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Republican Steve Roberts and Democrat Rob Tully

(#3118)
January 2, 2004

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Borg: IOWA'S PRESIDENTIAL PREFERENCE CAUCUSES LAUNCH THE 2004 ELECTION YEAR. WE'LL DISCUSS THE PROCESS WITH TWO POLITICAL INSIDERS, REPUBLICAN STEVE ROBERTS AND DEMOCRAT ROB TULLY, ON THIS EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS."

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ON STATEWIDE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION, THIS IS THE FRIDAY, JANUARY 2 EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS." HERE IS DEAN BORG.

Borg: IT'S BEEN A LONG RUN BUT NOW ONLY SIXTEEN DAYS REMAIN UNTIL IOWA'S CAUCUSES BEGIN FOCUSSING THE SPOTLIGHT ON THE DEMOCRATS' EVENTUAL NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT. NATIONALLY AND INTERNATIONALLY, ALL EYES ARE ON IOWA'S UNIQUE PROCESS. AS WE KNOW FROM THE PAST, THAT PROCESS NOT ONLY IDENTIFIES CANDIDATES' STRENGTH BUT THOSE FALLING SHORT OF EXPECTATIONS. FOR ADDITIONAL INSIGHT, WE INVITED TWO EXPERIENCED POLITICAL LEADERS TO THE "IOWA PRESS" TABLE TODAY. BOTH MEN HAVE SERVED AS STATE CHAIRS FOR THEIR RESPECTIVE POLITICAL PARTIES, AND THEY KNOW THE PROCESS FROM THE INSIDE. STEVE ROBERTS CHAIRED IOWA'S REPUBLICAN PARTY, AND ROB TULLY HAD THE SAME ROLE FOR IOWA'S DEMOCRATIC PARTY. GENTLEMEN, WELCOME BACK TO "IOWA PRESS."

Roberts: THANK YOU.

Tully: GLAD TO BE HERE.

Borg: AND ALSO WITH US HERE AT THE "IOWA PRESS" TABLE: "DES MOINES REGISTER" POLITICAL COLUMNIST DAVID YEPSEN AND "ASSOCIATED PRESS" SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER MIKE GLOVER. I MIGHT ALSO NOTE JUST AS BEGINNING HERE THAT WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE FORMAT JUST A BIT ON "IOWA PRESS" TODAY. WE'RE GOING TO INVOLVE MIKE AND DAVE IN THE DISCUSSION AND NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION AND ANSWER, BUT WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE A KITCHEN-TABLE DISCUSSION HERE TODAY. AND I ALSO SHOULD NOTE THAT YOU, ROB TULLY, ARE AN ADVISOR, MAYBE A KEY ADVISOR TO ONE OF THE CANDIDATES.

Tully: FOR JOHN EDWARDS. I'M COCHAIR, ALONG WITH ROXANNE CONLIN, OF MR. EDWARDS'S CAMPAIGN.

Borg: SO WE NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION IN THE COMMENTS THAT YOU MAKE.

Tully: ABSOLUTELY.

Borg: MIKE, LET'S GO DOWN AND HANDICAP, IF YOU WILL, AS WE WOULD RACE HORSES, BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY A HORSE RACE. BUT START OFF WITH THE CANDIDATES. AND I MIGHT ASK YOU TO DO THAT WITH HOWARD DEAN IN ASKING CAN HE SUSTAIN THE MOMENTUM.

Glover: THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ELECTIONS, DEAN. AND IT'S OKAY TO HANDICAP. A GREAT MENTOR OF MINE ONCE SAID WHO'S GOING TO WIN REALLY IS PART OF THE STORY. BUT THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM IS THAT HOWARD DEAN AND DICK GEPHARDT ARE BUNCHED TOGETHER ATOP THE DEMOCRATIC FIELD, RUNNING A PRETTY TIGHT RACE. THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM HAS JOHN KERRY, THE SENATOR FROM MASSACHUSETTS, HAVING A GOOD MONTH IN THE LAST MONTH OR SO, MAYBE COMING ON A LITTLE BIT. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE SHOULD CAUTION OURSELVES AND THINK ABOUT IS THERE IS A GREAT CAPACITY FOR MOVEMENT IN THIS PAST FEW WEEKS. I REMEMBER IN 1987 THERE WAS A POLL IN DECEMBER, THAT YOUR NEWSPAPER PUBLISHED, DAVE, HAD DICK GEPHARDT AT 6 PERCENT AND DEAD LAST, AND HE WON THE ELECTION. WE WERE TALKING TO SOME PEOPLE EARLIER. THERE'S A HUGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO GO TO A CAUCUS, DEMOCRATS, GOING TO GO TO A CAUCUS, LISTEN TO PEOPLE, AND MAKE UP THEIR MINDS. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVEN'T DECIDED YET.

Tully: I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT. GOING BACK TO '88, I LITERALLY DID NOT, AND PROBABLY THE LONGEST PROCESS, BUT I DIDN'T GO TO PAUL SIMON UNTIL LITERALLY TWO WEEKS OUT. AND THAT WAS AFTER GOING TO SEE HIM FIVE DIFFERENT TIMES. AND ON THE LAST TIME I FINALLY SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS THE CANDIDATE FOR ME. SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THAT GOING ON. AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE POLLS THAT'S BEEN GOING ON -- AND STEVE PROBABLY HAD THIS FOUR YEARS AGO WITH THE REPUBLICANS -- THERE IS A LOT OF MOVEMENT AMONG THE CANDIDATES ALL THE WAY UP TILL THE END.

Roberts: WHAT'S THE UNDECIDED RIGHT NOW?

Yepsen: TWENTY PERCENT.

Roberts: TWENTY PERCENT?

Yepsen: THAT'S IN THE POLL.

