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Making Iowa a Better Place to Work and Live
(#3212)
November 19, 2004

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Borg: REVITALIZATION, MAKING IOWA A BETTER PLACE TO WORK AND LIVE. WE DISCUSS WHAT SHOULD BE DONE AND WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH AMES BUSINESSMAN DAVID SLY AND INDIANOLA MAYOR JERRY KELLEY ON THIS EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS."

FUNDING FOR THIS PROGRAM WAS PROVIDED BY "FRIENDS," THE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION FOUNDATION; AND BY THE IOWA BANKERS ASSOCIATION... FOR PERSONAL, BUSINESS, AND COMMERCIAL NEEDS, IOWA BANKS HELP IOWANS REACH THEIR FINANCIAL GOALS.

ON STATEWIDE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION, THIS IS THE FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 19 EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS." HERE IS DEAN BORG.

Borg: THE TERM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS A CATCH PHRASE, BUT BRINGING IT TO REALITY INVOLVES A HIGHLY COMPETITIVE ROUGH-AND-TUMBLE, HIGH-STAKES ENVIRONMENT. WITH THE IOWA GENERAL ASSEMBLY ABOUT TO OPEN A NEW SESSION, IT'S TIME TO RECONSIDER WHERE THE STATE IS HEADED. YOU MIGHT RECALL THAT THIS PAST JUNE IOWA PUBLIC TELEVISION'S "IMAGINE IOWA" SERIES DEVELOPED SOME VIBRANT IDEAS FROM THOSE IN THE POLICY TRENCHES: ELECTED OFFICIALS, CIVIC LEADERS, ACTIVISTS, VENTURE CAPITALISTS, BUSINESSMEN, ACADEMICS, AND OTHERS. WELL, TODAY WE'VE INVITED TWO CONTRIBUTORS TO THAT FORUM ON IOWA'S FUTURE FOR SOME FURTHER CONSIDERATION. INDIANOLA MAYOR JERRY KELLEY HAS BEEN A BOARD MEMBER WITH A NUMBER OF ORGANIZATIONS DEALING WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING THE 2010 COMMISSION ON IOWA'S FUTURE. AND AMES BUSINESSMAN DAVID SLY IS NOTED FOR CREATIVITY AND INNOVATION AND FOR SUCCESSES IN START-UP IOWA-GROWN ENTERPRISES. GENTLEMEN, WELCOME TO "IOWA PRESS." NICE TO HAVE YOU HERE. WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME IDEAS. ACROSS THE TABLE: "DES MOINES REGISTER" COLUMNIST DAVID YEPSEN AND "ASSOCIATED PRESS" SENIOR POLITICAL WRITER MIKE GLOVER.

Glover: MAYOR KELLEY, LET'S START WITH YOU. WE'RE HERE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE CONDITION OF THE STATE A COUPLE OF MONTHS BEFORE THE GOVERNOR OFFERS HIS VIEW OF THE CONDITION OF THE STATE. GIVE US YOUR REPORT. WHAT'S THE CONDITION OF THE STATE RIGHT NOW?

Kelley: OKAY. THIS MORNING WE FOUND OUT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT A $230-MILLION BUDGET DEFICIT. AND PRIOR TO THIS MORNING, I'D BEEN LED TO BELIEVE THAT WE WERE NOT GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THAT KIND OF A DEFICIT, THAT OUR REVENUES WERE COMING IN, AND THEY WERE COMING IN STRONG. ANOTHER $200-MILLION DEFICIT AND THE COMMENSURATE CUTS THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE HAVE CAUSED ME NOT TO BE AS OPTIMISTIC THIS MORNING AS I WAS WHEN I WENT TO BED LAST NIGHT. HOWEVER, HAVING SAID THAT, I THINK IOWA RIGHT NOW IS STARTING TO MAKE THE TRANSITION FROM THE ELI WHITNEY ASSEMBLY LINE CONCEPT TO THE GLOBAL ECONOMY ASSEMBLY LINE CONCEPT. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THAT AS EACH COMMUNITY, AS OUR STATE FINDS OUT WHERE IS ITS POSITION ON THE GLOBAL ECONOMY ASSEMBLY LINE INSTEAD OF WE'RE GOING TO BRING RAW MATERIALS TO INDIANOLA AND WE'RE GOING TO BUILD SOMETHING AND SHIP IT OUT, WHAT CAN WE DO? WHERE DO WE FIT IN? AND AS WE BEGIN TO RECOGNIZE THAT, I THINK WE'LL BE FINE. BUT RECOGNIZING THAT AND MAKING THE TRANSITION AT THE LOCAL LEVEL FROM WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD TO BE TO WHAT'S GOING TO BE IS VERY DIFFICULT AND IT'S CAUSING A LOT OF ANGST.

Glover: WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME IN THAT?

Kelley: I THINK IT'S VERY SHORT. I THINK IF WE DO NOT MAKE THAT TRANSITION IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME -- I'M TALKING ABOUT BY THE END OF THIS DECADE -- WE'RE GOING TO BE BACK WATERED.

Glover: MR. SLY, THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU. WHAT'S THE CONDITION OF THE STATE RIGHT NOW? IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT CHANGE AND MANAGING CHANGE, WHAT STARTING POINT ARE WE AT?

