINE-ITEM VETO. REPUBLICANS SAY THAT THEY'RE PROTECTING THEIR LEGISLATIVE TURF. DEMOCRATS CALL THIS A FAILURE OF THE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE GOVERNOR.


Borg: SO THERE'S STILL TIME TO BACK OUT. YOU SAID IT'S UNLIKELY THAT A FIRM WOULD SAY DON'T SUE. BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT THEY'RE ASKING RIGHT NOW; IS THAT IT?

Russell:: THAT'S RIGHT. THEY'RE ASKING FOR ADVICE ON WHETHER OR NOT TO TAKE THE GOVERNOR TO COURT.


Borg: AND, TODD, IF THE GOVERNOR IS SUED, DOES THE ATTORNEY GENERAL THEN DEFEND HIM?

Dorman: THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WOULD DEFEND THE GOVERNOR AND HAS SAID -- AND HAS ALREADY SAID THAT HE WILL DEFEND THE GOVERNOR AND HAS SAID THAT THE GOVERNOR'S ACTION IS CONSTITUTIONAL. THE REPUBLICANS ARE INTERVIEWING SEVERAL LAW FIRMS AROUND THE STATE. I THINK LAW FIRMS IN SIOUX CITY, DAVENPORT, AND DES MOINES ARE AMONG THE ONES THAT THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT SO FAR.


Glover: DEAN, LET'S ELIMINATE ANY LAST DOUBT THAT WE HAVE HERE; THEY ARE GOING TO SUE THE GOVERNOR. THAT IS NOT UP IN QUESTION. THEY'RE GOING TO SUE THE GOVERNOR, AND IT MAY NOT BE THE ONLY LAWSUIT AGAINST THE GOVERNOR OVER THESE VETOES.


Borg: WHY?


Glover: THE REPUBLICANS IN THE LEGISLATURE ARE THINKING OF SUING HIM, CLAIMING HE EXCEEDED HIS LINE-ITEM VETO AUTHORITY. A LOT OF LIBERAL GROUPS WORRY THAT THAT LEGAL CHALLENGE COULD SUCCEED, THAT THEY COULD SUCCEED IN HAVING THE GOVERNOR'S LINE-ITEM VETOES OVERTURNED. AND IF THAT HAPPENS, THEN THE WHOLE PACKAGE, TAX CUTS AND ALL, GOES INTO FORCE. SO GROUPS LIKE THE TRIAL LAWYERS AND LABOR ARE THINKING OF SUING, ARGUING THAT THE GOVERNOR -- THAT THE BILL ITSELF VIOLATES THE STATE'S SINGLE PURPOSE CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION, WHICH SAYS THAT EVERY BILL SHOULD ONLY HAVE ONE PURPOSE. SO THERE COULD BE MORE THAN ONE LAWSUIT AGAINST HIM, BUT THERE WILL BE LAWSUITS.

Russell:: WE SHOULD PROBABLY CLARIFY WHAT HE VETOED. HE VETOED INCOME TAX CUTS AND REGULATORY REFORMS THAT ARE PART OF THE BIG PACKAGE.


Borg: THANKS, JOYCE. BUT BACK TO THE POINT THAT MIKE IS MAKING. WOULD THESE BE SIMULTANEOUS BUT SEPARATE LAWSUITS?


Glover: SURE, SURE. THE LEGISLATURE WILL FILE A LAWSUIT PROBABLY YET THIS SUMMER, ARGUING THAT THE GOVERNOR EXCEEDED HIS ITEM VETO AUTHORITY. AND TO CLARIFY, THE GOVERNOR HAS THE AUTHORITY TO LINE-ITEM VETO SPENDING BILLS. IN OTHER WORDS, IN A BILL THAT SPENDS MONEY, HE CAN GO INTO THAT BILL AND PICK THE ITEMS HE WANTS TO APPROVE AND THE ITEMS THAT HE WANTS TO REJECT. OTHER BILLS, POLICY BILLS, HE MUST ACCEPT OR REJECT OUTRIGHT. THE REPUBLICANS ARGUE THAT IN THIS BILL, WHICH IS NOT AN APPROPRIATIONS BILL, HE WENT IN AND PICKED AND CHOSE THE ONES HE WANTED TO ACCEPT. HE SAYS HIS LINE-ITEM VETO POWER IS BROADER THAN REPUBLICANS ARE ARGUING. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE LAWYERS AND COURTS.


Yepsen: YOU KNOW, DEAN, YOU CAN TALK TO RESPECTED LAWYERS ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND THEY'LL COME DOWN ON DIFFERENT SIDES OF THIS QUESTION. SO IT IS A LEGITIMATE QUESTION IN THE LAW: JUST WHAT IS THE GOVERNOR'S ITEM VETO AUTHORITY?


Borg: I THOUGHT -- DAVE, BEFORE YOU GO ON WITH YOUR THOUGHT, THOUGH, DIDN'T WE SETTLE THIS A FEW DECADES AGO?