Glover: TWENTY PERCENT SAY THEY'RE UNDECIDED BUT THEIR SUSPICION IS THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO MOVE, WILLING TO MOVE AT THE LAST MINUTE.

Yepsen: IF YOU ASK, IT'S ABOUT 20 PERCENT, STEVE, IF YOU DO JUST A STRAIGHT POLL OF CAUCUS GOERS. BUT IF YOU ASK THOSE WHO HAVE A PREFERENCE COULD YOU PERSUADED TO CHANGE YOUR MIND, THEY'LL RUN AT AROUND 70 PERCENT.

Tully: THAT'S CORRECT.

Yepsen: THESE ACTIVISTS IN BOTH PARTIES, DEAN, ARE VERY SOPHISTICATED PEOPLE POLITICALLY. AND USUALLY IN A NORMAL ELECTION, UNDECIDED VOTERS WE TREAT ONE WAY. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T PAY ATTENTION, THEY DON'T ENGAGE UNTIL THE VERY END; WHEREAS, WITH CAUCUS ACTIVISTS, THESE PEOPLE ARE SO ENGAGED, THEY'RE WAITING UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE. WE'VE GOT THREE DEBATES TO GO THROUGH YET IN THE CAMPAIGN. YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS -- UNFORESEEN EVENTS: SOME CANDIDATE GOES DOWN TO MIAMI WITH HIS GIRLFRIEND; SADDAM HUSSEIN GETS CAPTURED. EVENTS CHANGE WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO DO IN CAUCUSES. THESE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT CAN HAPPEN, AND THEY WAIT TO SEE WHO'S THE BEST PICK I CAN MAKE AT THAT HOUR.

Borg: ROB, DAVE SAYS THEY'RE SO COMMITTED, THEY'RE SO INVOLVED, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME BY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE IS THAT SOME OF THAT MAY BE SOFT SUPPORT THAT WE'RE GETTING IN THE POLLS.

Tully: WELL, THERE'S NO DOUBT OF THAT. I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, AS WE TALKED EARLIER, YOU KNOW. WE HAVE IDENTIFIED, IN THE EDWARDS CAMPAIGN, HARD SUPPORT. AND BY THE WAY, YOU KNOW -- AND THEN THERE'S A SERIES OF PEOPLE THAT ARE LEANING TOWARD OR, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN JOHN EDWARDS AND, SAY, YOU KNOW, HOWARD DEAN OR DICK GEPHARDT OR WHATEVER. BUT THEY ACTUALLY TELL US THAT. YOU KNOW, AS YOU GET DOWN CLOSER AND CLOSER, CAUCUS GOERS ARE VERY OPEN ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO GENERALLY AS YOU GET CLOSER TO IT.

Yepsen: I'M CURIOUS, STEVE, FROM A REPUBLICAN PERSPECTIVE, HOW DO YOU SEE THIS RACE? BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, ARE THERE ONE OF THESE DEMOCRATS YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO RUN AGAINST? IS THERE ONE YOU FEAR MOST? WE HEAR THIS TALK OF REPUBLICANS ARE MOST WORRIED ABOUT DICK GEPHARDT BECAUSE HE WOULD RUN STRONGEST AGAINST BUSH IN OHIO AND THE INDUSTRIAL STATES. WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THAT QUESTION?

Roberts: I THINK WE BELIEVE THAT WHOEVER IS THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE IS GOING TO RUN STRONG. WE -- THE BUSH CAMPAIGN AND THE WHITE HOUSE HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR LONG BEFORE THE PROCESS REALLY GOT GOING IN IOWA THAT 2004 WAS GOING TO BE A VERY CLOSE ELECTION. AND SO WHOEVER THE DEMOCRATS NOMINATE, THEY'LL COME OUT WITH MOMENTUM. THEY'RE GOING TO COME OUT -- I DON'T KNOW THAT THE UNITY FACTOR MAY BE AN ISSUE. IT SEEMS TO BE DEVELOPING.

Yepsen: BUT IS THERE ANY ONE DEMOCRAT THAT REPUBLICANS UNDERSTAND WOULD BE TOUGHER THAN THE OTHERS?

Roberts: I DON'T THINK WE'VE COME DOWN TO THAT. I THINK WE'RE LETTING THE DEMOCRATS HAVE THEIR PROCESS.

Yepsen: WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT'S THE OFFICIAL LINE. WHAT DO YOU THINK IN YOUR GUT ABOUT WHO WOULD BE TOUGH?

Tully: WELL, I THINK EACH -- A NUMBER OF THE FRONT-RUNNERS HAVE POTENTIAL, I MEAN HAVE APPEAL, I THINK, TO GET TO THE MIDDLE. THE THREE THAT I WOULD PICK, IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER: I THINK DEAN, IN SPITE OF HIS VIEW OF BEING VERY FAR TO THE LEFT, HAS SOME QUALITIES THAT COULD HELP GIVE HIM MOMENTUM IF HE'S THE NOMINEE; I THINK KERRY IS ATTRACTIVE; AND I THINK GEPHARDT. NOW, JOHN EDWARDS, I THINK IS ATTRACTIVE. I THINK HE MAY BE A LITTLE YOUNG AT THIS POINT.

Borg: MIKE, WHAT'S WORKING FOR HOWARD DEAN AND WHAT'S NOT WORKING? WHERE IS HE VULNERABLE IN THESE FINAL DAYS BEFORE THE IOWA CAUCUS?

