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Senator John Kerry
(#3049)
July 25, 2003

IOWA PRESS #3049 >>

Borg: DEMOCRATS CONTENDING FOR THEIR PARTY'S PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATION ARE JOCKEYING FOR POSITION, EACH HOPING FOR A BREAKTHROUGH ADVANTAGE. WE'LL QUESTION ONE OF THOSE CANDIDATES, MASSACHUSETTS SENATOR JOHN KERRY, ON THIS EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS."

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ON STATEWIDE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION, THIS IS THE FRIDAY, JULY 25 EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS." HERE IS DEAN BORG.

Borg: IOWA'S FIRST-IN-THE-NATION PRESIDENTIAL PREFERENCE CAUCUS IS JANUARY 19, ABOUT SIX MONTHS AWAY NOW. AND WITH THAT DATE LOOMING, SOME OF THE NINE CANDIDATES SEEKING THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION ARE STAKING OUT POSITIONS WITH MAJOR POLICY ANNOUNCEMENTS. MASSACHUSETTS SENATOR JOHN KERRY IS AMONG THE CANDIDATES GENERALLY REFERRED TO NOW AS IN THE TOP TIER. AMONG HIS CREDENTIALS: SPECIAL RECOGNITION FOR HIS SERVICE DURING THE U.S. INVOLVEMENT IN VIETNAM; HE HAS ALSO SERVED AS LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETTS; AND IS NOW IN HIS FOURTH SIX-YEAR TERM, HIS NINETEENTH YEAR IN THE U.S. SENATE. SENATOR KERRY, WELCOME TO "IOWA PRESS."

Kerry: I'M DELIGHTED TO BE HERE. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

Borg: AND ACROSS THE TABLE, I THINK TWO PEOPLE WHO ARE FOLLOWING YOU ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL AND YOU KNOW WELL: "RADIO IOWA" NEWS DIRECTOR KAY HENDERSON AND "ASSOCIATED PRESS" SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER MIKE GLOVER.

Glover: SENATOR KERRY, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A SOFTBALL TO START THINGS OFF HERE. YOU'VE BEEN TO IOWA LESS THAN SOME OF YOUR RIVALS. YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A STRANGER TO DEMOCRATIC ACTIVISTS IN THIS STATE THAN THE OTHERS. TAKE A COUPLE OF SECONDS AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO DEMOCRATIC ACTIVISTS HERE. WHAT SHOULD THEY LOOK FOR IN JOHN KERRY?

Kerry: LEADERSHIP. I BELIEVE THAT THE COUNTRY DESPERATELY WANTS REAL LEADERSHIP, LEADERSHIP TO MOVE THE COUNTRY IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. AND I THINK THROUGHOUT MY CAREER -- WHEN I SERVED MY COUNTRY IN VIETNAM; WHEN I CAME BACK AND FOUGHT AGAINST THE WAR IN VIETNAM, LED VETERANS TO WASHINGTON TO PROTEST -- THROUGHOUT MY CAREER IN THE SENATE: I LED THE FIGHT TO STOP RONALD REAGAN'S ILLEGAL WAR IN CENTRAL AMERICA; I BLEW THE WHISTLE ON OLIVER NORTH AND HIS PRIVATE AIDE NETWORK; I BLEW THE WHISTLE ON NORIEGA AND ILLEGAL DRUGS IN THE CIA; I LED THE FIGHT TO PUT 100,000 COPS ON THE STREETS OF AMERICA; I'VE LED THE FIGHT FOR SMALL BUSINESSES. THERE ARE MANY THINGS WHERE I BELIEVE I HAVE A RECORD OF LEADERSHIP THAT MEETS THE TEST OF WHAT AMERICANS WANT: TO MOVE OUR COUNTRY TO BE SAFER, STRONGER, AND MORE SECURE. AND I CAN DO THAT.

Henderson: SENATOR, SOME OF YOUR CRITICS HAVE ALLEGED THAT YOU --

Kerry: YOU MEAN I HAVE A CRITIC? I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT. [ LAUGHTER ]

Henderson: -- HAVE ALLEGED THAT YOU'VE FOCUSED MOST IMPORTANTLY ON FOREIGN POLICY DURING YOUR CAREER AND, THEREFORE, YOU'RE WEAK ON DOMESTIC ISSUES. HOW DO YOU ANSWER THAT CHARGE?

Kerry: BY POINTING TO MY RECORD. I HAVE BEEN A LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR. I'VE BEEN A PROSPECTOR. I'VE BEEN A SMALL BUSINESS PERSON. UNLIKE MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES, I'VE ACTUALLY STARTED A SMALL, SMALL BUSINESS, BUT I DID IT. I HAVE A NINETEEN-YEAR RECORD IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE IN PROVIDING LEADERSHIP ON A HOST OF DOMESTIC ISSUES. I PASSED A TAX CUT FOR TARGETED INVESTMENTS IN AMERICA TO HELP SMALL BUSINESSES CREATE JOBS. I LED THE FIGHT, AS I SAID, TO PUT 100,000 POLICE OFFICERS ON THE STREETS OF AMERICA AS PART OF THE EDUCATION REFORM LEADERSHIP IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE, IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE SMALLER CLASS SIZES TO FUND OUR SCHOOL SYSTEMS, WHERE PEOPLE ARE DESPERATE TODAY TO BE ABLE TO RAISE THE LEVEL OF EDUCATION. I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT MY HEALTH CARE PLAN, IT HAS NOW BEEN JUDGED BY MAJOR HEALTH CRITICS NATIONALLY TO BE THE BEST HEALTH CARE PLAN OF ANY OF THE CANDIDATES IN THIS RACE. SO I THINK THAT THE MEASURE OF LEADERSHIP IS BY THE FIGHTS YOU'VE FOUGHT, THE THINGS YOU'VE DONE, WHAT YOU'VE ACCOMPLISHED. AND I'LL PUT MY RECORD AGAINST ANYBODY ELSE'S IN THIS FIELD.