Yepsen: THERE HAVE BEEN LAWSUITS. THIS IS A RELATIVELY NEW CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT. IT'S ONLY ABOUT THIRTY YEARS OLD. THERE HAS BEEN LITIGATION BEFORE AND THERE ARE CLARIFICATIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE. THE LAW IS WHAT THE COURTS SAY IT IS. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS LITIGATION, AND AT ONE LEVEL THAT'S HEALTHY BECAUSE WE'LL GET SOME CLARIFICATION OF THAT. THE SAD NEWS OF THIS IS, WE REALLY HAVE PUT AN END TO ANY NOTION OF COOPERATION. MOST OF THE DISCUSSION UP THERE NOW AT THE STATEHOUSE ISN'T THAT THEY'RE HEADED TOWARD SOME LAWSUIT, THEY'RE HEADED TO DIVORCE COURT. THE HONEYMOON ISN'T JUST OVER; THEY'RE GOING MUCH FARTHER THAN THAT. AND THAT'S TOO BAD BECAUSE DO WE HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS THAT NEEDED ADDRESSING IN IOWA, AND THAT ATMOSPHERE IS GONE. WE ARE HEADED INTO AN ELECTION YEAR. THERE'S A LOT OF AMBIGUITY NOW ABOUT PUBLIC POLICY IN THIS STATE. WITH ALL THIS STUFF TIED UP IN THE COURTS, IS THIS GOING TO BECOME LAW, IS IT NOT? SO EVERYTHING WILL KIND OF BE IN A HIATUS MODE FOR A WHILE UNTIL THIS THING FINALLY DOES GET TO THE SUPREME COURT SEVERAL MONTHS FROM NOW.


Borg: JOYCE, HE SAID "UNTIL." WHEN'S UNTIL?

Russell:: OH, THE COURT -- THE SUIT WILL TAKE NINETY DAYS. IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN?


Borg: YES, I DO.

Russell:: SO IT WON'T DRAG ON.


Borg: AND IT WILL BE FILED IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN POLK COUNTY.

Russell:: POLK COUNTY DISTRICT COURT.


Glover: WITHIN NINETY DAYS, BUT IT WON'T BE SETTLED WITHIN NINETY DAYS.


Yepsen: NO, IT WILL TAKE MUCH LONGER THAN THAT TO GET THROUGH THE SUPREME COURT.


Glover: AND I GET -- DAVE'S POINT IS VALID. THE ATMOSPHERE UP THERE IS POISONOUS. THEY FEEL -- BOTH SIDES FEEL VIOLATED, THEY FEEL CHEATED ON, AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. I HAVE TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, DEAN. I GET A LITTLE IMPATIENT WITH THAT. THESE ARE ADULT POLITICIANS IN A TOUGH HARD-NAILS BUSINESS, AND I GET TIRED OF HEARING HOW PEOPLE'S FEELINGS ARE HURT. OH, THAT'S TOO BAD: "MY FEELINGS ARE HURT; I FEEL BETRAYED; I FEEL I'M OBSTRUCTED." THE FUTURE OF THIS STATE IS AT STAKE, AND THESE PEOPLE ARE BOTHERING US, TELLING US THAT THEY FEEL BETRAYED. I GET TIRED OF THAT.


Yepsen: I WOULDN'T GO AS FAR AS TO SAY THE FUTURE OF THE STATE IS AT STAKE. I MEAN WE ALL COVER POLITICS. THIS IS WHAT WE DO FOR A LIVING, SO OUR FOCUS IS ON THAT. I MEAN THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS LIFE IN IOWA GOES ON, AND THESE GUYS ARE BIT PLAYERS IN THE ECONOMY. WE HAVE A $90-MILLION ECONOMY. THE FACT THAT SOME $500-MILLION OR $40-MILLION, OR WHATEVER IT IS THIS WEEK, FUND IS HELD UP, I MEAN, REALLY ISN'T GOING TO ALTER A LOT OF THE BUSINESS DECISIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE. SO I GUESS THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS.


Borg: BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FEEL LIKE MIKE DOES AT ELECTION TIME, AND WHO IS GOING TO SUFFER FROM THAT?


Yepsen: WELL, DEAN, WE LIVE IN A VERY PARTISAN ERA, NATIONALLY AND LOCALLY. WE'RE GOING INTO A VERY TOUGH ELECTION YEAR. DEMOCRATS ARE A LITTLE SPOOKED HERE IN IOWA. I MEAN THEY'RE LOOKING AT CHUCK GRASSLEY AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET. THEY'RE LOOKING AT FOUR INCUMBENT REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN. THEY'RE LOOKING AT REPUBLICANS CONTROLLING THE LEGISLATURE, AND THEY'RE NERVOUS. AND SO THEY'RE LEANING ON THE GOVERNOR: KILL THIS STUFF; DON'T SIGN ELECTION REFORM BILLS; VETO CHARTER BILLS; YOU'VE GOT TO PROTECT US, GOVERNOR. SO HE'S UNDER ENORMOUS PRESSURES BY HIS PARTY.


Borg: TODD, HE MENTIONED THE --

ussell: AS FAR AS --


Borg: I'LL GET TO YOU IN JUST A MINUTE, JOYCE. HE MENTIONED THE ELECTION REFORM BILL. TELL US ABOUT THAT. THAT WAS A VETO TOO.

Dorman: WELL, IT WAS A BILL THAT WOULD HAVE PUT IN PLACE SEVERAL REFORMS THAT WERE REQUIRED UNDER THE HELP AMERICA VOTE ACT, WHICH WAS A FEDERAL LEGISLATION. IT ALSO -- REPUBLICANS ALSO INCLUDED SOME PIECES THAT WOULD HAVE LIMITED ABSENTEE BALLOT USE, WHICH DEMOCRATS DIDN'T LIKE BECAUSE DEMOCRATS HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB OF GETTING THE ABSENTEE VOTE OUT. IT INCLUDED SOME OTHER REFORMS: CLOSING THE POLLS EARLIER. IT WOULD HAVE MADE VOTERS SHOW IDENTIFICATION.


Borg: HE DIDN'T LIKE IT.