Sly: WELL, I THINK WE'RE OBVIOUSLY PRETTY EARLY IN THAT PROCESS. WE TEND TO MOVE PRETTY SLOW OUT HERE IN THE MIDWEST. WE'RE A VERY CONSERVATIVE CULTURE. WE CLEARLY HAVE DONE I THINK A PRETTY GOOD JOB IN THE FINANCE AREA AND A NUMBER OF THE SERVICE AREAS. WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF GROWTH IN THAT AREA, ESPECIALLY HERE IN THE DES MOINES AREA. AND, OF COURSE, AGRICULTURE IS WHAT AGRICULTURE IS. IT HAS ITS UP TIMES AND ITS DOWN TIMES, BUT RECENTLY IT'S BEEN PRETTY GOOD. MANUFACTURING, THOUGH, WHICH HAS BEEN ACTUALLY A VERY STRONG BASE IN IOWA, IT'S ONE OF THE TOP INCOME PRODUCERS THAT WE HAVE AND EMPLOYS A LOT OF OUR PEOPLE -- REALLY THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, MANUFACTURING IS HAVING SOME VERY DIFFICULT TIMES, AND IOWA IS NO EXCEPTION AT ALL. I THINK WE'VE SEEN SOME VERY SIGNIFICANT PRESSURE ON THE MANUFACTURING COMMUNITY IN IOWA OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS. AND UNFORTUNATELY, I BELIEVE THAT PRESSURE WILL INCREASE AND MAYBE EVEN ACCELERATE OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS. SO I'D HAVE TO AGREE WITH MAYOR KELLEY THAT WE NEED TO SERIOUSLY REEVALUATE WHERE OUR JOBS ARE GOING TO BE OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS.

Yepsen: MR. SLY, IF YOU HAD A MAGIC WAND AND COULD DO ONE THING TO MAKE IOWA A BETTER PLACE, WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

Sly: WELL, I'D TRY TO INCREASE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT SUPPORTS THE DEVELOPMENT OF NEW BUSINESSES IN THOSE AREAS THAT MAYOR KELLEY TALKED ABOUT. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO BETTER THAN ANYONE IN THE WORLD CAN DO IT. AND I THINK THAT INNOVATION AND TECHNOLOGY ARE THOSE KEY AREAS THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON. SO SUPPORTING THE BUSINESS INCUBATORS, SUPPORTING EDUCATION FOR ENTREPRENEURSHIP ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE HIGH SCHOOLS, THAT SUPPORTIVE STRUCTURE IS THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD DO. I WOULD ENHANCE THAT STRUCTURE TO CREATE MORE INNOVATION, TO CREATE MORE ENTREPRENEURSHIP, AND TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF THE OLD VIEW -- WHICH IS I GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL, I GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE, AND I GO TO WORK AT THE LOCAL FACTORY, OKAY, BECAUSE THAT'S DONE, ALL RIGHT; IT'S GONE -- TO A NEWER VIEW WHERE THERE ARE THINGS THAT I CAN DO IN THIS NEW ECONOMY THAT I CAN DO BETTER THAN ANYONE AND I NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW I CAN START THOSE BUSINESSES.

Yepsen: MAYOR KELLEY, SAME QUESTION TO YOU. IF YOU HAD A MAGIC WAND AND COULD DO ONE THING, WHAT WOULD IT BE?

Kelley: I'LL TAKE WHAT DAVID SAID AND GO TO CREATE THE ENTREPRENEUR CAPITAL IN IOWA. WE HAVE TREMENDOUS WEALTH IN IOWA BOTH IN OUR LAND AND ALSO WEALTH THAT HAS BEEN GENERATED OVER GENERATIONS. ONE OF THE -- ONE OF THE KEY THINGS ABOUT IOWANS IS THAT THEY START A BUSINESS, BUSINESS GOES ON AND BUSINESS GOES ON AND BUSINESS GOES ON, WEALTH IS ACCUMULATED. WE NEED TO ESTABLISH A MORE PHILANTHROPIC COMMUNITY WITHIN IOWA TO CREATE BOTH LOCAL FOUNDATIONS AND REGIONAL FOUNDATIONS. USING THAT CAPITAL GENERATED TO SUPPORT ENTREPRENEURIAL BUSINESS VENTURES I THINK IS ONE OF THE WAYS WE COULD TAKE OUR HISTORIC, GOOD IOWA TRADITIONS AND START TO IMPLEMENT A DIFFERENT FORM OF IOWA'S FUTURE. I THINK THAT NOT GOVERNMENT DEPENDENT, BECAUSE DEPENDENT ON THE GOVERNMENT -- I'M BACK ON MY $230-MILLION DEFICIT THIS MORNING, BUT IOWANS CAN DO IT. WE JUST NEED TO BE ABLE TO GENERATE THE TOOLS TO DO IT.

Borg: MR. SLY, YOU GAVE US SOME INDICATION OF WHAT'S WORKING WELL IN IOWA AND WHERE WE HAVE SOME PROBLEMS, AND YOU SAID THAT YOU EXPECT CONTINUED PRESSURE ON MANUFACTURING. TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, WHAT IS WORKING WELL IN IOWA RIGHT NOW? WHAT ADVANTAGES DOES THIS STATE HAVE, GIVING IT A LEG UP IN COMPETITION WITH OTHER STATES FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND REVITALIZATION?