Glover: AND SOME OF YOUR OPPONENTS SUGGEST THAT SHOULD YOU GET THE NOMINATION, IT WOULD BE ANOTHER CASE OF A MASSACHUSETTS LIBERAL RUNNING AGAINST A CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN WITH PREDICTABLE RESULTS. HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT? ARE YOU, SENATOR --

Kerry: WELL, THE SHOE DOESN'T FIT. THE WAY I RESPOND TO THAT IS -- YOU KNOW, WHEN I WENT TO VIETNAM TO FIGHT, NOBODY ASKED ME WHERE I WAS FROM. WHEN I GOT TOGETHER WITH A KID FROM AMES, IOWA, WHO WAS MY GUNNER ON THE BACK OF MY BOAT, GENE THORSON, WE DIDN'T LOOK AT EACH OTHER AND SAY, "GEE, YOU'RE FROM IOWA AND YOU'RE FROM MASSACHUSETTS, CAN YOU FIGHT?" WE JUST FOUGHT. AND WE LOVED EACH OTHER AND WE CAME OUT OF THERE WITH A SENSE OF UNITY, OF ONENESS. YOU KNOW, I THINK DANNY WEBSTER SAID IT BEST IN 1859. HE WENT TO THE FLOOR OF THE SENATE AND SAID, "I COME HERE NOT AS A MASSACHUSETTS MAN BUT AS AN AMERICAN." I'M RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE I KNOW HOW TO PUT PEOPLE BACK TO WORK. I KNOW HOW TO PROVIDE HEALTH CARE FOR EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN. I KNOW HOW TO FIX OUR SCHOOLS AND GUARANTEE THAT WE REALLY DON'T LEAVE CHILDREN BEHIND. I KNOW HOW TO PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT. I LED THE FIGHT TO GUARANTEE THAT WE DON'T DRILL IN THE ARCTIC WILDLIFE REFUGE. I'M GOING TO TALK MAINSTREAM FUNDAMENTAL VALUES OF AMERICA AND COMMON SENSE. AND YOU CAN BE FROM ALABAMA, YOU CAN BE FROM CALIFORNIA, YOU CAN BE FROM IOWA, WHEREVER YOU ARE; MAINSTREAM AMERICANS WANT THIS COUNTRY TO DO BETTER, AND I KNOW HOW TO LEAD US TO DO BETTER.

Henderson: ONE OTHER CRITICISM THROWN AT YOU IS THAT YOU'RE ALOOF WITHOUT A CORE, THAT ON IMPORTANT ISSUES YOU'VE TENDED TO VACILLATE, FOR INSTANCE, IN THE PERSIAN GULF WAR BACK IN 1991. HOW DO YOU ANSWER THE CHARGE THAT YOU VACILLATE ON ISSUES?

Kerry: I COULDN'T BE MORE CLEAR ON THE ISSUE. ASK ME THE ISSUE AND I'LL GIVE YOU A VERY DIRECT ANSWER. I AM UNEQUIVOCALLY PROUD OF THE FACT THAT I VOTED IN 1991 THE WAY I DID BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE NEEDED TO DO DIPLOMACY. WE NEEDED TO GIVE THE DIPLOMACY TIME. LIKEWISE, IN THIS EFFORT, I THINK THE PRESIDENT'S LEAD UP TO THE WAR WAS VERY BADLY DONE. I VOTED APPROPRIATELY AND I'M 100 PERCENT CONVINCED MY VOTE WAS THE RIGHT VOTE TO PROVIDE A PRESIDENT WITH THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A JUDGMENT, BUT THE PRESIDENT DIDN'T USE THAT VERY EFFECTIVELY, DIDN'T BUILD THE KIND OF COALITION WE OUGHT TO. THERE'S NO VACILLATION IN THAT. I KNOW WHAT GOOD DIPLOMACY IS. I KNOW THAT YOU DON'T SEND YOUNG AMERICANS TO WAR UNTIL YOU HAVE EXHAUSTED REMEDIES AND MAKE IT REALLY MEAN LAST RESORT. THAT'S THE LESSON I LEARNED IN VIETNAM, AND THAT IS THE LESSON I WOULD APPLY IF I WERE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THAT IS A CLEAR LESSON, NOT A VACILLATION.