Dorman: HE DIDN'T LIKE THOSE PARTS. AND THE DEBATE WAS ESSENTIALLY FOCUSED ON WHETHER THE STATE WOULD BECOME ELIGIBLE FOR FEDERAL FUNDING. ONCE THE GOVERNOR MADE IT CLEAR THAT HE WASN'T GOING TO SIGN THAT BILL, REPUBLICANS PULLED FEDERAL -- PULLED THE MATCHING FUNDS FOR FEDERAL FUNDING, WHICH HAS THROWN THE NOTION OF WHETHER IOWA IS EVER GOING TO GET FEDERAL FUNDING TO COMPLY WITH HAVA OUT THE WINDOW.


Glover: THIS WAS LEGISLATION THAT CONGRESS PASSED IN THE WAKE OF THE 2000 DEBACLE. AFTER THE GORE/BUSH DEBACLE IN FLORIDA, CONGRESS WENT IN AND SAID WE NEED TO GIVE THE STATE SOME ASSISTANCE BECAUSE THE STATE -- STATES WHICH RUN ELECTIONS. THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS ARE NOT NATIONAL ELECTIONS; THERE ARE 50 STATE ELECTIONS. AND A LOT OF STATES HAVE OUTDATED VOTING SYSTEMS, OUTDATED VOTING MACHINES, OUTDATED VOTER REGISTRATION SYSTEMS. SO CONGRESS SAID WE'LL COME UP WITH A BOAT LOAD OF MONEY TO HELP STATES UPGRADE THEIR SYSTEMS, BUT TO GET THAT MONEY, STATES HAVE TO DO A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE OF THE THINGS THEY HAVE TO DO IS CREATE A CENTRALIZED VOTER REGISTRATION SYSTEM. THE OTHER THING THEY HAVE TO DO IS AGREE NOT TO USE SOME OF THESE OUTDATED VOTING MACHINES, AND SO YOU HAVE TO PASS LEGISLATION. ONCE YOU DO THAT, YOU CAN GET THE MONEY. IOWA, THE LEGISLATURE AGREED TO DO THAT, BUT THEN REPUBLICANS WENT BEYOND THAT AND SAID, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE ABSENTEE BALLOTS -- GREATLY LIMIT ABSENTEE BALLOTS, WE'RE GOING TO SHORTEN VOTING HOURS, AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE VOTERS SHOW IDENTIFICATION AT THE POLLS, IN OTHER WORDS, MAKE IT A LITTLE TOUGHER TO VOTE. SO IT WAS A BIG SHOWDOWN.

Russell:: AND THE BOAT LOAD OF MONEY MAY BE SINKING. WHEN THE GOVERNOR WAS GETTING READY TO VETO THE BILL, HE INDICATED THAT -- THERE ARE INDICATIONS FROM WASHINGTON THAT THIS MONEY THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE FOR ELECTION REFORM MAY NOT BE FORTHCOMING ANYWAY.


Borg: GONE FOR GOOD.

Russell:: OR AT LEAST DELAYED.


Yepsen: ONE OF THE -- REPUBLICANS MAY HAVE OVERPLAYED THEIR HAND HERE. I MEAN I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH SOME OF THE REFORMS THEY WANTED TO MAKE TO IOWA'S ELECTION LAWS. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 44 PEOPLE IN JOHNSON COUNTY WHOSE VOTE WASN'T TABULATED BECAUSE SOME IDIOT WORKING FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY FORGOT TO TURN THE BALLOTS IN, SO I THINK A LITTLE BALLOT SECURITY IS PROBABLY GOOD. BUT, DEAN, MUCH OF THIS MONEY WAS GOING TO GO TO COUNTIES AROUND IOWA TO BUY NEW VOTING MACHINES. AND I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE HELPED REPUBLICAN COUNTS IN RURAL IOWA. IN DES MOINES, WHEN I GO TO VOTE, IF I MESS UP MY BALLOT, THE COMPUTER SPITS IT OUT. MY VOTE IS COUNTED RIGHT THERE AT THE PRECINCT. AND THAT'S TRUE IN LINN COUNTY AND IN JOHNSON COUNTY. THE LARGE URBAN COUNTIES, VOTERS GO, THEIR VOTE GETS COUNTED RIGHT WHEN THEY VOTE. IF THEY MAKE A MISTAKE, THEY GET A CHANCE TO VOTE AGAIN. BUT IF YOU GO TO A RURAL -- MANY RURAL COUNTIES IN IOWA, THOSE VOTES ARE NOT COUNTED AT THE PRECINCT. THEY'RE COUNTED AT THE COURTHOUSE SO THE VOTER CASTS A VOTE, HANDS IT IN, AND IT DOESN'T GET TABULATED UNTIL IT GETS TO THE COURTHOUSE. IF A MISTAKE IS MADE THERE OR DETECTED THERE, THE BALLOT IS THROWN OUT. AND I THINK IN A CLOSE ELECTION LIKE WE HAD IN IOWA IN 2000, ARGUABLY, WAS A REVERSE OF WHAT HAPPENED IN FLORIDA, THAT THERE WERE MORE SPOILED REPUBLICAN BALLOTS IN IOWA THAN THERE WERE DEMOCRATIC ONES, AND GEORGE BUSH COULD HAVE CARRIED THE STATE. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY REPUBLICANS THINK IT'S SMART POLITICS NOT TO HAVE ACCURATE VOTE COUNTS IN THEIR STRONGHOLDS.


Glover: I THINK -- I THINK THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, DAVE, IS THAT REPUBLICANS -- SOME REPUBLICANS ARE A PRISONER OF IDEOLOGY ON THIS. SOME REPUBLICANS ARE ADHERENCE TO THE FAITH OF LET'S SUPPRESS VOTER TURNOUT: IF WE CAN DRIVE DOWN VOTER TURNOUT AMONGST UNCOMMITTED VOTERS, IT HELPS REPUBLICANS. THAT'S AN OVERWHELMING, OVERARCHING, IDEOLOGICAL PREFERENCE ON THEIR PART.