Sly: WELL, I THINK OUR LOCATION IS PRETTY GOOD. I MEAN WE'RE CENTRALLY LOCATED IN THE UNITED STATES. THAT HELPS A LOT IN TERMS OF GETTING PRODUCTS IN AND OUT. WE'RE KIND OF IN THAT HUB OF I-80 AND 35, WHICH BRINGS A LOT OF TRANSPORTATION-RELATED BUSINESSES, DISTRIBUTION, AND WAREHOUSING, AND THAT'S A GREAT BUSINESS. THAT'S ONLY GOING TO INCREASE IN THE UNITED STATES. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN'T OUTSOURCE, THE MOVEMENT OF GOODS IN THE UNITED STATES. SO I THINK IOWA IS IN A REALLY GOOD POSITION THERE. OF COURSE, WE DO HAVE A GOOD TELECOMMUNICATIONS NETWORK. WE'VE GOT ONE OF THE TOP ONES BECAUSE OF THE FINANCE INDUSTRY. WE HAVE A VERY STRONG FINANCIAL INDUSTRY. WE HAVE A VERY STRONG EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM. AND ACTUALLY -- OF COURSE, YOU GO BACK TO PEOPLE. WE HAVE PEOPLE WITH A REAL HARD WORK ETHIC. AND LIKE I SAID, WITH A GOOD EDUCATIONAL BASE, THAT FITS WELL. THE LAST THING I'D LIKE TO SAY IS OUR COST STRUCTURE IS FAIRLY LOW, WHICH IN THIS NEW ECONOMY, RIGHT, WHERE WE'RE COMPETING WITH COUNTRIES THAT ARE PAYING PEOPLE $25 A MONTH, OKAY, WE'RE NOT THAT LOW, BUT COMPARED TO THE EAST AND WEST COAST, WE'RE VERY COST EFFECTIVE.

Borg: I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A PORTFOLIO ON WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT HERE, AND IT'S AGRICULTURE. BUT IF THERE'S PRESSURE IN THE BUSINESS AREA, THEN DOES IOWA HAVE AN ADVANTAGE AGRICULTURALLY THAT IT OUGHT TO BE TAKING MORE ADVANTAGE OF?

Sly: WELL, I THINK CLEARLY THERE'S INNOVATION RELATED TO AGRICULTURE. WHETHER THAT'S BIOTECHNOLOGY OR NOT, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY BECAUSE I REALLY DON'T KNOW. THAT'S NOT MY FIELD. BUT THERE'S CLEARLY INNOVATION THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO AND THAT WE ARE DOING IN THE AGRICULTURAL FIELD THAT WE CAN DO BETTER THAN ANYONE IN THE WORLD. WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF EXPORTING THAT INNOVATION, ESPECIALLY TO THE COUNTRIES THAT WE'RE NOW BUYING PRODUCTS FROM.

Borg: MR. KELLEY, WHAT DO YOU SEE GOING RIGHT IN IOWA THAT WE CAN EXPLOIT?

Kelley: DESPERATION.

Borg: YOU MEAN WHEN YOUR BACK IS AGAINST THE WALL --

Kelley: SIXTY-EIGHT COUNTIES HAVE STABLE OR DECLINING POPULATION. WE ARE -- WE ARE SHRINKING OUR STATE INTO OUR ECONOMIC CENTERS, INTO OUR METROPOLITAN AREAS. TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT TO A COUNTY THAT IS LOOKING AT THAT KIND OF DESPERATION AND SAY TO THEM, "LOOK, THERE'S HOPE, WE CAN PUT TELECOMMUNICATIONS INTO YOUR AREA, WE CAN PUT ALTERNATIVE CROPS INTO YOUR AREA, THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU CAN BE DOING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IN THE PAST," DESPERATION IS A GREAT MOTIVATOR AND IT CAUSES GREAT CREATIVE THINKING.

Glover: MAYOR KELLEY, LET'S LOOK AT SOME INSTITUTIONS IN OUR SOCIETY AND LET'S START WITH ONE THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED ALREADY, AND THAT'S STATE GOVERNMENT. WHAT SHOULD WE LOOK FOR OUT OF STATE GOVERNMENT, OR SHOULD WE LOOK FOR MUCH OF ANYTHING, GIVEN THAT I'VE HEARD THIS CURRENT STATE GOVERNMENT THAT JUST GOT ELECTED IS THE MOST EVENLY DIVIDED IN SEVENTY YEARS? CAN YOU REALISTICALLY EXPECT MUCH FROM STATE GOVERNMENT?

Kelley: I'M WEARING MY MUNICIPAL HAT.

Glover: RIGHT.

Kelley: I WOULD LIKE THEM TO LEAVE US ALONE FOR A WHILE. I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE JUST A WONDERFUL THING. IN MY COUNTY, IF WE CAN COME UP WITH CREATIVE WAYS OF MORE EFFECTIVELY DELIVERING GOVERNMENT SERVICES, I WOULD LIKE THE STATE TO ALLOW US TO DO THAT. I WOULD LIKE WARREN COUNTY -- INDIANOLA, CARLISLE, AND NORWALK -- TO BE ABLE TO COMBINE OUR STREET AND TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENTS INTO ONE ENTITY AND HAVE ONE FUNDING STREAM INSTEAD OF GOING OUT THE WAY WE DO AND WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. I'D LIKE THEM TO GET OUT OF THE WAY OF CREATIVE THINKING. AND MAYBE IF THEY'RE BUSY WITH WHO GETS THE BIGGEST OFFICE, THIS MAY BE ONE OF THE BENEFITS FROM THAT, THOUGH I THINK THEY'VE SOLVED THAT. THE NEW LEGISLATURE, I HAVE GREAT HOPES FOR. I KNOW IT'S EVENLY DIVIDED. BUT I THINK IT'S EVENLY DIVIDED, BUT IT HAS A SENSE OF WE ARE HERE TOGETHER. AND THE IDEA OF IMAGINING IOWA BY WORKING TOGETHER I THINK IS A VERY POSITIVE THING RIGHT NOW.