Borg: YOU'VE CALLED FOR AN INVESTIGATION OF OUR LEAD-UP AND REASON FOR INVOLVEMENT IN IRAQ. A FEW MINUTES AGO, YOU SAID, "I BLEW THE WHISTLE ON THIS, I BLEW THE WHISTLE ON THAT." IS THAT WHAT YOU HOPE TO DO, BLOW THE WHISTLE ON INVOLVEMENT IN IRAQ? AND REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME IF AN INVESTIGATION WAS HELD, WHAT WOULD IT ACHIEVE AT THIS POINT?

Kerry: DEAN, OUR NATIONAL SECURITY IS AT STAKE. IF OUR WORD IN THE WORLD IS DOUBTED, IF OUR WORD WITH AMERICANS IS DOUBTED, HOW DOES A PRESIDENT SAY TO AMERICA, "WELL, HERE'S WHAT WE SEE IN SYRIA NOW, HERE'S WHAT WE SEE IN NORTH KOREA, HERE'S WHAT WE SEE IN IRAN." WE NEED TO RESPOND. AMERICANS WILL SAY, "WELL, HEY, NOW, NOT QUITE SO FAST. WHAT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN IRAQ?" I THINK THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS A NATIONAL SECURITY INTEREST IN MAKING CERTAIN THAT WE ALL KNOW PRECISELY WHAT THE DEFICIENCIES OF OUR INTELLIGENCE ARE BECAUSE THAT'S A MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY THAT CONCERNS OUR FUTURE. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS. IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE NATIONAL SECURITY OF OUR COUNTRY.

Borg: YOU SOMEHOW SEE IT AS RESTORING CREDIBILITY FOR AMERICA?

Kerry: ABSOLUTELY.

Glover: WHAT'S YOUR SENSE, SENATOR -- BEFORE THIS WHOLE INVESTIGATION GETS LAUNCHED, WHAT'S YOUR SENSE OF WHAT HAPPENED? DID THE PRESIDENT MISLEAD CONGRESS AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE? WAS THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF MISLED BY THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY?

Kerry: MIKE, I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S WHY WE NEED THE INVESTIGATION. I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED TILL WE HAVE A THOROUGH VETTING OF EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT INTELLIGENCE. I KNOW WHAT I WAS SHOWN. I KNOW THE PHOTOGRAPHS I SAW. I KNOW WE WERE TOLD BY THE PRESIDENT AND OTHERS THAT THEY HAD DEPLOYABLE WEAPONS WITHIN FORTY-FIVE MINUTES. I KNOW THAT WE WERE TOLD THEY HAD UNMANNED VEHICLES THAT COULD HURT OUR TROOPS. I KNOW THAT WE WERE TOLD ABOUT THE NIGER NUCLEAR. WE KNOW WHAT WE WERE TOLD. WE DON'T KNOW YET WHAT THE LEAD-UP TO ALL OF THAT WAS. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS: THE PRESIDENT SAID HE WOULD BUILD A COALITION INTERNATIONALLY. THE PRESIDENT SAID TO AMERICA THAT HE WOULD ONLY GO TO WAR AS A MATTER OF LAST RESORT. THOSE WERE HIS WORDS. THAT WAS HIS AFFIRMATION TO OUR NATION. AND I BELIEVE THAT HE DID NOT DO THE DIPLOMACY NECESSARY TO ALLOW US TO BE IN THE GREATEST POSITION OF STRENGTH TODAY. OUR SOLDIERS ARE BEING LOST EVERY DAY IN IRAQ BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE IN ORDER TO SECURE IT PROPERLY AND GUARANTEE THAT WE INTERNATIONALIZE IT SO THAT WE TAKE THE TARGET OFF OF AMERICAN TROOPS AND MINIMIZE THE SENSE OF AMERICAN OCCUPATION. KNOWING AS WE DID THAT WE WERE GOING TO WIN THE MILITARY PORTION OF THIS, IT IS INEXCUSABLE NOT TO HAVE HAD THE PLAN IN PLACE TO WIN THE PEACE ITSELF MORE EASILY AND EFFECTIVELY. WE CAN WIN IT AND WE WILL ULTIMATELY, I'M CONVINCED. BUT THE QUESTION IS HOW MANY YOUNG AMERICANS HAVE TO DIE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING IT RIGHT. AND I FEEL THAT PARTICULARLY BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THAT WALL IN WASHINGTON, WITH REGARD TO VIETNAM, I SEE A WALL, ALMOST HALF OF WHICH IS FILLED WITH THE NAMES OF PEOPLE WHO REPRESENT A PERIOD OF PRIDE BY THE UNITED STATES LEADERSHIP, WHERE THEY'RE UNWILLING TO DO WHAT WAS, IN MY JUDGMENT, CORRECT.

Henderson: HOW DOES YOUR SERVICE IN VIETNAM COLOR OR PERHAPS INFORM YOUR DECISION-MAKING IN REGARDS TO IRAQ?