Glover: WHAT'S WORKING FOR HOWARD DEAN IS THE SAME THING THAT'S NOT WORKING FOR HIM, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE AT ALL. WHAT'S WORKING FOR HOWARD DEAN WAS A YEAR AGO HE WAS A LITTLE-KNOWN FORMER GOVERNOR OF VERMONT, NOT GOING ANYWHERE. SUDDENLY HE CAUGHT ON FUND-RAISING WITH THE INTERNET. SUDDENLY HE CAUGHT ON WITH PARTY LIBERALS WITH THE WAR. HE GOT HOT AND HE STARTED TO EXCEED EXPECTATIONS EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR HIM I THINK AT THIS POINT BECAUSE HE'S LET HIS EXPECTATIONS GET OUT OF HAND. NOW A YEAR AGO IF HOWARD DEAN -- TO STEAL A LINE FROM DAVE, A YEAR AGO IF HOWARD DEAN FINISHED SECOND IN IOWA, WE'D ALL WRITE HUGE HEADLINES ABOUT DEAN SURGING, DEAN SURGING. NOW IF HE DOESN'T WIN THE IOWA CAUCUSES: A SETBACK FOR DEAN.

Tully: I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENED IS THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY ALREADY RUNNING AS IF THE NOMINATION IS THEIRS INEVITABLY. AND LITTLE THINGS -- YOU SEE THE "TELEGRAPH HERALD" PIECE BY MARY RAE BRAGG WHO WAS ANGRY ABOUT THEY WOULDN'T ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS TO THE LOCAL PRESS. "NO, WE DON'T DO THAT. YOU'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH OUR NATIONAL OFFICE." I MEAN THAT'S UNHEARD OF AND UNPRECEDENTED.

Borg: WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT?

Tully: WELL, I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU, YOU'RE IN IOWA AND YOU'RE DEALING WITH TRYING TO GET INFORMATION AND PEOPLE TO BE ATTRACTED TO YOU --

Glover: IF I'M RUNNING IN IOWA, I REALLY CARE ABOUT WHAT MARY RAE BRAGG IS GOING TO WRITE IN THE "TELEGRAPH HERALD."

Roberts: I'D LIKE TO GO BACK AND ASK MIKE GLOVER A QUESTION. HOW DID DEAN -- HOW DOES DEAN AVOID OR HOW COULD HE HAVE AVOIDED LETTING THE EXPECTATIONS GET OUT OF HAND? I MEAN THE THING JUST TOOK OFF.

Glover: THE THING JUST TOOK OFF AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS MUCH THAT HE COULD HAVE DONE. HE COULD HAVE STARTED A FEW MONTHS AGO AND STARTED TO TRY TO RATCHET BACK THE EXPECTATIONS, TRY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, LOOK, GEORGE BUSH IS A FRONT-RUNNER, THERE ARE NO FRONT-RUNNERS, MAKE THAT POINT A LITTLE HARDER. BUT ONCE HE GOT -- KIND OF BECAME THE MEDIA DARLING FOR A WHILE, IT'S VERY HARD TO STOP.

Yepsen: ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DEAN -- THAT'S HAPPENED TO DEAN SINCE SADDAM'S CAPTURE IS I THINK HIS CAMPAIGN HAS FLATTENED OUT SOME. THIS IS, TO ME, AN EXAMPLE OF HOW EVENTS CHANGE. AL GORE ENDORSED HOWARD DEAN. HE PUT THE FLAPS DOWN, THE JETS WERE LIT, AND DEAN WAS REALLY MOVING. THEN SADDAM GETS CAPTURED. AND EVERY POLL, DEAN DIDN'T LOSE MUCH, HE JUST FLATTENED OUT. NOW, EVEN IN NEW HAMPSHIRE RIGHT NOW, THE LATEST POLL SHOWS DEAN HAS DROPPED FROM ABOUT 45 PERCENT TO 37 PERCENT. KERRY HAS PICKED UP. THAT'S NO PREDICTION, DEAN. IT IS SIMPLY AN EXAMPLE OF HOW EVENTS AFFECT WHAT THIS CAMPAIGN IS ALL ABOUT.

Borg: I'M GOING TO GET TO SOME OF THOSE EVENTS THAT MAY AFFECT LATER ON. THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP. ROB, MIKE HAS SAID SO MANY TIMES IN OUR DISCUSSIONS HERE THAT IT'S LUCKY FOR DICK GEPHARDT THAT MISSOURI IS JUST DOWN THE ROAD, BECAUSE IF HE LOSES IN IOWA, IT'S NOT A LONG DRIVE BACK. [ LAUGHTER ] IS THAT THE WAY YOU SEE IT, THIS IS DO OR DIE?

Tully: I THINK IT'S DO OR DIE FOR A LOT OF CAMPAIGNS. YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT... EXPECTATIONS. AND, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW A LOT OF THE CAMPAIGNS ARE DOING MAJOR SPIN MOVES IN TRYING TO EITHER LOWER EXPECTATIONS OR MAKE EXPECTATIONS A CERTAIN WAY SO THAT WHATEVER HAPPENS ON JANUARY 19 THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A GOOD SPIN ON THAT AS A RESULT. BUT I THINK IT'S TRUE, DICK GEPHARDT I THINK HAS TO WIN IOWA. THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT.

Yepsen: BUT HE HAS SAID THAT. I MEAN HE HAS SAID -- HE'S NOT SPINNING THAT.

Tully: ABSOLUTELY. BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE HAD A SCENARIO THAT HE COMES IN SECOND TO HOWARD DEAN, BECAUSE NOW HOWARD DEAN IS EXPECTED TO WIN. BUT NOW YOU HAVE THE KERRY CAMPAIGN THAT SAYS WE'VE ALREADY PASSED DICK GEPHARDT AND WE'RE ONLY FOUR POINTS BEHIND DEAN. AND SO WE NOW START GETTING INTO THAT ASPECT, WELL, NOW I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, JOHN KERRY IS SUPPOSED TO TAKE SECOND. IF HE DOESN'T TAKE SECOND, IS HE DONE? AND YOU START ADDING ALL THOSE SCENARIOS BACK AND FORTH.