Yepsen: YEAH, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO SUPPRESS YOUR OWN TURNOUT IN THE PROCESS.


Glover: WELL, TELL THEM THAT, DAVID.


Borg: TODD, BACK TO YOU. ARE WE FINISHED WITH SPECIAL LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS FOR THIS YEAR?

Dorman: AS LONG AS THE BUDGET HOLDS UP, WE'RE FINISHED WITH SPECIAL LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS. I -- THERE WAS A QUESTION OF WHETHER THEY WOULD COME BACK TO DEAL WITH THE GAMBLING ISSUE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.


Borg: DO YOU THINK -- I'M ASKING ALL OF YOU. THESE SPECIAL SESSIONS THAT WE KEEP HAVING, IS THIS A FAILURE OF THE WAY THAT IOWA IS STRUCTURED IN ITS LEGISLATIVE PROCESS?


Glover: NO, NO. IF YOU LOOK AROUND THE COUNTRY, DEAN, IT'S NOT THAT UNUSUAL. WE COME IN IN IOWA IN JANUARY AND HAVE A LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT LASTS UNTIL APRIL OR EARLY MAY. AND THEN THERE'S NINE MONTHS LEFT OF A BUDGET YEAR, NINE MONTHS LEFT THAT THINGS CAN HAPPEN TO THE ECONOMY, NINE MONTHS LEFT OF THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN -- IT'S NOT UNUSUAL IF YOU LOOK AROUND THE COUNTRY FOR OTHER LEGISLATURES TO BE IN SESSION. I SAW A STORY THAT THE A.P. DID AROUND THE FIRST OF JULY WHERE STATES WERE STRUGGLING WITH THEIR BUDGETS. MOST OF THE LEGISLATURES IN AMERICA WERE IN SESSION TO DEAL WITH BUDGET PROBLEMS, SO IT'S NOT UNUSUAL AT ALL.

Dorman: AND IOWANS ARE INDUSTRIOUS FOLKS. THEY WANT YOU TO GET THE JOB DONE. THEY WANT YOU TO WORK OVERTIME IF YOU HAVE TO AND THAT'S -- THAT'S SOMETIMES NECESSARY.


Yepsen: I THINK, DEAN, WHAT THEY OUGHT TO GO BACK TO IS A SYSTEM OF ONE SESSION EVERY OTHER YEAR, AND THEN COME BACK WHEN THEY HAVE ANY WORK TO DO. AS IT IS, WHEN THEY -- WHEN THEY'RE IN SESSION, THEY DREAM UP TAXES AND NEW LAWS TO PASS ON PEOPLE. WE'D PROBABLY BE BETTER OFF IF THEY HAD FEWER REGULAR SESSIONS AND MORE SPECIAL SESSIONS WHERE THEY COME IN AND IN A DAY OR TWO GET MORE DONE THAN THEY DO IN A MONTH DURING A REGULAR SESSION.


Borg: YOU'VE ALREADY SAID THE WELL HAS BEEN POISONED FOR THE ONE THAT CONVENES REGULARLY IN JANUARY.


Yepsen: YEAH, IT IS GOING TO BE A VERY BAD SESSION IN JANUARY. I MEAN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE REPUBLICANS WHO ARE OUT TO TORPEDO ALMOST ANYTHING THAT TOM VILSACK WANTS TO DO. WHEN HE VETOED THAT STUFF, IT REALLY DID POISON THE WELL, AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY UGLY SESSION, EVEN MORE THAN WE USUALLY SEE IN AN ELECTION YEAR. WE WERE ALL EXPECTING A TOUGH SESSION IN AN ELECTION YEAR ANYWAY, AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE FAR WORSE.

Russell:: THE GOVERNOR SAID THIS WEEK THAT HE WAS LIKELY TO COME TO THE LEGISLATURE NEXT YEAR AND ASK FOR VARIATIONS ON THE THINGS THAT HE VETOED, A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO SIMPLIFYING IOWA'S INCOME TAXES AND, MAYBE ON HIS OWN WITHOUT GOING TO THE LEGISLATURE, DO SOME REGULATORY REFORM. ALL OF THESE THINGS AIMED AT MAKING IOWA'S BUSINESS CLIMATE MORE ATTRACTIVE. BUT THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THE LEGISLATURE WILL LISTEN TO HIM NOW, I MEAN THEY FEEL DOUBLE CROSSED.


Glover: WELL, AND I THINK THEY MATURE BUT I THINK AT THE HEART OF WHAT THEY FEEL AT THE LEGISLATURE IS THAT THIS IS THE SEISE OF THE NEXT GOVERNOR'S ELECTION THAT'S GOING ON. THE CORE OF THE ARGUMENT AGAINST GIVING TOM VILSACK WHAT HE WANTED IN THE IOWA VALUES FUND WAS REPUBLICANS DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR LOOK GOOD. THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR DIDN'T GET HIS TOP PRIORITY SO THEY COULD SET THEMSELVES UP TO RUN FOR GOVERNOR WHEN HIS TERM ENDS WHETHER HE RUNS OR NOT, WHICH IS A SEPARATE QUESTION.

Russell:: AND IT'S NOT -- GIVEN WHAT MIKE SAID, IT'S NOT SURPRISING THAT THE -- THE REAL ROADBLOCK ON THE IOWA VALUES FUND WAS IN THE IOWA SENATE AND NOT THE IOWA HOUSE, WHERE YOU HAVE -- IN THE IOWA SENATE, YOU HAVE THE HEAD OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, CHUCK LARSON, WHOSE JOB IT IS TO BE LOOKING AHEAD TO THE NEXT ELECTION.