Kerry: KAY, MY SERVICE IN VIETNAM COLORS A GREAT DEAL OF WHAT I SEE IN PUBLIC LIFE TODAY. I MEAN WHEN I CAME BACK FROM VIETNAM, SO MANY OF MY FELLOW SOLDIERS, COMBAT VETERANS, WERE NOT MY FRIENDS FROM YALE UNIVERSITY. THEY WERE KIDS FROM THE BARRIOS AND FROM THE INNER CITIES AND KIDS FROM RURAL IOWA AND SOUTH BOSTON AND PLACES, WHO DIDN'T HAVE OPTIONS THAT A LOT OF OTHER KIDS HAD. AND WHEN THEY CAME BACK TO THE COUNTRY, THEY WERE DENIED MANY OF THE BENEFITS THEY'D BEEN PROMISED. THE V.A. DIDN'T DELIVER. THERE WERE ENORMOUS PROBLEMS OF DISCONNECTED VETERANS WANDERING AROUND THE COUNTRY LOST. I'M PROUD THAT ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE DONE IN MY CAREER IS KEEP FAITH WITH THOSE VETERANS. I FOUGHT FOR THE AGENT ORANGE RECOGNITION. I FOUGHT FOR POST-VIETNAM STRESS SYNDROME. I FOUGHT FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE V.A. AND IT IS INEXCUSABLE TODAY THAT WE ARE CREATING A NEW GENERATION OF VETERANS AND, LITERALLY, SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND OF THEM HAVE TO WAIT SIX MONTHS TO SEE A PHYSICIAN FOR THE FIRST TIME TO GET THEIR PRESCRIPTION DRUGS. SO IT COLORS MY VIEW OF GOVERNMENT KEEPING FAITH WITH PEOPLE, AND IT COLORS MY VIEW OF HOW YOU TAKE PEOPLE TO WAR. IT COLORS MY VIEW OF THE OBLIGATION TO TELL THE TRUTH TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS, I THINK, ARE PROFOUND LESSONS WELL LEARNED, AND I'M GLAD I LEARNED THEM.

Glover: WE CAN DEBATE ENDLESSLY WHAT HAPPENED GOING INTO IRAQ. THE FACT IS WE ARE NOW IN IRAQ WITH A LIMITED NUMBER OF ALLIES TRYING TO REBUILD THE COUNTRY. WHAT IS THE EXIT STRATEGY THAT YOU SEE, AND WHAT SHOULD THE EXIT STRATEGY BE?

Kerry: WELL, MIKE, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE LESSONS OF VIETNAM. THE EXIT STRATEGY IS VICTORY. THE EXIT STRATEGY IS GUARANTEEING THAT THE LIVES WE LOST THERE WERE, NONE OF THEM, EVER WASTED. AND THAT MEANS COMPLETING OUR MISSION. AND COMPLETING OUR MISSION IS CRITICAL TO THE LONG-TERM SUCCESS OF WINNING THE WAR ON TERROR. WE NEED TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN IRAQ. SO HOW ARE YOU MOST SUCCESSFUL? I BELIEVE AS I BELIEVED FROM BEFORE THE WAR BEGAN THAT THE WAY YOU ARE MOST SUCCESSFUL IS TO GUARANTEE THAT MANY NATIONS ARE INVESTED IN THIS EFFORT, GUARANTEE THAT YOU INTERNATIONALIZE IT. I BELIEVE THIS ADMINISTRATION IS RESISTING, OUT OF FALSE PRIDE, INVITING THE UNITED NATIONS OPENLY IN ORDER TO BRING OTHER COUNTRIES IN, SHARE THE COST WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, TAKE THE TARGET OFF OF AMERICAN TROOPS, PUT MUSLIM ARAB SPEAKING TROOPS ON THE GROUND, AND GET RID OF THE SENSE OF AMERICAN OCCUPATION. THAT'S THE WAY WE WILL HAVE THE GUARANTEE OF SUCCESS THAT WE WANT. CAN WE WIN OTHERWISE? YES. BUT AT WHAT PRICE? AT WHAT PRICE IN LIVES AND AT WHAT PRICE FINANCIALLY?

Henderson: SHOULD U.S. TROOPS BE SENT TO THE AFRICAN NATION OF LIBERIA, AND IN WHAT CAPACITY SHOULD THEY SERVE THERE?

Kerry: YES, THEY SHOULD BE SENT AND THEY SHOULD BE SENT AS A PEACEKEEPING FORCE, A SMALL NUMBER. I DON'T THINK IT WILL TAKE THAT MANY. I THINK LIBERIA IS NOT SOMALIA. IT IS A VERY DIFFERENT SITUATION. WE HAVE AN ENORMOUS LONG-TERM TIE THERE. IT WAS THE BASE OF SLAVERY FOR THE UNITED STATES. IT WAS FOUNDED BY FREED SLAVES. WE RAN THE VOICE OF AMERICA OUT OF IT. WE RAN THE CIA OUT OF IT. FIRESTONE RUBBER PLANTATION HAS BEEN BASED THERE. WE HAVE ENORMOUS CONNECTIONS THERE. WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION. AND NOW THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS DILLYDALLIED AND, YOU KNOW, JUST SORT OF SPENT TIME CONFOUNDED BY IT ALL. THIS COULD NOT BE MORE CLEAR. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA HAS A RESPONSIBILITY AND AN OBLIGATION. THE BRITISH HAVE STEPPED UP IN THE CONGO, AND THE FRENCH HAVE STEPPED UP. WE NEED TO STEP UP IN LIBERIA.