Glover: MR. SLY, ONE THING THAT STRUCK ME ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE SAID SO FAR AS IT RELATES TO STATE GOVERNMENT IS THE BIGGEST ARGUMENT YOU HEAR IN STATE GOVERNMENT IS REPUBLICANS SAYING, OH, WE HAVE TO CUT TAX TO MAKE THE ECONOMY GO AWAY AGAIN. DEMOCRATS SAYING, OH, WE'VE GOT TO INVEST IN STATE GOVERNMENT TO GET THE ECONOMY GO AGAIN. I DON'T HEAR THAT FROM YOU. ARE THOSE PHONY ARGUMENTS? YOU'RE NOT RUNNING FOR ANYTHING SO --

Sly: NO, I'M WANT. NO, I'M NOT. TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION I THINK WE HAVE TO ANSWER WHAT SHOULD STATE GOVERNMENT BE DOING, AND THAT IS WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON INFRASTRUCTURE, WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON EDUCATION, WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON TAX CREDITS TO FOSTER THE KIND OF ACTIVITY WE WANT PEOPLE TO DO. OKAY, IN MY OPINION, THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WE NEED TO HAVE RESOURCES THAT WOULD ATTRACT BUSINESSES THAT ARE AN ENTREPRENEURIAL NATURE OR THAT WOULD FOSTER TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPMENT IN CERTAIN SEGMENTS LIKE MAYBE BIOTECHNOLOGY, ALTHOUGH THAT'S NOT MY SEGMENT BUT THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S HARD FOR NEW BUSINESSES TO DO. AND THE NICE THING ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE IS THAT'S IT'S THERE. WHETHER IT'S THIS COMPANY OR THIS COMPANY OR THIS COMPANY, THE STATE KEEPS IT. THEN, THE EDUCATION -- FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE A GREAT EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM. WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS GET PEOPLE TO THINK IN A LITTLE BIT MORE ENTREPRENEURIAL AND GLOBAL MANNER THAN THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST, BUT THAT'S A TRANSITION.

Yepsen: WELL, MR. SLY, LET'S SWITCH TO THE INSTITUTION OF BUSINESS IN THIS STATE. WE FOCUS A LOT ON PUBLIC POLICY ON THIS PROGRAM, BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. WHAT SHOULD YOU GUYS BE DOING THAT YOU'RE NOT IN ORDER TO HAVE A BETTER FUTURE HERE? WE CAN'T JUST KEEP LOOKING AT THE POLITICIANS IN DES MOINES AND WASHINGTON TO SOLVE ALL OUR PROBLEMS. WHAT DOES THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY WANT TO DO?

Sly: WELL, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO WORK BETTER TOGETHER IN SOME AREAS, AND I THINK I SAID TAX POLICY CAN SOMETIMES HELP THAT. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF NEW BUSINESS START-UPS AT THE RESEARCH PARKS THAT MAYBE THE OTHER BUSINESSES IN THE STATE AREN'T LEVERAGING SOME OF THOSE TECHNOLOGIES AND PRODUCTS AS MUCH AS THEY COULD. NOW, WHETHER THAT'S TAX POLICY, WHETHER THAT'S BETTER MARKETING, WHETHER THAT'S BETTER COMMUNICATION THAT WE'RE NOT DOING A GOOD JOB OF, I THINK THAT'S KEY. WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO FOSTER IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY THE CREATION OF MORE PEOPLE GETTING INTO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY GETTING INTO ENTREPRENEURSHIP. AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT BUSINESSPEOPLE CAN DO.

Yepsen: ARE BUSINESSMEN AND BUSINESSPEOPLE IN IOWA LAZY? IT STRIKES ME YOU'VE GOT TWO OR THREE GENERATIONS OF PEOPLE WHO OWN BUSINESSES AND THEY'RE QUITE CONTENT WITH THE WAY THEY ARE AND THEY REALLY DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT, SO THEY GET THEIR CLOCK CLEANED BY A COMPETITOR SOMEPLACE ELSE.

Sly: WELL, FIRST OF ALL, SOME OF THAT CLOCK CLEANING IS BEING DONE BY SOME VERY SIGNIFICANT FACTORS TRULY OUT OF THEIR CONTROL, AND I THINK SOME OF THE GLOBALIZATION ISSUES ARE JUST COMING TO THAT REALITY. YOU KNOW, CLEARLY, THESE PEOPLE COULD BE THINKING A LITTLE BIT MORE AHEAD AND SAYING, HEY, THIS BUSINESS MAY NOT BE HERE TOMORROW. MAYBE I NEED TO THINK TODAY ABOUT MOVING INTO OUR BUSINESS SEGMENT. THAT IS A CHALLENGE IN IOWA BECAUSE OF THE CONSERVATIVE NATURE. WE TEND TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF STEADINESS AND A LOT OF CONSERVATIVENESS WITH REGARDS TO BEING AGGRESSIVE IN TECHNOLOGY OR MOVING INTO NEW MARKET SEGMENTS. NOW, SOMETIMES THAT'S HELPED US, RIGHT, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T JUMPED ON THE LATEST BANDWAGON THAT'S COST US TO LOSE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND YOU'RE SEEING THE EXACT SAME THING, IS THAT WE'RE NOT REACTING TO THE REALITY OF THE GLOBAL ECONOMY QUICK ENOUGH, AND THAT IS CAUSING US TO CONTINUE TO DO THINGS WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING ANYMORE.

Yepsen: MAYOR KELLEY, SAME QUESTION TO YOU. WHAT SHOULD THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY BE DOING THAT THEY'RE NOT?