Glover: WE THOUGHT IT WAS VERY INTERESTING -- WE HAD THE MAJORITY LEADER OF SENATE IN FOR AN INTERVIEW THE OTHER DAY, AND HE WAS QUITE CANDID. HE SAID HE WASN'T SUGGESTING THAT CHUCK LARSON, WHO IS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE STATE REPUBLICAN PARTY, DO ANYTHING, GET OUT OF THE LEGISLATURE, LEAVE HIS JOB OR ANYTHING. BUT HE'S SAYING IN THE FUTURE I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE A CHAIRMAN OF A STATE POLITICAL PARTY AS A MEMBER OF THE LEGISLATURE BECAUSE THE JOB OF BEING CHAIRMAN OF A STATE POLITICAL PARTY IS TO WEAR THIS PARTISAN HAT AT ALL TIMES AND TO ADVANCE THE INTEREST OF YOUR PARTY. PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE GOAL. PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE JOB. BUT THE ROLE OF THE STATE LEGISLATOR IS TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT, TO BE ABLE AT SOME POINT TO TAKE THAT PARTISAN HAT OFF AND LOOK AT WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE PEOPLE YOU REPRESENT OF BOTH PARTIES.


Yepsen: JOYCE MENTIONS THAT THE GOVERNOR IS GOING TO COME WITH A PLAN TO DEAL WITH REGULATORY REFORM AND TAX REFORM. I CAN ALMOST ASSURE YOU, DEAN, THAT THOSE PLANS WILL PROBABLY BE DEAD ON ARRIVAL. THE GOVERNOR'S IDEA TOWARD REFORMING INCOME TAXES IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO THE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY IN THE LEGISLATURE. I MEAN THAT'S JUST BEEN A NONSTARTER. THEY'VE BEEN AT LOGGERHEADS. IF THERE WAS A WAY AROUND THAT LOGJAM, HE WOULD HAVE FOUND IT BY NOW. THE GOOD NEWS IN ALL OF THIS IS THAT IN THE NEXT SESSION OF THE LEGISLATURE, I DOUBT THERE WILL BE MANY TAX CUTS AND THERE WON'T BE ANY TAX INCREASES. THE REPUBLICANS WILL BE OUT TO TORPEDO ANY OF THE GOVERNOR'S SPENDING THAT THEY CAN, WHICH MEANS MONEY ISN'T GOING TO BE GIVEN AWAY AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SPENT AND WILL HELP THE STATE'S BUDGET DEFICIT.


Borg: THE RHETORICAL QUESTION THERE IS, WELL, WHAT IS IMPORTANT AND WHAT'S GOING TO GET DONE IN THE NEXT SESSION.


Yepsen: VERY LITTLE.


Borg: THAT'S WHY I SAID IT WAS RHETORICAL. MIKE, YOU'VE BEEN NOT ONLY COVERING STATE ISSUES BUT YOU ALSO ARE COVERING THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES WHO TRAVEL INTO OTHER STATES, AS WELL AS COVERING THEM HERE IN IOWA, AS THE OTHER PEOPLE DO HERE AT THE TABLE, BUT YOU FOLLOW THEM AROUND THE NATION. WHAT ARE THE ISSUES THAT ARE -- I'LL USE THAT POPULAR WORD "TRACTION," GETTING SOME TRACTION AMONG THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES?


Glover: IT STRIKES ME THAT AMONG THE -- AMONG DEMOCRATS WHO ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO THE RACE AT THIS POINT -- AND THERE AREN'T MANY; THE RACE IS NOT AN OVERWHELMING SUBJECT OF ATTENTION RIGHT NOW -- THE ONE ISSUE THAT TRUMPS EVERYTHING ELSE IS THE ELECTABILITY ISSUE. THE FIRST THING A DEMOCRATIC ACTIVIST WANTS TO HEAR WHEN THEY SEE A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IS GIVE ME AN ARGUMENT ABOUT HOW YOU, IF YOU ARE A NOMINEE, CAN BEAT GEORGE BUSH. DEMOCRATS FEEL A LITTLE FRUSTRATED RIGHT NOW, AND IT'S NOT HARD TO SEE HOW THEY'RE FRUSTRATED. LOOK WHAT HAPPENED IN 2000. THEY LOST A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION BY A FEW HUNDRED VOTES IN FLORIDA AND A 4-TO-3 VOTE OF THE SUPREME COURT. THEN THEY WERE GOING TO DO WELL IN THE 2002 MIDTERM ELECTIONS. SEPTEMBER 11 CAME LONG AND BUSH HAD A PRETTY GOOD MIDTERM. NOW THEY'VE GOT A LARGE FIELD, AND NONE OF THAT FIELD REALLY SEEMS TO BE CATCHING ON, CATCHING FIRE. SO THERE'S SOME FRUSTRATION AMONG DEMOCRATS. THE ONE THING THEY WANT TO HEAR IS: HOW CAN YOU, MR. CANDIDATE OR MS. CANDIDATE, BEAT GEORGE BUSH IN NOVEMBER; WHAT'S YOUR ARGUMENT FOR OUSTING HIM? THAT'S THE ONE THING THEY WANT TO HEAR. AND THEN ONCE THEY GET PAST THAT, THEY'LL LISTEN TO WHAT YOU'VE GOT TO SAY ABOUT OTHER STUFF. BUT FIRST OF ALL, CAN YOU GET ELECTED.