Borg: I WANT TO OPEN A NEW SUBJECT HERE, AND IT HAS TO DO WITH SOMETHING THAT'S -- PARTICULARLY HERE IN THE MIDWEST AND TO IOWA, BUT HAS NATIONWIDE IMPLICATIONS. YOU'VE SPOKEN OUT AGAINST THE ACQUISITION BY SMITHFIELD FARMS OF FARMLAND INDUSTRIES' PORK PROCESSING PLANTS. NOW, A CONCENTRATION LIKE THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME. WHAT PROMPTS THE TIMING OF THIS IN YOUR OPPOSITION TO THIS PARTICULAR ACQUISITION?

Kerry: WELL, I'VE OPPOSED -- I'VE OPPOSED THE CORPORATIZATION, THE CONGLOMERATIZATION THAT'S TAKING PLACE IN MANY DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES IN AMERICA. AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S HAD A -- HERE IN IOWA, AS I TALK TO FARMERS AND AS I MOVE AROUND THE STATE, I'M DEEPLY IMPRESSED AND MOVED BY THE IMPACT ON PEOPLE'S LIVES OF WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THEIR ABILITY TO KEEP A WAY OF LIFE THAT IS CRITICAL TO WHAT MAKES IOWA SUCH A GREAT STATE. THE LARGE HOG LOT CONFINEMENT SITUATION AND THE MEAT PACKER DOMINATION, I MEAN THESE KINDS OF THINGS GO TO THE CORE OF WHAT KIND OF MARKETPLACE WE WANT IN AMERICA, WHAT KIND OF COMPETITIVE STRUCTURE. I THINK, YOU KNOW, I MET A WOMAN IN MASON CITY A FEW WEEKS AGO WHO -- GLORIA GALL, WHO TOLD ME ABOUT AN EFFORT TO MOVE 4,000 SOW ON PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, JUST NEXT DOOR TO HER, WHICH IS GOING TO COMPLETELY DESTROY HER LIFE EQUITY, HER SAVINGS, HER HOME, GONE IN VALUE BECAUSE OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. WE CAN'T ALLOW THAT KIND OF CORPORATE POWER TO DESTROY THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN OUR COUNTRY. AND IT'S, FRANKLY, A SYMBOL OF WHAT REACHES DOWN INTO LIFE ALL ACROSS AMERICA. PEOPLE ARE WORKING HARDER AND HARDER IN THIS COUNTRY. THEY'RE CLAWING TO GET AHEAD. THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE GETTING AHEAD. BUT THEY SEE CORPORATE EXECUTIVES GO TO BERMUDA WITH MONEY AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR TAX SYSTEM WHILE THEY'RE LEFT HOLDING THE BILL. THEY SEE CEOs OF COMPANIES GIVING THEMSELVES GOLDEN PARACHUTES AND PAY RAISES WHILE THEY'RE SQUEEZING COMPANY WAGES, LOSING MONEY, AND LAYING OFF WORKERS. THAT'S FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG. AND I THINK WE NEED SOMEBODY IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHO'S GOING TO SPEAK TO THE FUNDAMENTAL NOTION OF FAIRNESS IN AMERICA. THAT'S WHY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, AND THAT'S WHY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT OVERALL CAPACITY OF THE SMALL FAMILY FARMER TO SURVIVE AND OF THE LONG-TERM COMPETITIVE PICTURE IN OUR COUNTRY.

Glover: SENATOR, ANOTHER ISSUE THAT'S FAIRLY IMPORTANT IN IOWA AND THROUGHOUT THE MIDWEST IS TRADE, AND YOU HAVE BEEN CRITICIZED BY ONE OF YOUR RIVALS. REPRESENTATIVE GEPHARDT HAS SUGGESTED THAT YOUR SUPPORT FOR FREE TRADE AGREEMENTS HAS LED TO AMERICAN JOBS BEING SHIPPED OVERSEAS AND DOWNWARD PRESSURE ON AMERICAN WAGES. HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT?

Kerry: I RESPOND THAT UNDER BILL CLINTON, WE CREATED 23 MILLION JOBS IN AMERICA. WE -- EVERY SINGLE WAGE LEVEL IN AMERICA GREW IN THEIR INCOME. THAT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT'S HAPPENED SINCE WORLD WAR II. WE HAVE THE LOWEST INFLATION, THE LOWEST UNEMPLOYMENT, AND WE'VE MANAGED TO TRANSITION PEOPLE INTO GOOD, NEW JOBS. NOW, SHOULD WE ACCEPT THE CURRENT SITUATION THAT WE HAVE TODAY UNDER PRESIDENT BUSH? THE ANSWER IS NO, PROFOUNDLY NO. THE TRADE RELATIONSHIP HAS NOW GOTTEN OUT OF BALANCE. PART OF IT IS OUT OF BALANCE BECAUSE THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION IS NOT CREATING JOBS. THEY'RE LOSING JOBS. AND WHEN YOU LOSE THREE MILLION JOBS AS HE HAS LOST -- I MEAN WE'VE LOST 1,500 JOBS -- JUST ABOUT 1,500 JOBS IN DES MOINES COUNTY. WE LOST 22,000 JOBS IN IOWA SINCE THIS MAN BECAME PRESIDENT. WE'VE LOST ABOUT 3,000 JOBS IN THREE COUNTIES SURROUNDING DES MOINES COUNTY. SO I MEAN YOU LOOK AT THE IMPACT ON PEOPLE HERE; WE'RE NOT CREATING JOBS. SO WHEN MAYTAG GETS HURT OR WHEN THE BURLINGTON SANTA FE LAYS OFF A BUNCH OF WORKERS AS THEY DID RECENTLY, PEOPLE REALLY FEEL IT AND THEY'RE NOT COMING BACK BECAUSE THEY GO ELSEWHERE. HERE'S WHAT I WANT: I WANT A NEW TRADE RELATIONSHIP. I WILL NEVER NEGOTIATE A TRADE AGREEMENT THAT DOES NOT HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS AND LABOR STANDARDS THAT RISE TO THE AMERICAN STANDARD. AND WE HAVE TO HAVE SMART TRADE, FAIR TRADE, NOT JUST AN OPEN-ENDED LOSS OF JOBS.