Kelley: WE HAVE A LOOMING CRISIS IN TERMS OF OUR WORK FORCE IN IOWA. ONE OF THE THINGS WE DETERMINED IN IOWA 2010 IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SHORT 300,000 WORKERS IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS FOR MAINTAINING OUR CURRENT ECONOMIC CONDITION. THE COMPETITION FOR OUR WORK FORCE IS GOING TO CAUSE SOME OF OUR BUSINESSES NOT TO BE SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY THE HIGHER WAGES. IT'S GOING TO CAUSE SOME OF THEM TO OUTSOURCE THEIR BUSINESSES TO OTHER AREAS WHERE THERE'S MORE POPULATION. WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE FACT THAT WE DO NOT HAVE A WORK FORCE TO MAINTAIN OUR ECONOMIC CONDITION. WHEN WE LOOK AT A BUSINESS TO COME TO INDIANOLA -- I HAVE A GOOD FRIEND THAT ALWAYS CALLS ME AND SAYS, DO THEY USE WELDERS BECAUSE IF THEY USE WELDERS, HE DOESN'T REALLY WANT THEM TO COME TO TOWN BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH WELDERS FOR HIS BUSINESS.

Yepsen: SO ARE BUSINESSES NOT PAYING GOOD WAGES IN IOWA? I MEAN IF YOU PAY THEM, THEY WILL COME, RIGHT?

Kelley: NO, THAT'S NOT TRUE. WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING ALL ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, THE BABY-BOOMER RETIREMENT OCCURRENCE, TAKING 1945 AND ADDING SIXTH-FIVE YEARS TO IT, THAT'S THE END OF THIS DECADE. WE'RE GOING TO BE SHORT WORK FORCE EVERYWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES. IT ISN'T JUST AN IOWA PHENOMENON. WE JUST HAPPEN TO BE LEADING IN THIS AREA RIGHT NOW.

Borg: MAYOR, IS THAT AN ARGUMENT FOR SUBSIDIZING IN SOME WAY, MAYBE NOT WITH MONEY, IMMIGRATION?

Kelley: IMMIGRATION. I HAPPEN TO CHAIR THE WORK FORCE POPULATION COMMITTEE FOR IOWA 2010, AND ONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WAS THAT IOWA NEEDED TO BE THE ELLIS ISLAND OF THE MIDWEST, THAT WE NEEDED TO ENCOURAGE LEGAL IMMIGRATION. I'M STILL GETTING HATE MAIL. YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS LATER AND I'M STILL GETTING HATE MAIL FROM IT. BUT WHEN WE MADE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT, I RECEIVED, IN INDIANOLA CITY HALL, 822 RESUMES FROM PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD THAT WANTED TO COME TO IOWA, THAT WANTED TO COME HERE, PEOPLE WITH TREMENDOUS SKILL SETS. IOWA, YOU WANT US; WE'D LIKE TO COME HERE. THAT'S A POSITIVE THING. IF IOWA CAN OPEN ITS ARMS TO THE KIND OF SKILL SETS THAT WE NEED TO KEEP THE ENTREPRENEURSHIP GOING, TO KEEP OUR ECONOMY GOING, THAT'S A GREAT THING. AND WE SHOULDN'T LOOK AT IT WITH SUCH FEAR.

Glover: MR. SLY, LET'S LOOK AT ANOTHER INSTITUTION IN OUR SOCIETY THAT YOU MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TIMES, EDUCATION. LET'S SPLIT IT IN TWO SUBSETS IF WE COULD: ELEMENTARY AND SECONDARY EDUCATION AND THE HIGHER EDUCATION COMPONENT. WHAT DO BUSINESSES NEED FROM BOTH OF THOSE? THOSE ARE PILLARS OF OUR SOCIETY?

Sly: WELL, CLEARLY THE HIGHER EDUCATION COMPONENT, WE NEED PEOPLE THAT ARE SKILLED TO DO VERY SPECIFIC TASKS AND NOT JUST THINKING PROCESSES, WHICH EDUCATIONS WORK ON AND DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB -- THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM WORKS ON AND DOES A GOOD JOB, BUT ALSO IN TERMS OF VERY SPECIFIC SKILLS IN TECHNOLOGY AND NEW PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT. I THINK AT THEY LOWER END, ONCE AGAIN, THE BEST THING THAT I CAN THINK OF IS TRYING TO FOSTER MORE OF AN INDEPENDENT THINKING APPROACH AND AN ENTREPRENEURIAL APPROACH. THERE'S A NUMBER OF VERY SUCCESSFUL GRADE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL PROGRAMS IN GETTING PEOPLE TO LOOK AT BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES, WHETHER THEY'RE A FULL-CAREER OPTION OR WHETHER THEY'RE A SIDELINE OPTION. THE FACT IS THAT THAT'S A THOUGHT PROCESS WE NEED TO START INSTILLING EARLIER ON, BECAUSE WHEN WE GREW UP, THAT WAS NOT A THOUGHT PROCESS THAT WAS AMPLIFIED. IT WAS, YOU KNOW, YOU GET A JOB -- YOU GO TO SCHOOL AND YOU GET A JOB. THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE.

Glover: MAYOR KELLEY, HOW ARE SCHOOLS DOING, BOTH ELEMENTARY AND SECONDARY AND HIGHER EDUCATION? HOW ARE THEY DOING IN HELPING IOWA TRANSFORM INTO THIS NEW ECONOMY?

Kelley: I'M NOT SURE THAT OUR SCHOOL SYSTEMS HAVE MADE THE TRANSITION THEMSELVES VERY WELL.

Glover: WHAT DO THEY NEED TO DO?

Kelley: AND I THINK THAT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS THAT WHEN -- I STARTED TEACHING IN 1965. I TAUGHT FOR THIRTY-FIVE YEARS. AND I KNEW HOW TO TEACH PARTICULAR SUBJECTS. I DID NOT COME OUT OF A BUSINESS BACKGROUND. TO TEACH -- TO HAVE ME TEACH A BUSINESS BACKGROUND IS A VERY DIFFICULT THING. I CAN TEACH SOME ENGLISH. I CAN TEACH THEM SOCIAL STUDIES. I CAN TEACH ALL SORTS OF OTHER THINGS BUT NOT THE ETHICS OF BUSINESS -- THE POSITIVE ETHIC OF BUSINESS. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET INTO OUR SCHOOL SYSTEMS THE PEOPLE WHO CAN ACT -- LIKE DAVID SLY INTO OUR SCHOOL SYSTEMS TO TEACH THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE REALLY NEED TO KNOW, NOT JUST TO BE TEACHERS OR NOT TO CONTINUE THEIR EDUCATION AND PERPETUITY BUT TO ACTUALLY GO OUT INTO A CHANGING WORK ENVIRONMENT.