Yepsen: ONE OF THOSE -- TALK ABOUT WILD CARDS. I MEAN THE DEAN WILD CARD IS HE'S GOT A LOT OF NEW PEOPLE, A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE, AND WILL THEY SHOW UP. I THINK THEY WILL. FOR GEPHARDT, THE WILD CARD IS HE HAS AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF LABOR UNION SUPPORT. NOW, THAT'S THE BACKBONE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. AND SO IT OUGHT TO BODE FAIRLY WELL FOR GEPHARDT. HOWEVER, SOME OF THOSE UNIONS, LIKE THE TEAMSTERS, THEY DO NOT HAVE A BIG TRADITION OF GOING TO DEMOCRATIC CAUCUSES. A LOT OF THOSE GUYS ARE REPUBLICANS. SO WILL THEY SHOW UP FOR DICK GEPHARDT? I THINK THAT'S A WILD CARD ON HIS --

Glover: MR. TULLY, YOU'RE HEADING SENATOR EDWARDS' IOWA CAMPAIGN. WHY HASN'T HE TAKEN OFF MORE? HE'S AN ATTRACTIVE GUY, A GOOD SPEAKER, A SOUTHERN MODERATE.

Tully: ABSOLUTELY. WELL, I THINK THE FIRST THING IN SAYING THIS -- YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT HOW WELL DEAN DID. DEAN LIVED HERE, I MEAN LITERALLY SPENT THE FIRST SIX MONTHS, FROM JANUARY UP INTO JUNE, BEING HERE ALMOST FULL TIME. THAT WAS GOOD ON HIS PART. THAT TIME FOR THE OTHER CANDIDATES, AND INCLUDING JOHN EDWARDS, THEY HAD TO SPEND THE TIME RAISING MONEY. HE'S NOT THE USUAL POLITICIAN WITH THE LONG -- THE POCKETS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT FUND-RAISING. AND SO WHAT WE'VE SEEN -- AND AGAIN, KEEP IT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT BECAUSE I AM COCHAIR, BUT OUR NUMBERS OVER THIS LAST, LITERALLY, TWO TO THREE WEEKS, WE'RE GETTING RECORD NUMBERS OF PEOPLE SHOWING UP AT EVENTS, TWO AND THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT THAT WE EXPECTED.

Roberts: WELL, WAIT A MINUTE.

Tully: WAIT A MINUTE, LET ME JUST FINISH. AND THEN THE FACT IS THAT I THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A NUMBER OF SURPRISES ON JANUARY 19.

Roberts: I THOUGHT THAT JOHN EDWARDS STARTED OUT BY RAISING MORE MONEY. EARLY ON HE HAD KIND OF A WAR CHEST, NUMBER ONE. AND NUMBER TWO, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN DEAN THEN, BECAUSE DEAN HAS RAISED MORE MONEY THAN ANYBODY AND HE WAS TOTALLY UNKNOWN COMPARED TO --

Yepsen: THE TRIAL LAWYERS WERE WHAT BANKROLLED JOHN EDWARDS. THEY TAPPED OUT AND DEAN IS STILL TAPPING THE INTERNET, THAT'S WHY.

Tully: WELL, THAT'S RIGHT. AND HE'S DONE A GREAT JOB OF THAT, BY THE WAY, DEAN HAS. IT'S A WONDERFUL PHENOMENA. BUT GOING TO YOUR QUESTION, YOU SAY HE RAISED MONEY. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS DOING. HE WAS RAISING MONEY IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS --

Roberts: NO, BUT DEAN RAISED -- WHAT I'M SAYING IS DEAN WAS MORE UNKNOWN THAN JOHN EDWARDS --

Tully: BUT YOU'VE ALSO GOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE MONEY THAT DEAN HAS RAISED AFTERWARDS -- YOU KNOW, IT'S THE OLD ADAGE, MONEY BEGETS MONEY. AND I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU, YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM HOWARD DEAN AND THE INTERNET, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK OTHER CAMPAIGNS WILL LEARN TO USE IN THE FUTURE AND IT MIGHT BE THE ONLY THING TO KEEP US EVEN UP WITH THE REPUBLICANS.

Yepsen: DEAN, THE ANSWER TO MIKE'S QUESTION IS JOHN EDWARDS, AS STEVE ROBERTS HAS NOTED, IS YOUNG, FIFTY YEARS OLD, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE HIM. HE'S KIND OF GREEN AND YOU HEAR THAT FROM DEMOCRATS. SO THAT'S EDWARDS' FIRST PROBLEM. THE SECOND PROBLEM IS HE WAS NOT SPENDING TIME ON TASK. HE HAD A PROBLEM IN THE CAMPAIGN. HE HAD TO DUMP THE CAMPAIGN MANAGER, AND IT CAUSED HIM TO LOSE HIS MOMENTUM AND HE'S NEVER RECOVERED. YOU MAY BE GETTING ALL KINDS OF NUMBERS THAT --

Tully: YOU MUST BE GETTING THAT CONFUSED WITH KERRY, BECAUSE WE'VE NEVER LOST OUR CAMPAIGN MANAGER.

Yepsen: NO, NO. HIS NAME IS STEVE JARDING.

Tully: HE WASN'T THE CAMPAIGN MANAGER.

Yepsen: YOU'RE CAMPAIGN -- LOOK, YOU CAN SPIN IT HOWEVER YOU WANT TO, ROB. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET GREAT CROWDS. YOU'RE NOT MOVING ANY NUMBERS IN THE POLLS. THAT'S JUST A FACT.