Glover: I MENTIONED A CRITICISM THAT REPRESENTATIVE GEPHARDT HAD OF YOUR CAMPAIGN. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO GO THE OTHER WAY. JUST THIS WEEK THE HOUSE PASSED A HEAD START BILL THAT BEGINS TO TURN THOSE PROGRAMS BACK TO THE STATES. THAT BILL PASSED BY A SINGLE VOTE. REPRESENTATIVE GEPHARDT WASN'T THERE. IS IT TIME FOR HIM TO STEP DOWN FROM THE HOUSE IF HE WANTS TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT FULL TIME?

Kerry: THAT'S NOT A JUDGMENT FOR ME TO MAKE AT ALL, MIKE. YOU KNOW, LOOK, I'M GOING TO BE VERY SYMPATHETIC. WE'RE ALL MISSING SOME VOTES BECAUSE WE'RE OUT HERE TRYING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. HE HAS TO MAKE THAT JUDGMENT ABOUT IT. BUT LET ME SAY THIS ABOUT PRESIDENT BUSH AND HEAD START AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING. WE HAVE BECOME A COUNTRY THAT HAS BECOME SATISFIED TO HAVE UNEQUAL, SEPARATE SCHOOL SYSTEMS. WE DO NOT FUND COMMUNITIES THAT DESPERATELY NEED HELP TO HAVE ADEQUATE -- MY SISTER IS A TEACHER AND MY SISTER JUST GOT LAID OFF AMONG THOSE TEACHERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, MIDDLE SCHOOL, WHO ARE SUFFERING BECAUSE THIS ADMINISTRATION THINKS IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO GIVE A GREAT BIG, FAT TAX CUT TO THE WEALTHIEST PEOPLE IN AMERICA AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR SCHOOLS, AT THE EXPENSE OF THE ENVIRONMENT, AT THE EXPENSE OF HEALTH CARE AND JOBS. THESE ARE THE WRONG PRIORITIES FOR OUR NATION, AND I BELIEVE THE HEAD START PLAN OF THE PRESIDENT IS ANOTHER SQUEEZE. IT'S A WAY OF GIVING MORE RESPONSIBILITY TO THE STATES WITH LESS MONEY AND LESS ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO MEET THAT RESPONSIBILITY. AND I'LL TELL YOU, I AM RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE I AM CONVINCED IT IS TIME TO SAY WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE SATISFIED TO SPEND $50,000 A YEAR ON A KID'S JAIL CELL FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE RATHER THAN SPEND $10,000 A YEAR ON HEAD START, SMART START, EARLY START, HEALTHY START, EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION. AND THAT'S WHAT WE OUGHT TO BE DOING. AND WHAT WE NEED IS NOT JUST THE ONE-VOTE MARGIN IN THE HOUSE. WE NEED A PRESIDENT WHO UNDERSTANDS THOSE PRIORITIES WHO VETO ANY BILL THAT DESTROYS THOSE PRIORITIES, AND I WILL DO THAT.

Henderson: WHEN IOWANS GO TO THE CAUCUSES IN JANUARY OF NEXT YEAR, IT'S GOING TO BE COLD AND THEIR HEAT AND ELECTRIC BILLS ARE GOING TO BE THROUGH THE ROOF, IF YOU WILL. HOW WOULD YOU, AS PRESIDENT, ADDRESS THE ENERGY CRISIS THAT AMERICA FACES?