Glover: I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET MR. SLY FOR A TEACHER SALARY. JUST A WILD GUESS.

Kelley: I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY TRUE, BUT IF WE CAN GET THE DAVID SLYS INTO OUR CLASSROOMS, EVEN ON AN INTERIM BASIS SO THAT THE TEACHERS HAVE SOME BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT IS AND WHAT THE BUSINESS WORLD IS LIKE, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO THEN CARRY THAT ON WHEN THEY'RE DOING THEIR ENGLISH AND SOCIAL STUDIES.

Glover: MR. SLY, LET ME TIE IN WITH DAVID'S QUESTION. IS THAT A RESPONSIBILITY IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, TO GO BACK AND HELP TEACH THE SKILLS THAT HAVE MADE YOU SUCCESSFUL?

Sly: I DO THINK IT'S PART OF A RESPONSIBILITY OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. I DO THINK IT NEEDS TO BE FACILITATED. I THINK THAT, IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW IN THE HIGH SCHOOLS, THE GRADE SCHOOLS, AND EVEN IN COLLEGE, THE SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT CENTERS AROUND THE STATE HAVE BEEN THE INSTIGATORS OF THAT. AND THEY HAVE BROUGHT, YOU KNOW, DAVID KINGLAND FROM KINGLAND SYSTEMS AND OTHER ENTREPRENEURS IN THE STATE TO PROGRAMS BOTH AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL AND AT THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL AND EVEN AT THE GRADE SCHOOL LEVEL. BUT WE NEED THEM TO FACILITATE THAT, AND THEY'VE BEEN UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE WITH BUDGET CUTS AS WELL.

Yepsen: MAYOR KELLEY, WHAT -- LOCAL LEADERSHIP, WHAT RESPONSE -- WHAT SHOULD LOCAL LEADERS BE DOING, PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF, IN EACH COMMUNITY? IT STRIKES ME THAT WHEREVER I SEE A GOING TOWN IN IOWA, I SEE SOME PRETTY GOOD LOCAL LEADERS: MAYORS, CITY OFFICIALS, BUSINESSPEOPLE, NEWSPAPERS, BANKERS. I MEAN I SEE SOME PEOPLE WITH SOME HUSTLE. WHEREVER I SEE A DYING DOWN, A COUNTY THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED, I DON'T SEE THE LEADERSHIP.

Kelley: AN INTERESTING THING ABOUT LOCAL LEADERSHIP IS THAT PEOPLE RUN FOR CITY COUNCILS AND RUN TO BE MAYOR OR COUNTY SUPERVISORS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SEE SOME CHANGE IN THEIR ENVIRONMENT. GOVERNMENT IS STRUCTURED IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT DOESN'T ENCOURAGE CHANGE IN YOUR ENVIRONMENT. IT ENCOURAGES YOU TO WORRY ABOUT THE MINUTIA OF DELIVERING ESSENTIAL PUBLIC SERVICES INSTEAD OF HOW DO WE ACTUALLY CHANGE THE WAY OUR COMMUNITY FEELS ABOUT SOMETHING. YOU'RE SEEING A NEW GENERATION OF MUNICIPAL LEADERS, COUNTY LEADERS. SUPERVISORS RIGHT NOW ARE -- SOME OF THE MORE PROGRESSIVE LEADERS IN IOWA ARE SOME OF THE SUPERVISORS, AND SOME OF IT'S BECAUSE OF THE DESPERATION AND SOME OF IT IS BECAUSE THEY THINK THINGS HAVE TO CHANGE. THEY'RE GOING TO DO THEIR JOB. WE INSTITUTIONALLY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT LOCAL LEADERS REALLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THE JOB. WE SAY WE HAVE LOCAL CONTROL, BUT WE DON'T REALLY INSTITUTIONALIZE LOCAL CONTROL. WE DON'T EMPOWER IT.

Yepsen: MR. SLY, THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU ABOUT LOCAL LEADERSHIP, BUT NOT NECESSARILY LOCAL POLITICAL LEADERSHIP. I'M TALKING ABOUT LOCAL BUSINESS LEADERSHIP, EDUCATION, THE WHOLE GAMUT OF WHAT WE CALL LEADERS. ARE IOWA'S LEADERS TOO COMPLACENT? ARE WE SITTING ON OUR FANNIES OUT THERE AND NOT HUSTLING?

Sly: NO, I SEE A LOT OF SUPPORT IN AT LEAST IN THE COMMUNITY THAT I'M IN, AMES COMMUNITY AND ALSO IN NORTHWEST IOWA WHERE I ALSO SPEND QUITE A BIT OF TIME WITH THE LOCAL BUSINESS LEADERS, IN ALL KINDS OF WHAT YOU WOULD CALL GOVERNMENTAL-TYPE PROGRAMS, EVERYTHING FROM SUPPORTING PEOPLE THAT ARE IN NEED, TO BUILDING PARKS TO, YOU KNOW, HELPING START NEW BUSINESSES. SO I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF THAT GOING ON. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT COULDN'T BE INCREASED. I DON'T AT ALL THINK THAT THEY'RE COMPLACENT.