Tully: NO, NO, NO. HEY, DAVID, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME JUST SAY THIS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO TURN THIS INTO A -- WELL, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE AN EDWARDS DISCUSSION. BUT THE POINT BEING IS STEVE JARDING WAS NEVER THE HEAD OF THE CAMPAIGN. HE WAS THE HEAD OF THE PAC FROM THE OFF-YEAR. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH --

Yepsen: ARE WE HEARING SOME SPIN HERE, DEAN?

Tully: NO, BUT I MEAN -- WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?

Borg: IN ADDITION TO ALL THE PERSONAL TIME THEY'RE SPENDING HERE, A LOT OF TELEVISION TIME IS BEING PURCHASED. WHAT'S THE EFFECT OF THAT, DO YOU THINK, MIKE? IS THAT GOING TO MOVE ANY NUMBERS, BECAUSE WE TRADITIONALLY THINK OF THE IOWA CAUCUSES AS BEING FLESH ON FLESH?

Glover: I SEE THE ROLE OF TELEVISION WHICH, INCIDENTALLY, THERE'S MORE TELEVISION IN THIS CAUCUS CAMPAIGN THAN I'VE EVER SEEN BEFORE, AND I THINK IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY AND POLITICS AND INERTIA. ONE CANDIDATE RUNS A TELEVISION COMMERCIAL. THE OTHER CANDIDATE LOOKS AT IT: OH, MY GOSH, THIS GUY IS RUNNING A COMMERCIAL; I BETTER RUN A COMMERCIAL. YEAH, WE KNOW IT DOESN'T REALLY MOVE THE NUMBERS, BUT WE'VE GOT THIS WAD OF MONEY IN THE BANK, LET'S RUN IT, AND MAYBE WE CAN PLAY AROUND THE EDGES, MAYBE WE CAN MAKE A FAVORABLE IMPRESSION WITH SOME OF THESE UNDECIDED PEOPLE.

Yepsen: STEVE, HOW WORRIED ARE REPUBLICANS ABOUT THE BEATING THAT GEORGE BUSH IS TAKING FROM ALL THIS TV? SEVERAL -- TENS OF THOUSANDS OF RADIO --

Roberts: I THINK IN IOWA, WE'RE WORRIED, BUT I DON'T THINK --

Yepsen: THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IN IOWA.

Roberts: YEAH, IN IOWA. YEAH, WE'RE WORRIED BUT IT'S WAY EARLY. WE HAVE OUR -- THIS IS THE DEMOCRAT PARTY'S MOMENT APPROPRIATELY TO SELECT THEIR CANDIDATE IN THE CAUCUSES. IT'S NOT OURS.

Yepsen: WHY AREN'T REPUBLICANS COUNTERING? I MEAN WE DON'T SEE MANY SURROGATES. WE DON'T SEE THE PRESIDENT COMING HERE. WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF REPUBLICAN TV. YOU'RE WORRIED AND I UNDERSTAND WHY, BECAUSE THERE'S A LEFTOVER EFFECT HERE THAT COME NOVEMBER OF 2004, EVERYBODY IS GOING TO REMEMBER ALL THESE BAD THINGS THEY SAW ON TV ABOUT GEORGE BUSH.

Roberts: EXCEPT THAT THERE WILL BE A LOT OF TIME TO COUNTER THAT BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER. JANUARY 20, EVERYBODY MOVES OUT OF HERE. IN A FEW WEEKS THEY'LL BE ELSEWHERE. WE'LL HAVE PLENTY OF TIME. I THINK THAT'S THE PLAN. FOR EXAMPLE, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS HAVING ITS CONVENTION THE LATEST THAT ANY PARTY HAS EVER HAD A CONVENTION IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES. PART OF THAT IS THAT STRATEGY TO GET TO THE VERY END AND BE READY, BECAUSE BUSH DOESN'T HAVE ANY PRIMARY OPPONENT. WE DON'T HAVE A PAT BUCHANAN OR ANY OF THOSE ISSUES TO CONFRONT US. SO THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE LEISURE, IF YOU WILL, TO WAIT. BUT UNDERNEATH, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON, MORE THAN I'VE SEEN IN THE PAST FOR A PRESIDENTIAL --

Borg: ROB, YOU HAD A COMMENT ON THAT.

Tully: WELL, WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS GOING BACK TO WHAT ORIGINALLY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, AND THAT IS ABOUT ALL THE TV THAT'S GOING ON. I MEAN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENS IN POLITICS IS YOU CAN'T PHYSICALLY GO AND MEET EVERYBODY THAT'S GOING TO GO TO THE CAUCUS. EVEN THOUGH YOU TRY TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY BEEN TWO CANDIDATES, DEAN AND EDWARDS, HAVE BEEN ON ALL 99 COUNTIES. AND SO YOU CAN'T SHAKE HANDS WITH EVERYBODY, AND SO TV IS EFFECTIVE OF INTRODUCING YOURSELF TO THE GENERAL PARTICIPANTS.

Yepsen: IS THIS -- THE VOLUME OF THIS, THOUGH, WHEN YOU SEE ADS STACKED UP TWO AND THREE DEEP, IS IT HAVING ANY EFFECT AT THIS POINT, ROB?

Tully: WELL, I THINK THE CLOSER WE GET AND THE MORE ADS YOU GET, THEY DO GET LOST AMONG THEMSELVES. BUT THE REASON IS THAT WE HAVE ALL THESE ADS IS WE'RE RAISING MONEY AMONG ALL THESE CANDIDATES, UNPRECEDENTED AMOUNTS, THIS EARLY.