Kerry: I HAVE PUT OUT, I THINK, THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, KAY, OF ANY CANDIDATE, AND HERE'S EXACTLY WHAT I WILL DO. I AM GOING TO SET THIS NATION OF OURS ON A GREAT JOURNEY LIKE PRESIDENT KENNEDY DID, WHERE HE SOUGHT TO GO TO THE MOON IN TEN YEARS; I WANT TO GO TO THE MOON RIGHT HERE ON EARTH BY LEAVING OUR CHILDREN A NATION THAT HAS MOVED TO ENERGY INDEPENDENCE. WE WILL BEQUEATH THAT TO THEM AS OUR GENERATION'S GIFT TO THE FUTURE, IF YOU WILL. I'M GOING TO EXCITE EXPLORATION BY CREATING AN ENERGY CONSERVATION TRUST FUND, A HYDROGEN INSTITUTE. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE $20 BILLION THAT IS CURRENTLY PAID FROM OIL AND GAS FROM THE ROYALTIES OFF OF THE LAND WE PUBLIC ALLOW THEM TO DRILL ON AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT TO THIS GREAT GOAL OF HARNESSING THE CREATIVE CAPACITY OF OUR COLLEGES, OUR UNIVERSITIES, OF OUR LABORATORIES, AND WE ARE GOING TO PUSH THE CURVE OF SCIENCE TO FIND THE NEXT GENERATION OF ENERGY. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO EXCITE IOWA'S ABILITY TO PUT ITS ETHANOL TO USE. WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO -- I'M GOING TO SET A GOAL OF 20 PERCENT OF AMERICA'S ELECTRICITY WILL BE PRODUCED FROM ALTERNATIVES AND RENEWABLES BY THE YEAR 2020, AND THERE'S AN ENORMOUS ABILITY FOR ETHANOL TO BE PART OF THAT MIX. WIND FARMS, OTHER CO-GENERATION, THERE ARE MANY THINGS WE CAN DO. BUT WE NEED A PRESIDENT WHO IS ABSOLUTELY COMMITTED TO THE NOTION THAT IT'S NOT A CHOICE OF EITHER THE ENVIRONMENT OR JOBS; PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT IS JOBS, AND HAVING AN ENERGY POLICY THAT IS SMART IS JOBS. AND THAT'S HOW WE PUT IOWA BACK TO WORK, AMERICA BACK TO WORK, AND MAKE OUR COUNTRY SAFER IN THE PROCESS.

Glover: WE'VE ONLY GOT A FEW MINUTES LEFT, AND IT WOULDN'T BE AN OFFICIAL "IOWA PRESS" SHOW IF WE DIDN'T DO JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT JUST PURE POLITICS. A LOT OF PEOPLE IN YOUR CAMPAIGN ARE TRYING TO PROJECT AN IMAGE THAT YOU'RE THE FRONT-RUNNER IN THE DEMOCRATIC RACE, YOU ARE THE INEVITABLE NOMINEE. WHY ARE YOU THE FRONT-RUNNER?

Kerry: I'M NOT CLAIMING ANY SUCH TITLE. I DON'T PARTICULAR WANT ANY SUCH TITLE. I'M COMPETING LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. I'M ASKING FOR EVERY VOTE. I COULDN'T BE IN IOWA AS MUCH AS SOME OF MY OPPONENTS LAST YEAR BECAUSE I WAS RUNNING FOR REELECTION IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE. I AM HERE NOW. I'M ON THE GROUND. I HAVE A WONDERFUL CAMPAIGN MANAGER IN JOHN NORRIS, WHO'S WELL KNOWN TO MANY OF THE PEOPLE OF IOWA. I HAVE A GREAT TEAM OF PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING TOGETHER. I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT BUT I LOVE THE POLITICS OUT HERE FROM ONE RIVER TO THE OTHER. THIS IS A GREAT -- A GREAT -- I MEAN THERE'S A GREAT POWER TO THE LAND THAT I'VE COME TO APPRECIATE. AND I LOVE GOING AROUND MEETING PEOPLE, AND I'M GOING TO CONTINUE DOING THAT. AND RIGHT UP UNTIL THE LAST CAUCUS VOTE IS COUNTED, I'M GOING TO BE FIGHTING.

Glover: YOU WERE TIED DOWN BY AN ELECTION LAST YEAR IN MASSACHUSETTS? WEREN'T YOU UNOPPOSED?

Kerry: BUT YOU -- YOU DON'T GET TO BE UNOPPOSED BY NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT YOU'RE DOING, AND I PAID ATTENTION TO WHAT I WAS DOING. AND THEN EVEN AFTERWARDS, I THOUGHT IT WAS NOT THE RIGHT THING TO DO TO BE RUNNING FOR TWO OFFICES AT THE SAME TIME. I CAME OUT -- I NEVER WENT OUT ANYWHERE ON MY OWN BEHALF. I WENT PLACES TO HELP OTHER CANDIDATES, TO HELP CANDIDATES HERE IN IOWA. I CAME FOR TOM VILSACK IN MT. PLEASANT. I DID THOSE THINGS. BUT THERE'S A REAL DIFFERENCE AND THAT DIFFERENCE WAS NOT CHANGED UNTIL I ANNOUNCED ON TIM RUSSERT'S SHOW IN NOVEMBER THAT I WOULD OPEN AN EXPLORATORY COMMITTEE.

Henderson: YOU ARE HERE THIS WEEKEND TO MEET WITH AFSCME, THE UNION FOR GOVERNMENT WORKERS. HOW ARE YOU COURTING UNIONS, AND ARE THEY AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF ANY COALITION THAT YOU MIGHT BUILD?