Borg: CAN YOU GET ELECTED. TODD, WHAT ARE THE DISTINCTIONS THAT YOU HAVE NOTED SO FAR IN IOWA IN THE WAY THAT THE CANDIDATES HERE ARE ORGANIZING IOWA? WHO'S, IN YOUR ESTIMATION AND JUDGMENT, BEST ORGANIZED AND REALLY PUTTING AN EMPHASIS IN IOWA?

Dorman: WELL, I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT HOWARD DEAN HAS A VERY STRONG ORGANIZATION IN IOWA. HE'S ON THE GROUND IN MOST EVERY COUNTY. I THINK -- I THINK MOST OF THE CANDIDATES, GENERALLY THE TOP-TIER CANDIDATES, JOHN KERRY, DICK GEPHARDT, THEY ALL HAVE SOLID ORGANIZATIONS IN THE STATE.


Yepsen: THE BIG STORY RIGHT NOW IN IOWA, DEAN, IS HOWARD DEAN IS DOING VERY WELL. HE HAS MORE THAN DOUBLED HIS SUPPORT. NO OTHER CANDIDATE CAN MAKE THAT STATEMENT. SOME POLLS NOW HAVE HIM IN THIRD PLACE WITH -- ONLY A FEW POINTS BEHIND JOHN KERRY. IOWA FITS IN A GREAT SCHEME OF THINGS IN THE CAUCUS CYCLE. TWO STORIES WILL COME OUT OF HERE. ONE IS DOES DICK GEPHARDT WIN IOWA AS HE DID BEFORE, IS HE EXPECTED TO, DOES HE WIN IT BIG, DOES HE IMPRESS ANYBODY. AND IF HE DOESN'T, THAT COULD BE -- HE COULD BE FINISHED AS A CANDIDATE BECAUSE HE'S REALLY NOT DOING WELL IN LATER STATES. THE OTHER STORY THAT COMES OUT OF HERE IS THE HOWARD DEAN/JOHN KERRY FIGHT. THAT'S A BIG BATTLE IN NEW HAMPSHIRE. THE TWO ARE LOCKED VERY CLOSE THERE. THE WINNER IN IOWA IS GOING TO GO INTO NEW HAMPSHIRE WITH A REAL HEAD OF STEAM. IT'S GOING TO BE WORTH TEN POINTS IN THE POLLS IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, AND SO THE DEAN PEOPLE WOULD LIKE VERY MUCH IN THIS STATE TO CATCH OR BEAT JOHN KERRY TO REALLY THROW HIM -- KERRY FOR A LOOP IN NEW HAMPSHIRE. AND, DEAN, I THINK HOWARD DEAN IS IN A POSITION WHERE HE COULD DO THAT.

Russell:: DR. DEAN, AS HE LIKES TO CALL HIMSELF -- HE'S A PHYSICIAN IN HIS LIFE OUTSIDE OF POLITICS -- SORT OF LUCKED OUT AS FAR AS THE TIMING OF THE ISSUE WITH THE WAR BECAUSE HE WAS OUT THERE VERY STRONG AGAINST THE WAR, AND DEMOCRATS CARED ABOUT THAT AND JUMPED ON BOARD WITH HIM --


Borg: HE TOOK A BIG POLITICAL RISK RIGHT THERE DOING THAT TOO.

Russell:: WELL, AND HE -- THE TIMING WAS SUCH THAT HE REALLY GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE ON BOARD WITH HIM EARLY ON, WHEN OTHERS WERE KIND OF TRYING TO DISTINGUISH THEMSELVES. AND THEN HE'S ALSO DONE BETTER THAN THE OTHERS AT USING THE INTERNET TO -- NOT ONLY TO ORGANIZE PEOPLE BUT THE BIG STORY THIS WEEK WAS HOW MUCH MONEY HE'S RAISED AS, YOU KNOW, WAY ABOVE WHAT EVERYBODY WAS EXPECTING, AND USING THE INTERNET TO DO THAT.


Glover: AND TO ILLUSTRATE JOYCE'S POINT, IN THE LAST -- IN THE SECOND QUARTER, HOWARD DEAN RAISED $7.5 MILLION, MORE THAN ANY OTHER DEMOCRAT. DURING THAT PERIOD, HOWARD DEAN HAD 59,000 INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTIONS; 45,000 OF THEM CAME OVER THE INTERNET. NO CANDIDATE CAN MATCH THAT AND HE'S DOING -- HE'S USING THE INTERNET AS THE NEXT LOGICAL STEP, USING SORT OF HIGH-TECH 21ST-CENTURY KIND OF A THING TO DO WHAT BEFORE USED TO BE KIND OF TRADITIONAL SHOE-LEATHER TYPES OF THINGS. HE LIKES TO CHARACTERIZE IT AS SHOE LEATHER MEETS THE MOUSE PAD, AND USING THE INTERNET TO DO WHAT IN THE PAST HAS BEEN SORT OF A TRADITIONAL SWEAT-AND-BLOOD TYPE OF ORGANIZATIONAL THING.


Borg: TO GO BACK TO YOUR EARLIER POINT ON ELECTABILITY AND TO FOLLOW IN WITH WHAT DAVE SAID ABOUT RICHARD GEPHARDT, IS THAT THE CRUCIAL THING, THAT IF HE DOES NOT WIN IOWA, THAT HE WON'T BE CONSIDERED ELECTABLE, BECAUSE HE HAS AN ADVANTAGE --


Glover: IF RICHARD GEPHARDT DOESN'T WIN IOWA, THE GOOD NEWS IS IT'S NOT VERY FAR TO ST. LOUIS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE HE'S GOING, BACK HOME. [ LAUGHTER ]


Borg: AND THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY "THE ADVANTAGE."