Roberts: I THINK THERE'S ONE OTHER THING THAT WE OUGHT TO KEEP IN MIND, THOUGH, AND MAYBE WE IN CENTRAL IOWA MISS IT. AND THAT IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE OF THESE CANDIDATES AROUND THE STATE, THEY'RE GOING TO A WHOLE LOT OF PLACES. THEY'RE SPENDING TIME -- I MEAN THEY'RE RUNNING, FIVE, SIX EVENTS A DAY IN RURAL COUNTIES, THAT ONE-ON-ONE, THAT RETAIL POLITICS, IF YOU WILL, IS STILL VERY --

Glover: WESTERN IOWA IS A HEAVILY REPUBLICAN SECTION OF THE STATE, BUT DEMOCRATS WILL HAVE CAUCUSES AND ELECT DELEGATES OUT THERE THAT --

Roberts: ABSOLUTELY.

Borg: MIKE, BRING US UP TO DATE, ALL OF US HERE, ON DENNIS KUCINICH. HE HAS POCKETS OF STRENGTH AND HE EXCITES CROWDS WHEN HE GETS THERE. IS HE GOING TO BE VIABLE?

Glover: THAT'S THE BIG QUESTION AND THE ANSWER IS PROBABLY NOT. HE DOES HAVE A POCKET OF SUPPORTERS THAT ARE VERY HIGHLY ENERGIZED. THEY'RE VERY HIGHLY COMMITTED. I'M SURE YOU GET THE SAME E-MAILS I GET. WHEN I WRITE ABOUT AN ISSUE AND I DON'T MENTION DENNIS KUCINICH, I GET OUTRAGED E-MAILS FROM PEOPLE, SO HE'S GOT A CORE OF SUPPORT OUT THERE. BUT THE DEMOCRATS HAVE THE 15-PERCENT VIABILITY RULE. IN OTHER WORDS, IF 100 PEOPLE SHOW UP AT A CAUCUS AND 10 OF THEM ARE DENNIS KUCINICH SUPPORTERS, HE GETS NOTHING. SO THE ROLE THAT DENNIS KUCINICH COULD PLAY IS WHERE DO THOSE PEOPLE GO WHEN THEY'RE NOT VIABLE. DICK GEPHARDT THINKS A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE COMMITTED UNION MEMBERS THAT WILL COME TO HIM, AND THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SEE DICK GEPHARDT SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT DENNIS KUCINICH.

Yepsen: THIS VIABILITY RULE PLAYS A FACTOR IN JOHN KERRY'S CAMPAIGN AS WELL. WE'VE NOT MENTIONED HIM VERY MUCH. SENATOR KERRY, TALK ABOUT RUNNING A BAD CAMPAIGN, HAS STARTED TO PICK UP HERE RECENTLY IN THE POLLS. AND SO THERE'S ALWAYS SOME QUESTION OF WHERE WOULD, SAY, THE EDWARDS PEOPLE GO IF, UNDER MIKE'S SCENARIO, THEY ONLY HAD FIVE OR SIX PEOPLE AT A CAUCUS. YOU KNOW, WOULD THEY GRAVITATE TOWARD JOHN KERRY? THOSE THREE TOP CANDIDATES -- DEAN EDWARDS AND -- DEAN, GEPHARDT, AND KERRY -- HAVE SOME SORTING OUT TO DO OF WHO THEY CAN GET THE LEFTOVERS FROM, FROM THE CANDIDATES LIKE KUCINICH OR A JOHN EDWARDS, WHO MAY NOT BE VIABLE.

Roberts: I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW WHY YOU EXPERTS THINK KERRY HAS HAD SO MUCH PROBLEMS, I MEAN WHY HIS CAMPAIGN WAS BAD.

Yepsen: FRONT-RUNNERITIS.

Glover: YEAH. HE STARTED OFF HIS CAMPAIGN AS THE PRESUMED FRONT-RUNNER, THE ABSOLUTE WORST THING TO DO BECAUSE A FRONT-RUNNER, WHENEVER THEY MAKE A MISTAKE, THEY'LL HAVE FEET OF CLAY AND WE'LL BLOW IT WAY OUT OF PROPORTION.

Yepsen: YOU MENTIONED THAT MARY RAE BRAGG COULDN'T GET A QUESTION INTO -- EARLY ON IN THE KERRY CAMPAIGN, YOU HAD THE SAME PROBLEM WITH JOHN KERRY. TODAY JOHN KERRY IS PICKING UP THE PHONE AND CALLING US. HE'S GOTTEN HUNGRY. HE'S FINALLY FIGURED OUT HOW TO DO THIS. IF JOHN KERRY HAD BEEN RUNNING THIS KIND OF CAMPAIGN SIX MONTHS AGO THAT HE'S RUNNING NOW, IT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT STORY. AND IN FAIRNESS TO ALL THESE DEMOCRATS, DEAN, EVENTS HAVE TENDED TO ECLIPSE THIS RACE. I MEAN YOU HAD THE RACE FOR GOVERNOR OF CALIFORNIA THAT CAME OUT OF NOWHERE. YOU HAD THE WAR IN IRAQ THAT TAKES OVER. SO SOMETIMES THERE'S NOTHING A CAMPAIGN CAN DO ABOUT IT.

Glover: THE OTHER THING HE RAN INTO WAS HIS CAMPAIGN WAS DIVIDED RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE ABOUT HOW HE OUGHT TO PROCEED. ONE CAMP THOUGHT HE OUGHT TO BE TAKING DEAN ON HEAD-ON. ANOTHER CAMP THOUGHT HE OUGHT TO BE ACTING MORE PRESIDENTIAL. AND THEY WERE MORE INTERESTED IN FIGHTING THAT FIGHT THAN GAINING THE NOMINATION.

Yepsen: EVERYBODY IN BOSTON IS A POLITICAL EXPERT. THEY ALL KNOW HOW TO RUN A PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.