Borg: BUT DO WE SHIP A LOT OF OUR TALENT OUT OF STATE AFTER WE EDUCATE THEM? YOU COME FROM A UNIVERSITY TOWN.

Sly: I THINK THAT'S CLEARLY WHAT WE DO.

Borg: BUT HOW CAN WE TURN THAT AROUND?

Sly: WELL, PART OF IT IS YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO PROVIDE FACILITIES FOR THESE PEOPLE TO EITHER START A BUSINESS, YOU NEED TO PROVIDE COMPANIES FOR THEM TO WORK AT, OR THEY NEED TO LEAVE. I HATE TO SAY IT AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS BRINGING MORE PEOPLE INTO THE STATE BUT WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT A CHANGING ECONOMIC SITUATION WHERE WE MAY END UP WITH A LOT MORE UNEMPLOYED PEOPLE IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS THAN WE WERE BARGAINING ON.

Yepsen: BUT, MR. SLY, WHAT COMES FIRST, THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG? I MEAN HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET PEOPLE -- YOUNG PEOPLE TO STAY IN IOWA WHEN YOU BUSINESSPEOPLE ARE PAYING SUCH POOR WAGES IN THE STATE? THE AVERAGE PER CAPITA WAGE IN THIS STATE IS BELOW THE NATIONAL AVERAGE. NOW, WHAT GIVES HERE?

Sly: WELL, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I MEAN IT DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF BUSINESS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. ONCE AGAIN, MANUFACTURING IS UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE. THE RETAIL MARKET IS THE RETAIL MARKET. THAT'S THE BUSINESS THAT THEY'RE IN. THEY HAVE COSTS THAT THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS EVEN THESE POOR WAGES THAT WE'RE PAYING IN MANUFACTURING, WE CAN'T SUSTAIN. WE JUST CAN'T COMPETE GLOBALLY ON THOSE ISSUES. EITHER WE HAVE TO IMPLEMENT MORE TECHNOLOGY, WHICH IS GOING TO REDUCE THE LABOR COMPONENT SO THAT WE CAN COMPETE ON A GLOBAL SCALE, WHICH MEANS BRINGING PEOPLE IN TO DO THAT JOB, RIGHT, OR WE NEED TO GET THOSE JOBS OUT OF HERE, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHETHER WE TRY IT OR NOT. SO THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TO COME.

Glover: MAYOR KELLEY, LET'S LOOK TO ANOTHER INSTITUTION OF SOCIETY THAT WE DON'T OFTEN THINK OF IN RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ECONOMY OR CHANGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT INSTITUTION, THE CHURCHES. WHAT ROLE DO THE CHURCHES PLAY? THERE'S A LOT OF TALK IN THAT LAST ELECTION THAT CHRISTIANS PLAYED A BIG ROLE IN THAT ELECTION. ARE CHURCHES BEING ACTIVE ENOUGH IN THEIR COMMUNITIES? COULD THEY DO MORE?

Kelley: WHEN I FIRST CAME TO INDIANOLA -- I GREW UP IN IOWA CITY AND I CAME TO INDIANOLA TO GO TO SIMPSON COLLEGE -- AT THAT TIME THERE WERE 15, 16 LARGE DENOMINATION CHURCHES IN INDIANOLA. THE LAST TIME I CHECKED, I THINK THERE ARE 40 OR 41 DIFFERENT DOMINATIONS WITHIN INDIANOLA. SOME OF THEM ARE POCKET-SIZED DOMINATIONS. SOME OF THEM ARE MID-SIZED, AND THEN THERE ARE THE THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE STILL LARGE, MAINSTREAM, TRADITIONAL, YOU KNOW, METHODIST, CATHOLIC, AND SO ON. BECAUSE WE'VE HAD THIS CREATION OF ALL OF THE SMALLER CHURCH SEGMENTS, THEIR INVOLVEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY IS DIFFERENT THAN THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE LUTHERANS OR PRESBYTERIANS WERE THIRTY-FIVE, FORTY YEARS AGO. WHEN I GO TO SPEAK TO THE ECUMENICAL COUNCIL, THERE ARE ONLY FIVE OR SIX THERE. THE OTHERS ARE OUT TAKING CARE OF -- MAKING SURE THAT THEY CAN PERPETUATE THEIR RATHER SMALL CONGREGATIONS. WE KEEP BUILDING CHURCHES BUT THE CHURCHES ARE NOT INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY THE WAY THAT THEY ONCE WERE. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS TO THEIR DETRIMENT. IN A COMMUNITY, THERE ARE ONLY FOUR CONNECTORS. CHURCH IS ONE CONNECTOR. THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS A CONNECTOR. WORK IS A CONNECTOR. IF WE DO NOT HAVE THOSE THINGS, THEN WE BEGIN TO LOSE OUR SENSE OF COMMUNITY IDENTITY. WHEN I STARTED TEACHING IN INDIANOLA, 69 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE IN INDIANOLA HAD KIDS IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. IT IS NOW 28 PERCENT AND THAT'S A NATIONAL AVERAGE.

Yepsen: MR. SLY, WE'VE ONLY GOT A COUPLE MINUTES LEFT. THESE DISCUSSIONS ALWAYS TEND TO GET PRETTY PESSIMISTIC BECAUSE WE'RE FOCUSED ON OUR PROBLEMS. AND I WONDER -- I JUST WANT TO THROW A THEORY AT YOU THAT I HAVE THAT ONE OF THE BRIGHT SPOTS IN IOWA'S FUTURE IS THAT WE CAN BE A PRETTY GOOD PLACE TO HIDE, THAT AS THE REST OF THE WORLD GETS MORE COMPLICATED, AS CITIES GET MORE HECTIC, THAT FOR SOME OF US, LIFE IN IOWA IS SANER, IT HAS A BETTER QUALITY, AND THAT THIS IS GOING TO HAVE AN APPEAL GOING FORWARD THAT IT'S NOT HAD IN THE PAST. AM I OFF BASE?