Glover: NO, HE'S BEEN HERE. HE WON THE IOWA PRECINCT CAUCUSES IN 1988, AND HE HAS HAD A TWENTY-YEAR -- MORE THAN TWENTY-YEAR HISTORY IN IOWA. AND HE IS ASSUMED TO BE THE FAVORITE. HE'S ASSUMED TO BE WINNING. IF HE DOESN'T WIN HERE, THEN IT'S ALL OVER FOR HIM.


Yepsen: DEAN, I THINK MIKE MAKES A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE ELECTABILITY ISSUE. YOU HEAR THAT CERTAINLY FROM ACTIVISTS. THE QUESTION THAT THEY'RE STRUGGLING WITH IS HOW BEST TO DO THAT. THE PARTY OUT OF POWER ALWAYS GOES THROUGH KIND OF THIS NAVEL GAZING OF SELF-EXAMINATION. IF YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN AND YOU'RE OUT OF POWER, THEN THERE'S AN ARGUMENT BETWEEN THE CONSERVATIVES AND THE MODERATES OVER WHAT'S THE BEST MESSAGE TO TAKE TO VOTERS. IF YOU'RE A DEMOCRAT, IT'S THE LIBERALS VERSUS THE CENTRISTS, AND THEY'RE NOT HAVING THAT ARGUMENT NOW. AND PART OF DEAN'S STRENGTH IS HE'S GOING AT DEMOCRATS SAYING I WANT -- YOU KNOW, THE DEMOCRATIC WING OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, SORT OR THE OLD PAUL WELLSTONE LINE, AND THAT HAS A LOT OF APPEAL TO ACTIVIST DEMOCRATS. IT NEVER HURTS TO BE THE MOST LIBERAL GUY IN A TWO-WAY DEMOCRATIC -- OR IN ANY DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY FIGHT. THE PROBLEM IS THE TRACK RECORD OF THOSE CANDIDATES BOTH IN THE CAUCUSES AS WELL AS IN THE GENERAL ELECTION ISN'T VERY GOOD. AND A LOT OF DEMOCRATS ARE ALSO SAYING, YEAH, BUT REMEMBER BILL CLINTON, A CENTRIST, TALKED ABOUT PAYING THE BUDGET DEFICIT, HE WAS FOR THE DEATH PENALTY AND STUFF, HE WON THE PRESIDENCY.


Glover: AND THERE ARE A LOT OF -- THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WHO ARE STARTING TO SOUND THE THEME RIGHT NOW THAT NOMINATING -- AND IT SHOWS HOW STRONG DEAN IS RUNNING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE STARTING TO VOICE THESE CONCERNS. THEY'RE SAYING WE COULD BE NOMINATING A GEORGE MCGOVERN. WE COULD BE NOMINATING A LEFT-WING DEMOCRAT RUNNING AGAINST A POPULAR REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT AND SET OURSELVES UP FOR A 50-STATE DISASTER. THAT SHOWS, I THINK, THE CENTER WING OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS VERY WORRIED ABOUT THIS GUY.

Dorman: AND REPUBLICANS SEEM TO BE -- THEY SEEM TO BE LICKING THEIR CHOPS FOR A DEAN NOMINATION. I MEAN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT A 48-, 50-STATE, SOME SORT OF LANDSLIDE VICTORY. THEY'RE LOOKING AT REPORTS THAT WERE OUT THIS WEEK THAT SHOW THAT 10 OF 11 REALLY -- REALLY COMPETITIVE U.S. SENATE SEATS ARE IN STATES THAT BUSH CARRIED LAST TIME, AND THEY SEE -- THEY SEE IF DEAN IS THE NOMINEE AND THEY CAN WIN A LANDSLIDE, HIS COATTAILS EXTEND.


Glover: PART OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING -- AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING -- IS GEORGE BUSH IS TRYING VERY HARD RIGHT NOW TO START THE INEVITABILITY BANDWAGON GOING. GEORGE BUSH IS JUST GOING TO WIN BECAUSE HE'S PRESIDENT AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF, AND IT'S NOT WHETHER GEORGE BUSH IS GOING TO WIN BUT HE'S GOING TO CARRY 48 OR 49 STATES. HE'D LOVE TO HAVE THAT BE THE BUZZ RIGHT NOW.

Dorman: AND HE'S GOING TO CONTROL THE SENATE WITH 60 SEATS.


Glover: YEAH, HE'D LOVE THAT TO BE THE BUZZ RIGHT NOW.

Dorman: AND THEY'RE GOING TO REPLACE ALL THE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES.


Glover: AND THERE WILL BE NINE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES NAMED BY BUSH.


Borg: JOYCE, JOHN KERRY.

Russell:: WELL, JOHN KERRY IS AN ATTRACTIVE CANDIDATE. HE WILL, OF COURSE, BE STRONG IN NEW ENGLAND, WILL PROBABLY DO WELL IN NEW HAMPSHIRE NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS IN IOWA. HE HAS A GOOD ORGANIZATION HERE.


Borg: YOU MEAN HE CAN FINISH ANYWHERE IN IOWA AND STILL DO WELL WHEN HE GETS BACK INTO HIS HOME TERRITORY?

Russell:: WELL, MAYBE NOT AT THE BOTTOM.


Glover: I THINK WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE FORGET IS RIGHT NOW IT'S US LOOKING AT THIS THING, FOLKS AROUND THIS TABLE AND A FEW OTHER FOLKS. COME JANUARY THE DRUMBEAT IS GOING TO START. IN OTHER WORDS, THE MEDIA IS GOING TO START PAYING ATTENTION, HALF THE TV TRUCKS IN AMERICA WILL BE PARKED IN DES MOINES, AND THE DRUMBEAT WILL START TO HAPPEN. IF JOHN KERRY DOES BAD HERE, HE'S GOING TO HAVE A REAL PROBLEM IN NEW HAMPSHIRE.