Borg: IN JUST A MOMENT I'M GOING TO BE TAKING ABOUT ALL THE DEBATES AND PERSONAL APPEARANCES THAT WE HAVE COMING UP NOW IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS. BUT WHAT SHOULD WE BE LOOKING FOR, DO YOU THINK, STEVE, AS A REPUBLICAN, WHAT SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT IN THOSE CANDIDATES AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO PRESENT THEMSELVES IN THESE DEBATES IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS HERE IN IOWA?

Roberts: , WELL, I THINK WHAT YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR, WHAT WE ALL SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR, BECAUSE THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY THAT ONE OF THESE PEOPLE WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, IS SOMEBODY THAT YOU FEEL CAN DO THE JOB, THAT HAS A HANDLE ON THE ISSUES OF THE DAY AND, FRANKLY, IF YOU'RE A DEMOCRAT, HAS THE BEST CHANCE OF BEATING GEORGE W. BUSH.

Borg: DAVE, WHAT I'M REALLY LOOKING FOR THERE IS WHAT CANDIDATE HAS TO -- OR CANDIDATES HAVE TO SAY THE RIGHT THING OR AVOID MAKING THE MISTAKE?

Yepsen: HOWARD DEAN HAS GOT THE MOST DIFFICULT ROW TO HOE HERE BECAUSE PART OF THE MAN'S CHARM IS HIS BLUNT CANDOR, FRANKNESS. OCCASIONALLY HE SHOOTS HIS FOOT OFF; HE SAYS SOMETHING DUMB. ALL HIS OPPONENTS JUMP ON HIM. SO DEAN HAS TO CONTINUE WITH THIS MAGIC THAT'S MADE DEAN SO SUCCESSFUL WITHOUT MAKING MISTAKES. OTHER CANDIDATES -- IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO DO -- I THINK YOU MAY SEE, IN THESE NEXT THREE DEBATES, WHAT ARE THE POLITICAL EQUIVALENT OF THE HAIL MARY PASS. SOMEBODY HAS GOT -- THERE'S A LOT AT STAKE HERE. TIME IS RUNNING OUT. YOU BETTER GET IT SAID. AND SO I LOOK FOR SOME CANDIDATES TO TRY SOMETHING THAT IF THEY PULL IT OFF COULD BE VERY -- THAT KEY MOMENT OF THE CAMPAIGN THAT CRYSTALLIZES THINGS FOR THEM. IF THEY BLOW IT, IT'S GOING TO LOOK DESPERATE.

Tully: WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS EARLY ON IN THIS CAMPAIGN AND I THINK THE IMPORTANT ASPECT OF WHY THE RHETORIC GOT SO HOT IS THAT THERE'S STILL A VISCERAL FEELING AMONG DEMOCRATS THAT WE WON AN ELECTION FOUR YEARS AGO AND IT WAS TAKEN AWAY FROM US AND SO PEOPLE ARE ANGRY ABOUT THAT. DEAN CONNECTED WITH THAT. BUT THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH ANGER THAT YOU CAN -- THAT CAN YOU GO. AND I THINK THAT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE AS THESE NEXT COUPLE DEBATES COME UP IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO START SEEING PEOPLE TRYING TO BE -- AND I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE DEAN TRYING TO DO IT -- BE MORE PRESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, KEEPING DOWN THE LOBS AND THE THROES SO THAT PEOPLE SAY -- BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WHEN THEY GO TO THE CAUCUS, YOU KNOW, ALL THE HOT RHETORIC AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS FINE, BUT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SAY, "WHO DO I WANT TO BE PRESIDENT."

Glover: THERE'S A VERY REAL DANGER -- EXCUSE ME. THERE'S A VERY REAL DANGER FOR THESE GUYS THAT ARE BEATING UP ON DEAN. DEAN HAS MANAGED TO CONVINCE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT HE'S A NONPOLITICIAN, HE'S AN OUTSIDE-THE-BOX, OUTSIDE-OF-WASHINGTON, BLUNT-SPEAKING KIND OF GUY THAT WILL SAY WHAT'S ON HIS MIND AND MAYBE SAY SOMETHING DUMB EVERY NOW AND THEN, BUT HE'S NOT ONE OF THESE INSIDER WASHINGTON POLITICIANS. AND THE MORE THEY BEAT HIM, THE MORE THEY BANG ON HIM, THE MORE THEY PULL THE ATTACK STUFF, THE MORE IT REINFORCES THAT. YET DEAN'S PEOPLE TELL ME EVERY TIME THEY TAKE A WHACK LIKE THAT, THEIR INTERNALS GO UP.

Roberts: BUT THE PROBLEM IS IF THEY DON'T TAKE -- IF THEY DON'T GO AFTER HIM, THEN HE JUST CONTINUES FORWARD. [ SPEAKING AT ONCE ]

Roberts: WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT NEW HAMPSHIRE, BUT THE ISSUES IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, IF YOU DON'T COME OUT OF IOWA WITH SOMETHING, IF YOU'RE SOMEBODY OTHER THAN HOWARD DEAN, YOU'VE GOT A PROBLEM.

Yepsen: ONE GUY WHO'S STAYING ABOVE THE FRAY IS JOHN EDWARDS, AND HE'S GETTING SOME GOOD MARKS FROM PEOPLE FOR STAYING CIVIL, FOR NOT ENGAGING IN THIS DEAN BASHING. AND I THINK THAT WORKS TO HIS BENEFIT IF HE WANTS TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT AGAIN SOMEDAY OR IF HE'D LIKE TO WIND UP AS THE DEMOCRATIC VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE.

Borg: WE'VE ONLY GOT A COUPLE --

Yepsen: IT'S A CLASSY CAMPAIGN.

Borg: ROB, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING.