Sly: NO, I THINK YOU'RE DIRECTLY ON BASE. AND ONCE AGAIN, I THINK IT HELPS US IN OUR COMPETITIVE NATURE. I MEAN THE FACT IS THAT WE CAN LIVE ON, IF YOU WILL, A LOWER ECONOMIC BASE AND HAVE A GREAT QUALITY OF LIFE AND A GREAT STANDARD OF LIVING, AND SO IT MAY SHELTER US A LITTLE BIT FROM THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE PAYING THE KIND OF PRICES FOR HOUSING AND UTILITIES THAT THEY PAY ON THE EAST AND WEST COAST, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO BE -- THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE FIRST ONES HIT WITH THESE COMPETITORS.

Yepsen: MAYOR, IS IOWA GOING TO BE A GOOD PLACE TO HIDE IN THE NEXT TWENTY YEARS?

Kelley: DAVID, I'M THE DIRECTOR OF A GROUP CALLED IOWANS FOR A BETTER FUTURE. YOU CAN'T HAVE A MORE OPTIMISTIC VIEW THAN THAT. WE GO AROUND ALL THE TIME TALKING ABOUT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A BETTER FUTURE. AND I STOOD UP IN A CLASSROOM FOR THIRTY-FIVE YEARS AND TOLD KIDS THEIR FUTURE IS GOING TO BE BETTER, AND I BETTER MAKE GOOD ON MY WORD. AND THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WORKING TO MAKE IOWA A BETTER PLACE.

Glover: YOU CLEARLY ARE AN OPTIMIST ABOUT IOWA'S FUTURE, BECAUSE THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION. WHY? WHAT FORCES LEAD YOU TO BE AN OPTIMIST, OR IS IT JUST A CHARACTER AT PLAY?

Kelley: IT MIGHT BE THAT. IT IS -- IT IS BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN SIT DOWN AT A TABLE -- IF THE FIVE OF US SIT DOWN AT THE TABLE, WE CAN POSITIVELY COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS TO OUR PROBLEMS. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS IN IOWA MORE THAN ANYTHING ANY OTHER PLACE. I'VE BEEN TO OTHER STATES TO GIVE TALKS ON THINGS. IOWANS CAN SIT DOWN AT A TABLE TOGETHER AND WE CAN REASON, AND THAT'S A WONDERFUL THING.

Yepsen: MAYOR KELLEY, WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT THOSE IOWANS WHO DON'T WANT TO SIT DOWN AT THE TABLE. DO YOU SEE THEM -- IN ALL COMMUNITIES, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING OKAY FOR THEMSELVES: LIFE IS GOOD HERE; I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE A THING; I DON'T WANT TO BRING IN DIFFERENT PEOPLE OF COLOR; I DON'T WANT TO BRING IN NEW BUSINESSES.

Kelley: WELL, TO QUOTE BOB DYLAN, "IF YOU CAN'T LEND A HAND, GET OUT OF THE WAY." AND THAT'S -- THAT IS WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW IN THESE COMMUNITIES. THE ONES THAT YOU TALK ABOUT THAT ARE VIBRANT COMMUNITIES, THOSE PEOPLE ARE GETTING OUT OF THE WAY, EITHER THROUGH ATTRITION OR THEY JUST GIVE UP.

Glover: MR. SLY, WE'VE ONLY GOT A MINUTE LEFT. I'D LIKE TO GET THE VIEW FROM YOU ABOUT WHICH DIRECTION YOU THINK THE STATE IS HEADED. ARE YOU OPTIMIST OR ARE YOU A PESSIMIST?

Sly: OH, I'M DEFINITELY AN OPTIMIST AND I HONESTLY BELIEVE OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM AND THE CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE WE CAN HAVE, THE PEOPLE WE HAVE ARE GOING TO ALLOW US TO MAKE THE CHANGES TO FIT AS A VERY VALUABLE MEMBER IN OUR GLOBAL ECONOMY.

Glover: HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING IN IOWA?

Sly: ALL MY LIFE. I STARTED MY FIRST BUSINESS IN COLLEGE WHEN I WAS TWENTY-TWO YEARS OLD.

Glover: IS IT BETTER NOW THAN THEN?

Sly: THE STATE?

Glover: YEAH.

Sly: YEAH, I THINK SO. DEFINITELY.

Glover: IN WHAT WAY?

Sly: THERE'S A LOT MORE SERVICES AND INFRASTRUCTURE THAN WE EVER HAD BEFORE. I MEAN WHEN I STARTED MY COMPANY AT COLLEGE RIGHT IN MY DORM ROOM, I DIDN'T HAVE THE RESEARCH PARK, I DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET THE OUTLET, I DIDN'T HAVE THE BUSINESS SUPPORT AND THE SUPPORT FROM THE IOWA ECONOMIC DEPARTMENT, THE S.B.D.C. THAT IS A LOT BETTER. SO FROM AN ENTREPRENEURIAL CLIMATE, WHERE I COME FROM, IT'S CONSIDERABLY BETTER THAN IT WAS IN 1984.

Borg: THANK YOU FOR YOUR INSIGHTS. I WISH THAT WE COULD CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING TIME TO BE WITH US TODAY. AND THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEKEND'S EDITION OF "IOWA PRESS." WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEKEND, REGULAR AIRTIMES: 7:30 FRIDAY; SUNDAY AT NOON. I HOPE YOU'LL WATCH. I'M DEAN BORG. THANKS FOR JOINING US TODAY.

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