Yepsen: AND HE MAY. I MEAN I'M STRUCK A LITTLE BIT BY HOW TOP-HEAVY AND BUREAUCRATIC KERRY'S CAMPAIGN IS. IT'S JUST NOT AS NIMBLE AS IT NEEDS TO BE. HOWARD DEAN IS REALLY RUNNING A VERY GOOD ON-THE-GROUND, GUERRILLA-STYLE CAMPAIGN, INSURGENT CAMPAIGN. WE ALL THOUGHT -- A LOT OF US THOUGHT, WELL, HOWARD DEAN WILL PEAK WHEN THE WAR THING EVAPORATES. WELL, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. DEAN IS FOR REAL. HE'S SHOWING SOME REAL TRACTION. THAT'S CAUSING A LOT OF CONCERN IN ALL THE OTHER CAMPS. JOHN EDWARDS, FOR EXAMPLE, EVERYBODY THOUGHT, BOY, HE'S AN ATTRACTIVE, NEW, FRESH SENATOR, FRESH FACE AND ALL THAT. HE SEEMS TO BE GOING NOWHERE IN IOWA AND NOWHERE NATIONALLY. HE'S RAISING DECENT MONEY BUT HE'S JUST NOT CATCHING ALL THE VOTERS. HOWARD DEAN, AGAIN, IS THE ONE THAT'S CAUGHT ON AS THE FRESH FACE.


Borg: DENNIS KUCINICH GOES BACK TO ELECTABILITY; WOULD YOU SAY?


Yepsen: HE SEEMS TO BE --


Glover: THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT DENNIS KUCINICH, INCLUDING WHAT PLANET HE'S FROM.


Borg: HE SEEMS TO REALLY GET CROWDS EXCITED.


Glover: OH, DENNIS KUCINICH IS A GOOD SPEAKER, AND HE CAN -- HE CAN GET A CROWD OF DEMOCRATIC ACTIVISTS FIRED UP. IT REMINDS ME ONCE OF STANDING IN A UAW HALL IN DES MOINES LISTENING TO JESSE JACKSON SPEAK AND STANDING NEXT TO THE LATE FRANK ALEXANDER, WHO WAS THE UAW OFFICIAL. AND JESSE JACKSON GAVE THIS WONDERFUL, FIERY SPEECH, AND FRANK LEANED OVER TO ME AND SAID, "YOU KNOW THE PROBLEM I'VE GOT?" AND I SAID, "WHAT'S THAT, FRANK?" HE SAID, "I'VE GOT TO TELL MY MEMBERS WHY THEY CAN'T VOTE FOR SOMEBODY WHO MAKES THE UAW'S CASE BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE."


Borg: IN THE FINAL MINUTE HERE, WE'VE GOT AL SHARPTON, MOSELEY-BRAUN, GRAHAM, AND JOE LIEBERMAN.


Yepsen: WELL, AL SHARPTON IS A LITTLE BIT LIKE DENNIS KUCINICH. HE SAYS THINGS THAT DEMOCRATIC ACTIVISTS LOVE TO HEAR, BUT THEY ALL KNOW THAT HE'S NOT GOING TO BE THEIR NOMINEE.


Glover: AND CAROL MOSELEY-BRAUN IS NOT GOING TO BE THEIR NOMINEE.


Borg: GRAHAM?


Glover: GRAHAM IS -- HE'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE ON-PAPER GUYS HE LOOKS GOOD. HE'S FROM A BIG STATE, A LONG ELECTORAL RECORD, HASN'T RAISED A LOT OF MONEY, HASN'T CAUGHT ON, DOESN'T SEEM TO BE GOING ANYWHERE. AND LIEBERMAN MAY BE ONE OF THE FIRST MAJOR CANDIDATES THAT HAS TO GET OUT.


Yepsen: HE'S TOO HAWKISH FOR A LOT OF ACTIVIST DEMOCRATS, I THINK. AND HIS BIG STAND -- HE'S GOING TO MAKE HIS STAND AFTER NEW HAMPSHIRE. I'M NOT -- I'M NOT SURE THAT A CANDIDATE WHO DOES POORLY IN IOWA AND NEW HAMPSHIRE IS GOING TO HAVE ANY HOPE AT ALL DOING WELL ANYPLACE ELSE --


Borg: YOU TALK ABOUT --

Russell:: SOME OF THE CANDIDATES THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN VERY MUCH YET, IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE BUSY RAISING MONEY INSTEAD OF GOING TO COUNTY FAIRS.


Borg: WHAT'S THE POSSIBILITY OF GENERAL WESLEY CLARK COMING IN?


Yepsen: TOO LATE, DEAN.


Glover: TOO LATE.


Yepsen: IT'S NOT EVEN CLEAR HE'S A DEMOCRAT. IT'S GETTING TOO LATE FOR WESLEY CLARK TO GET IN. JOE BIDEN, THERE'S EVEN SOME BUZZ ABOUT HIM. I THINK IT'S A NINE-CANDIDATE FIELD, AND THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO --


Borg: AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT, THERE. THANKS FOR YOUR PERSPECTIVE. WE'LL BE FOLLOWING THESE STORIES AND THE OUTCOMES ON "IOWA PRESS" DURING THE WEEKS AHEAD. THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEKEND'S EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS." WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK, SAME TIME: 6:30 FRIDAY, SUNDAY AT NOON. UNTIL THEN, I'M DEAN BORG. THANKS FOR JOINING US TODAY.

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