Kerry: THEY ARE A VERY IMPORTANT COMPONENT, NOT JUST OF THE COALITION; THEY'RE AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT PART OF OUR COUNTRY. MILLIONS OF WORKERS GET UP EVERY DAY AND GO TO WORK IN AMERICA, AND THEY HAVE A WAGE, THEY HAVE A PENSION, THEY HAVE HEALTH CARE, THEY HAVE A SAFE WORKPLACE, BUT THEY'RE NOT MEMBERS OF UNIONS. AND THE ONLY REASON THEY HAVE THOSE THINGS IS BECAUSE A LOT OF FOLKS THROUGH A LOT OF YEARS WERE WILLING TO GO OUT AND STAND ON A PICKET LINE AND FIGHT FOR THOSE RIGHTS. I THINK INCREASINGLY THE UNFAIRNESS IN THE WORKPLACE IS GOING TO RAISE THE IMPORTANCE OF PEOPLE COLLECTIVELY BARGAINING AND BEGINNING TO HAVE A BETTER RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CORPORATE BOARDROOM IN THIS COUNTRY. AND SO I'M GOING TO COURT THEM BY POINTING OUT MY LONG SUPPORT AND MY STRONG RECORD. I HAVE A STRONGER RECORD THAN ANY OTHER SENATOR RUNNING FOR THIS OR ANY CONGRESSMAN RUNNING FOR THIS, WITH ONE EXCEPTION, I GUESS: THE HIGHER TIER, AS YOU CALL THEM. I HAVE FOUGHT FOR THE RIGHTS OF PEOPLE TO ORGANIZE. I'VE FOUGHT FOR THE RIGHTS OF PEOPLE TO HAVE A MINIMUM WAGE THAT ACTUALLY COULD BE A LIVING WAGE, AND I FIGHT FOR THE RIGHTS OF PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO COME TOGETHER COLLECTIVELY AND HAVE A SAFE WORKPLACE. AND I THINK THOSE ARE VITAL THINGS, AND I'M PROUD OF THEM.

Glover: DO YOU THINK ORGANIZED LABOR IN THE PRIMARY SEASON WILL COALESCE BEHIND ONE CANDIDATE, OR DO YOU THINK IT WILL FRACTURE AND GO IN EVERY --

Kerry: MIKE, HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S THE KIND OF POLITICAL THING THAT I'VE GIVEN UP THINKING ABOUT. ALL I KNOW IS I'M GOING TO TALK TO EVERY MEMBER OF LABOR ABOUT HOW I'M GOING TO FIGHT FOR THE RIGHT OF PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A FAIR WORKPLACE AND HOW I THINK PEOPLE TODAY ARE GETTING HURT BY A TAX SYSTEM THAT IS UNFAIR, WHERE CORPORATE EXECUTIVES WALK OFFSHORE WITH BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WHILE THE AVERAGE MEMBER OF THE LABOR UNION IS LEFT HOLDING THE BILL. AND IT IS LONG SINCE TIME THAT WE DESERVE TO HAVE A LABOR SECRETARY IN THE UNITED STATES WHO COMES FROM LABOR, AND WE DESERVE TO HAVE A NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD THAT WILL ENFORCE REAL LABOR RIGHTS TO ORGANIZE.

Borg: WHO IS THAT SECRETARY OF LABOR YOU'D LIKE TO APPOINT?

Kerry: WELL, I'VE GOT TO WAIT ON THAT ONE. [ LAUGHTER ]

Borg: ALL RIGHT. AND WE'RE OUT OF --

Kerry: LET ME SEE. HOW MANY -- I'VE GOT ABOUT 20 POSSIBILITIES.

Borg: WE'RE OUT OF TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SPENDING TIME WITH US TODAY.

Kerry: IT'S TERRIFIC TO BE WITH YOU. THANK YOU.

Borg: WE CLOSE WITH A PROGRAM REMINDER. THIS COMING WEEK ON WEDNESDAY, JULY 30, AND ON SUNDAY, AUGUST 3, WE'LL BE PRESENTING AN "IOWA PRESS" SPECIAL EDITION TITLED "WATERGATE IN RETROSPECTIVE." THAT 30-MINUTE ROUNDTABLE LEADS INTO A TWO-HOUR PBS SPECIAL, AND THAT'S TITLED: "WATERGATE PLUS 30: THE SHADOW OF HISTORY." AND THAT REVIEWS THE POLITICAL SCANDAL THAT SHOOK AMERICA. "DES MOINES REGISTER" POLITICAL COLUMNIST DAVID YEPSEN WILL HOST THAT "IOWA PRESS" SPECIAL, WITH WATERGATE INSIGHTS FROM FORMER IOWA CONGRESSMAN WILEY MAYNE, IOWA STATE UNIVERSITY HISTORY PROFESSOR RICHARD KOTTMAN, AND DRAKE UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR OF JOURNALISM AND MASS COMMUNICATION HERB STRENTZ. THAT PROGRAM AGAIN: 6:30 WEDNESDAY, JULY 30, AND THEN AGAIN SUNDAY, AUGUST 3. TWO AND A HALF HOURS OF WATERGATE PERSPECTIVE BEGINNING WITH THAT "IOWA PRESS" SPECIAL EDITION. WELL, THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEKEND'S EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS" AND FOR THE SEASON. "IOWA PRESS" IS GOING TO BE TAKING A BREAK DURING AUGUST. WE'LL START OUR NEW SEASON IN SEPTEMBER. I'M DEAN BORG. THANKS FOR JOINING US TODAY.

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