Tully: WELL, I JUST WANTED TO SAY ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS BEFORE WE GO TODAY IS TALKING ABOUT THE VARIOUS ASPECTS OR SCENARIOS OF THE BUMPS, BECAUSE SOMEBODY BROUGHT IT UP ABOUT NEW HAMPSHIRE. I MEAN THERE HAS -- THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED THE IOWA BUMP. AND CERTAIN ASPECTS, DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS, WILL AFFECT THE RACES DOWN THE ROAD. I THINK ONE -- SOMEBODY WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED BUT I THINK HAS BEEN A MAJOR MISTAKE FOR 2003 WAS WESLEY CLARK NOT COMING TO IOWA.

Yepsen: AND JOE LIEBERMAN.

Tully: I THINK THAT WAS A CRUCIAL MISTAKE. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, HERE'S A GUY THAT RAISED $10 MILLION THIS LAST CYCLE. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO COMPETE. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SAID, WELL, HE HADN'T BEEN HERE. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH FLUIDITY UP UNTIL THE TIME OF RIGHT BEFORE THE CAUCUSES, I THINK THAT WAS A MAJOR MISTAKE ON HIS PART.

Borg: DID HE MISJUDGE, THEN, THE ROLE OF THE IOWA CAUCUSES, AND IS THAT LIKELY TO AFFECT IOWA FOUR YEARS FROM NOW?

Tully: WELL, LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY: I THINK THAT -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL AFFECT US FOUR YEARS FROM NOW, BUT IT WILL AFFECT HIM BECAUSE I REALLY BELIEVE THAT HAD HE COME HERE AND BEEN AT LEAST -- YOU KNOW, HE HAD NO EXPECTATIONS, SO WHATEVER HE DID, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN FINE. HE WOULD HAVE HAD MORE EXPOSURE, PLUS THE CRUCIAL PLACE THAT HE NEEDS TO WORK INTO IS NEW HAMPSHIRE AND ULTIMATELY SOUTH CAROLINA. I MEAN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO FORGET -- WE TALK ABOUT THE IOWA AND NEW HAMPSHIRE -- BUT SOUTH CAROLINA BEING A SOUTHERN STATE, THIS IS AN ASPECT THAT WE --

Roberts: VERY BRIEFLY, THE PROBLEM IS, WHEN YOU RUN IN IOWA, YOU'VE GOT TO RUN LIKE YOU'RE RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR OR SENATOR, AND HE WAS SO LATE THAT IT MADE IT SEEM IMPOSSIBLE.

Borg: QUICK ONE, MIKE.

Glover: THAT COULD HAVE BEEN A MISTAKE ON HIS PART. THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT GETTING SUCKED INTO IOWA AND COMPETING IN A CONTEST THEY COULDN'T WIN, SO THEY JUST DECIDED TO BYPASS IT. WE'LL SEE IF IT'S A MISTAKE.

Borg: YEAH, WELL, THANKS FOR THE PROPHESY AND FOR THE ANALYSIS. WE'LL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO IF IT ALL COMES TRUE ON JANUARY 19. AND WE HAVE A FEW PROGRAM REMINDERS, AS I SAID, AS WE CLOSE. SUNDAY THE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CONTENDERS MEET FOR A CAMPAIGN FORUM HERE AT OUR IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION STUDIOS. IT'S "THE DES MOINES REGISTER'S" DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES DEBATE, LIVE SUNDAY AFTERNOON AT 2:00. IT WILL BE REBROADCAST IMMEDIATELY AFTER THAT. THAT WILL BE ABOUT 4:00 THE SAME DAY. "DES MOINES REGISTER" EDITOR PAUL ANGER WILL MODERATE THAT DEBATE, AND I HOPE YOU'LL WATCH. THEN ON MONDAY OF THIS COMING WEEK, IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION BEGINS A TEN-PART SERIES ON THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES AND THE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW THOSE CAMPAIGNS. IT'S "THE CANDIDATES WITH DAVID YEPSEN" WE CALL IT. IT WILL BE AT 6:30 MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, JANUARY 5 THROUGH 9 AND THEN AGAIN MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, JANUARY 12 THROUGH 16. OPENING THE SERIES ON MONDAY, JANUARY 5, DAVID WILL BE TALKING WITH SENATOR JOHN KERRY OF MASSACHUSETTS. THEN ALSO COMING UP THIS WEEK IS A NATIONWIDE RADIO DEBATE ORIGINATING IN IOWA, COSPONSORED BY THE "WOI RADIO GROUP" AND "NPR," NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO. THE DEMOCRATIC CONTENDERS WILL DISCUSS THE POLICY AND POLITICS OF THE 2004 CAMPAIGN. THAT WILL BE ON TUESDAY, JANUARY 6. IT WILL BE LIVE FROM 1 TO 3 ON PUBLIC RADIO STATIONS NATIONWIDE AND, OF COURSE, ON "WOI RADIO" A.M. 640 HERE IN CENTRAL IOWA, ONE OF THE COSPONSORS. WELL, THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEKEND'S EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS." A LOT GOING ON BUT WE WANT TO WISH YOU A HAPPY NEW YEAR FROM ALL OF US HERE AT IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION. THANKS FOR JOINING US TODAY. FUNDING FOR THIS PROGRAM WAS PROVIDED BY "FRIENDS," THE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION FOUNDATION... GENERATIONS OF FAMILIES AND FRIENDS WHO FEEL PASSIONATE ABOUT THE PROGRAMS THEY WATCH ON IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION; AND BY THE IOWA BANKERS ASSOCIATION... FOR PERSONAL, BUSINESS, AND COMMERCIAL NEEDS, IOWA BANKS HELP IOWANS REACH THEIR FINANCIAL GOALS.